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On February 12 2013 04:30 jcarlsoniv wrote: Sigh... /in No idea how pick your power shit works, but I guess I need to find out eventually <3 | ||
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Instant majority seems the easy way out. We just treat it like a normal lynch and enforce a policy that no one is allowed to hammer until we are ready. | ||
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On February 13 2013 09:09 Blazinghand wrote: I guess it depends of mayor is "decides the D2 lynch" or mayor is "decides the D2 lynch, and gets some additional powers and 1-2 bodyguards"-- I assume it's the former, in which case there's not a huge advantage to going mayor over instant majority, which increases the pressure on scum. No reason to give all the power to a single person and eliminate any voting connections we can use, when the alternative is essentially a normal lynch. Also, ##Vote: Sylencia | ||
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We can also use our knowledge of the roles that we picked for another player to our advantage. If we find someone using their role in a sub optimal anti-town way, we can just claim who we picked for and make them pay. Also, look how scummy that Sylencia guy is! Lets vote for him. | ||
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I was also planning to ask this. From my perspective, I wouldn't want the player that I created a role for to know my identity, since it allows them to openly perform a fake claim the moment I die. A fake claim is a huge risk if you don't know if your role creator is still alive. I'm also kinda weary that BH is potentially trying to buddy up to me from my previous post and is posting opinions that are absolute, but he appears to be the only other person actually trying to generate relevant discussion so I'm willing to give him a pass. | ||
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On February 13 2013 12:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Also, BH is town, because as scum, there is no point to put yourself under the spotlight this early when you can use that post later in a larger analysis. On February 13 2013 14:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Keirathi, why are you so confrontational this game? Are you scum? These two posts seem to use the same reasoning to come to opposite conclusions. You're essentially saying BH is town since he is attacking you about the mayor post, yet Keirathi is scum for starting up conflict. This reminds me of chrono trigger mafia where risk.nuke used the same argument about Cave to call me scum and another player town. Are you saying Keirathi usually doesn't play this way as town or what am I missing? On February 13 2013 21:18 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah but Scum Marv tries to win, like he would try to look really townie and probably succeed. Lurky marv probably has IRL issues. But yeah, I dont really think he is scum at this point. I will rethink this read at lylo probably. You wouldn't consider lynching marv until lylo? o.O Vets shouldn't get special treatment. If he continues to be afk, he certainly isn't getting a free pass. | ||
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Generally with my random votes, I just pick the newest player or player I don't recognize to see how they respond and have them start posting. 90% of the time they respond along the lines of "why are you voting for me." and I eventually move on when I find someone else. In this case, I really would like to see a couple more votes on Sylencia. By voting for me in response to my random vote, it shows that he is reading the thread, but only responding to an issue that affects him. He has yet to comment on a relevant issue or shows that he cares about coming up with a plan to benefit town. It may be a lurker vote, but I think we should at least give him some motivation to post and move off tomorrow if we're satisfied and find a better target. Kurumi, in response to your question about marv, I said that he shouldn't get special treatment for being absent just because he is a vet. There isn't anything in particular about his posting that I've picked up on yet since his return to the thread. Oats, what kind of response were you hoping to get from Kierathi that would lead you to a town or scum conclusion, based on your earlier post? | ||
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On February 14 2013 08:48 Dandel Ion wrote: But that's not a random vote, then. I randomize until I get an outcome that I like. ...You almost tricked me into posting a one liner! For shame sir. | ||
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What exactly don't you understand? Is there anyone that you are suspicious of yet? | ||
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On February 13 2013 09:51 Stutters695 wrote: Seriously though with all of these game-types lurking is going to be a huge problem, I wouldn't be adverse to popping a lurker before we hit crazy mechanics unless someone is screaming scum. The thing about stutters is that he even acknowledges the harm of a lurker, yet 36 hours into the game has yet to make a real post -_- I'll try to check in during lunch to make my decision for today's lunch. Wish more people would actually start posting so we would have something to actually go by. | ||
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The toughest part for me is that I have no access to TL during the 9 hours of the day at work, so I'm limited to posting at certain times of the day and last night things were really slow. I have about 20 minutes left on my lunch break so hopefully I'll be able to decide by then. | ||
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On February 13 2013 10:14 Sylencia wrote: Guys I swear I don't know the man, if he's calling me scummy, he must be scum! ##Vote: kitaman27 On February 14 2013 15:01 Sylencia wrote: Kurumi, since you're voting for me right now, can I ask you to let me perhaps share with you the fact I'm innocent tonight? There really isn't much to go by with him, but so far Sylencia has only responded to people who have placed a vote on him, indicating that his prime concern is survival. He hasn't made any posts that show he cares about town or hasn't come up with any sort of plan that could benefit us. Even his comment about the PYP is a one liner that doesn't show very strong resolve. On February 14 2013 09:48 Sylencia wrote: Mainly because I don't understand what is even happening in this game O_O He also shows a lack of confidence or aggressiveness, which is generally a mafia trait. Even if he is overwhelmed by the setup, there are still plenty of player interactions to comment on. When I asked him if he had any suspicions, he said no and promised to catch up, but never did so. If this was his first game, maybe I'd understand, but looking through his old games, he has like 4-5 under his belt. By now he should be able to know what kind of things to look for and comment without being prompted. For now, I'll keep my vote on Sylencia. Unfortunately, I have to head out yet. Hopefully by the time I get home I'll have time to look at the rest of the candidates. | ||
