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MilkSuckler
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On February 28 2013 16:46 Aquanim wrote: Yo MilkSuckler, I'm not dead quite yet. Answer the question. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=98#1960 There you go dear  | ||
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MilkSuckler
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On February 28 2013 17:00 Aquanim wrote: This isn't actually an answer to my question. If there weren't any answers I could have given that would have changed your mind why did you ask the question in the first place? Also... I don't really agree with this, and it certainly wasn't clear to me at the time. F'rinstance, I thought at the time that Prom insulting the first player to question him was designed to rile people up more and try to provoke a response, which would have been a good townie tactic. Your case is still assuming that I have completely read the thread and thought hard about all of it, which is already longer than any games I've previously played. I've been busy since the game started and thus haven't had time to think critically about all 25 players. What exactly is scummy about me not realising Prom's gambit wasn't done well until it was specifically pointed out? Do you seriously think the entirety of my filter reflects a scummy player? I know you, and I know how many townies you've tunneled based on a single perceived inconsistency. You're doing it again. Nice work going ad-hominem at the end. I know you, and I know how many townies you've tunneled based on a single perceived inconsistency. You're doing it again. ========= If you recall, I actually liked your filter when JJ called you out, and said he needs to provide more substance. My issue with your play came about during your defense from JJ. I probed you, and your guilt became more and more apparent; no tunneling involved there. Nice try to discredit there, dear :p ========= Lastly, the right answer: was to not be aware of the right answer. ========Stupidity would have set you free. To expound: That you comment on town-motivation with prome; infers you spent time examining the action in question before deriving at your soft-defense conclusion. Our discussions have proved you are aware of what is right, and what is wrong.. I severely doubt you had an epiphany moment mid-game, to give you improved insight into town/scum motivations; so its safe to conclude you were aware of this pre-game. Thus, you analysed the behaviour.. you were aware of what is town motivation.. but you still turned a blind eye and tried to cast doubt on a prome lynch.. I see ZERO town motivation for that action | ||
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MilkSuckler
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On February 28 2013 17:11 The Milkman wrote: I don't understand your point Milk. Aquanim actually supported candidate who was dead set on lynching Promethelax and just because he did not see through Promethelax's intentions says nothing of him - I myself was not convinced... till like I read 15 pages. People can be wrong. Aquanim has been helpful so far, he's been asking questions, prodding people and getting reactions out of them. He has been consequent with his read on ObviousOne. He seems to really care about this case but he's seen that there is not that much of a support for that lynch (now, because we all seem to have stronger reads). His play goes from point A to point B, your questions and his answers prove just that, there is no contradiction. Those were the same pointers I felt when I stood up for aquanim before. I agree people can be wrong.. and I admit i could be wrong.. I really liked aquanim until this "town motivation' issue occured. The problem is: turning that blind eye. In fact, I think Ver's guide has a similar situation when he nailed scum (not that I am using that as a basis for this) ========= My problem in short: Aqua commented on prome with a soft-defense. Why comment 'off-the-cuff'? It does not fit the style of Aquanim, he is a critical thinker; not an impulse man. If town.. I am confident he would have read the the cases, then re-read prome and go.. hold on.. this doesnt make sense.. and then pose his question due to critical thought. Therein lies the problem.. He has proved he can differentiate between town/scum logic for RNG traps... Hence before he voiced his opinion on the matter, he already ran the town/scum rationale and STILL decided town motivation was a possibility This doesn't hold up ----- If scum I believe he seized an opportunity to appear interested in the lynch by casting some doubt, and then demonstrate conviction to town by being actively 'convinced'. | ||
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MilkSuckler
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On February 28 2013 17:18 Aquanim wrote: I had an epiphany (pretty good description actually) that Promethelax wasn't trying to make the RNG gambit succeed. I thought he might have been at that point, and later realised he almost certainly wasn't. You can take that or leave it. And once again that was NOT A DEFENCE OF PROM. That was a "someone please explain this to me further", and Wade obliged. All scum say: after my flip, do a re-read to see where you went wrong - including prome lol Look: I will do a re-read tonight with a fresh head and see if I agree with how I feel right now. Having said that.. I am not a vig, so from that perspective; I am not the one that needs to be convinced of innocence/guilt. | ||
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MilkSuckler
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On February 28 2013 17:21 randombum wrote: I'm with aqua on this one suckler. The heat you are giving him is easily explained by he figured out the inconsistency in prom's play after his original soft-defense. Yeah im starting to see that, which is why Im taking a break and come back later. I agree townies can make mistakes; and I did like his filter before this situation arose. randombum: since you are here and you asked for pointer directions; some ppl asked about jcarlsoniv before. He was another prome defender.. care to share your thoughts on him? | ||
