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@Sylencia: while it's theoretically true that scum might have pulled out, you were simply absent between Snarfs' vote and the lynch. You did not comment on Adam's list post while you were around (list was at 19:00 and you made along post at 23:00). The list was, imho, the main tipping point, with Snarfs being the first to vote after that time. I remember reading the list in the morning, and it immediately made me realize Adam was not scum.
Also, if you simply weren't around, then you never got a chance to change your vote and thus that point is moot. For all we know, the final scum WAS ranting and railing in the scumQT, but you weren't there listening.
You need to spend less time defending yourself: the main point is that you're lurking and were defending Keirathi. Those are points that cannot be defended against as they are currently true. You just have to ignore the naysayers and point to the scum in the thread, show us why they're scum. Why other people's scumreads are wrong and at least show that the limited time you have is put to good use.
Lets start: why do you think Dieno isn't scum?
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On March 01 2013 00:39 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 00:38 Alderan wrote:On March 01 2013 00:19 Acrofales wrote:
I remember reading the list in the morning, and it immediately made me realize Adam was not scum.
So you did what any self respecting townie would do and try to get him lynched too.... You're making yourself look worse and worse bro. Do you understand the difference between not scum and town? Apparently not. Not scum = not scum. Could be 3P or town.
I got this, bro:
On February 28 2013 12:12 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 12:09 Alderan wrote:On February 28 2013 12:06 Acrofales wrote:
Also, there were only 3 people proposing a double lynch and I have no reason to suspect any of them of being scum. I don't know... I think if you, iamp, and Thrawn flipped it would not surprise me if there was one scum. Put up or shut up.
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On March 01 2013 00:45 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 00:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 01 2013 00:38 Alderan wrote:On March 01 2013 00:19 Acrofales wrote:
I remember reading the list in the morning, and it immediately made me realize Adam was not scum.
So you did what any self respecting townie would do and try to get him lynched too.... You're making yourself look worse and worse bro. Do you understand the difference between not scum and town? Apparently not. Not scum = not scum. Could be 3P or town. So this is what happened. Acrofails first thinks both have a good chance of being scum. Acrofails then thinks that one is "not scum" Acrofails then assumes that the person that dueled someone he believed was scum must be a 3rd party, with no evidence. Acrofails then urges everyone to kill them both, when all he would have to do to see if his 3p theory is right is wait until the selection period. TLDR: Acrofails tried to kill someone he knew was not scum, someone who had initiated a duel with Kier who he believed to be scum.
I will say it again: Adam is not town. Now you can disagree with me all you like, but as long as I believe that I want him dead.
At first, I believed there was a good chance he was scum, the list post changed that. However, it didn't make him town, just not-scum. I can think of no reason why Adam, who I have played quite a bit with before, would do that. Adam is a collected and deliberative player, not an impulsive egotistical crazy guy.
Therefore, Adam is not town, and if I were given the opportunity to kill him, I would. I don't trust 3P, because their wincon is not to win with town, but to do something else entirely. Sure, for now Adam allied himself with town, and that's great. But there's no reason to think that will stay that way.
Now tell me, how does me wanting to kill someone I suspect of being 3P make me scum.
Also, AlDERPan, stop calling me Acrofails, it's not funny or productive.
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On March 01 2013 01:02 Alderan wrote:
"This Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia"- Where you can double lynch someone you think is not town day 1 and not be scummy....
I believe that's normally the case
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On March 01 2013 01:06 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 01:02 Acrofales wrote:On March 01 2013 00:45 Alderan wrote:On March 01 2013 00:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 01 2013 00:38 Alderan wrote:On March 01 2013 00:19 Acrofales wrote:
I remember reading the list in the morning, and it immediately made me realize Adam was not scum.