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On February 15 2013 03:03 Dandel Ion wrote: @Kita: If your read is "newbie lurker", but you want to lynch him for that,does that mean you have no scumreads at all? That should have read "mafia newbie lurker". It's 40 minutes from the deadline and Sylencia still has his vote on myself. It would be one thing if he explained why he thought I was mafia, but from what I can tell he doesn't. He has shown no interest in hunting mafia today and out of the group of lurkers, I think he has the highest chance of flipping scum. I'd be stutters lynch, simply because he has a valid excuse for one cycle. Hassy is tougher, but I don't feel confortable voting for someone who is null, solely for the fact that we need to lynch someone. iamimp I have down in my notes as leaning town, but I can't actually remember why I wrote that down for him. He seems to be freely giving out alignment opinions early in the game, which is a plus, but his lynch choice on stutters was pretty weak. I wouldn't put him in my top two though today and would prefer if we didn't lynch him right now. oats would be my backup if I can't convince the majority to switch onto sylencia in the next 30 minutes (go do so now). The thing that caught my attention from him was his weird post with Keirathi. He seemed to infer that he thought Keirathi was scum based on his question, but when I pointed out the contradiction in his logic, he backed off the issue. If he truly was just poking at Keirathi like he claims, I'm not sure what answer he was expecting to get that would point to a town/scum alignment. He has swapped his vote three times to the flavor of the hour, but shows little interest in actually pushing his target. As I said, I'm more confident of the chance that Sylencia will flip scum, but I have a moderate scum read on oats and would be willing to lynch him as well. We really should consolidate our votes though. With a day one no-lynch, we essentially end up in the same place tomorrow, expect with the mafia night kills resolved. We might pull off an investigative check to help with the lynch, but a no lynch essentially shortens the game by one cycle and we shouldn't throw away our chance of generating information from the lynch vote today. | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:39 Sylencia wrote: Kita: I am going to change my vote, there's no point keeping it on you - seeing as how the vote wasn't even a serious one in the first place, I'm just reading through the last 3 pages again to understand where the main frontrunners are getting their votes from. Doesn't it make more sense to come up with your own reasoning for why a player is scum, rather than jump on someone else's bandwagon? How are we supposed to have any idea if you are town if you don't give us anything in return? | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:40 austinmcc wrote: kita, why leave the sylencia/kurumi stuff out of your read? I didn't really come to any conclusions from it, other than the fact that sylencia found it important to respond to a player that was voting for him. Did you get something out of the exchange? | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:49 austinmcc wrote: I find it odd that you seem focused on sylencia as a scumread, but didn't mention or draw anything from what has been the only sylencia-centric exchange in the thread, imo. Especially given that, if we can trust kurumi, there's some way in which they can check each other, meaning that sylencia may be a bad lynch at this time because we'll be certain/certainish about his alignment later. I only noticed the Barrack Obama claim. I didn't catch kurumi's later post about the alignment confirming, though I'm still not quite sure I understand what he's saying. Swapping to oats as he is my secondary preference and I want a lynch this cycle. | ||
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On February 15 2013 09:03 Dandel Ion wrote: It's actually statistically more likely town has the vote-altering roles, I say. Ya, but I'm less worried about a townie forcing a nolynch. | ||
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On February 15 2013 09:09 Crossfire99 wrote: Brilliant point. His role creator has a lot to explain why he didn't stop this. Well I really gtg so bye. I was thinking the same thing. Wouldn't the role creator bring that up as town if he knew BH was going to get killed too? I think his role creator should claim and if he doesn't claim we assume he is scum. | ||
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I tried to consider what I would have done with the role if I were in kurumi's place. What I would have done would be to choose the scummiest player in the thread. The reason for this is that the role is essentially a compulsive vigilante if you choose to shoot and the other player doesn't shoot, which would be really powerful. I didn't think it made much sense for a town kurumi to choose me. We voted together, following up on my earlier suspicions of sylencia and he never shared any suspicions of me in the thread. If he wasn't trying to kill me, why would you use a vig/information role on a player that you trust? This is the post in particular that spooked me the most: On February 15 2013 07:03 Kurumi wrote: I'm keeping my vote on Sylencia - he is thinking I will risk my life to confirm him as "town", never answered why he felt overwhelemed, actively lurked and still refuses to play. Also, he is the creator of my role and tried to convince me into a situation where I could die >_> I thought kurumi was focusing way too much on not wanting to risk his own life for town. It seems to me that the most logical choice would have been to use the role on Sylencia and either shoot him or force him to alignment claim. I couldn't make sense of why he wouldn't go after his number one scum read with a detective vig role. In retrospect, I should have just shared/passed to guarantee that we have a town player elected, but it looks like I goofed. On February 16 2013 09:20 iamperfection wrote: Unless he thought krumi was going to kill him..... No offense to kurumi, but a 1:1 trade with him as scum would be pretty pointless. If I were scum, I could have just selected pass, which would be essentially no risk for me, and I would receive kurumi's alignment. On February 16 2013 12:12 Sylencia wrote: Kill kita, Kurumi's first post clearly states he wasn't going to kill. (I was the one who created Kurumi's role, hence why I wanted him to check me) On February 13 2013 09:55 Kurumi wrote: I would like to welcome everyone to this great game. I hope we shall have fun together and be able to talk about this game in the future while sipping some good beer. As for obvious obviousnessess, it seems the poison is only for Day 1... Secret ballot is not something I'd root for. We should think if the Poison penalty will haunt this game or not. If it indeed does, my dear colleagues I think we could go for either of the remaining two. Both give us a list which we can analyse - isn't that great? On the topic of lists, I am going to make one just now: Tit for tat Friendship Love 100 1000 10000 I shall not kill, because that is not my job. I hope you, my dear friends will refrain from doing so. I love my tea. Not drinking it would be horrible. Someone up for some tea? I think we'd have great time together, every one of you is such a great company! Also, I dislike loud people. Dandel Ion, could you turn your volume down, pretty please? Merci. You've got to be crazy if you think that I would be able to pick up a breadcrumb from his first post in the game without knowledge of his role. You created his role so you would be able to notice something that anyone else wouldn't. Also, I'll be running for election today. I propose that if I'm elected, I will share the options in the thread with everyone and we come to a consensus for the best option. I promise to be 100% transparent if chosen. Now that its the weekend I'll have a lot more time for reading the thread and posting. I'll come up with my lynch preferences tomorrow since that should be the priority over the election. We're in a tough spot, but as long as we stay active we have a chance of turning things around. | ||
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On February 16 2013 12:36 Dandel Ion wrote: All my wat. Why the fuck you even arguing that you would want to know his alignment if you were scum? Cuz you'd generally ALREADY KNOW IT. like what the actual fuck Huh? I'm saying if I were scum, I could have picked pass, and not given up my alignment nor have to worry about the spotlight of a kill. It would be a no risk scenario and receiving kuruimi's alignment would be the result. I'm saying the benefit would be not risk, not kurumi's useless alignment information. | ||
