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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 04 2013 19:37 GMT
#2073
Hey Zare, why do you think I'm mafia?

Same shit as day 1 where you pick the town guy and call them anti-town, huh?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 04 2013 19:53 GMT
#2076
On February 26 2013 23:53 zarepath wrote:
During those 12-16 hours, everyone on the western hemisphere was asleep. Do we really want the most important period of mafia to be done while only half of the town is awake, and not even allow the other half a say?

As far as between these two players, I think Adam's ##Duel is the most anti-town thing either of them have done. But I honestly haven't even looked through their filters yet; I just read through the thread, was amazed that this even happened, and went on a rant.

So I'll get back to you on that, but I really don't like what Adam did.


On February 27 2013 01:24 zarepath wrote:
Looking through Keirathi's filter, I don't have a full town read on him, but he doesn't look nearly as scummy as Sylencia or Thrawn, and not as suspicious as Dienosore, and certainly not as counterproductive to town goals as Adam.

The problem is that only Keirathi and Adam are up for lynch, and while I think three other people are more likely to be scum than either of these two, the question now is: Who is scummier? And while most of Adam's scummy traits can also be attributed to the Insane Town persona that is chasing him, he still has far more scummy traits than Keirathi does.

If there weren't nightly scum kills, I would want to no-lynch. This is a bad pairing; the only people who wanted Keirathi in a duel were Adam and Thrawn, and the only people who wanted Adam in a duel were Adam -- and if Adam is town, then scum.


On February 27 2013 12:03 zarepath wrote:
@Thrawn:

It's pretty clear why I didn't vote for Adam -- I explain it right at the end of my post. Because this format works off instant majority and not a time frame, there is no way to unvote out of a majority should something big come up that shakes everything up. I would rather wait for everyone to chime in before I place my actual vote, because if I contribute to an instant majority, I basically let half of town get out of this entire cycle without having to make a stake on anything.

So yes, my vote will be on Adam, but not yet.


I think these quotes tell a different story.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 04 2013 19:55 GMT
#2077
You want the guy who has been doing analysis and list posts if his reads the whole game to spell all of them out in lengthy cases for you, and that's why you're voting for me?

Lol. Scum.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 03:56 GMT
#2121
Let the double lynch happen

I doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 05:58 GMT
#2131
Finally some stuff to argue about where I can prove the difference between Hapa and town.

I will say this in advance, Acro did an excellent job noting exactly how activity IS alignment indicative for Hapa, so you can't just brush that argument away flippantly. His activity is a sign of his involvement with town, which is a very strong tell for Hapa.

Also of note is something Marv said in the obs QT for Dessert; that good mafia players don't do overtly scummy things, and that players like himself and Hapa often bus their teammates/are bussed because of the nature of their town play.

Anyway I'll respond to that refutation of my case tomorrow between classes. I just got off work and wanted to comment.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 06:49 GMT
#2133
What is that post supposed to mean?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 06:55 GMT
#2135
Doesn't that tell you something?

I'm in here arguing over this stuff, and he's off doing god knows what, but hardly ever involved in discussion even when his ass is going to die.

Hm.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 07:15 GMT
#2137
On February 25 2013 10:10 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 10:09 yamato77 wrote:
On February 25 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
right Adam, and it's people like you who will fuck up the game.

Only if we're wrong

Huehuehue


Ah yes. The legends of TL Mafia - Foolishness, syllogism, sandroba, Palmar, Adam, and yamato. My bad


If you vote him now, we can prove Marv wrong about us.

Don't you want to prove Marv wrong?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 07:58 GMT
#2140
I have been thinking about this very problem and I have come up with a list of people we force into duels after this to find the remaining mafia, because everyone else is PROBABLY town at this point. Right now we are at 8 - 2 town to mafia, assuming no third parties and 4 starting mafia. Assuming we NEVER double lynch, and mafia's shot always goes through (as it has been), this is how the game plays out.

Hapa flips town 6 - 2 tomorrow.
Hapa flips mafia 7 -1 tomorrow.

Zare - Alderan should be the duel tomorrow, no questions asked, either way Hapa flips. Hopefully one of them proves to be town, if Hapa is mafia. If he's town, both of them have a good shot at being mafia together, honestly. Regardless, best case scenario is the game is over, all mafia dead. Worst case scenario is 4 - 2 mylo after this, with 5 -1 being the MOST LIKELY scenario, as having zero mafia out of the group of Hapa/Zare/Alderan seems highly unlikely.

Cora - Acro should be after that. If it's MYLO, or there's new analysis from a mafia flip, this might change, but it is how I would play it out today. If two of those three flip town and the other looks really town, it means a player we've been ignoring for a while is likely mafia, so my bet is one of these two, seeing as neither would have been involved in any duels at this point and been under serious pressure. If we're at 5 - 1, the worst case scenario is 3 -1 the following day, and this duel likely gives us a serious look into the alignment of both of these players.

