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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 25 2013 18:01 GMT
#461
lol so everyone is calling hapa scum but they don't want him as a potential lynch candidate?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18399 Posts
February 25 2013 18:02 GMT
#462
You offhandedly mentioned "he looked a bit better". I was expecting more after you specifically made a comment that you were excited to see his map. Do you think he could fake the map as scum?
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 25 2013 18:03 GMT
#463
On February 26 2013 03:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol so everyone is calling hapa scum but they don't want him as a potential lynch candidate?

Are you reading?
Writer@WriterYamato
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18399 Posts
February 25 2013 18:06 GMT
#464
On February 26 2013 03:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol so everyone is calling hapa scum but they don't want him as a potential lynch candidate?

Thrawn, do you have an opinion on anybody else? In fact, why do you even think Hapa is scum? The statement that you wanted Hapa to duel came out of nowhere and you haven't responded to Marv.

So far, all you've actually said is that I am suspect because of some words you put in my mouth.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 25 2013 18:06 GMT
#465
I will admit, Acro's posting in response to me calling for Hapa to duel is out of place. He disagrees with me, but seemingly still believes Hapa is mafia for his own reasons. It's odd that he feels he needs to cut me off there.
Writer@WriterYamato
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18399 Posts
February 25 2013 18:07 GMT
#466
On February 26 2013 03:06 yamato77 wrote:
I will admit, Acro's posting in response to me calling for Hapa to duel is out of place. He disagrees with me, but seemingly still believes Hapa is mafia for his own reasons. It's odd that he feels he needs to cut me off there.

Why? And why are you not answering my questions?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
February 25 2013 18:07 GMT
#467
On February 26 2013 03:02 Acrofales wrote:
You offhandedly mentioned "he looked a bit better". I was expecting more after you specifically made a comment that you were excited to see his map. Do you think he could fake the map as scum?

excited because it entertains me not that i think it would be a secret to figuring out his alignment. If he is town he will continue to be enthusiastic about the game and trying to catch scum.

as for the fake thing im sure he could. he seem like wily guy.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18399 Posts
February 25 2013 18:08 GMT
#468
For the record, Hapa is still only one in a pool of players I think are probable scum. I haven't upgraded my read since my response to Marv.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 25 2013 18:09 GMT
#469
On February 26 2013 03:07 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 03:06 yamato77 wrote:
I will admit, Acro's posting in response to me calling for Hapa to duel is out of place. He disagrees with me, but seemingly still believes Hapa is mafia for his own reasons. It's odd that he feels he needs to cut me off there.

Why? And why are you not answering my questions?

If you think Hapa is mafia, why do you have a problem with him dueling?

I'm not answering your questions because I don't see the utility in doing so. I laid out my reasons for calling him mafia and his response doesn't really change my mind.
Writer@WriterYamato
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
February 25 2013 18:09 GMT
#470
Don't we learn more by asking who our top read wants to duel? We can be wrong twice by picking two people, but if we're wrong once we can at least learn something about the other person.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 25 2013 18:23 GMT
#471
The main problem I have with Acro's filter is he rarely comes to conclusions about who is scum. In general the longer his posts are, the less they actually say about his reads. He mostly argues with people and he either doesn't come to a conclusion on his read, or calls them town.

and it does seem weird that hapa is his scum read yet he's unwilling/unmotivated to lynch him
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 25 2013 18:29 GMT
#472
On February 25 2013 10:05 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 03:06 Snarfs wrote:
Ahhh yesss!! Finally a game where I'm not mafia! It's been too long. Far too long.

Obvious rule number 1: no one calls for a duel unless we have a majority of the thread agreeing on it.

Obvious rule number 2: we use as much of the day as possible before calling for duels.

Anyone ignoring rules 1 or 2 should be put under extreme scrutiny for acting against town goals.

this guy is the scummiest guy in the game so far in my view

says he is excited he is town
then proceeds to do nothing

discuss.

Lol, it was Sunday, I was out. Gimme a break, I'm catching up now.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18399 Posts
February 25 2013 18:37 GMT
#473
On February 26 2013 03:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
The main problem I have with Acro's filter is he rarely comes to conclusions about who is scum. In general the longer his posts are, the less they actually say about his reads. He mostly argues with people and he either doesn't come to a conclusion on his read, or calls them town.

and it does seem weird that hapa is his scum read yet he's unwilling/unmotivated to lynch him

On February 26 2013 03:08 Acrofales wrote:
For the record, Hapa is still only one in a pool of players I think are probable scum. I haven't upgraded my read since my response to Marv.

I am still in full-on analysis mode. It is also night, and unlike most of the tards here I am hesitant about giving out too many reads at night before we even have a day to go by.

