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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 25 2013 17:02 GMT
#421
ok zare. I agree with you that Sylencia's posting while he was here was at best pointless. Honestly I was kinda hoping no-one would mention him and we could see how he came back to the thread without any pressure on him ;p

I'm not so sure about thrawn atm, I don't like his unexplained iamp read, although he's been somewhat more active than I expect from a scum-thrawn, although at the moment that's a very weak tell I'm applying (it's borderline)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
February 25 2013 17:03 GMT
#422
Oh, give it a break. Who is YOUR top scumread? How is anybody going to quit lurking and participate if they're only allowed to participate with a full case on their top scumread full of quotes, when you have... nothing but questions?

Look at Sylencia's filter; it's about 4 posts long. Me not quoting it isn't a lack of conviction.

I'm not pushing to duel him; I don't need to convince everyone he's scum. I'm saying the evidence is against him right now, but there's a reason we're waiting the full time period before we duel somebody; we give them a chance to prove themselves against the evidence already there. I'm saying right now he strikes me as the scummiest right now.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
February 25 2013 17:04 GMT
#423
EBWOP: that was @Oats
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 25 2013 17:04 GMT
#424
dw, if I thought it was at me I'd have dickslapped you <3
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 25 2013 17:05 GMT
#425
No we play mafia by making people make their own cases so if they have faulty logic and shit, we can call them out for it, if they make a good case, the one under pressure can respond and we can again, formulate reads from that.

A case doesnt necessarily have to be
1. He is scum cause
A
why
B
why
C
why.

But I would like to see some evidence of the stuff zarepath is talking about, with his own reasoning as to why he thinks that that is scummy.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 25 2013 17:06 GMT
#426
Got sniped.
Why are you not quoting syl?
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 25 2013 17:06 GMT
#427
If you want to see evidence, go look at his filter, like yamato said.

The one guy I basically hero-worship on TL, syllogism, practically never quotes anybody on anything. It's not a necessity to get your point across.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
February 25 2013 17:07 GMT
#428
On February 26 2013 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Got sniped.
Why are you not quoting syl?

Why do you ONLY ask questions?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 25 2013 17:08 GMT
#429
The only thing I don't agree with in Zare's post there is his read on Hapa. I suppose it is a minor point, because his waffle is based on Hapa looking pro-town when I think most people that have seen mafia Hapa know him able to be pro-town.
Writer@WriterYamato
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 25 2013 17:09 GMT
#430
I ONLY ask questions as you said, cause I want to see how/what people answer.
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 25 2013 17:12 GMT
#431
On February 26 2013 02:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
I ONLY ask questions as you said, cause I want to see how/what people answer.


Brief interlude. Spoilered because only marginally relevant. Here were the best/most accurate cases in Fruity mafia. Note the number of quotations (not) used.

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 18 2013 23:51 sandroba wrote:
things I find weird about toad:
-way less engaged than in the previous game, way less posts
-doesn't engage in convos with me/syllo at any point
-doesn't seem glad that we just murdered a scum
-wagon d1 never got traction despite yamato's wagon @ 5 votes
-no mention of him by any of the flipped scum
-me/syllo against zess wagon, yet flipped scum chose it instead of wwm
-focus on marv for most of the game with charts about late switch etc, but never mentions risk who did the same and had an atrocious filter
there is more, but that's it from the top of my head


On February 16 2013 03:13 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 03:10 Zessionar wrote:
i want to lynch vivax, because he's the most annoying person in this game, everything he posts is either just wrong or exagerated. His reads are paranoid, he completely refuses to listen to logic and he's overall disturbing...

but sadly he plays like this as town, therefor we have to carry him around with us until we get shot.
If one thing is 100% sure in this game, it is the fact that scum won't do us the huge favour to kill him...


No, I completely disagree with you. Here's why. As town he pushes his reads. HARD. For good, or for bad. Usually for bad, but hey. Maybe he learnt not to be a madman after LIX, right? But still, he would push his lynch.

In this game he doesn't push his reads. His read is you. He comes in - makes a couple of posts about it, then leaves. He then responds within 5 minutes to me calling him out, even though there's been plenty of other stuff in the thread. He's not trying to get you lynched. If he was town, he would be trying to get you lynched. As mafia, he's happy to call you mafia, and then go away and let the rest of town argue about yamato/Hopeless/whoever


On February 18 2013 02:38 sandroba wrote:
there is plenty of stuff there. Most of his comments if you notice is on clearing up completely irrelevant shit. Only time he felt the need to say someone is scum was when yamato's wagon was building up. Comments on grush's trolling and "still cant belive this is supersoft" look very artificial.
##Unvote
##Vote risk.nuke


