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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 25 2013 17:34 GMT
#441
On February 26 2013 02:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
i think it's a good idea. if he gets to decide who to duel at the end of the cycle


why do you think it's a good idea? spit it out.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18441 Posts
February 25 2013 17:38 GMT
#442
On February 26 2013 02:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
i think it's a good idea. if he gets to decide who to duel at the end of the cycle

If you think he's scum, which I presume you do, seeing as you want him to duel, why do you want HIM to pick his dueling partner?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 25 2013 17:38 GMT
#443
as town he'd be a good player to pick the main lynch candidate. if he's not town then we can lynch him instead
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
February 25 2013 17:39 GMT
#444
In class, so I don't have time to catch-up for now. I'll be on later in the afternoon to post reads. I do want to address the ritual bad D1 case on me though.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360&currentpage=18#347

Yamato's case boils down to three points:
1) I'm "parroting" marv regarding policy talk.
2) My line of questioning with Cora
3) I haven't made commitments



1) "Parroting"

Firstly, Yamato just made a blanket statement about my play and made no attempt to justify it.
A lot of his early posting was devoted to arguing with me about the setup, which many people did, but the way he did it bothered me, and it is exemplified in this post. He parroted Marvellosity a lot and generally tried to follow him. Example:


It's impossible to address this since Yamato just said I was "parroting" without pointing to any examples of it. I definitely was involved in the policy-talk early on, but that's because of how important I found the policy-talk to be. Each individual player has a great deal of power this game (with the dueling mechanic), and it is important for people to understand the responsibilities that come along with it.

2) Cora Questioning
He begins a line of questioning with Cora, presumably with a negative attitude toward him. How does he follow up?


This is strictly wrong. At this point I had no strong feelings about Cora one way or the other. In fact my line of questioning was intended to be very patient with Cora to understand where he's coming from. I felt people were irrationally out for blood against an inexperienced guy. That much should be very clear from my line of questioning towards him.

3) I haven't made commitments // Not being "town leader"

Regarding the "town leader" thing, I really only take leadership positions in the town when I'm forced to do so. The last game Yamato and I have played (British Empire Mini, which I think he's drawing reference from), I was a vocal leader because:
a) I was the most experienced player in the lineup
b) I was basically confirmed town
c) no one else in the game was posting at all.

If I feel things are going well discussion wise, I don't always take the reigns of the game. Chrono Trigger Mafia and Hero Mini Mafia (town in both games) are examples of this.

As for "not making commitments," I think it's pretty normal not to have any solid commitments hours into Day 0.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 25 2013 17:40 GMT
#445
i'm assuming that we are going to wait till deadline before someone calls out a duel
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 25 2013 17:43 GMT
#446
On February 26 2013 02:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
as town he'd be a good player to pick the main lynch candidate. if he's not town then we can lynch him instead


thrawn, this is all weak as shit. iamp was your scumread and then you were possibly suspicious of Acro, and now you randomly want to have Hapa call a duel?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 25 2013 17:47 GMT
#447
On February 26 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 02:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
as town he'd be a good player to pick the main lynch candidate. if he's not town then we can lynch him instead


thrawn, this is all weak as shit. iamp was your scumread and then you were possibly suspicious of Acro, and now you randomly want to have Hapa call a duel?

Remember, thrawn wasn't on-board witht he "two scummy people duel" idea. He said making all those policies was pointless.

So thrawn, why exactly do you want Hapa to duel? Do you think he is scum, or town? What is your ideal scenario for a duel? A strong townie vs a scum suspect? Or two scum suspects against each other?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 25 2013 17:47 GMT
#448
Is this the fruits of your 1.5h catching up, kei? ^^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 25 2013 17:48 GMT
#449
On February 26 2013 02:47 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
On February 26 2013 02:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
as town he'd be a good player to pick the main lynch candidate. if he's not town then we can lynch him instead


thrawn, this is all weak as shit. iamp was your scumread and then you were possibly suspicious of Acro, and now you randomly want to have Hapa call a duel?

Remember, thrawn wasn't on-board witht he "two scummy people duel" idea. He said making all those policies was pointless.

So thrawn, why exactly do you want Hapa to duel? Do you think he is scum, or town? What is your ideal scenario for a duel? A strong townie vs a scum suspect? Or two scum suspects against each other?


but yes, i do agree. this is still the worst post in the thread imo:

On February 25 2013 09:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
I don't think much policy related thought needs to go into dueling. The more arbitrary rules and policies we try to enforce, the more rules and policies scum have available to hide their actions behind. Let the game flow naturally as to counteract unnatural reads brought on by unnatural/arbitrary policies.


lol, clearly this town ain't big enough. that much is already apparent




[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 25 2013 17:49 GMT
#450
Thrawn/Hapa duel

Let's make it happen, people.
Writer@WriterYamato
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18441 Posts
February 25 2013 17:52 GMT
#451
On February 26 2013 02:49 yamato77 wrote:
Thrawn/Hapa duel

Let's make it happen, people.

Hapa just addressed your case. I agree with him (I pretty much dismissed your arguments as not indicative of alignment). You seem to still think he's scum. Is this because of the points Marv and I made? Or is it for something else?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18441 Posts
February 25 2013 17:54 GMT
#452
Regarding Thrawn: Iamp has a meta town read on him.