So you did what any self respecting townie would do and try to get him lynched too.... You're making yourself look worse and worse bro. Do you understand the difference between not scum and town? Apparently not. Not scum = not scum. Could be 3P or town. So this is what happened. Acrofails first thinks both have a good chance of being scum. Acrofails then thinks that one is "not scum" Acrofails then assumes that the person that dueled someone he believed was scum must be a 3rd party, with no evidence. Acrofails then urges everyone to kill them both, when all he would have to do to see if his 3p theory is right is wait until the selection period. TLDR: Acrofails tried to kill someone he knew was not scum, someone who had initiated a duel with Kier who he believed to be scum. I will say it again: Adam is not town. Now you can disagree with me all you like, but as long as I believe that I want him dead. At first, I believed there was a good chance he was scum, the list post changed that. However, it didn't make him town, just not-scum. I can think of no reason why Adam, who I have played quite a bit with before, would do that. Adam is a collected and deliberative player, not an impulsive egotistical crazy guy. Therefore, Adam is not town, and if I were given the opportunity to kill him, I would. I don't trust 3P, because their wincon is not to win with town, but to do something else entirely. Sure, for now Adam allied himself with town, and that's great. But there's no reason to think that will stay that way. Now tell me, how does me wanting to kill someone I suspect of being 3P make me scum. Also, AlDERPan, stop calling me Acrofails, it's not funny or productive. I just don't understand taking the meta approach when the far more likely scenario is that he's generic town, not worried about dying and knew he was a good enough player to win against a lurky scum. I don't know in these cases I tend to go with the most obvious choice, I've gotten burned too many times trying to over think it. And Oats you were very vocal about Sylencia discussing 3p and how scummy that was. Where's that train of thought now?
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You say that your explanation is the simplest explanation of the evidence. I say mine is. I say the evidence of Adam going batshit insane is not explained by Adam=town. You think it is. We disagree. So deal with it and stop being a giant douche about it.
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On March 01 2013 01:10 yamato77 wrote:Acro, I think you're mafia. While you had a scum read on Keir, you did absolutely nothing to get him lynched. Your platform this game was not lynching mafia, it was lynching Adam for being 3p. Something was insanely fishy about this from the beginning, like I thought, and I've found it. Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:45 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 10:48 Adam4167 wrote:I will consolidate why I find keriathi scummy, as some people seem to be missing it in my filter. His play is lacking conviction and curiosity. I use this to catch many scum players because it is extremely hard to fake. It is what made my vote on Sandroba so easy in ChronoTrigger mafia, when some of the town seemed undecided. On February 26 2013 11:01 Keirathi wrote:On February 26 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
reads keirathi? No solid reads yet. I'm interested in thrawn, obviously. The town thrawn I know is logical and takes his time to look at all sides of the situation, and I just haven't seen that from him this game. He's just been flying by the seat of his pants (iamp scum, no town, no scum again! Hapa should be a dueler tomorrow!) with little to no reasoning for his "reads". He claims to have no reads, and in the same post, posts about thrawn not playing in line with what he expects from 'town thrawn' - so a read. He doesn't pursue this read with any form of questioning, just leaves it hanging. Then his case on me, and it is a case, he even bolded my name at the top, suggested that I could be acting and how my actions were nefarious. We go back and forth and he ends up arguing that, among other things, I may never have to back up my desire to duel, which is somehow scummy. When this case gets shot down, he starts to back out in a "I never called him scum, don't put words in my mouth" kind of way, which is exactly what I tried in Hero mafia as scum. Since he's gone back to doing nothing. He's produced two reads for the game, neither of which he considers reads, neither of which he calls scum. This case doesn't convince me of Keirathi's scumminess. Partially because you are reading Keirathi's posts rather differently from the way I read them and partially because some of the things you bring up aren't scumtells. I do not trust your judgement with regards to Keirathi at the moment, and with Dieno out of the picture for now, that leaves 0 other people you have seriously commented on. You've given brief town reads on some players, but that is about it. I'm still trying to make up my mind what to do about you. Quite a few people have said that they think that your premature duel could be because you were a triggerhappy townie. Reading your filter again, I can see how they reach that conclusion. However, townies own up to their mistakes. It's clear you realize it was not a good move from a town point of view: On February 26 2013 21:49 Adam4167 wrote:
LOL YEP, that quote looks quite bad.
I really wish I was scum, it'd make post-game far more bearable.