On February 18 2013 02:33 syllogism wrote:
I liked risk's posts early on, but since then has turned pretty hostile, which is typical of his mafia play. That "we sure had dumb luck" post after the lynch is exactly what he said as mafia in bureaucracy and even if it wasn't, it's a strange reaction to a mafia lynch. He also seems to imply that no one on the yamato wagon had any non-meta reasons for voting him, which isn't true. Him just accepting Marvel's take on the meta is suspicious as well.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 25 2013 17:13 GMT
#432
Well the problem I have with your current stuff zare, is that you just summarize stuff

On February 26 2013 01:54 zarepath wrote:

Honestly, far scummier to me than either of these is Sylencia. While it's true our contributions are certainly in the same range right now, I wasn't here at all yesterday, while Sylencia was there right at the beginning and then disappeared. While he was there, all he did was stoke Cora's flames, speculate about a third party (because that's super helpful), and "interact" with Adam by mentioning some setup talk. It's true that others did a good amount of setup and policy talk at the beginning, but they went from there; Sylencia has disappeared and until he reappears, it looks very scummy to me in the face of what he DID contribute.



Why is any of this scummy? What scum motivation does sylencia has by doing all this?
No gg, No skill.
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
February 25 2013 17:15 GMT
#433
On February 26 2013 02:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
I ONLY ask questions as you said, cause I want to see how/what people answer.


I noticed this tack in the newbie game we played together where you were Vigi, but I feel as though you made more cases. I hope you use the info you get from people's answers and put them into something substantial later.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 25 2013 17:19 GMT
#434
On February 26 2013 02:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well the problem I have with your current stuff zare, is that you just summarize stuff

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 01:54 zarepath wrote:

Honestly, far scummier to me than either of these is Sylencia. While it's true our contributions are certainly in the same range right now, I wasn't here at all yesterday, while Sylencia was there right at the beginning and then disappeared. While he was there, all he did was stoke Cora's flames, speculate about a third party (because that's super helpful), and "interact" with Adam by mentioning some setup talk. It's true that others did a good amount of setup and policy talk at the beginning, but they went from there; Sylencia has disappeared and until he reappears, it looks very scummy to me in the face of what he DID contribute.



Why is any of this scummy? What scum motivation does sylencia has by doing all this?


why don't you tell us why any of it is townie?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
February 25 2013 17:20 GMT
#435
On February 26 2013 02:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well the problem I have with your current stuff zare, is that you just summarize stuff

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 01:54 zarepath wrote:

Honestly, far scummier to me than either of these is Sylencia. While it's true our contributions are certainly in the same range right now, I wasn't here at all yesterday, while Sylencia was there right at the beginning and then disappeared. While he was there, all he did was stoke Cora's flames, speculate about a third party (because that's super helpful), and "interact" with Adam by mentioning some setup talk. It's true that others did a good amount of setup and policy talk at the beginning, but they went from there; Sylencia has disappeared and until he reappears, it looks very scummy to me in the face of what he DID contribute.



Why is any of this scummy? What scum motivation does sylencia has by doing all this?


- stoke Cora's flames
Cora's temper ruined the town environment for two mafia games in a row. Being aggressive towards him without reason is not pro-town.

- speculate about a third party
Setup speculation when we have zero flips is only speculation, and when the priority of town is to promote discussion of players and analyze reactions/interactions and get reads on individual players, speculating on setup is distracting and unproductive. It gives the appearance of contributing when it does not at all -- the goal of scum.

- setup talk
See above.

- Leave
People have lives and have to go do things. But he didn't say he was leaving, he was there for the beginning and bounced as discussion was becoming more substantial.

I feel like you are just trying to poke at me to get me to talk more, not because you genuinely don't know the answers to your questions. It is pretty easy to see why I thought those actions were scummy, or how those actions in general can be scum-motivated.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 25 2013 17:22 GMT
#436
I dont think its neccesarily townie, but with only a 14-15 hour disappearance, I think its hasty to say that he is scummy cause he was strong in the start and has since not posted anything.
Although, I think that this is weird
On February 25 2013 10:07 Sylencia wrote:


Not mafia != town, could be third party as far as we know.

I never even thought of third party for a minute throughout this game. Did you guys do? Is it a scumtell?
yay more questions zarepath
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 25 2013 17:24 GMT
#437
People have lives and have to go do things. But he didn't say he was leaving, he was there for the beginning and bounced as discussion was becoming more substantial.

This does not mean a THING, townies do it, scum do it.

So zarepth, is me poking at you to talk more alignment indicative? Or im retarded and should learn how to play?
No gg, No skill.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 25 2013 17:27 GMT
#438
what does anyone think about asking hapa to be one of the duelists
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 25 2013 17:29 GMT
#439
On February 26 2013 02:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
what does anyone think about asking hapa to be one of the duelists


what do you think about it?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 25 2013 17:33 GMT
#440
i think it's a good idea. if he gets to decide who to duel at the end of the cycle
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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