Themed Game Mafia

On February 08 2013 22:19 Sylencia wrote:


Village Idiot roles - mainly ones where the mod has to make sure the VI says or does something each day. With 25 people in this game, it'd make life pretty hard for the mods.

On February 09 2013 01:39 gonzaw wrote:




This

I have this urge to in....but I'm not sure

On February 09 2013 15:41 wherebugsgo wrote:


the last thing we need IMO is people to focus too hard on throwing blues into setups when the forum suffers from people afking or just not playing the game.

Anything beyond vanilla is frosting on the cake that is mafia, and to me a cake made nothing of frosting is pretty sickening (although I don't really like cake...) In other words, if people can't even play vanilla roles, why bother throwing complicated or "fun" roles into the game? Half the time a cool role gets completely wasted by a modkill or replacement and then we have players and hosts who are forced to pick up the pieces afterward (aka deal with the banlist)

This is, of course, just my opinion. Take it how you will.

On February 12 2013 04:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Sigh...

/in

No idea how pick your power shit works, but I guess I need to find out eventually

On February 13 2013 03:19 Dandel Ion wrote:

Close eyes and pray. GG.

On February 13 2013 10:21 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm quite hung indeed.

On February 13 2013 11:18 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I don't really see any benefit in our role receiver knowing that we made their role.

And yeah, instant voting obv best choice right now.

On February 13 2013 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
BH is town, he is just horrible at the game.

Dandel Ion, Im not so sure. He hasnt done anything so far.

On February 13 2013 12:40 Blazinghand wrote:


Look, think about your thought process as a townie when you evaluated the three options. You probably rejected the Secret Ballot out of hand barring some weird circumstances because it takes information away from town, then you thought about Mayoral and Instant Majority. Thinking about the strengths and drawbacks of both, you'd note that Mayoral elections produce a different kind of discussion than lynch votes (not necessarily better or worse) and the actual vote itself tends to be about who says they'll use the lynch on whom and who you have a town-read on. Instant Majority sounds dangerous but actually buts the scum under a lot of pressure assuming nobody gets dumb and jumps the gun on the hammer.

But what you don't think about, and I'm certain nobody town aligned thinks about as a main reason not to use mayoral, is the possibility of making a scum player mayor. It's a risk of mayoral, but it's not the reason you wouldn't run it-- after all, if what the mayor does is pick who gets lynched, picking a scum player to be mayor isn't a huge risk. We're not giving powers to the scumteam, and in fact, having a scum under that spotlight could be very helpful to town. From a townie perspective, which any townie will have, you probably want instant majority because it's simple and lets you lynch someone. You want your vote to do something and you want to put pressure on the scum. You don't reject mayoral because a scum might get elected-- this might actually be the best outcome short of a townie get elected and lynching scum. You reject mayoral because instant majority is better and gives you more power to hunt scum.

Oats came into this giving reasoning that comes from a mindset not of townie scumhunting, but of scum shirking responsibility and blending in, and thinking fearfully.

I thought this was pretty obvious, guys

On February 13 2013 12:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also, BH is town, because as scum, there is no point to put yourself under the spotlight this early when you can use that post later in a larger analysis.

On February 13 2013 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also, I think scum BH is better at the game. At least he appears to be better than town BH.

On February 13 2013 13:01 austinmcc wrote:
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaan, Keirathi. I had similar thoughts, but I wanted to see what oats was referencing before bringing that up.

On February 13 2013 13:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Oatsmaster, most people who have played with me extensively are aware I'm very active and aggressive as both scum and town, and am highly prone to shenanigans as any alignment. I won't comment as to my own guilt. Experience tells me I will do too good a job of prosecuting myself, and convince you that I am guilty - or else you will decide that my prosecution was too half-hearted, and that I am scum. I will remark only this in my defense - that I have never been mislynched as town, and get lynched all the time as scum.

On February 13 2013 13:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Someone asked why not mayoral. So I answered to the best of my ability.

Am I really the only person with a town read on BH?

Well yeah BH, I thought you were trolling, as you have a tendency to troll early game.
Clearly you are not as can be seen from your wall of text.

On February 13 2013 13:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Is that a challenge?

##vote BlazingHand

On February 13 2013 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote:

How is this scummy?


Again, how is this scummy?

On February 13 2013 14:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
You didnt say it outright no, but the way you have been asking questions, is making me think you have a scum read on me.