Yet we have, just half an hour earlier: On February 26 2013 21:15 Adam4167 wrote:On February 26 2013 19:23 Acrofales wrote:
Adam: if you're town, you're a selfish douche who is not playing in town's best interest. I will reevaluate you, but I really feel like policy lynching you for playing like this. I will now fight my instincts, because I don't think policy lyncing idiots is a good idea, but that's the way I feel right now. Well, I am town and you can call me whatever names you please, I give not a shit. I cant even promise that this wont happen again if I survive this cycle. <snip> Are you maybe a 3rd party?
Regarding Keirathi, I'm waiting for his promised activity before I proceed on him. His initial reaction to the duel is to pressure Adam. Here he argues against Adam's case on Keirathi and calls it "not convincing". To me, this would immediately imply that he is not apt for lynching Keirathi over Adam, which is an important thing to note in the timeline of events that Acro undertakes this game. His initial stance is to set up his Adam as 3p platform and not talk about Keirathi directly. Not lynch Keir. Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 22:14 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I read through Keir's filter. Here are the three main points I find:
1. He enters the thread with a post that does absolutely nothing beside announce his presence. He is, however, not present, because his next post is > 15 hours later. At the time it got my alarm bells ringing, but unless Keir's scumplay went completely down the shitter since GSL Open, all we can conclude from that is that he made a stupid opening post and then buggered off without ever contributing.
2. His pressure on Thrawn seems quite okay. Then again, Thrawn was pretty easy pickings. What I get from GSL Open is that scum Keirathi makes sensible cases on low-hanging fruits (Risen that game, on D1, in a similar situation to Thrawn here, if I understood what I read correctly). However, he is never around to scumhunt or update his read, so I have no clue whether he is trying to actually figure thrawn out, or just push a target for the sake of pushing.
3. His Adam read is the only really novel thing he has contributed to the thread. This was after Marv and I had both said Adam seemed to be null, leaning town (at the time, don't rip this quote out of context). However, he says that this wasn't a scumread on Adam, just calling him out on something he didn't like and trying to get a discussion going. The main question is: was this just throwing out a test balloon, or was he actively trying to figure out Adam's alignment? We'll never know because the conversation was cut short and Keirathi is too inactive to tell.
As you can see, his inactivity completely prohibits me from drawing any conclusions about what he has done. However, what makes him scum is what he hasn't done.
So far the wishy washy both sides bit where I explain how his inactivity is screwing with my reads. The BEST indicator of scum Keirathi is the inactivity himself. There are 3 players who have played repeatedly with Keir: Iamp, Hapa and Marv.
Keir has played about a billion town games between GSL Open and now. I can imagine it must be really scary to be scum for the first time in ages and playing with 3 players who are very familiar with your playstyle. Intimidated, and maybe short on time, he is simply not posting his reads like he would as a townie.
I will call it the Sandroba defense, because Sandroba did the exact same thing in CT: rather than try to play the game, even when he was at risk of being lynched, he just disappeared out of the game. In that game, I wanted to give Sandroba the benefit of the doubt, because I argued inactivity, in and of itself, is not a scumtell. I was wrong. I learned my mistake. Keirathi signed up for the game, he has played plenty of games to know what is the time commitment required. He is simply not motivated to post. That makes him scum.
Kill it with fire. Kill them both with fire! Vote for the double lynch Here he makes his case on Keirathi, but his conclusion is still not lynch Keir. It's lynch them both. It's mafia mentality, because while this is a semi-bus, he is in effect NOT taking a stance with the"double lynch" outcome, which is a decent one for himself. It both increases Keirathi's chances of survival and makes Acro look better for him to call Keir scum, but refuse to vote him for the reason that Adam is "Third Party" and should die as well. Especially since Adam was the vote leader for most of the day, and I was pushing him as mafia. Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 01:44 Acrofales wrote:On February 28 2013 01:38 zarepath wrote:
Acro, you ARE INSANE. Why do you believe both to be scum??? One of them DUELED the other when somebody else was already WILLING to. Why in the world would scum duel each other day 1?