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On February 16 2013 13:57 Sylencia wrote: You were given information about your choices, and the consequences of each one. Given the nature of the game - it's likely that Kurumi would've breadcrumbed something during Day 1 and yet you somehow didn't read the clear line that says "I shall not kill"? That's not even a cryptic clue - it's as clear as day. Kurumi's first three posts were full of nonsense spam. I never made the connection and that's the truth. Show of hands, besides sylencia, who here picked up on that? Going back to yesterday before the lynch you posted the following: On February 15 2013 08:39 Sylencia wrote: Kita: I am going to change my vote, there's no point keeping it on you - seeing as how the vote wasn't even a serious one in the first place The only thing that has changed since then is my decision to choose shoot. It would be one thing if you were trying to argue that the decision in itself to shoot kurumi is scummy, but instead you're arguing that I'm scum by overstating how apparent a breadcrumb was? You were quick to jump on oats without providing a single reasoning and now you're trying to capitalize on my mistake by trying to make it look like I purposely ignored something that I never noticed to begin with. Yes I made a mistake, but its not with malicious intention. You pay no notice to jcarl mistakenly killing off bh, yet you jump on this. It's clear you've decided to align yourself against me after I've been pushing you day one due to the fact that you've already decided to push for my lynch without bringing up anything from day one and only focusing on a single detail. A town player looks at the big picture, while a mafia player tries to look for easy targets and that's exactly what you have been doing. I'll have to take a look at the other low profile players tomorrow since I'm really tired. | ||
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Not a single person has tried to look back at the day one lynch, so I figured that would be a good place to start. More importantly, I'm looking at players at decided to swap to oats without expressing suspicion of him. Lynching just for the sake of lynching is definitely a mafia trait. At the same time, I'm also looking at the players that stuck on an player that had no chance of getting lynched at the end of the day in a majority format. By not voting for one of the main candidates, they placed a meaningless vote. Dandel Ion, Sylencia, Crossfire99, kitaman27, gonzaw and jcarlsoniv were on the oats wagon. Marvellosity and iamperfection were on hassy. Mr. Cheesecake was a single vote on Crossfire99 Stutters695 was a single vote on iamperfection Hassy voted for no one. I'll start with the stragglers: With the stutters vote, he never provides a reason for iamperfection, besides the fact that he is trying to consolidate. He lists two others players as a preferred lynch, but puts little effort into pushing them. He doesn't really share one way or another what his view is on oats. He was away for most of day one, but I find the way he approached the lynch scummy. Mr. Cheesecake votes Crossfire99 as a self proclaimed sheep vote and hasn't returned in four days. Don't really have much to say about him alignment wise. Marv starts the hassy bandwagon, but I'm not seeing the same things that he was seeing. To me, hassy is completely null. Lynching a lurker is fine if there isn't a strong alternative, but like I explained earlier, I think Sylencia would have been a much better scummy lurker lynch. Marv didn't seem very interested in day one, which earns him scum points. iamperfection doesn't really provide a huge case about hassy, but at least he shows to care about the lynch. There are numerous occasions where he tries to convince others to join his bandwagon. Even though iamperfection was one of the main alternatives to the oats mislynch, I'm leaning town on him based on his interest in day one. Now onto the oats lynch. As with most majority lynches, things swung real fast. I'll take a look at the votes in order: Dandel Ion is a player who moved his vote around to several players throughout the day, which earns him town points. Generally a mafia player likes to stick to a single player and cause the least amount of trouble. Dandel tries to generate pressure on several players and is fairly open with his opinions. Sylencia had his vote on me the entire cycle explaining it wasn't a "serious vote". At the end of the cycle, he moves his vote over to oats explaining that the case on oats is more "compelling" without actually pointing out anything from the case that he agrees with. Notice how he is more focused on finding a player to vote, than finding evidence that a player is scummy. He jumps on the oats wagon without even referencing him at another point and decides to rely on other players to do the scumhunting. Sylencia is still the player that I am most confident will flip scum. Crossfire99 is another one of the players that jumped on the oats wagon without referencing him earlier in the day, which also earns him scum points. He votes for oats simply to consolidate the lynch, without explaining why he thought oats was a scummy player. Kitaman27 - That's me. gonzaw starts off defending oats from BH. After stating that hassy is his preferred lynch, he swaps over to oats at the end. He does appear to look back at one of oat's games to compare his play to this game, which earns him town points, but he wasn't on hassy very long before deciding to swap over to oats, which shows he didn't have much resolve. jcarlsoniv is really awesome. Though he also might be scum, which would break my heart. In his defense of allowing BH to be lynched through the oats ability, he brings up the fact that he thought BH was starting a panic lynch, which would result in a town mislynch. The part that troubles me though, is that he had no problem joining this panic lynch. On February 15 2013 08:56 jcarlsoniv wrote: So...oats? Ok With this post, it seems like he is letting the town decide who to lynch, rather than push the player he thinks is most likely to be scum. The biggest thing to consider with soniv is whether or not as scum he would want to spotlight of killing off BH. Blazinghand had a pretty awesome role, but a 1:1 trade with him wouldn't be worth it. I'll post more about players actually filters later, rather than just the events surrounding the actual lynch. I have a wedding to go to today so I might not be able to post again until tonight (And this post took far longer than I was hoping -_-) | ||
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On February 17 2013 00:21 Dandel Ion wrote: This one also does apply to kitaman btw. This isn't arrogance, its the fact that I want to do whatever I can to ensure the election ends up in town hands. Sure I made a mistake with kurumi, but compounding that error by giving up and letting the roles end up in scum hands isn't going to help us. Who else is a better candidate than me? A single player in this game hasn't flipped a scum player yet so we're all on equal footing. At least I'm trying to get things moving. | ||