At that point, it would highly depend on who is still alive, and who is not. Hard to call. You and I SHOULD be dead by then. Most likely 3 -1 MYLO is Snarfs/Sylencia/Oats/Cora, IMO, but you never know.At any rate, 3 - 1 MYLO should be a no lynch, easy to enforce by policy lynching anyone who calls for a duel, as it only helps mafia and hurts town. 2 - 1 LYLO is a coinflip, but by then town should have enough info to pick out who is most likely mafia.

4 - 2 MYLO could also be a no lynch, but I feel like 3 - 2 LYLO is easier to lose, and 4 - 2 MYLO is easier to hit mafia than the 3 - 1 / 2 - 1 counterparts, so I would take my chances with Cora/Acro.

Oats/Snarfs both highly green to me, so that is how I made this assumption. Sylencia/You also unlikely to be mafia, but it's a LYLO possibility that one of you might be mafia and used the duel mechanic to clear your name.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 15:28 GMT
#2182
Oats doubtful mafia.

Cora/Alderan/Acro/Zare

Mafia is among you.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 15:31 GMT
#2184
Also;

@Marv

I told you so.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 15:37 GMT
#2190
Alderman/Acro most likely 2 mafia, IMO.

They should duel.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 15:39 GMT
#2194
On March 06 2013 00:36 zarepath wrote:
EBWOP: Also, I thought Acro looked super townie to you yesterday. What changed your mind to put him in the pool of possibilities?

More town than Hapa was my official position, and less likely mafia if Hapa was mafia.

But I doubt Cora is mafia, and I doubt scum would be all-in hard-defending like you yesterday.

Oats/Snarfs/Syl/Adam are high on my town list.

Pick the low-hanging fruit, and you get you four.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 15:53 GMT
#2205
The fact that Oats is still active in the game is proof enough to me that he's not mafia.

Alderan or Acro. Do analysis. Take stances. I'm having trouble making sense of either filter.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 15:53 GMT
#2207
On March 06 2013 00:52 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 00:28 yamato77 wrote:
Oats doubtful mafia.

Cora/Alderan/Acro/Zare

Mafia is among you.


I'll make it easier.

Zare

I'll filter him and give you a case when I get home, but I have fairly strong reasons for pretty much everybody else being town, and fairly strong reasons for Zapa being scum. Combine the two and the conclusion is pretty obvious.

You think Alderan is confirmed town or something?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 06 2013 07:32 GMT
#2226
I have a distinct suspicion that the last mafia is Alderan and his being AFK is why this game isn't conceded yet.

Anyway, we'll see tomorrow. His not posting is now absolutely inexcusable, so yeah, I am frustrated to say the least.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 06 2013 08:05 GMT
#2228
It's still about 2 hours from your hammer and another 4 after that until the night.

When I wake up tomorrow, I honestly want to just see Alderan like insta-dueled by Zare or perhaps Acro. Anything else is wasting time.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 06 2013 20:37 GMT
#2320
I wake up, and there's a concession!

YAY!

GG guys, I had a good time. Will look forward to the future when I don't talk myself out of mafia reads day 1.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 07 2013 07:43 GMT
#2334
marvellosity
02-28-2013
11:53 AM ET (US)
/m85 not in the slightest

edit: although perhaps I'm doing yamato a disservice. But I still really don't think so.

yamato gets crazy convinced someone is mafia all the time.

Now that he was right a couple of times in Nomination, it's made him even more disgustingly certain than normal.

I will say this for yamato - he's learnt how to back off his scumreads. Let's hope he manages to do the same here.
On March 04 2013 16:34 yamato77 wrote:
Think about this possiblity:

Acro is town.

I am town.

I thought Acro was mafia, and was mildly suspicious of him for a while.

You dueled someone out of the fucking blue day 1, cutting off all discussion of anyone but you and Keir, who I initially had right. I thought you were mafia mucking up the thread with an easy, quick duel because it seemed premature, BUT I REALIZED I WAS WRONG, AND LYNCHED MAFIA.

I thought Acro might be mafia again, for some very good reasons. I didn't duel him because of the overwhelmingly NEGATIVE response to this idea. Plus, I really did take my time to consider that Dieno might be mafia, and became relatively convinced after rereading Parallel. Again, I REALIZED I WAS WRONG, AND LYNCHED MAFIA.

Come to today. I think Acro being town is MORE likely because of his push toward Dieno, and the fact that Hapa looks like lazy fucking scum. I REALIZED I WAS WRONG, AND AM GOING TO LYNCH MAFIA.

See a pattern here? When I rethink the situation, things become much more clear. You should take a page from my book and consider the game from a different perspective than Acro = mafia.


I SAW THE LIGHT.
Writer@WriterYamato
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