Double-lynching when one of the people dueled the other of his own volition is idiotic in this game. Anyone who is either not voting or is voting specifically for a double-lynch need to realize that they are relying completely on mafia being utterly retarded and not playing to their win condition in any way.
Oh, dafuq. What is it with you people and your lack of reading comprehensionAdam is an evil 3P who cares jack shit about the wellbeing of this town
Keirathi is evil scum who needs to die Both must die. I will duel the next person who asks for my reads on adam and keir, because I hereby declare a policy lynch on people not reading the thread. Again, as if there was any question about his agenda, he gives it to us here in big and bold. Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 04:26 Acrofales wrote:On February 28 2013 04:22 yamato77 wrote:
Additionally, if you think Keirathi is mafia like you say, you should vote for him, because your reasoning for a double lynch is thin and there's not enough solid proof that I want both dead. I don't care that there's not enough proof for YOU to want them both dead. There's enough proof for ME to want them both dead, and it's my vote. Beating a dead horse, but you get the point. I give him the townie option, lynch scum, but he refuses. It's almost too easy. Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 03:25 Acrofales wrote:On February 28 2013 03:20 zarepath wrote:
Acro, you're not being persuasive of your argument, you're being defensive. If you really want the double-lynch you need to persuade us, not tell people "eh, go read my filter." No I don't. We're cruising for a double lynch. I don't need to persuade anybody at the moment. Inaction is the best action. He's not actively pushing Keir as mafia, he's pushing a double lynch, which he is completely okay with. While 1 for 1 trades favor town, the object of the game is to lynch mafia, not lynch people you think might be third party along with mafia. But does he even really want Keirathi to die, necessarily? No, he doesn't. Amidst me pushing for an actual lynch and getting people to consolidate on Keir, we have Acro still pushing his double lynch theory, even though he supposedly thinks Keir is mafia. Why is this an undesirable outcome in Acro's mind? Isn't lynching mafia the point of the game? This all hinges on his "Adam is third party" thing which is complete bullshit. He has no reason to believe there exists a third party in the game. Look at his reply to Hapa here: Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 20:23 Acrofales wrote:
@Hapa: I agree with some of your reads and disagree with others, when I finish filtering I will decide what that entails. However, for the moment, what is Thrawn the 3P's wincon? You can't just posit that he's a 3P because he wanted multiple people dead, out of the blue. Why does that fit with a survivor wincon? Where is the KP from an SK? You have to explain how that works, because I just don't see it.
You state that me suggesting there's a 3P in Adam is bad play or scummy: what does offputting mean in that sentence?
Yet 5 lines down you are doing it yourself for thrawn. Explain. He argues against Thrawn as 3p, because Hapa has no proof, yet this is the exact way he posited Adam was 3p. He had no proof, and just fit an idea of a POSSIBLE role, that he doesn't even know exists, to push his agenda of a double lynch. Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 12:18 Acrofales wrote:On February 28 2013 12:17 Adam4167 wrote:On February 28 2013 12:16 iamperfection wrote:On February 28 2013 12:15 Adam4167 wrote:
And if I take another scum with me, then Ill happily do it. you will not initiate a duel You do not have a say in the matter of when I do or do not initiate duels I hate town for not killing this guy He seems so utterly convinced of Adam being third party despite there being no proof, or anything beyond ONE impulsive duel of a person that actually did flip mafia. He's stuck with this theory because without it, it's absolutely clear that he was playing in a mafia favored way, with a mafia mentality. So let me ask you this, do you really think Adam is third party? I don't. Plus, talking about town in third person like that is totally a scum slip.