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That one post was more than the combined efforts of 3-4 of the remaining players. No comments on anything? On February 17 2013 03:17 Dandel Ion wrote: I see you tunneling sylencia for days, and not doing much else of anything. So do you have a town read on sylencia? I'm having trouble coming up with a scenario where he's not scum, unless we were hit with a game where half the scum team is afk. On February 17 2013 03:19 marvellosity wrote: The gentleman made a 'mistake' by 'accidentally' killing gentleman Kurumi, who wished to eject the same gentleman. Naturally the same gentleman, who was perhaps a tenth as bothered with the discourse as I, gives me points of evil for not being bothered. Gentleman Austin was right about this one. hey marv, you don't have a post restriction. Its self imposed....so you're allowed to stop. Maybe you could spend less time coming up with nonsense and more time pressuring players. On February 17 2013 03:20 Dandel Ion wrote: So, you down for lynching gonzaw? I'd say he is in my top 6 scum candidates right now, so yes. sylencia is my preferred candidate and I'd like a chance to reread crossfire and jcarlsoniv before I decide. I'm also interested in seeing who gonzaw decides to push today/how much effort he puts in. From my experience, a lazy gonzaw is usually a scum gonzaw. | ||
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On February 17 2013 03:27 kitaman27 wrote: So do you have a town read on sylencia? I'm having trouble coming up with a scenario where he's not scum, unless we were hit with a game where half the scum team is afk. While we're at it, does anyone actually have a town read on sylencia? I'm having an awful difficult time pushing his lynch for a player that nobody actually views as pro-town. | ||
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On February 17 2013 04:21 Stutters695 wrote: It's my Girlfriend's birthday today so I'll be pretty inactive until tomorrow unless work is slow. Kita why is Gonz in your top six? I'm assuming since you said six specifically he's either tied for the bottom of that list or he is sixth. If that's the case why would you be ok with your sixth best choice if syl doesn't get lynched rather than push for someone in between? I need to check Syls filter, so other than him who would you.choose as your number two lynch? I see no reason not to pressure him. There are four scum players remaining and possible a third party, so top six is pretty likely to hit. I'd say he is probably around four-five right now. Like I said earlier, I'll go through the list of players when I get back from a wedding. Since you said you will be going through syls filter, that means you will be returning today to comment on him, correct? I could understand that you weren't completely active on day one, but now day two is almost half way over and you've still yet to comment on someone. You need to spend less time asking others their opinions and more time sharing your own. On February 17 2013 03:34 iamperfection wrote: I could get behind a sylencia lynch gogo vote. | ||
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Not me. We could probably figure it out by having everyone claim, but is it important enough to do so? | ||
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On February 17 2013 10:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Lol Iamp mad. Sup guys I'm town. What should I do besides read like 40 pages of stuff?+ Take a look at Sylencia's filter and vote for him. | ||
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On December 11 2012 18:34 Sylencia wrote: At work, decided to check in on what Oats had said before he got lynched, and now this is where I find yamato to be rather suspicious. A lot of posts made by Oats always ask about people's opinion on yamato. Why is he so intent on getting that information? (Why does he feel the need to explain what yamato does when he is clearly capable of doing it himself) The following posts after that are the ones where people begin to wonder - why did he say yamato was suspicious, then complete 180 and say he was town? Naturally, Oats also did mention Kickstart a lot, but that's because he was pushing for a mislynch to happen so that is only natural that the majority of the time Kick was being talked about by him. So here I wonder, was the plan on day 1 something like this, or did it eventually lead to this: - Everyone starts the game, and off the bat people are suspicious of yamato. - To help draw attention away, yamato stops posting and oats gets to work on a case against Kickstart instead, while also defending people suspecting yamato. - During all this, opinions on yamato are given when asked as this obviously helps the scum work out who they should take out first. - Oats continues his case against Kickstart, but at this point does the 180, and it really seems like he's now subtly putting it out there that yamato is innocent. - Case goes against oats now and he is lynched. In each of the days including the first, yamato has never changed his vote. A smart move, if he was scum because on the first day, going with the crowd would leave him with explaining to do, day 2 ended up with a no lynch, meaning there was a free kill for the scum in any case, and then finally we have day 3 - where him, Arn and I are the most suspicious ones of the group. Within the first few hours of the day he decides to target Arn, and we're left where we are. The majority of this case is based behind the actions of Oats, and I think that he has left enough clues to find the other member of the mafia team. This is the way I decided to look at it this time, and it is the way I am going to vote today. ##vote Yamato On December 21 2012 22:39 Sylencia wrote: Alright, I've caught up to an extent, and I am pretty surprised to see so many people change their votes to Spag in the final 12 hours of the first day. At the present moment, I'm simply going through the possible ways in which we can use the vote count in our favour for finding the scum, since it's extremely unlikely that the mafia could cruise control to a free mislynch, there had to be some sort of bandwagoning happening. Also note that this doesn't mean I'm implicating Corazon as scum, as what Omni says does make sense, but I'm not going as far as to say he is 100% town. For the previous day, we have ourselves 7/13 (or 12 if you exclude Spag himself) people voting for Spag. Along the way, what we can take away from this is that there are scum scattered around this vote. The exact number is of course unknown, but to get the ball rolling it wouldn't be unreasonable to say there was at least 2 members voting for Spag here. Spaghetticus (7): Aquanim, OmniEulogy, Mocsta, cakepie, Kickstart, Chromatically, shz I've split the votes into 3 groups, the first 3, the next 2 and the final 2. To start with the final 2 votes: These final 2 votes were essentially making the lynch guaranteed, they could have stayed with their original vote, but decided to move over for their own reasons. shz: Very willingly bandwagoned both his votes on cora and Spag, very little analysis behind the reasoning other than not liking spag's defense, a little shady in my eyes, since Cora has quite a high chance of being town, and Spag being confirmed town. Chrom: Listed out his suspicions, but then also bandwagons onto Spag, only saying that the points were already raised by others, though there is a small explanation after. Still keeping my eye out, but isn't so bad. From the middle 2, the fact this area is where the balance of the votes changes, it's likely that at least one of the three could be scum. Kickstart: Hard to say, since it's a complete opposite to last game where he posted a lot and was very active, he did make a case, but it didn't really cover too much new information it was the same as what Aqua already said, just reflavoured. Cake: Reasonable points raised, only concern is the really weird part in the middle: Being the fourth vote, having Chrom move to Spag would pretty much call for a death sentence, since I was not around and Spag won't vote for himself meaning it would be a 5/11 vote count. Other than that, looks quite constructive and open with information. From the two in the middle, I would definitely say that Kick is on my watchlist, and while I'm not entirely sure on cake, I am inclined to say he is more likely to be town. First 3 - set the ball in action: Aqua - While I don't agree