EPTI'm having problems with your iamp read myself as I don't agree with it, and I've probably played with iamp most of all. I'm not particularly seeing much right now that I'd expect to see from a scum iamp.
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marvellosity
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I'm having problems with your iamp read myself as I don't agree with it, and I've probably played with iamp most of all. I'm not particularly seeing much right now that I'd expect to see from a scum iamp. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On February 25 2013 16:24 Dienosore wrote: The connection between Marv and Snarf has me puzzled. I don't know what to make of it. Marv has heat coming in from a few directions, which is understandable considering how he has played so far, but Snarf on the other hand... he started off posting strong, boldly claimed towny, then kind of fell off the planet when people started agreeing with his policies. Seems fishy to just dump out like that after everything started agreeing and the spotlight was moved away. You need to explain some of this, Dieno. Why is it 'understandable' based on how I've played so far? What makes you think so? And where is this mysterious marv-Snarfs connection coming from? | ||
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Acrofales
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On February 25 2013 19:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Acro, how is having reads a scumtell? And how is attacking vets a scumtell? Dieno dont sheep Acro, Why is this scummy? You are completely twisting that post. I will quote it for good measure, because you seriously fail at quoting: + Show Spoiler [Acro pressure on Oats] + On February 25 2013 12:13 Acrofales wrote: This is completely contradictory. In LIX Marv didn't step up until later. He was town there. In this game, Marv has not stepped up in the first 4 (or so) hours of the game. Therefore Marv is scummy this game. This makes no sense to me. Oats, your reads so far make no sense. You scum throwing shitty cases around and trying to discredit strong players? My problem here is clearly not with you attacking Marv, it's with you "having reads", which make no sense at all. "Having reads" based on literally nothing (and yes, a reason that is self-contradictory is nothing) is not having reads. At best it's a townie who has no clue what he's doing, at worst it's inventing shit for the sake of looking like you're contributing, and to discredit someone. That's something scum does. Now I need to figure out whether you're just always this illogical and should just be ignored, or whether you make sense as town and this is a scum move. I seem to remember you having some pretty bad cases in CT, but I don't remember them being self-contradictory. Will have to read up. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Why are you defending marv? Do you have a town read on him? On February 25 2013 22:02 Acrofales wrote: Now I need to figure out whether you're just always this illogical and should just be ignored, or whether you make sense as town and this is a scum move Also calling me bad is not cool, especially now that you basically said I am scum or useless town, which means that you dont need to care about my opinions. This is scummy, because you want to discredit me and have 1 less townie contributing | ||
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marvellosity
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Acrofales
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On February 25 2013 20:18 thrawn2112 wrote: hmm I actually agree with you about acro He's been playing something like a peaceable negotiator.. he's entered several conversations but he takes very neutral sounding positions. "Peaceable" meaning not willing to take stances and call people scummy. He's been mostly arguing logic and the scum reads he gives are pretty weak. For example this post: + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2013 12:35 Acrofales wrote: But he's had that attitude all game. Thrawn thought he was scum for it, you think he's town for it. I have no clue, I'd say he's playing pretty similar to the start of CT, where he was town, but I thought he could be scum. He is aggressive and doesn't give a shit. However, the reasons I doubt him are still the same: he gives no reasons, isn't forceful about his reads and has this post: This post is pointless, but a suspicious mind might think why even bother bringing it up? How does Iamp know that good players are likely town, rather than scum? I don't say anything of it is very conclusive, but given that you and thrawn reach different conclusions based on the same meta, one of you must be wrong and getting some more info on why you think the meta makes him town is important. That's a lot of words/thoughts to write without coming to any real conclusions. He's got an inconclusive read on iamp, and says one of hapa or thrawn might have extra information they're using to make differing meta reads on iamp. Since hapa is calling iamp town, thrawn is calling him scum, that means that the only scenarios where that original statement makes sense is either if hapa is mafia and iamp is town, or if thrawn and iamp are both scum. But Acro doesn't mention any of this....... I suspect because he hasn't actually thought through it to realize how silly it is. It doesn't seem like a real read that a townie would have. You are reading way more into this post than I put there. What I am trying to do is figure out Iamp (and if that helps me figure out you and Hapa at the same time, that's awesome). You seem to think that the only conclusion I can draw from one of you being wrong is that one of you (you immediately assume Hapa) is scum. No: the conclusion I would draw is that one of you is wrong. I'm still unsure about Iamp, but for the moment I will trust Hapa's judgement. I looked at GSL 3 and he doesn't have the same brazen aggression he has here. It's worth reconsidering later, but Iamp seems to be more intent on blending as scum. It's possible he has improved his play to look more like his town play in the last 4 months, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. That doesn't mean you, Thrawn, are scum, it just means I don't think your read was right. | ||
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Acrofales