However, if you want my main scumread, it's not Hapa, it's you. Your first post was terrible and your play hasn't improved. I know you are prone to rocky starts (lol mason claim), but it's getting to the point I can no longer ignore it:

1. Iamp scum, no town, no scum! For what?
On February 25 2013 19:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
Yeah I think iamp's scum. I can't feel the townie thought process behind his posts and his explanations are short and dismissive.

You seem to know him quite a bit better than I do. Please explain to me how this is different from when he's town?


His town is similar to this game (i'm not familiar with his scum meta) but in this game, he doesn't really seem to be trying to contribute. He seems uncooperative. Also, I don't like how liberally he's been throwing out town reads, especially when those town reads are backed up by extremely simplistic explanations.



An utter lack of effort has gone into this read. It's a meta case without bothering to actually consider Iamp's meta.

2. The stuff about me: /yawn. Bad reading comprehension isn't a scumtell, but it doesn't help you along.

3. Hapa out of nowhere:
On February 26 2013 02:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
what does anyone think about asking hapa to be one of the duelists

Look who's the flavour of the day? Hapa! Lets lynch him! Why? Errrr.... wait. There's nothing in your filter about that.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 25 2013 18:40 GMT
#474
On February 26 2013 03:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
The main problem I have with Acro's filter is he rarely comes to conclusions about who is scum. In general the longer his posts are, the less they actually say about his reads. He mostly argues with people and he either doesn't come to a conclusion on his read, or calls them town.

and it does seem weird that hapa is his scum read yet he's unwilling/unmotivated to lynch him


the main problem i have with your filter is that you repeatedly call iamp scum yet you appear to have completely dropped the issue without explanation; you keep piling suspicion on to Acro, and yet you want Hapa to call for a duel, apparently drifting along with thread sentiment. Your posts all read as uninvolved and uninvested.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 25 2013 18:41 GMT
#475
and er, yeah. Acro just basically said the same thing, but whatevs.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 25 2013 18:43 GMT
#476
Especially the second post here suggests you only made the suggestion yourself because of what other people have been talking about, and not for any reasons you might have.

On February 26 2013 02:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
what does anyone think about asking hapa to be one of the duelists


On February 26 2013 03:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol so everyone is calling hapa scum but they don't want him as a potential lynch candidate?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 25 2013 18:50 GMT
#477
Oh, and by the way (apologies for multi-post), basically the first and last things hapa said so far in this thread make me suspicious of him:

On February 25 2013 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 04:10 yamato77 wrote:
You're going to have a hard enough time choosing one player you want dead, much less two.


This a problem? I've never had problems being super-paranoid early days.


On February 26 2013 02:39 Hapahauli wrote:

As for "not making commitments," I think it's pretty normal not to have any solid commitments hours into Day 0.


I'm not seeing any of this "super-paranoid" at all.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
February 25 2013 19:03 GMT
#478
That's not the scummiest of inconsistencies, tbh -- it's basically him being wrong about his own performance.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 25 2013 19:12 GMT
#479
It's not about being inconsistent necessarily, it's about Hapa's usual town play, which is accurately described by Hapa in the first quote.

However, in the second quote, you see a different mindset altogether, one of excuses made for the lack of scumhunting he's actually done today. Town Hapa is paranoid, aggressive with his scum reads. This Hapa is not, and is scummier for it.
Writer@WriterYamato
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 25 2013 19:38 GMT
#480
On February 26 2013 03:29 Snarfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 10:05 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 03:06 Snarfs wrote:
Ahhh yesss!! Finally a game where I'm not mafia! It's been too long. Far too long.

Obvious rule number 1: no one calls for a duel unless we have a majority of the thread agreeing on it.

Obvious rule number 2: we use as much of the day as possible before calling for duels.

Anyone ignoring rules 1 or 2 should be put under extreme scrutiny for acting against town goals.

this guy is the scummiest guy in the game so far in my view

says he is excited he is town
then proceeds to do nothing

discuss.

Lol, it was Sunday, I was out. Gimme a break, I'm catching up now.

Update: Up to page 20 now and I would kill Hapa solely based on his reasoning for backing off on iamp. Didn't make any sense (others have said it) because iamp didn't change at all.

Also, I didn't like this line from thrawn:
so Oats, why so scared to attack marv?

It seems like a really weird mindset. Scared to attack... should be more like "pressure" or why would you back off... not "scared to attack" - that seems to be attempting to incite Oats as opposed to get a read on him.
full quote:
On February 25 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
I don't like how quickly Oats backed down on his suspicions of marv. He goes from "kinda suspicious" to

Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 10:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would not say you were very mannered in LIX.

And suddenly marv turns on the SERIOUS MODE.
Its not scummy, its just not alignment indicative as oh good plan = town.

so Oats, why so scared to attack marv?


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