that posting rationally is scum, I think most of the points found were legitimate, and could've easily convinced me. In addition, Aqua is putting his neck on the line changing his vote from Cora to Spag. Only reasons to do this are: a) Legitimately believed he found the right tells b) Plan on voting Cora (implying he is also scum) but hoping the votes didn't roll in backfired - only considered because the vote was dropped so so early on. Plan b would be a really radical move to do, and I would believe in option A more, and so I'm more inclined to believe he has a higher chance of being town. Omni: So confused. If you were adamant about Cora being scum why would you go and change your vote? In my mind it makes little sense because the way you voted for Spag made it seem like you disregarded your strong thoughts on Cora and just moved straight onto Spag because he didn't rebound from Aqua's claims too well. Just stick to your reads because the reasons behind your vote on Spag were way too speculative compared to what you thought about Cora. Mocsta: Well thought out arguments, and during the day was bringing up a lot of discussion points, I like to think of Moc as more of a townie than scum at the moment. Now - naturally this list might not actually say too much but I am going to say that it is VERY unlikely for there to be (7+Spag)/9-10 townies vote for an innocent player. There had to be some manipulation going on in, it is just a matter of finding out who. If I had to list my two suspicions from the list - I would say I am suspecting Kickstart and Omni. There is something extra about Omni which doesn't feel right, I'm not completely sure what it is but I feel like there's something there. I'll post about the non-voters next, but this one took me a lot longer since I got distracted by 2 games of dota.. On December 20 2012 14:05 Sylencia wrote: Ok, I read the last few pages and at first I was liking shz's idea with the posting of the 'conclusions' that could be made if X player was lynched but as I was typing up some of the reasoning behind my thoughts I realised that it doesn't really make sense to do that - which is what Chrom said... Corazon: Remember that while most of us are newbies, there are players who have obs'd a few games before this, and seen the inner workings on how scum players play, what newbies do and general scum reads. Putting it into practice is of course a lot harder though. But don't be intimidated by all that, just play your best game and hope for the best. Now, for who I am going to vote for - at the moment my thoughts are actually quite split multiple ways. First, I said I wanted to vote threesr, but I feel like the behaviour displayed shouldn't be considered TOO deeply (but still considered of course) because while it annoys a lot of people, the statements made were mostly just noise. However, the unvoting and voting of different targets makes me feel uneasy, as everyone who he has voted for has been in the firing line at some point during the day, and I can't tell if it's a way to try pressure others into following suit by way of numbers or not. In the case of voting for Corazon - this is the easy path for me, I can simply sheep and jump onto the corazon train but I don't know if that's the right way either. He was targeted early, but this was due to the lack of reads at the time and I think that scum have jumped onto the opportunity to get someone out easy, and honestly to me the thing with Corazon is that while he is defensive, he is still clear with what he is saying and is direct in replying to things which are targetted at him. Downside is he did make a slip, and it most definitely could've been subconciously done and I don't know if I should overlook that or not - since I learned from last game you should go with the most obvious pick from the most obvious reads. I chose to ignore it last time and I paid the price by losing us the game essentially. Fatchunk I still have no idea about, I read his filter but I didn't get much from it. I really hate this, but for now I am leaning towards Corazon, since I don't want to be ignoring 'obvious' tells like I did last game. ##Vote cDgCorazon I can still change my vote for the next couple of hours before I leave but at the moment this is where I stand On December 05 2012 19:03 Sylencia wrote: So pretty much at the moment, while catching up with all this drama that has happened in the past 5 or so hours, I've really become a lot more confused and a lot less sure who is actually scum and who is not. Axle: Originally, I thought his acts of 'treat me nicely, I'm new' were actually quite suspicious, followed by really confusing posts which initially I believed were just posts to clog up the conversation and keep things disjointed. However, seems like as time goes on I understand what Axle is talking about less and less and now I don't even read the posts because it actually hurts my brain to try and understand the concepts he is talking about. Based off the responses you guys make to what he says, seems to be hard on you too. Basically, if I had no better read, I'd be picking Axle simply because I don't want to have to deal with working with an incomprehensible teammate. Jidolboy: From what I have seen, all that has happened from him are a few answers and then a sudden vote. If I was to guess the way this game was going to go down, it would have the one person who is more active do the swaying, while the other lurks a bit more. As far as I can tell, Jidol has been the biggest lurker in the game so far, and then makes no effort in justifying what he has said. However, does that mean he's piggybacking onto CC, making him scum (assuming that Jidol is too)? Possibly, but probably not, if they were both scum, they wouldn't be picking out Oats I think, and instead piggyback onto the Kick vote. Kick: This afternoon, I said that Kick is a townie because of his obnoxious behaviour. Rad and Oats continue the attack, and bring up rather relevant points, most of which I didn't consider (and also some points due to a past game which I didn't observe). However, at this point in time, I still believe that Kick is a townie, and so at this point in time I will not be voting for him. yamato: More active than jidol, but still seems like lurking, and goes with the easy way out by voting Axle. Also noticed the disappearance after heat being applied on him but whether or not that's due to time zone, I'm not sure. Now, between Rad and Oats, I feel like one is supporting the other, but at the same time, I also feel like one of them is doing so with the intention of swaying the other into believing they are on the same team. This round, I feel like I have to be voting for one or the other here. (Also, while I think that one or the other is scum, I do not think that both would be scum. They stand out far too much and have already essentially said "We are together in this fight", and that'd be some sick psychological tactics or some really newbie play if they were to be double scum) In this case, I will be voting for Oats for two reasons: No lynch doesn't help us get any information. Worst case scenario means if we pick all townies to be lynched, we lose at the same rate as if we didn't lynch Day 1. Between the two, Oats feels a lot more scummy to me. The main point in the end is the suspicion on yamato, followed by the 'scum read' on yamato, followed by a complete drop of the case against him, and then a complete dodge on answering why yamato was even suspected by him in the first place. Also, to me it seems like the case made when explaining why there was a vote for kickstart in the first place could also be applied to him. 1. At the time, yamato was still a suspect, so claims possible read 2. Notices no support for yamato's suspicion, backs out, and goes straight for Kickstart. Naturally, I could be completely off track here, but I feel like the person who I should vote is for Oats. ##Vote Oatsmaster | ||