Why does it matter, if ME as town, has a lousy and innaccurate read on BH? Just ignore it/correct it and move on.

However, if Me as scum, has a unsupported town read on BH, does it make BH scummier? Or townier?

In conclusion, the only reason to be asking me questions like these is if you think I am scum

On February 13 2013 14:16 iamperfection wrote:
this game reminds me of rockband mini when bh made a shitty case as town and then proceeded to tunnel the fuck out of the guy and just gauged reactions.

I do not think oats actions so far in anyway are largely alignment indicative and i would probally say he is more likely to be town.

Bh case can be summed up as well he thought slightly different about the pyp. big deal all it really tells us is that oats thinks it from more than one point of view.

I think the fact that oats didn't run away and asked questions about why people had scum reads or scum feeling instead of just calling people stupid is constructive and shows a town mindset.

On February 13 2013 14:22 iamperfection wrote:

do you have a point to your question or are you just questioning my logic for shits and giggles.

i have a town read on oats
deal with it

On February 13 2013 14:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Keirathi, why are you so confrontational this game? Are you scum?

On February 13 2013 14:27 iamperfection wrote:
all you said was what i think makes no sense you said nothing of my alignment.

you afraid to say what you think bro ?

On February 13 2013 14:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Avioding the question Keirathi.

The main question is what I wanted answered.

On February 13 2013 14:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
(Hint: Avioding questions isnt good)

Then why dont you answer it? Like why not?
Because its your super secret playstyle?

On February 13 2013 14:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
So
Keirathi, do you have any reads?

And what do you think about Dandel Ion

On February 13 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
So he talked to 1 or 2 people before the game started and they can confirm that he planned this pregame?

I dont get that meaning from the sentence at all.

On February 14 2013 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv, is Keirathi's and Iamp's statments correct??
Yes I am curious. And yes this is a useless post.

Also, I wouldnt post like that to have fun, too much work :/

On February 14 2013 01:00 Hassybaby wrote:
Good afternoon gentlemen, I hope you're all well

I've been reading everything while at my internship, and this comment caught my eye:



Justify this, because that's the last thing that a townie should be worried about imo

On February 14 2013 02:09 Hassybaby wrote:


Dammit Keir, I wanted him to answer. Oh well...

On February 14 2013 03:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:


And see, to me, that's a bit odd. Dandelion expresses how important it is that townies establish town cred (which I personally somewhat disagree that that's not necessarily #1, but that's a whole different discussion) and yet he has done nothing at all in my mind to try to establish his own townieness.

If anything, his behavior thus far has led me the other way.

On February 14 2013 06:52 austinmcc wrote:

It should be plane to the reader that my word choice has been coordinate(d) with some kind of goal.

On February 14 2013 08:11 Dandel Ion wrote:

I decline.
When I say no effort, I mean no effort.

What I wrote on gonzaw, it was already too much, it seems.
I must buckle down, and do less.
Thanks for reminding me.

On February 15 2013 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Hassybaby

This is a serious vote. Considering what happened with Hassybaby in Parallel where he was really active, this is disturbing.

On January 12 2013 01:53 marvellosity wrote:


I became incredibly suspicious of Djo right around where I ragequit. Witness the following posts:







All these questions/points are useless, and serve no direction. He's asking all the wrong questions.

On February 15 2013 01:47 marvellosity wrote:


Hello, gentleman Keirathi. Simply enough, young Oats and Djodref are not the same gentleman.

On February 15 2013 01:52 marvellosity wrote:
Perhaps to elaborate a little for you, gentleman Keirathi. To me it is a sign of young Oats' good intent if he is willingly "making bullshit reads with terrible reasonining." As you are probably aware, sir, I was able to discern young Oats' bad intentions in the establishment named 'LIX', for the reasoning that he had no reads at all, 'bullshit' or otherwise.

Truly it can be argued that young Oats does not make arguments rigorously or perhaps even correctly; yet I have not seen the evil intentions that I have been able to discern before.

On February 15 2013 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote:

How about, NOPE?

You clearly agree with me on the BH read, so I dont know what your problem is there, even if I justified it with general reasoning rather than specific to BH.
Also, I was right on Hassybaby. He was more active and useful in Parallel than in here by a LARGE margin.