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On February 25 2013 22:11 Oatsmaster wrote: I want to duel you so bad. Why are you defending marv? Do you have a town read on him? Also calling me bad is not cool, especially now that you basically said I am scum or useless town, which means that you dont need to care about my opinions. This is scummy, because you want to discredit me and have 1 less townie contributing Then post something that makes sense. Until then I will treat you as Bill Murray. | ||
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marvellosity
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Oatsmaster
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On February 25 2013 22:12 marvellosity wrote: Pointing out that you're talking drivel isn't defending me, Oats. I dont see why he feels the need to point out that I am talking drivel when you can do it fine yourself. | ||
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Acrofales
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1. His read on Iamp is a bit weird, because I found Iamp's playstyle fairly consistent throughout the game and the one post that suddenly made him have a town read instead of suspecting Iamp was just a continuation from his former playstyle. 2. His defense of Snarfs, because his "post seemed genuine and excited". I don't think anybody is taking offense to Snarfs first post, which I agree sounded genuine and excited. The problem is that if Snarfs was so excited to play, where is he? I would have expected Hapa to understand that and therefore this defense is strange. But I don't agree with your point that missing the post by Iamp about Snarfs is scummy. Missing a post is just something that happens. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On February 25 2013 22:32 Acrofales wrote: He *might* be scum, but it'll take a lot more for me to have anything more than a slight suspicion. The things that stand out: 1. His read on Iamp is a bit weird, because I found Iamp's playstyle fairly consistent throughout the game and the one post that suddenly made him have a town read instead of suspecting Iamp was just a continuation from his former playstyle. 2. His defense of Snarfs, because his "post seemed genuine and excited". I don't think anybody is taking offense to Snarfs first post, which I agree sounded genuine and excited. The problem is that if Snarfs was so excited to play, where is he? I would have expected Hapa to understand that and therefore this defense is strange. But I don't agree with your point that missing the post by Iamp about Snarfs is scummy. Missing a post is just something that happens. ya I agree on both points. The interesting/funny/odd thing is this - in Mario Mafia, Hapa was scum, iamp was town, and Hapa accused iamp of being scum. I pretty much hard-defended iamp, and in any case the end result of the episode was this: On November 14 2012 08:39 Hapahauli wrote: @iamp ##Unvote From your reactions so far, you're probably town. The "I don't give a fuck" thing has been on full display for the last few hours, and that meta read hasn't been wrong on you yet. In other words, it's a very similar mirror. It's actually quite bemusing because it seems almost ludicrous that a scum-Hapa would fall into exactly the same trap again, and yet as you note, iamp's playstyle didn't really change. Like, I can easily grab a couple of quotes from the first page of iamp's filter with the same attitude as Hapa claimed made him change his read. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Or am I just paranoid. No mention of Hapa in the last 2 pages by these gentlemen, Marv sets up a question in order to give a scum read on Hapa that is substantiated by another veteran in a way that is totally unsuspicious and it looks real good. Interesting. | ||
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Acrofales
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Marv, what do you think of Oats? | ||
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marvellosity
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I already said I found Hapa suspicious last night, Oats... and maybe, just maybe, because Acro hadn't really said much about Hapa, I wanted to know where he stood. :OOOOO | ||
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Acrofales
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marvellosity
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On February 25 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote: Okay, Oats seems to be playing very different from his scumgame in LIX. Marv, what do you think of Oats? I agree with your meta observation. I see no reason for Oats to be mafia at the moment. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On February 25 2013 22:42 marvellosity wrote: ya I agree on both points. The interesting/funny/odd thing is this - in Mario Mafia, Hapa was scum, iamp was town, and Hapa accused iamp of being scum. I pretty much hard-defended iamp, and in any case the end result of the episode was this: In other words, it's a very similar mirror. It's actually quite bemusing because it seems almost ludicrous that a scum-Hapa would fall into exactly the same trap again, and yet as you note, iamp's playstyle didn't really change. Like, I can easily grab a couple of quotes from the first page of iamp's filter with the same attitude as Hapa claimed made him change his read. i too was experiencing deja vu all over again. Hapa still ,despite saying he has material, has not added anything original to the thread. I think he has good chance of flipping scum. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On February 25 2013 05:54 Keirathi wrote: Hola gents. Fear the 10 paces, filthy scum. where you at? dont make me start organizing my search parties | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Sheep much? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On February 25 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Well marv your focus on Hapa's filter was his read on Iamp and the fact that he missed a post by him, not the things that Acro pointed out. Acro doesnt think that missing a post is scummy, you ignore it and agree with him on his other points. Sheep much? it wasn't a focus, it was just an example. I said to Hapa last night "I have no reason to think you're town atm" (or words to that effect), and his attitude on iamp, Snarfs is part of that. You should work out whether you agree or disagree with these things about Hapa and why, rather than picking at me for how/when I've done things. | ||
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