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On February 17 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: I think Kurumi's death deserves a kita lynch. We know for sure Kita wanted to kill Kurumi there. I don't think there's much more to add. He could have opted for guessing his alignment instead. Take this with a grain of salt since I've still lots to read, but Kita lynch doesn't look disputable to me. Explain to me how a 1:1 trade with kurmi makes sense as mafia? Killing kurumi puts me in the spotlight and causes a lot of people to be suspicious of me. As I explained before, if I were mafia, I could have picked pass, with no risk to myself and gone into d2 with next to no suspicion. The reason I thought kurumi was scum is that he was using a detective/vig role on a player he appeared to trust (he agreed with my arguement on syl and we voted together). I thought that a town player with that role would 100% try to alignment check/vig the player they found to be the most scummy. It still doesn't make much sense to me why he didn't. On February 15 2013 04:38 gonzaw wrote: I wouldn't mind lynching Hassy/Sylencia/Cheesecake On February 15 2013 07:17 marvellosity wrote: And Sylencia is a gentleman of interest - the gentleman kitaman raised good points about the man. On February 15 2013 08:15 marvellosity wrote: The man known as Sylencia I also believe may well have evil intentions. He continuously makes little chitter-chatter with other gentlemen, but only ever about his own person, and never unprompted. This is why looking at such gentlemen is not merely "policy". On February 17 2013 11:47 Stutters695 wrote: Syls filter is worrying but I need to check his meta. On February 17 2013 10:37 Crossfire99 wrote: I would also be willing to lynch sylencia today. On February 16 2013 02:31 jcarlsoniv wrote: Yeah I could see sylencia being scum. On February 17 2013 12:25 jcarlsoniv wrote: Syl's filter is really bad, and I would not be opposed to a lynch on him today. It amazes me how many people think sylencia is scum, yet I have the same number of votes as him. Does nobody recognize the pushback we are getting here? People aren't willing to defend their scumbuddy, but conveniently decide not to vote for him right now. | ||
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On February 18 2013 00:05 Vivax wrote: You could have picked pass, since Kurumi seemed to have picked share information, he would have known your alignment. That's not how the role works. Syl had it wrong in his post. If I picked pass, kurumi potentially could have given me his alignment. As mafia, a player sending me their alignment would have been absolutely no risk to me. My thought process was that a town player with an alignment checker and a vig role, wouldn't be wasting their time using it on a player they thought was town. Let me ask you this: if you had the chance to alignment check or vig a player, would you use it on the player you thought was scum or town? | ||
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On February 18 2013 00:14 Dandel Ion wrote: Here's what I say happened: Scum kita saw he was confronted with the choice. Kurumi said he wasn't going to kill. Scum kita assumed kurumi would pick "pass" to learn his alignment. He didn't think it through and got announced the killer because kurumi made the correct choice for a townie to make, which is share, instead of pass. That doesn't make sense dandel. If scum kita assumes kurumi would pick pass, scum kita picks pass too. No alignments are swapped and he goes away with an "opps looks like we overlapped". | ||
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On February 18 2013 00:19 Dandel Ion wrote: Hell no. Killing a townie "without any risk"? Sure you do that. Without any risk? lol my name gets revealed as the killer. Of course there is risk. If I'm mafia a 1:1 trade simply makes zero sense. That's not this game works. On February 18 2013 00:18 Dandel Ion wrote: But you were too afraid of dying. Too afraid for a townie to be. u scum son. My role creator can confirm that I'm not afraid of dying. I thought kurumi was scum, I was wrong, and now people are taking advantage of my mistake, while ignoring the person that everyone thinks is scum, but doesn't want to lynch. | ||
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On February 18 2013 00:18 Dandel Ion wrote: But you were too afraid of dying. Too afraid for a townie to be. u scum son. In fact, that was the exact argument I used earlier for shooting kurumi. He refused to check syl because he was TOO AFRAID OF DYING. How come you're ignoring this? | ||
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On February 18 2013 00:30 Dandel Ion wrote: As I said, you hoped/assumed he would Pass. That is most certainly not what I said. You were using an example of where scum kita assumed pass and I was saying why it didn't make sense. On February 18 2013 00:27 Dandel Ion wrote: Town thought process: Pass: I might learn his alignment, might get shot without an announcement. Okay, but undesireable. Share: He might learn my alignment, he might be unveiled as my killer. Both desireable outcomes. Kill: I can't get killed. I might kill him with a good chance of getting revealed. I have nothing more than a passing suspicion of some random post he did. Clearly the inferior option. I can't killed that night, but I've thrown away my protection for free (not going to roleclaim how my role works). I throw away a kp for a player I have a mafia read on Scum thought process: Pass: I already know alignment, might get killed. Nope. Nope, I can't get killed. Best choice since its free Share: He might learn my alignment. If he shoots me he gets confirmed town since he's announced killer. NOPENOPENOPE. Agreed. a scum player isn't choosing this option Kill: Kills him. good chance of doing so without outing me, if he passes to learn my alignment. Best option for scum. Nope, you're confusing things again. Share outs me as the killer, not pass. A single kp isn't work a scum lynch Corrections in red. On February 18 2013 00:29 Dandel Ion wrote: Kita tell me why you didn't claim (or at least hint at it or breadcrumb) the shot on kurumi before the daypost? Because that's a sign of you hoping you wouldn't be exposed you know. Because I was at the hospital for most of the cycle. I sent my choice in and wasn't able to return at any point after I had to leave unexpectadly. You can even double check that I didn't post that cycle if you don't believe me. | ||
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On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote: Your arguments: 1) I have a role that magically explains everything but I won't claim it. lol in a game where someone knows my role and can confirm it because they created it, this is the argument you're using? On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote: 2) I can't read. (as per: "Nope, you're confusing things again. Share outs me as the killer, not pass. A single kp isn't work a scum lynch") Just correcting incorrect logic. You can come to your own conclusions about literacy. On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote: 3) I couldn't post, but I could send in my nightactions. Did I post? Go back the last 30 games I've played and find me a game where I skipped an entire cycle posting. This argument doesn't even work. Kurumi didn't post anything about the role either as town, yet that obviously doesn't make him scum. On February 18 2013 00:24 kitaman27 wrote: In fact, that was the exact argument I used earlier for shooting kurumi. He refused to check syl because he was TOO AFRAID OF DYING. How come you're ignoring this? No response to this post? You're using the same reason for wanting to lynch me as I was to shoot kurumi. | ||