Iamp, mind elaborating on that read?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18441 Posts
February 25 2013 17:57 GMT
#453
On February 25 2013 13:15 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 13:11 Dienosore wrote:
On February 25 2013 12:48 Adam4167 wrote:
You can still change my mind, I am not a tunnel machine. I pull out of shit tunnels all the time, as I did with GoodKarma in Chrono or SacredSystem in a newbie I subbed into with Zarepath months ago.

You are right, we have more than enough time to deliberate, I am making my intentions known now so we can discuss it at depth.

You want to change my mind? Go find scum. I'd like to think Ill know pretty quickly if what you're posting is genuine or piffle.


Good to hear that you are willing to disarm, even if ever so slightly.

Unfortunately, I am not the best scum hunter. I rely on my maps a lot, as you probably know, which usually require days of information and copious cross referencing before the incriminating connections really stand out.

I'll try to whip up something before I go to bed tonight, though.

oh god i love the map



but ill have to wait until morning.


Dieno posted the map, do you still think he's scum?
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 25 2013 17:57 GMT
#454
The scummiest thing about Hapa is the complete lack of aggression in anything he's doing.

What he is doing is also scummy, because it's not hunting scum. I don't even know what it is. I have no idea what his reads are at all.
Writer@WriterYamato
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
February 25 2013 17:58 GMT
#455
On February 26 2013 02:54 Acrofales wrote:
Regarding Thrawn: Iamp has a meta town read on him.

Iamp, mind elaborating on that read?

He doesn't post as scum
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
February 25 2013 17:59 GMT
#456
On February 26 2013 02:57 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 13:15 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 13:11 Dienosore wrote:
On February 25 2013 12:48 Adam4167 wrote:
You can still change my mind, I am not a tunnel machine. I pull out of shit tunnels all the time, as I did with GoodKarma in Chrono or SacredSystem in a newbie I subbed into with Zarepath months ago.

You are right, we have more than enough time to deliberate, I am making my intentions known now so we can discuss it at depth.

You want to change my mind? Go find scum. I'd like to think Ill know pretty quickly if what you're posting is genuine or piffle.


Good to hear that you are willing to disarm, even if ever so slightly.

Unfortunately, I am not the best scum hunter. I rely on my maps a lot, as you probably know, which usually require days of information and copious cross referencing before the incriminating connections really stand out.

I'll try to whip up something before I go to bed tonight, though.

oh god i love the map



but ill have to wait until morning.


Dieno posted the map, do you still think he's scum?

you reading the thread?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18441 Posts
February 25 2013 17:59 GMT
#457
On February 26 2013 00:55 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
there's 5 players by my count who haven't really started playing the game yet. It's an unfortunately high percentage.

snarfs/kei/sylencia/alderan/zare

never seen kier not play before

alderan has done this this before he was scum
you actually replaced him.

Alderan was quite lurky as town in GoT mafia. Inactivity seems a bit different, we'll just have to wait and see.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 25 2013 17:59 GMT
#458
On February 26 2013 02:58 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 02:54 Acrofales wrote:
Regarding Thrawn: Iamp has a meta town read on him.

Iamp, mind elaborating on that read?

He doesn't post as scum

I wouldn't say that his play this game is much of a jump from that. He want from not posting to posting nothing.
Writer@WriterYamato
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18441 Posts
February 25 2013 18:00 GMT
#459
On February 26 2013 02:59 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 02:57 Acrofales wrote:
On February 25 2013 13:15 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 13:11 Dienosore wrote:
On February 25 2013 12:48 Adam4167 wrote:
You can still change my mind, I am not a tunnel machine. I pull out of shit tunnels all the time, as I did with GoodKarma in Chrono or SacredSystem in a newbie I subbed into with Zarepath months ago.

You are right, we have more than enough time to deliberate, I am making my intentions known now so we can discuss it at depth.

You want to change my mind? Go find scum. I'd like to think Ill know pretty quickly if what you're posting is genuine or piffle.


Good to hear that you are willing to disarm, even if ever so slightly.

Unfortunately, I am not the best scum hunter. I rely on my maps a lot, as you probably know, which usually require days of information and copious cross referencing before the incriminating connections really stand out.

I'll try to whip up something before I go to bed tonight, though.

oh god i love the map



but ill have to wait until morning.


Dieno posted the map, do you still think he's scum?

you reading the thread?

You haven't commented on Dieno's map.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
February 25 2013 18:01 GMT
#460
On February 26 2013 03:00 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 02:59 iamperfection wrote:
On February 26 2013 02:57 Acrofales wrote:
On February 25 2013 13:15 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 13:11 Dienosore wrote:
On February 25 2013 12:48 Adam4167 wrote:
You can still change my mind, I am not a tunnel machine. I pull out of shit tunnels all the time, as I did with GoodKarma in Chrono or SacredSystem in a newbie I subbed into with Zarepath months ago.

You are right, we have more than enough time to deliberate, I am making my intentions known now so we can discuss it at depth.

You want to change my mind? Go find scum. I'd like to think Ill know pretty quickly if what you're posting is genuine or piffle.


Good to hear that you are willing to disarm, even if ever so slightly.

Unfortunately, I am not the best scum hunter. I rely on my maps a lot, as you probably know, which usually require days of information and copious cross referencing before the incriminating connections really stand out.

I'll try to whip up something before I go to bed tonight, though.

oh god i love the map



but ill have to wait until morning.


Dieno posted the map, do you still think he's scum?

you reading the thread?

You haven't commented on Dieno's map.

i commented on dino
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
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