This Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia

On February 25 2013 03:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hello everyone!

I feel like Marv and Snarfs made some good points (besides Snarfs' soft town claim). I feel that any rash plays are just going to hurt town and that we should use all of the time available to come to a neat and organized decision, which is most often the right one.

I think getting the two scummiest dudes to duel each other is a good idea but if they are both scum I think they would be reluctant to do so. Any plans revolving around this idea just generally invite a lot of WIFOM, which I would like to stay away from as well.

On February 25 2013 06:00 yamato77 wrote:
Besides, if I'm pushing someone to get lynched, I have zero problem dueling them and proving they are mafia. If you're uncomfortable, as the accuser of a person, with confronting the person you're accusing in a duel, then we are going to have problems.

This way people are directly responsible for their accusations. If you're going to call someone mafia, you should go against him and prove it. Picking two scummy looking players just makes it that much easier for mafia to fake scum hunting. If you hit mafia with the lynch using my method, you have a ton of information to lynch his buddies with.

On February 25 2013 06:46 Hapahauli wrote:

@ Marv


Can you expand on Cora?

On February 25 2013 09:08 Acrofales wrote:
I disagree with Iamp. I have no clue about yamato's meta, but being incredibly dumb about a pro-town policy without proposing a viable, useful, alternative is not a town trait. Yamato's participation in the thread so far has been to try to disrupt Marv's policy. That is not in town's best interest and the whole policy discussion so far has been all the dumber for it.

@Marv: why do you feel Cora is scummy for opposing your policy, yet have said nothing about Yamato?

On February 25 2013 09:29 Dienosore wrote:
Oh snap, early start! Hurray!

I just caught up with the thread. A few things:

- Snarf/Marv's plan to use all of our time to get a majority before dueling seems like the best and most logical path of action. No complaints there.

- Yamato, easy on the trigger amigo. I can see some merit to what you are saying, though. It might be very beneficial for the town to have someone like you who is willing to duel in order to prove alignment, as long as you follow the general town consensus. Could help to keep everyone honest...

...On the other hand, you might be mafia... in which case having you as a baseline enforcer would only result in towny deaths. Until you get cleared somehow, I think we should stick with the plan to just take our time.

- Corazon: I don't know you, therefore I don't not like you! <3 Not sure why marv is putting doubt on you already, but I generally trust him. Is there something about you I should know?

On February 25 2013 10:09 yamato77 wrote:

Only if we're wrong

Huehuehue

On February 25 2013 10:11 Adam4167 wrote:


How so?

Why are you afraid to put your own life on the line, for someone who backs their reads as much as you usually do?

On February 25 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey guys,
Cora is scummy for wanting to lynch rouge players and not actually scum, and in no way linking rouge play to playing like scum.
Marv is also kinda suspicious. He seems too polite and that policy post had pregame written all over it.

On February 25 2013 11:03 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato + Cora
Can you both take a breather and calmly explain who your scumreads are and why? Both of you are at the throat of every person who accuses you, and I can't keep track of it for the life of me.

On February 25 2013 11:11 yamato77 wrote:
I'm bored with you, Cora.

You're probably not mafia anyway.

On February 25 2013 11:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway its pointless to pursue this further on this point, I dont think its a very strong scumtell for marv, but it isnt a towntell. Which makes me suspicous.

Also hapa get in the game, thrawn and marv just beat you to the exact same point.

On February 25 2013 11:43 yamato77 wrote:
Marv, what do you think of Hapa?

On February 25 2013 11:38 Hapahauli wrote:


Naw man. This game is coming way too easily to you right now.

Especially the bolded: not once have you explained why you think those posts (by Snarf and Dieno) are scummy. You just name-drop and move on. You're telling us plenty of what you think, but nothing about why you think so.

Y u so scummy iamp?

On February 25 2013 10:05 iamperfection wrote:

this guy is the scummiest guy in the game so far in my view

says he is excited he is town
then proceeds to do nothing

discuss.

On February 25 2013 11:52 Hapahauli wrote:


Oh come on Marv. I miss shit like that all the time as town and you know it.

On February 25 2013 11:52 Hapahauli wrote:


Oh come on Marv. I miss shit like that all the time as town and you know it.

On February 25 2013 12:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv, what do you see that is different from Dieno in Parallel and Dieno here?

On February 25 2013 16:24 Dienosore wrote:

The connection between Marv and Snarf has me puzzled. I don't know what to make of it. Marv has heat coming in from a few directions, which is understandable considering how he has played so far, but Snarf on the other hand... he started off posting strong, boldly claimed towny, then kind of fell off the planet when people started agreeing with his policies. Seems fishy to just dump out like that after everything started agreeing and the spotlight was moved away.

On February 25 2013 22:32 Acrofales wrote:
He *might* be scum, but it'll take a lot more for me to have anything more than a slight suspicion. The things that stand out:

1. His read on Iamp is a bit weird, because I found Iamp's playstyle fairly consistent throughout the game and the one post that suddenly made him have a town read instead of suspecting Iamp was just a continuation from his former playstyle.