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On February 18 2013 00:49 Dandel Ion wrote: I will have to blindly assume syl is town for as long as I think you are scum. Doesn't look like a bus imo. I'm still firmly null on him. Fine you're null. Vivax and Cheese haven't commented. gonzaw is in favor of lynching sylencia marv thinks sylencia is scum stutters is suspcious of sylencia kita wants to lynch sylencia iamimp wants to lynch sylencia jcarl supports a sylencia lynch crossfire is willing to lynch sylencia If seven players support a sylencia lynch and nobody thinks sylencia is town, why am I leading the lynch count right now? Imagine if sylencia was town. The mafia team could simply mislynch him since so many people think he is scum and win the game. Why wouldn't the mafia just push an easy lynch if it were free for the taking? Instead, sylencia is scum, a bunch of people say they are suspicious of him in case he flips at a later time, but instead vote elsewhere. | ||
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On February 18 2013 01:00 Dandel Ion wrote: You said that tho. Don't blame me for the nonsense you say. But you seem to have no interest in confirming what I say is truth. You can simply ask: "sup role creator. Is kita correct?" Instead you say: "lol no, lynch kita" On February 18 2013 01:00 Dandel Ion wrote: Read this again and tell me the incorrect part in detail: "good chance of doing so without outing me, if he passes to learn my alignment" Nevermind, we were saying the same thing there. That is something that could happen, but in that scenario a scum kita would choose pass. By choosing shoot there is a chance that a scum kita gets lynched after the flip. By choosing pass, nothing happens and there is absolutely no risk. On February 18 2013 01:00 Dandel Ion wrote: [/quote]Sure he did. quite early, too. He didn't have to say more, since he wasn't planning on, you know, killing shit. As I said before, its only obvious after being pointed out. No one else picked up on it besides the role creator, so I'm not alone. On February 18 2013 01:00 Dandel Ion wrote: No. You choose to reduce it to such to make it sound trivial, but that doesn't make it true. I chose to reduce it? On February 16 2013 12:29 kitaman27 wrote: I thought kurumi was focusing way too much on not wanting to risk his own life for town. Does this get any clearer? What is there to reduce? What happened to gonzaw? At lylo I suddenly become your number one scum read now that my lynch has gained traction? Does all of the reasons gonzaw was scum no longer apply? | ||
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On February 18 2013 01:17 kitaman27 wrote: What happened to gonzaw? At lylo I suddenly become your number one scum read now that my lynch has gained traction? Does all of the reasons gonzaw was scum no longer apply? Ninja'd | ||
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On February 18 2013 01:31 Dandel Ion wrote: ah crap screwd up one of the quotes here: If you had wanted to make an educated choice, you should have looked. Especially since you claim he was a scumread of yours. Not only did you never do anything about that, but it also suggests you did not go through his filter at all. Which is no good sign. I most certainly did look. It's obvious that I looked because as I explained in my reasoning of shooting kurumi, that he was scum based on his posts about syl. I just didn't make the connection, which is reasonable considering it was surrounded by nonsense such as Friendship Love, love of tea, loud people, fish in his cereal bowl, riddles, reverse dimensions, and white is white, black is black. | ||
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Sutters, have you come to any conclusions about the difference between syl in this game and hist past games as town? You said you would be commenting on it. Does anyone else find it strange that the person that gonzaw claims to have poisoned hasn't claimed yet? Either the person that was poisoned doesn't want town to know about it or gonzaw hasn't actually used his ability and is lying to us. Cheese, you said a couple times that you were 40 pages behind in the thread. Why is that? Could you do me a favor and comment on every player left in the game? k thx. | ||
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On February 18 2013 01:52 Dandel Ion wrote: So kita, waddaya say to lynching gonzo instead? I sense my own weakness crawling into me. tenacity, was not a virtue to the wished degree. I want syl lynched first as he is my strongest read. It looks quite likely that they are both scum. If my vote is needed to hammer a gonzaw lynch, if people refuse to vote for syl, I will do so to avoid a mislynch, but I will continue to push syl until then. | ||
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On February 18 2013 02:18 Dandel Ion wrote: I am not saying iamp is a bad target, he is currently my guess for scum#4. But you basically ask us to lynch somebody else than you, and close our eyes to pray and hope you hit red. I do not feel willing to do that. Well we're basically at lynch syl/gonzaw the next two days right? We could lynch syl today, he flips red and iamp flips whatever. If gonzaw has poisoned a scum, we reevaluate guys like stutters or cheese since its extremely unlikely that he would poison a scumbuddy for cred. If gonzaw has poisoned a town, we lynch him as planned and have two left to go. | ||
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On February 18 2013 02:24 Dandel Ion wrote: Shortcuts are available but nobody listens. I'm all ears? | ||
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On February 18 2013 02:25 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well, regardless of whether we lynch gonzaw or not, iamperfection is poisoned. Gonzaw would have to give the antidote. Iamperfection is set to die from poison at the lynch (something I don't really oppose), so his life is in gonzaw's hands before the lynch, whether or not gonzaw dies at the same time. Since you're around could you respond to my earlier question? Also, Do you think gonzaw should give iamp the andidate? Btw, now would be a great time to vote for syl | ||
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On February 18 2013 01:55 kitaman27 wrote: Quick question for you soniv if you're around: if iamp was the best candidate in your eyes on day one and you weren't able to convince town about him being scum, why didn't you try to manipulate the lynch by asking town to unvote and revote so that both iamp and oats would be killed? Sutters, have you come to any conclusions about the difference between syl in this game and hist past games as town? You said you would be commenting on it. Does anyone else find it strange that the person that gonzaw claims to have poisoned hasn't claimed yet? Either the person that was poisoned doesn't want town to know about it or gonzaw hasn't actually used his ability and is lying to us. Cheese, you said a couple times that you were 40 pages behind in the thread. Why is that? Could you do me a favor and comment on every player left in the game? k thx. | ||
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On February 18 2013 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote: You have mentioned Syl doing "more" as town, but you have overlooked his actions as scum too. "more" is something he did as either alignment. Meta was unconvincing. I am unsure how you can be so sure of Syl. This may as well be a big play by you and gonzaw as both scum. To lynch Syl and kill iamp (both town IN THAT CASE), is a win. Trust is the issue. The conclusion that I came to was that as town syl makes huge posts about why who he wants to lynch and why he thinks this is the case. He shows that he is actually capable of making an argument and wants his preferred candidate to get lynched. He was more active in his scum game than this one too, but the fact is that he has shown he is capable as town. This game syl has sheeped the day one lynch and omgus'd the day two lynch. He sounds confused multiple times and acts as if he is unable to come up with his own opinions. It's probably lylo, if I don't push my prefered candidate we lose so I don't see why I should be any less confident on syl. If gonzaw is scum, he's going to poison iamp whether I'm scum or not (I'm not). | ||
