EPTIf by some stretch of the imagination you flip town, I will peruse your reads, and "cases", the ones you made last night, as well as the other things in your filter, as I do for any flipped townie, in search of the truth. Of course, all this discussion is just academic since you will flip scum.
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Wade Fell
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If by some stretch of the imagination you flip town, I will peruse your reads, and "cases", the ones you made last night, as well as the other things in your filter, as I do for any flipped townie, in search of the truth. Of course, all this discussion is just academic since you will flip scum. | ||
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Fair enough. you interact with him for a bit, i'll be back. | ||
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I aint letting this lie. On March 04 2013 13:32 geript wrote: 1. Never seen BH do a 1, 2 punch in games with worse players You've never seen me lynch scum? Are you serious, your case against me is that I hunt scum? On March 04 2013 13:32 geript wrote: 2. Seen BH toy with people's emotions before (myself included) to get them fuck shit up in the thread Student Mafia, N2/D3, Me vs Jaybrundage. I pulled the same stunt. On March 04 2013 13:32 geript wrote: 3. No reason townie reason to play nice then take the hard lynch him with fire approach Yes, I want you to communicate rather than... be who you are. And you communicated clearly: you are scum. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:32 geript wrote: Do you even remember what I flipped last time? I don't think we've played together before. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:38 geript wrote: Not here What like IRL? I don't play mafia except on TL and IRL. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:42 geript wrote: I find that answer highly suspect considering a previous one. If you had some sort of definitive meta proof from another site to back up your case, you'd have already posted it. I believe at this point you are yanking our chains, so simply put: show some evidence or I'll go back to ignoring you. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:48 MilkSuckler wrote: Wade pls, step down again for a bit. Your not helping. I had to defend my honor as an englishman and a scholar! On March 04 2013 13:53 MilkSuckler wrote: Lemme guess U loss ya left nut in a bmx accident trying to ride over barbed wire? Since then.. you constantly trying to keep up testosterone levels.. hence the name 'blazing hand"  *Gasp* Johnny... is that you? | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:58 geript wrote: You sure my half brother from a different mother. Answer me straight up, Can you read my mind? You know the answer to this question. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:59 MilkSuckler wrote: Yes.. I am Johnny your left nut you left to rot on that barbed wire... the worst part was the morning when the crows came by  Yeah I know you had to defend urself, but look, you scared him off.. I was finally getting somewhere He seems to still be around. I'm genuinely interested to find out if I know this guy IRL | ||
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On March 04 2013 14:00 MilkSuckler wrote: You and WF keep trolling is doing nothing to convince others of your innocence.. except apparently Aquanim (who jsut might be in knowledge others do not possess) Please reply to the below... yeah ok I'm gonna stop engaging with him then. | ||
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On March 04 2013 14:19 geript wrote: No Moc, that wasn't his answer. You know what my answer is. | ||
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Also JJ you think geript is not who we should lynch today, and you want to lynch vivax-- all of your case on vivax, in fact everything related to him you've said since the start of the day, has been entirely based on night action speculation, rather than behavioural analysis or meta analysis or associative tells. In fact, you've also intimated that vivax may be the SK. Why, aside from night action speculation, do you think Vivax is scum. Also, why do you think geript is town? If you do not explain your reasoning, nobody will go along with your push-- you must make a case. | ||
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On March 04 2013 15:44 JungleJorge wrote: If I can prove to logic that someone is scum or sk why should I bother making a case? If I'm a claimed watcher and saw someone making a kill must I do it too? Anyway just go ahead and lynch geript. I see nothing whatsoever that warrants suspicion on him. When he flips town, maybe you will drop your cocky attitude. I see that RO flipping scum has done nothing to your reading abilities towards my posts. Um, you do understand I'm asking you to make a case, not like paint the sky purple or something like that. Like, you don't have logic, you have night action speculation, and that's not the same thing. If he's really scum you should be able to write a case easily. The fact that RO flipped scum has nothing to do with whether or not you need to write a case. Why do you even play mafia if you don't try to convince people? | ||
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On March 04 2013 19:44 Aquanim wrote: I also can't picture scum geript being, well, angry for this long. He reads as being really tilted to me, and IMO scum would be more resigned given how the game's gone so far. Also, scum's first instinct is to survive and OMGUSing Wade at this point was basically suicide. I understand why you think that-- and in fact, there is a not-entirely-small part of me that agrees with your sentiment here. After all, would scum really keep up such a facade, be so angry, lash out so desperately and helplessly at me in a way that could only hurt himself? It certainly feels like it could be the hissyfit of a hopeless townie, fueled by anger and fear-- and it falls in line with geript's crazed ravings from earlier. However, that small part of me must be silenced, because it is the part of me that is not rational, but rather, attempts to rationalize. It sees anger and emotion and it feels rather than thinks. It imagines itself cornered and hopeless and lashing out at its attackers desperately and self-destructively. It is seductive. It has a logic all its own, doesn't it? It is wrong. Geript is lashing out, yes, and he is doing so in a profoundly unhelpful way-- abandoning his reads for an omgus rather than writing cases on the scumreads he hashed out the previous night. This is probably the perfect act for scum who finds himself utterly cornered, on par with Prom's disappearance or Chezinu's shenannies. Geript has no tools, no day vigilante shot to wave around, and unlike Prom he is the 4th of 5 scum and cannot afford to go