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MilkSuckler
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My new recommendation is to have a good look through the 1 page filter of hassybaby. This guy has shown zero interest in the game responding only if addressed Is super passive aggressive in his limited posts, And is never trying to develop any ideas Lastly this fucker openly campaigned for pardoner... Saying feel free to shoot me *if* I use the role.... Please consider hassybaby as a legitimate vig target. | ||
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MilkSuckler
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Funny u aint on the list? I dont recall your contributions rating any higher than vivax | ||
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On February 28 2013 22:01 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2013 01:32 glurio wrote: OK nothing vivax? Really? On February 28 2013 03:33 glurio wrote: I'm down with putting prom into the pardoner position and offing him and the role with him. On February 28 2013 04:05 glurio wrote: Ok ill change my vote to DrH so VE doesn't get mayor and goes crazy. On February 28 2013 07:25 glurio wrote: Ok I'm here now, where should i place my vote? On February 28 2013 07:35 glurio wrote: Ok i still don't really get it. So we give a stupid, emotional and possible bad player (just quoting) 2 votes D2? Because you can possibly steer him DrH? On February 28 2013 07:45 glurio wrote: So can we consolidate on someone else than VE now? On February 28 2013 08:11 glurio wrote: -snipped quote here- You got toad and prome confused? On February 28 2013 08:33 glurio wrote: I do think it's a good idea to put prom as pardoner, but VE as mayor i didn't like so much. On February 28 2013 08:40 glurio wrote: When from now is the deadline? How many hours? (Can't get the timezoneconverter thing to work right now) On February 28 2013 08:42 glurio wrote: DrH you should switch to yourself. On February 28 2013 19:44 glurio wrote: With that i'll be away buying groceries for a while. On February 27 2013 04:19 glurio wrote: Do you think vayesh is scummier then prome? On February 27 2013 02:22 glurio wrote: Game started at 1 am my time, had to work this morning and it took me nearly 3 hours to read all those pages, that's why it took so long to contribute. I have to go out for a bit, will be here before deadline hopefully. On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote: I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo. Jcarlsoniv do you believe prom and vivax are town? If yes, what makes you believe so? On February 27 2013 04:40 glurio wrote: I found it odd he went so harsh after vayesh because i think vayesh played a good town game so far. Thats why i went after him. Would've gone further in questioning him, if he didn't went afk. On February 28 2013 00:43 glurio wrote: Why would i need to prove to you that i'm town? I believe you alread know. I'll just go on and do some scumhunting, which i am doing right now! So how about answering to my post? It's funny how you start off your case by 1.mentioning things like activity, that actually show I'm town. You should start looking at my meta before you start drawing conclusions based on that, but drawing conclusions is secondary to you, all you're doing is making a puppet case after a bunch of people mentioned me as scumread. 2. Making points that apply mostly to yourself. I know this doesnt help, but fuck that made me LOL | ||
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MilkSuckler
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Context: Day2 - OO caught as SK within 2 hrs Even as a soon-to-be-dead 3rd party; he is actively trying to help town... (This came maybe 4-6 hrs into the cycle) On February 15 2013 01:30 ObviousOne wrote: How about you guys talk about anything but me and anyone who insists on discussing me is obviously not reading the thread. I fully expect to get every single vote today so it will be no information if you pursue your speculation on me. Consider scum hunting as I was advocating before..... Thats townie as fuck regardless of being SK ============== OO, any particular reason you keep requesting time extensions for contributions (bar the Vivax read) | ||
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MilkSuckler
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On February 28 2013 23:25 Vivax wrote: Milkman is probably glurio's scumbuddy, asking some random questions, soft-defending him against me. If glurio flips red you're next. (1) I like milkman... i havnt done a filter dive, but all the things I remember from him give me no inclination to.... (2) Any reason your debating with Glurio and not Toad? Glurio is the one pushing for your lynch next cycle. Toad is the one pushing for you to be vig'd THIS CYCLE. | ||
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MilkSuckler
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On February 28 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another. This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well. Im gonna be frank (which means being disrespectful to Glurio.. *Sorry*) Glurio has played scum before.. NMM36 His play was atrocious.. like one of the worst scum performances in the past 6 to 8 games. This game is a complete contrast. yes, if you compare Glurio to the townier players in the game (e.g Dr.H etc) he falls short... but if you compare Glurio to NMM36 Glurio or even his previous town games (NMM35/37).. (i.e keep it relative) hes prob the towniest player in the game. This is my 4th game with Glurio, and this is the most pro-active I have ever seen him... if you couple this with being in a 25 player game where some personalities are massively dominating, that type of (relative) confidence goes a long way for me. I aint stopping you from pursuing him.. I am just trying to give you some of my heuristics to why I dont consider him a threat. its up to you if u want to check it confirms. ============== As for RO, i reckon thats a decent lead to pursue, and happy to look at whatever you can dig up there. | ||