Zzzzzzz. Adam's case WASN'T convincing. Anyway, I didn't NEED convincing, because I already thought Keir was scum for being a completely useless lurker. Why do you think Keirathi's name is big bold and RED in this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 07:57 Acrofales wrote:The Acro might die post Dying N0 would be pretty crappy, but I assume it's a possibility. I'd say we've had quite a productive start. I have managed to get some decent town reads, and some scumspects. The TowniesMarv: Marv seems to be pressuring and scumhunting. I have no reason to suspect him for now. Yamato: I didn't like his early stubbornness, but his reaction under pressure felt townie. He also seems engaged and trying to figure things out. Cora: the little fight with Yamato gave me a town read on him. His aggression and putting himself in the spotlight felt like his play from NMM 37. Dienosore: I liked his response under pressure and he's doing his maps. Basically the same as Marv: no real reason to suspect him just yet. Iamperfection: from what I can figure out he's playing to his town meta. Not entirely satisfied with that play, so slightly more cautious than the top 4, but basically green. Oatsmaster: same as Iamp.
The nullsZarepath: entered the thread a bit late, but had a decent entrance. I don't like the list post, though and there are too few conclusions. Need to see more. Alderan: entered the thread late. Case on Dieno is not enough either way. Snarfs: waiting for that excitement he promised. Adam: doesn't seem to be following his scum meta, but I disagree with his case on Dieno and that's the only real thing he has done this game.
The ScumsThrawn: Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 03:37 Acrofales wrote:On February 26 2013 03:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
The main problem I have with Acro's filter is he rarely comes to conclusions about who is scum. In general the longer his posts are, the less they actually say about his reads. He mostly argues with people and he either doesn't come to a conclusion on his read, or calls them town.
and it does seem weird that hapa is his scum read yet he's unwilling/unmotivated to lynch him On February 26 2013 03:08 Acrofales wrote:
For the record, Hapa is still only one in a pool of players I think are probable scum. I haven't upgraded my read since my response to Marv. I am still in full-on analysis mode. It is also night, and unlike most of the tards here I am hesitant about giving out too many reads at night before we even have a day to go by. However, if you want my main scumread, it's not Hapa, it's you. Your first post was terrible and your play hasn't improved. I know you are prone to rocky starts (lol mason claim), but it's getting to the point I can no longer ignore it: 1. Iamp scum, no town, no scum! For what? On February 25 2013 19:41 thrawn2112 wrote:On February 25 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote:On February 25 2013 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
Yeah I think iamp's scum. I can't feel the townie thought process behind his posts and his explanations are short and dismissive. You seem to know him quite a bit better than I do. Please explain to me how this is different from when he's town? His town is similar to this game (i'm not familiar with his scum meta) but in this game, he doesn't really seem to be trying to contribute. He seems uncooperative. Also, I don't like how liberally he's been throwing out town reads, especially when those town reads are backed up by extremely simplistic explanations. An utter lack of effort has gone into this read. It's a meta case without bothering to actually consider Iamp's meta. 2. The stuff about me: /yawn. Bad reading comprehension isn't a scumtell, but it doesn't help you along. 3. Hapa out of nowhere: On February 26 2013 02:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
what does anyone think about asking hapa to be one of the duelists Look who's the flavour of the day? Hapa! Lets lynch him! Why? Errrr.... wait. There's nothing in your filter about that. In addition, there was no response to this post. It's possible he went afk as a townie, but it came only a few minutes after he asked me a question... Keirathi: Keirathi is a good town player. His play this game is pathetic. Hence he's scum. Hapa: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 22:32 Acrofales wrote:
He *might* be scum, but it'll take a lot more for me to have anything more than a slight suspicion. The things that stand out:
1. His read on Iamp is a bit weird, because I found Iamp's playstyle fairly consistent throughout the game and the one post that suddenly made him have a town read instead of suspecting Iamp was just a continuation from his former playstyle.
2. His defense of Snarfs, because his "post seemed genuine and excited". I don't think anybody is taking offense to Snarfs first post, which I agree sounded genuine and excited. The problem is that if Snarfs was so excited to play, where is he? I would have expected Hapa to understand that and therefore this defense is strange.
But I don't agree with your point that missing the post by Iamp about Snarfs is scummy. Missing a post is just something that happens. Sylencia: lurking. His 4 posts are non-contributions. I agree with Cora's assessment of the difference between this game and NMM 37. However, him being a lurky newbie gives him a slight benefit of the doubt over Keirathi.