2. His defense of Snarfs, because his "post seemed genuine and excited". I don't think anybody is taking offense to Snarfs first post, which I agree sounded genuine and excited. The problem is that if Snarfs was so excited to play, where is he? I would have expected Hapa to understand that and therefore this defense is strange.

But I don't agree with your point that missing the post by Iamp about Snarfs is scummy. Missing a post is just something that happens.

On November 14 2012 08:39 Hapahauli wrote:
@iamp

##Unvote

From your reactions so far, you're probably town. The "I don't give a fuck" thing has been on full display for the last few hours, and that meta read hasn't been wrong on you yet.

On February 25 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, Oats seems to be playing very different from his scumgame in LIX.

Marv, what do you think of Oats?

On February 25 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well marv your focus on Hapa's filter was his read on Iamp and the fact that he missed a post by him, not the things that Acro pointed out. Acro doesnt think that missing a post is scummy, you ignore it and agree with him on his other points.
Sheep much?

On February 25 2013 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
So if I agree that hapa is scummy, what does that mean about my reads on you and Acro?
And If I think that hapa is town, what does it mean about my reads on you and Acro?

On February 26 2013 00:13 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hey guys, just caught up on reading the last two pages. There are a couple things I want to point out:

1. Zare is always inactive Sundays. He should (hopefully) be joining us today after reading over the thread.

2. @Oats, why did you just attack Iamp for giving town reads when Yamato gave 5-6 of them a couple of pages ago? If you're going to call one person out for a behavior, you need to call everyone out who exhibits that behavior.

3. When I get home from school (in a few hours), I am going to re-read the pages with the whole go around between the TL veterans (basically everyone but the lurkers, me, Adam, Yamato, and Dieno). It's hard to follow because you guys just sit around and call each other scum/town based on each other's metas, which in all honesty is kind of pointless. Metas can change at any point, and players can use their meta from one side or another to conscientiously give others a town read based on their meta. Don't read too much into them (which I'm afraid you guys are doing right now). I'm not saying that all of it has been meta talk, but I've seen way too much meta talk thrown around.

On February 26 2013 00:55 iamperfection wrote:

never seen kier not play before

alderan has done this this before he was scum
you actually replaced him.

On February 26 2013 02:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
I ONLY ask questions as you said, cause I want to see how/what people answer.

On February 26 2013 02:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well the problem I have with your current stuff zare, is that you just summarize stuff



Why is any of this scummy? What scum motivation does sylencia has by doing all this?

On February 26 2013 02:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
what does anyone think about asking hapa to be one of the duelists

On February 26 2013 02:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
i think it's a good idea. if he gets to decide who to duel at the end of the cycle

On February 26 2013 02:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
as town he'd be a good player to pick the main lynch candidate. if he's not town then we can lynch him instead

On February 26 2013 02:47 Keirathi wrote:

Remember, thrawn wasn't on-board witht he "two scummy people duel" idea. He said making all those policies was pointless.

So thrawn, why exactly do you want Hapa to duel? Do you think he is scum, or town? What is your ideal scenario for a duel? A strong townie vs a scum suspect? Or two scum suspects against each other?

On February 25 2013 09:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
I don't think much policy related thought needs to go into dueling. The more arbitrary rules and policies we try to enforce, the more rules and policies scum have available to hide their actions behind. Let the game flow naturally as to counteract unnatural reads brought on by unnatural/arbitrary policies.


lol, clearly this town ain't big enough. that much is already apparent

On February 26 2013 03:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
The main problem I have with Acro's filter is he rarely comes to conclusions about who is scum. In general the longer his posts are, the less they actually say about his reads. He mostly argues with people and he either doesn't come to a conclusion on his read, or calls them town.

and it does seem weird that hapa is his scum read yet he's unwilling/unmotivated to lynch him

On February 26 2013 02:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
what does anyone think about asking hapa to be one of the duelists

On February 26 2013 03:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol so everyone is calling hapa scum but they don't want him as a potential lynch candidate?

On February 25 2013 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:


This a problem? I've never had problems being super-paranoid early days.

On February 26 2013 02:39 Hapahauli wrote:

As for "not making commitments," I think it's pretty normal not to have any solid commitments hours into Day 0.

On March 07 2013 01:03 iamperfection wrote:
would have been interesting if the traitor got saved by the medic

On March 07 2013 01:44 Hapahauli wrote:


Buy one and get your drunk-ass on Skype =P

On March 07 2013 03:19 Hapahauli wrote:


Add me on skype (Screen name = hapahauli), and I'll send you an invite when we kick things off @ 01:00 GMT (+00:00)

On March 07 2013 22:41 zarepath wrote:
Yeah, town did really well. This was my first non-newbie game and it was pretty awesome to see a bunch of non-newbies at work, and it was good to realize how much more I need to learn about finding scum.