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MilkSuckler
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On February 28 2013 23:58 Toadesstern wrote: not really reading right now but I just saw that one. Is someone saying I want you vigged? Because I don't. I said (just like hassy) that you're a possible vig-target at best, not a lynch target. I'd say there's at least 2 or 3 people who look way worse than you though, probably even leaning town on you right now. My bad that was me (n just checked ya filter to confirm).. I recall someone making the request recently. musta been RO K mouth keeping shut, im obviously too tired. | ||
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MilkSuckler
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On March 01 2013 00:03 Vivax wrote: Milksuckler said you want me vigged. Dunno, didn't check. See above, was confused.. sorry :S *Peace Out* been a long day; see you at the deadline. | ||
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MilkSuckler
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did you not read the discussion aqua and I had? | ||
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MilkSuckler
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stop being useless.. its a simple question.. did you read it? cos if you did, im surprised you still find him guilty this is the part where you post more than 1 sentence | ||
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On March 01 2013 01:34 The Macho Man wrote: no that conversation does not make me think he is town. all it was was defense no scum hunting that is scummy. Sure. But i dont see what scum hunting you have done. As far as i know.. you have plucked a number out a hat and said.. JJ/Aqua is scum.. theres no development of a read in your filter Yes I dont have to like you to sheep you... but I do have to trust you.. and that currently does not exist | ||
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MilkSuckler
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On March 01 2013 01:39 The Macho Man wrote: that's not what im saying and you don't have to trust me at all. Im either scum or im not hasy and aqua have acted scummy what you think of me is completely irrelevant from my point of view because i know im town so i know im on to something with these two. I have excellent town reads plus i bus all the time as scum so either way you should be winning by going along with me. 1 poor action does not make someone scum... and as you know half this game is separating the bad townie from the scum Like I said before, hassy, I have no problem being taken out - not that I am the gatekeeper. I think Aqua is a poor choice; if anything JJ read was tunneled... im confident of that after the convo with aqua. You do realise, everyone says their town.. including prome. so I couldnt give a rats arse if you "know your town"; Which leads us to: im not going to trust your reads without analysis: something sore lacking from your filter. You do the math. ============ P.S. On March 01 2013 00:15 The Macho Man wrote: i change my mind on jj he is being open with his thoughts and is talking about the game a lot i think he is town now. If we apply your criteria to you.. OK, you are being open with the outcome of your thoughts; and you are talking more. But theres a huge difference in what how you and JJ report your reads. He actually walks through the read; you post the conclusion. Hence, with your rationale, i can not call you a town read.... | ||
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My thoughts actually changed two or three times while I fleshed out my response - hopefully its still coherent. (1) After checking the votes between 60min and Final.. I can see why you think the last few ppl that swapped on you, voted to ensure you were not pardoner. (2) Most of the vets in this game have played self-centric; so I wouldnt hold credence in their words influencing the whole of town (certainly some.. but not all 25 players) For reference of votes: + Show Spoiler + 60min to go VisceraEyes (7): 10min to go VisceraEyes (9): Final Count VisceraEyes (10): Now if this is all purely VCA.. i dont know how you go about ascertaining scum from inactives... I now presume this was the whole point of the post (if so.. apologies, it completely went over my head first read) - i.e. discuss to determine which is scum, which is inactive. (written after writing reads). Most of the below is pretty wishy-washy.. i guess if you didnt realise, most of these ppl haven't been on my agenda this cycle.. If I am around Day2, I will put energy into strengthening my reads. Vivax: Null (from red) - Im actually liking his recent activity.. sure its a touch shallow but i didnt mind it.. subject to change hassybaby: Red - already suggested for vig to check this guy out Macho Man: Null (From red)- I really want to lynch this guy.. hes really rubbing me the wrong way... but im giving him benefit of the doubt for being in two games (and prioritizing the other game over this one).. subject to change Restraining Order: Red - i really dont like this guy from the start.. done nothing since that I can recall vividly randombum: Green (From null)- I dont remember what this guy did most of the game, until he called me out on aquanim.. I liked the way he did it.. I know scum can defend a town read easily.. but i liked his approach (just like milkman) wave: Im stuck with this guy.. i would love to say bad town.. but.. that campaign for pardoner was interesting.. I would need to give this guy a dedicated filter dive to be certain.. will go bad town for time being. | ||
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