After Adam dueled him, Adam shot WAAAYYYY UP in my scumometer and because I know that Adam and Keirathi cannot both be scum, this caused Keir to drop down. Of COURSE I don't mention Keirathi when figuring out Adam, because there was nothing to say. Adam's case being unconvincing says NOTHING about Keirathi and maybe something about Adam.
That's the first part of your case. I haven't even read the rest yet, but I assume it's just as stupid. If I'm still alive tomorrow and need to address it further, I will.
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On March 01 2013 01:21 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 01:20 The Macho Man wrote:On March 01 2013 01:15 yamato77 wrote:
Iamp, read my case.
Then tomorrow we lynch the active scum. I'll duel his ass. i was completly ok with double lynch as well so i dont really see a problem we should only worry about acro at endgame imo. He has shown no scum traits he is active he cares about the lynch that is not scummy and there is no way he should be the candidate tomorrow. I showed you exactly how he doesn't care about the lynch. ...
Oh, I really did. Toward the end there's no way I would have accepted an Adam only lynch. Keirathi only was okay, but I clearly cared enough to incessantly push for my own read, which was kill both a scum AND a third party.
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On March 01 2013 01:25 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 01:23 Acrofales wrote:On March 01 2013 01:21 yamato77 wrote:On March 01 2013 01:20 The Macho Man wrote:On March 01 2013 01:15 yamato77 wrote:
Iamp, read my case.
Then tomorrow we lynch the active scum. I'll duel his ass. i was completly ok with double lynch as well so i dont really see a problem we should only worry about acro at endgame imo. He has shown no scum traits he is active he cares about the lynch that is not scummy and there is no way he should be the candidate tomorrow. I showed you exactly how he doesn't care about the lynch. ... Oh, I really did. Toward the end there's no way I would have accepted an Adam only lynch. Keirathi only was okay, but I clearly cared enough to incessantly push for my own read, which was kill both a scum AND a third party. You specifically tried to stop people from voting Keirathi, I showed it in the fucking case. Now you're straight up lying. Mafia.
Was Adam in any danger of getting lynched? No, it was 6-3 at the time I made that post. I didn't want Keirathi hammered, because I wanted them both dead.
You're an idiot. I'm done and going back to preparing my nightly reads.
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On March 01 2013 01:36 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 01:34 zarepath wrote:
Who are the unreadable newbies you're discussing -- Syl and Dieno? Or are you saying that this whole game is full of unreadable newbies and therefore a waste of time or something? There's some context I'm missing.
@yamato Both of them have meta of looking scummy as town. It's not a good defense, but I am less convinced of either of them than I am of my own fucking scum read that is fucking obvious.
You are so wrong it hurts.
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On March 01 2013 01:48 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 01:41 zarepath wrote:
Honestly, Acro looks way more town for his double-lynch idea than the people who adopted his double-lynch strat -- iamp and Thrawn. Mafia must have started the day thinking they could protect Keirathi, and the least committing switch they could make would be to go to a double-lynch.
And honestly, what looks more scummy -- making a case that somebody is a 3P and therefore we should double-lynch on Day 1, or actually believing and agreeing with it with very little justification? so are either of them scum? iamp and thrawn went from wanting keir dead (at a time when most people wanted adam dead) to wanting both keir + adam dead. acro went from wanting adam dead (at the time most wanted adam dead) to wanting both kier + adam dead (at the time when most people wanted keir dead) and you are saying that acro is most likely town out of that group?
Show me one moment in this game. A single moment anywhere after D1 started where I did NOT want Keir dead.
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On March 01 2013 01:52 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 01:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 01 2013 01:48 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 01 2013 01:41 zarepath wrote:
Honestly, Acro looks way more town for his double-lynch idea than the people who adopted his double-lynch strat -- iamp and Thrawn. Mafia must have started the day thinking they could protect Keirathi, and the least committing switch they could make would be to go to a double-lynch.