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On February 18 2013 05:34 Vivax wrote: Sylencia doesn't look like a good lynch to me. What makes you think he's town? | ||
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On February 18 2013 08:27 jcarlsoniv wrote: Ok, you know what? Out of the people I trust in this game right now, kitaman is not one of them. I trust dandelion slightly more. If gonzaw flips town, it's on your head dandelion. ##sheep Dandelion ##unvote ##Lynch gonzaw Wait so you're not voting for syl because you don't trust me, rather than thinking syl is town? This doesn't make sense. It's lylo you have to lynch the player that is most likely scum. You can't shift the blame to dandelion. xfire, where are you? Please hurry up an vote syl before we end up with a no lynch. Guys look at it this way: kitaman27, Sutters695, gonzaw, Vivax kitaman27, Sutters695, gonzaw, jcarlsoniv At two different points in this cycle there were 4 votes on syl. That means that the mafia team could have hammered him and ended the game unless 3/4 of the people voting him are mafia. I know I'm not mafia so that would force the scum team to be sutters, gonzaw, vivax, jcarloniv. Do we think its that likely the entire team was voting together? If mafia mislynches a town syl it goes 5v4 after the poison, 3v4 after night hits. 4v4 worst case for mafia. If the mafia team could have mislynched a town. THEY WIN. They chose not to lynch syl. This pretty much proves syl is mafia. | ||
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On February 18 2013 08:37 Dandel Ion wrote: Nah, same goes for gonzaw. So you don't deny my logic essentially proved syl is mafia? | ||
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On February 18 2013 08:38 kitaman27 wrote: So you don't deny my logic essentially proved syl is mafia? And the same doesn't go for gonzaw. When were 4 votes on him? jcarlsoniv, do you dispute my logic? | ||
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On February 18 2013 08:38 Dandel Ion wrote: I absolutely deny it. It's shitty wifom. So you're saying the mafia would take a chance at 4 mafia vs 3 town if they could mislynch a town player? | ||
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On February 18 2013 08:40 Dandel Ion wrote: Right now. Hey, remember when you said you're down for lynching gonzaw? I do. Now put your money where your mouth is. But it wasn't four until up to now. There was a chance for four multiple times on syl. Then again its possible they are both scum and the logic applies to both. I'm going to continue to push syl up to 6:59 if I need to switch. | ||
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On February 18 2013 08:41 Dandel Ion wrote: Maybe all 4 mafia already were on Syl. Who knows! All four couldn't have been on mafia at once because I'm town. Even if you don't believe me, do you think that is the case on all four of us, because if you don't that means syl is 100% scum. | ||
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On February 18 2013 08:46 Vivax wrote: But couldn't they hammer gonzaw right now as well? Not if they don't have syl's vote. It's quite possible he has been afk. Mafia team could have hammered syl for like 10 hours this cycle, gonzaw just recieved the 4th vote a few minutse ago. | ||
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On February 18 2013 08:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: Don't really care how it sounds to you. I don't really dispute your logic, but the same argument can be made for gonzaw, and you're fighting awfully hard for him not to be lynched. The mafia team had 10 hours this cycle to hammer syl. Hammering a town player results in a 3v4 mafia win. Mafia chose not to hammer syl. This is pretty much a sure thing, even if you don't trust me, do what makes sense. gonzaw only has had 4 votes for a few minutes, mafia has far less time to instant switch to him. | ||
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On February 18 2013 08:49 Vivax wrote: Your argument sounds right, I just feel really clueless about this game atm, so it's the only thing I can hold on to. We essentially have a guaranteed lynch here. Please don't let dandel bully you out of the correct logic. | ||
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On February 18 2013 08:51 Vivax wrote: I just don't get why you killed Kurumi. I messed up. It was a mistake thinking he was trying to shoot me. Even if you don't trust me, trust the logic. | ||
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On February 18 2013 08:53 Dandel Ion wrote: By how far I have to fight for this lynch, I'm pretty happy about it's results. The same shit you cite as your "logic" also applies to the gonzaw lynch. It's laughable how hard and obvious you defend him. Same can be said for how hard you're defending syl | ||
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Well I'm certainly not scum. | ||
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SOMEONE HAMMER SYL | ||
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On February 18 2013 09:02 jcarlsoniv wrote: Someone shoot kitaman tonight? kthx You hurt me deeply | ||
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On February 19 2013 08:08 Vivax wrote: I already know what to create if I become inventor. When I get inventor, I'm going to invent a huge house for soniv and I so that we can live happily ever after! | ||
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I'll come up with a case so convincing that the mafia team will have no choice but to lynch one of their own. | ||
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Part of your role doesn't allow you to claim? | ||
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On February 19 2013 09:22 Dandel Ion wrote: I'll prolly go for a shitty one since I'm last in draft order I guess. You're the noob that overlapped with me, aren't you. | ||
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On February 19 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote: Wtf kita, that's a terrible idea. How so? The 3 mafia members know what picks they are going to take. There is no way that they will overlap. I'm at the 5th pick and dandel is at the 6th pick. We're the two players most likely to overlap. It does us no good if someone picks vig, then I pick vig, then dandel picks vig. lol taking too long? I'm not watching the thread 24/7 just waiting for you to ask me a question. It's not like as scum its going to take me 2 hours to formulate a response -_- | ||
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On February 19 2013 09:49 jcarlsoniv wrote: You don't want me lynched dandelion. My role is FINALLY useful (whoever made my role, I fucking hate you) You know deep in your heart that I'm not scum. You should use your first pick to grab link. That way we can mason each other! | ||
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Thanks for hosting GreYMisT and hopeless! On February 20 2013 03:28 jcarlsoniv wrote: Then it needed to be worded differently. I asked grey, morning of D1 I only had 25 energy. Believe me, if I had a vig shot N2 it would've gone I kita's skull. Well I was a vet, but I'm disappointed we weren't able to spend some time together at night! | ||
kitaman27
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On February 26 2013 12:29 Hopeless1der wrote: aside from all the townies killing themselves off without mafia interference Blasphemy! 7/8 mafia votes were on the two lynches and 7/8 of the kills were mafia hits. | ||
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