quietly into the night. On the other hand, he must plan for the contingency of his defense, whatever it is, failing, and his final teammate attempting to win alone in the darkness. Whatever he does between now and his flip, he cannot give up associative tells, not when there is only one scum left besides himself. So he feigns anger, but he does it carefully-- no additional information or cases given out, just lashing at the two strongest townies remaining in the game. And geript is no ordinary anger-feigner, he is a skilled technician who works with mental patients-- he can feign anger like no other. This seed of doubt in your heart, it isn't based on geript hunting scum, giving out reads, or being useful or townlike in any fashion, even in mindset. A frustrated townie, even as he dies, tries to push his reads. Even when he OMGUSes, he is still OMGUSing for town. Even when he rages, he rages for the town. Geript is clever, but he must not give anything away with fake scumhunting, not when his teammate has to win the game alone. Don't let emotions cloud your logical judgement. | ||
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Now, if I were a town geript, I'd be trying to push my scumreads-- lynching any of them would be preferable to lynching myself. In fact, town geript would be okay with lynching me, or Aqua, or WoS, all of whom he states he has scumreads on. So, when Layabout comes and votes Aquanim, someone who geript has stated quite clearly he has a scumread on, geript does NOT vote for Aquanim. A few hours later, he casts a vote for a different scumread of his, one who does not have any votes, WoS (link). Now, normally I'd think to myself "I guess geript has a stronger scumread on WoS than on Aqua. What a great guy! He's putting his ideal of 'lynch the scummiest scumread' ahead of something like trying to get anyone other than himself lynched". However, geript's votepark on WoS was brief. JJ votes Vivax, and shortly thereafter, despite NOT having vivax as a scumread, (link) and despite EXPLICITLY stating that he reads Vivax as probably town (link) and only possibly third-party, geript votes Vivax, citing associative tell reasons (link). Remember, geript thinks of Vivax as town, possibly third party. That's geript's read. He has scumreads on a guy he's already voted (WoS) and a guy who already has a vote on him (aquanim, been voted by layabout) but isntead votes for someone based on an "Associative case" that he dismissed 72 hours ago when he said the vivax was third-party or town, a guy who he didn't list on his list of scumreads. None of this makes a lick of sense from a town perspective. Associative cases between scum and an SK? Voting for someone who isn't a scumread of yours, and unvoting a scumread of yours to do so? Ignoring a case (and a vote) on one of your top scumreads? None of this lines up at all with how a townie would act given the options available, not a townie who has a third party OR VT read on a guy, not a townie who has the scumreads he researched staying up super late, not sleeping for (link) to hash out, as available targets-- one with a vote on him already. This is a scum player. Geript is scum. lynch him. | ||
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On March 04 2013 20:10 Wade Fell wrote: As a final note, and this must not be ignored: as it became clear his lynch today is unavoidable, geript has stopped trying to lynch his scumreads and is instead doing anything to avoid getting lynched. If we remember, as N2 drew to an end, geript stated (link) his three scumreads were Aqua, WoS, and one of Hassy/RO/DrH with TMM as potential third-party. As D3 dawned and he realized I was truly against him, he decided that I too was scum. Now, if I were a town geript, I'd be trying to push my scumreads-- lynching any of them would be preferable to lynching myself. In fact, town geript would be okay with lynching me, or Aqua, or WoS, all of whom he states he has scumreads on. So, when Layabout comes and votes Aquanim, someone who geript has stated quite clearly he has a scumread on, geript does NOT vote for Aquanim. A few hours later, he casts a vote for a different scumread of his, one who does not have any votes, WoS (link). Now, normally I'd think to myself "I guess geript has a stronger scumread on WoS than on Aqua. What a great guy! He's putting his ideal of 'lynch the scummiest scumread' ahead of something like trying to get anyone other than himself lynched". However, geript's votepark on WoS was brief. JJ votes Vivax, and shortly thereafter, despite NOT having vivax as a scumread, (link) and despite EXPLICITLY stating that he reads Vivax as probably town (link) and only possibly third-party, geript votes Vivax, citing associative tell reasons (link). Remember, geript thinks of Vivax as town, possibly third party. That's geript's read. He has scumreads on a guy he's already voted (WoS) and a guy who already has a vote on him (aquanim, been voted by layabout) but isntead votes for someone based on an "Associative case" that he dismissed 72 hours ago when he said the vivax was third-party or town, a guy who he didn't list on his list of scumreads. None of this makes a lick of sense from a town perspective. Associative cases between scum and an SK? Voting for someone who isn't a scumread of yours, and unvoting a scumread of yours to do so? Ignoring a case (and a vote) on one of your top scumreads? None of this lines up at all with how a townie would act given the options available, not a townie who has a third party OR TOWN read on a guy, not a townie who has the scumreads he researched staying up super late, not sleeping for (link) to hash out, as available targets-- one with a vote on him already. This is a scum player. Geript is scum. lynch him. | ||
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On March 04 2013 20:28 Aquanim wrote: jeez you had to wait until now to make an actual point. That's a problem. To be honest I had his original suspicions of me as a point in his favour since my play has been frankly pretty shitty and everyone else who thought I was scum I have as probably town. The vote for Vivax is actually really really awful though. A scum Geript would know that though... Follow this logic, and all scummy play is townie play. | ||
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On March 04 2013 20:30 Wade Fell wrote: Follow this logic, and all scummy play is townie play. As a further note, "scum geript would know that and if he were really scum he'd avoid playing scummy" is playing into the WTHTD pattern (link). Not all wine goblets are equal, and it takes a LOT more assumptions to say that geript is town in light of this evidence than it does to say he's scum. And a lot of those assumptions you have to make to say that geript is town and not scum don't make a whole lot of sense. | ||
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