And honestly, what looks more scummy -- making a case that somebody is a 3P and therefore we should double-lynch on Day 1, or actually believing and agreeing with it with very little justification? so are either of them scum? iamp and thrawn went from wanting keir dead (at a time when most people wanted adam dead) to wanting both keir + adam dead. acro went from wanting adam dead (at the time most wanted adam dead) to wanting both kier + adam dead (at the time when most people wanted keir dead) and you are saying that acro is most likely town out of that group? Show me one moment in this game. A single moment anywhere after D1 started where I did NOT want Keir dead. I just played against a really good bus, where two scum had each other from day 1 as red reads. Don't act like this is the first time it would have ever happened.
This isn't an argument, it's a baseless accusation inventing bullshit to paint me as scum.
In lalaland the sheep are blue. I have therefore proven that sheep CAN be blue. Sheep MUST be blue.
It's a non-sequitur. Go fish.
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Yeah, thrawn, he had just delurked and been a bit more active. His points on Adam suddenly seemed like they weren't completely ridiculous like I had assumed before. Here's basically my Keirathi timeline:
1. Funky (supremely useless opening post with no follow-up)
2. Scum (dropping in only to pressure someone already being pressured, then buggering off again)
3. Scum (convoluted Adam case)
4. Not looking townie (Adam went nuts)
5. Not looking townie (Keirathi's lunch break)
6. Scum (Keirathi never followed up anything and went MIA)
I even stated it with percentages somewhere. Keirathi didn't look as bad at times 4 or 5, but there was no way he looked like town and I wanted to kill him. At times 4 and 5, I would have preferred an Adam lynch over a Keir, but I still wayyyy preferred a double-lynch.
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This whole scum by elimination thing is really fucking easy this game.
The Townies
Thrawn: was Keir's primary and pretty much only real scumspect. In return wanted Keir dead. I just don't see that happening, regardless of how bad his D1 was.
iamperfection: just look at his filter. It also helps that his reads at night made perfect sense to me. Also, Keir is red and one of Iamp's prime suspects. He wants Keir dead from the very start of the duel.
Yamato: after his pants-on-heads case against me and his stupid arrogant threat to call me out, I read his filter REALLY hoping that he was scum. However, it's just not there. Yes, he's arrogant and tunnely, but he is scumhunting his ass off and calling things as he sees them.
Snarfs: I honestly wasn't expecting to paint Snarfs green, because he had been flying completely under my radar. However, while his filter is short, it's to the point. Everything he says seems like he is actively reading the thread and figuring stuff out. Was on the right side of the Keirathi lynch from the beginning, so more townie points for that.
Oatsmaster: while I am not as strongly on the Oats is town wagon as yesterday, I see nothing in his filter that points me to scum, and I seriously doubt that Oats would take stabs at Marv, if he were scum. In general, he is more annoying than I have seen him be as scum. The problem I have is with his slightly wishy-washy stance on Keirathi/Adam. He was very stand-offish and seemed to be gauging thread response before picking a side.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 19:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Forget the bad decision by adam,
Is Keirathi or Adam scum?
On February 26 2013 20:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok,
I agree that Adam's meta is different from his scum games, and that this was a really stupid, but exciting thing to do, but isnt exactly alignment indicative.
I also agree that him pointing out the meta differences HIMSELF and calling himself townie under not much pressure is scummy.
So Adam is null, leaning town cause I think that this was kinda too obvious to do it as scum, what was the point?
Keirathi.
I havent exactly been enthused about his activity so far, its not really alignment indicative though.
The few posts he has made make a lot of sense, and at this point I dont think he is scum. He pushed thrawn and adam, his comment about adam claiming that he was so townie makes sense and is a thing that I dont really think anyone else picked up on.
Yes I 180ed on Keirathi. Why you ask? Because after a little break, and rereading his filter without being irritated by his disappearance, I like what I see.
On February 27 2013 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im fine with killing both at this point, Adam wants to pick a fight WITH EVERYBODY and cause chaos.
Keirathi has been doing absolutly NOTHING. And I want to kill him for being a bad townie. Yes I dont think he will flip scum, but come on, this kind of play absolutely kills town.
For now I will give him the benefit of the doubt: he was an unsure townie hoping other people's reads would reinforce his own ideas. However, he does claim to want to kill two town reads. The sentiment is understandable at this point, though.
