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Okay friends, I'm here. I just read through the thread, still digesting, but diving in.
On February 25 2013 22:11 Oatsmaster wrote:I want to duel you so bad. Why are you defending marv? Do you have a town read on him? Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 22:02 Acrofales wrote:
Now I need to figure out whether you're just always this illogical and should just be ignored, or whether you make sense as town and this is a scum move Also calling me bad is not cool, especially now that you basically said I am scum or useless town, which means that you dont need to care about my opinions. This is scummy, because you want to discredit me and have 1 less townie contributing
This is an odd defense because his argument is based on everyone assuming he's town -- if anyone criticizes his play, they must be scummy because they know he's town and want people to stop listening to him?
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Holy thread explosion, Batman.
Sorry, I got super busy yesterday afternoon, then when I got home last night my power was out. Catching up now.
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This is the only thing you saw Zarepath?
Really?
No if anyone criticizes my play BY CALLING ME BAD(heres the important bit) and not calling me scum, they are scummy as a result.
Do you have any scumreads?
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Oats tries to get people talking about Cora and Marv over and over again.
On February 25 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey guys,
Cora is scummy for wanting to lynch rouge players and not actually scum, and in no way linking rouge play to playing like scum.
Marv is also kinda suspicious. He seems too polite and that policy post had pregame written all over it.
This has been addressed pretty well already in the thread -- how is he suspicious for being polite? And I don't understand how a post that seems like it was made pre-game is a scum tell.
On February 25 2013 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote + but I was given advice a while ago that if you go after multiple people, you never make ground on any of them, which means you are really hunting no one. I dont feel comfortable with this statement, cora is basically namedropping here to soft claim town. Thoughts?
Where is Yamato to call out Oats for not declaring Corazon as scum? This is a weak read that he asks others to develop for him.
On February 25 2013 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thrawn I didnt say it wasnt a scumtell, I said it wasnt a strong scumtell.
Anyway stop discussing Marv, its getting nowhere.
Acro do you have any reads?
So he's given up on Marv not because he recognizes his read was faulty, but because it's not going anywhere. In fact, he wants people to quit asking him about it... but he's allowed to ask everybody else stuff. When he's done discussing Marv, who is he interested in now? There's nothing. Oats' filter is filled with short posts and questions that he reflects at people. LOTS of questions to people, few reads, and the reads he's backed off of. What happened to Cora?
Now his biggest pin on Marv is a really elaborate sheep setup argument... I suppose he is sort of sticking to his guns by going after Marv even after telling other people to get off of him.
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On February 26 2013 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
No if anyone criticizes my play BY CALLING ME BAD(heres the important bit) and not calling me scum, they are scummy as a result.
Have you never played with a bad townie? It seems really unlikely to me that calling someone's play bad makes them scummy. Have you read MArv's filter? Right, you have -- you're suspicious about how polite he's been, even though he's called MULTIPLE people bad.
Your soft scumread on Marv the first time around was him being polite; but now calling somebody bad is a scum tell.
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Welcome to scumland Zarepath, at least in my book :D
Am I scummy? Or do you just not like how I play?
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See zarepath, the key distinction between marv calling people bad, and acro's post, is that he insinuates that I am scum, marv does not.
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On February 26 2013 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Welcome to scumland Zarepath, at least in my book :D
Is this a book filled with pages of names and zero arguments?
I'm saying that your reads and arguments have been inconsistent. Reading through the thread, your defense stuck out to me as a very poor one that soft-claimed town as part of its assumption. You make few cases but make a point to be active, and yet this activity is mostly full of "what does X think of this."
So while I haven't called you scum, I've come up with some arguments/evidence... whereas you have called me scum without any at all.
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On February 26 2013 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
See zarepath, the key distinction between marv calling people bad, and acro's post, is that he insinuates that I am scum, marv does not.