Regardless, I am still leaning town on Oats.
Zarepath: I said most of it yesterday. Despite being mostly on the wrong side of the lynch and having some bad-looking patches in his filter, he seems genuinely interested in figuring the game out. Even though he had a town read on both Adam and Keirathi, he didn't sit still with it and just vote whatever, but tried to figure it out.
Hapa: I had already prepared the whole story about why his vote could be a bus. I was not convinced by the rest of Hapa's play at all. And then he went and made a list post with scum reads agreeing almost 100% with my own. If he is bussing his entire team, I am happy to let him. Hilariously bad play D1, but I can see no harm in lynching down our combined list of scummers.
Adam: rogue 3rd party, but definitely not scum. Listen to him, use him, but do not trust him.
The Scums
Scum is hiding here, but more evidence is required to discern them from the bad-looking townies. In order of scummyness (least to most).
Alderan: Very outspoken and wears his opinions on his sleave. Thinks Adam is probably town, but no opinion on Keirathi until wayyy later. He doesn't even mention Keir except in passing while discussing how townie Adam is.
Is extremely disruptive. Could theoretically be someone like Mocsta, who gets in shouting matches, however for now, seems okay. If Dieno flips town, then this guy has been hard on a town lynch and stand-offish and unwilling on bussing his scumbuddy. Reconsider after Dieno's flip.
Cora: the early impression I got that he was actively trying to figure stuff out is kinda gone. He falls in the group of people who are wishy-washy on the lynch vote. He wants to kill Adam, but thinks both are probably town. However, I really disliked his answer to why he was voting alongside his strongest scumread. If you have a town read on both and a scumread on your fellow voter, why not switch to the other townie (unless he thought Sylencia was bussing)? Now that that other guy has flipped red, it looks pretty bad.
Sylencia: would have been surefire scum, but I can't shake the feeling that he's just lurky town caught on the wrong end of the lynch. He needs to be forced into the spotlight, and I think he'll show red. However, it is very hard to discern his playstyle this game from his play last game, where he was town.
IMPORTANT: Sylencia and Cora are not scum together. There is no way they have set up this double bus, given Sylencia's activity level and the early death of Keirathi.
Dieno: now that I am over my love for cute fluffy players and maps with squiggly lines, it is clear that Dieno has not contributed anything this game. In both CT and PU he had reads. They may not have made the greatest amount of sense, but they were clear reads. This game? Nah, most wishy washy stuff ever. Kill him tomorrow.
Proposed duel: Sylencia vs. Dieno
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A duel between me and Yamato will be nominated for dumbest lynch post-game. Believe that.
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On March 01 2013 03:56 yamato77 wrote:
If people don't want me to duel Acro, they need to respond to my case in full.
Mind stopping the tunnel for a second and looking at other people? You had a scumread on Hapa, what happened to it?
What do you think of the lurkers and Cora?
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Eh, I wanted them out there and a bit of discussion before dawn. I am actually afraid of dying.
I have a proposal: I will duel Dieno. I prefer a Dieno-Sylencia duel, but given Yamato's position, I am very afraid of the duel between me and one of my stronger town reads. It would be mindnumbingly stupid and waste a day on what is almost guaranteed to be a mislynch.
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Oh, I thought the deadline was in 10 minutes. It's in an hour and 10 minutes. My mistake.
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On March 01 2013 04:39 zarepath wrote:
Before you go off and do that, I really want to see Sylencia and Dieno's thoughts about dueling each other. Surely one of them think the other is scummy, right?
Sylencia is sleeping and if I understood Dieno right, he is also afk. If Yamato really intends to duel me at the start of the day, the only chance I can think of to not waste this day in a retarded derpfest is by being the fastest gun in the west.
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On March 01 2013 04:45 Alderan wrote:
If Acro rush duels Dieno we kill him. Agreed?
So you prefer a Yamato-Acro duel over an Acro-Dieno duel?
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I will happily lay off if I can reach an agreement with Yamato. I just want to prevent the YAMATO-Acro duel. I don't want to be stuck dueling a strong townread.
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