The insinuation -- strike that, it was a very clear statement, not an insinuation -- was that you're either scum or bad town. That's not insinuating one way or the other. (Although to be fair, it doesn't leave much encouragement for you if you are town -- are you just supposed to quit posting in response?)
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So what are you calling me?
Null? Town? not scum but not kinda townie either?
The reason I am calling you scum, is that none of the stuff you pointed out is a scumtell.
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EBWOP:
Well currently I think you are scummy, because you havent really adressed any relevent issues in the thread at all, like hapa's weird 180 on Iamp, but choose to focus on me. Why?
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I can see scummy motivations for your posting behavior -- seeding cases but not making them, then telling other people to quit asking you about them; lots of short posts that ask things of others but don't present content or arguments yourself. I can see scum motivation for all of those things.
I'm not calling you anything; I'm looking at your behavior. I don't have to label you in order to talk about you. Feel free to make a case on me instead of just calling me scum.
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On February 26 2013 01:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
EBWOP:
Well currently I think you are scummy, because you havent really adressed any relevent issues in the thread at all, like hapa's weird 180 on Iamp, but choose to focus on me. Why?
This is fair, but a diversion. The only thing I wanted to bring up that didn't seem to have been talked about was your defense, so I alt-T'd it and figured I'd come into the thread with something new instead of just saying "I agree with what's been said."
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I'm keener to hear your non-Oats related thoughts, zare.
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You posted 5 posts.
What.
Nice wishywashy statements saying that you dont want to commit yourself to one course of action, so you can still change your read when people tell you that you are wrong.
On February 26 2013 01:31 zarepath wrote:
seeding cases but not making them, then telling other people to quit asking you about them; lots of short posts that ask things of others but don't present content or arguments yourself. I can see scum motivation for all of those things.
Why is all of this stuff scummy? hmm?
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A separate thing I wanted to say coming into the thread is I really dislike how people are pitting veterans against non-veterans. It's a horrible assumption to frame things that way -- any given veteran is just as likely to be scum as any other player, and it's a step beyond that in horrible logic to only look at interactions based on whether they're veterans or not.
It's true they can interact with a language the rest of us can't as ably (their metas), but that doesn't make them all in league with each other, or suspect of being in league with each other.
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On February 26 2013 01:33 marvellosity wrote:
I'm keener to hear your non-Oats related thoughts, zare.
Fair enough, I'm gathering thoughts
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Yamato's thoughts on Hapa:
Yamato's point that Hapa calls Cora out for "woe is me" is a null point at best, imo. Others (Sylencia) railed on him for it, Hapa encouraged him to play better.
However, Hapa calling out Cora for trying to be a dick to Sylencia does seem a little unnecessary... to be honest, if I were scum, I would be stoking Cora's coals all game, and I can see Hapa's interactions with Cora being somewhat like that.
However, the quote Yamato pulls where he calls out Oats for his two reads (Cora/Mav) seemed like a pretty pro-town response.
I find Thrawn's switch on iamp to be much more interesting and in a much higher need of justification. After Yamato calls him out, Thrawn doesn't continue to pursue iamp but instead switches to Acro, based off of agreeing with someone else. His points about Acro's Hapa/Thrawn dichotomy aren't strong points (as Marv pointed out).
Honestly, far scummier to me than either of these is Sylencia. While it's true our contributions are certainly in the same range right now, I wasn't here at all yesterday, while Sylencia was there right at the beginning and then disappeared. While he was there, all he did was stoke Cora's flames, speculate about a third party (because that's super helpful), and "interact" with Adam by mentioning some setup talk. It's true that others did a good amount of setup and policy talk at the beginning, but they went from there; Sylencia has disappeared and until he reappears, it looks very scummy to me in the face of what he DID contribute.
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You might wanna quote some shit about your top scumread if you want to convince me/the rest of the players.
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He did a good enough job summarizing his filter in a couple sentences. You can look at it yourself, Oats, and make your own decision. That's how we play mafia.
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