On February 15 2013 02:14 austinmcc wrote:

I started a post saying gonzaw, but I don't think that's my choice. Pretty sure I'm overvaluing LIX in being willing to lynch him, because there I didn't put enough stock in his activity. Here, he was momentarily Gonzaw after being called out, and then went back to being nothing. That's the same pattern that I didn't value enough in LIX, but the circumstances are also different in that he had a red check there and no red check here.

What I would really like is for Sylencia or Cheesecake to show up and be able to chat with them for like 20 minutes.

On February 15 2013 02:20 austinmcc wrote:
Keirathi, take a look at randombum if you would, and let me know when you've looked. I'd like to discuss him, but I've been less active here so I'll give my thoughts first and see where you're at.

On February 15 2013 02:34 austinmcc wrote:
Blech, I'll go reread him in parallel. Have no real memory of him there, tbh.

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When I read over people that are on the periphery of this game, he sticks out to me.

I actually agreed with Gonzaw's statement that randombum's posts were "neutral." This bit of his post on Oats/BH - is pretty much the most unique thing I've seen out of his posts. Granted, I liked the thought, but the rest is mush.

He has scumreads on oats and gonzaw, his only real reads given, but this is at a time where oats has already been called out and gonzaw has as well. To some extent, he admits as much, noting that others have pointed out his Oats issues. At the end of his filter he's on stutters, who everyone has the same thoughts about because there aren't any other thoughts to be had.

It just reads like empty space except for the one line about oats's thoughts and one response to some gonzaw pressure. But even the gonzaw defense is like..."i didn't call you scum, just said you weren't contributing" and things like that. It's his biggest post, but yet doesn't say anything, and reinforces the mush because in some cases he's actively defending himself against gonzaw by saying "No, I said something much more bland than the interpretation you're taking."

I will go check parallel.

On February 15 2013 03:54 austinmcc wrote:
Is filtering the thing you can't do? This may be a bad phonepost question.

On February 15 2013 04:38 gonzaw wrote:


Considering town Keirathi from WLIIA, this seems too "passive" from you. If you thought I was scum you wouldn't show hesitation to call me out, yet here you just post some stuff that to me even seems rehashed from other times I've played with you if I recall correctly, and don't even seem to have anything to do with this game (you just said how I played in both Aperture and in WLIIA and that's it, you make no conclusion at all)

On November 01 2012 12:26 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm....
Don't really know what to think of this (Keirathi basically wants people to check him out?).
Keirathi why do you want BH to comment on the stuff I said about you?

You are playing differently that in previous games I've played with you, and you still don't seem to contribute anything of your own other than slightly "pressure" some people (Chezinu and BH now apparently).

If you are town you would really need to step up your game, because it's making me hard to think of you as a townie that cares about this game right now.

That comment of yours seems weird for a scum to make....but damn I've seen scum post weird comments before (even in our last game) so I don't really want to take it into account, at least if you don't contribute or do something other than appear you are active by posting every once and then.
In Aperture Mafia 2 you were like confirmed town in my mind in very very little time by the way you posted, and in Can't Believe I remember you being part of discussions and stuff early on (even if you were "fluffy" or wishy-washy at times which made me FoS you initially...but you became pretty "obvious" town in D2 and D3). I don't see you doing either here, you are not even close to making me consider you town which is what makes me worried as well.

On November 02 2012 01:51 gonzaw wrote:
So, damn; I think Keirathi is the most likely scum out of all of them.Oh fuck this post restriction I won't make it in time.
He has done 0 scumhunting at all this day other than making "probing" questions to players like Chezinu or BH. He wasn't part of any discussion, and worst of all didn't seem to care. He didn't even seem to care to defend himself against my points.
Again, the main point is that he doesn't care about the game and is not contributing.
Again, in Aperture 2 or even Can't Believe, he was part of every discussion and would have never acted like he's doing here at all.

Yeah I think he should be today's lynch. But fuck I won't be around here for that, so I hope you guys can make something out of this D1.

On February 15 2013 05:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
The duck question seems like nefarious trickery.

Clearly, no man in his right mind would pick Duck 1.
Therefore, there must be a deeper level to the riddle.

On February 15 2013 06:12 gonzaw wrote:


Your "analysis" in your post was fluff, you just said how I acted in Aperture and how I acted in WLIIA, without forming any connection with this game at all.
You think I'm acting like WLIIA? If so why didn't you post anything about it in that post? Why didn't you go deeper into it?

Also I dunno if you are scum this time, that's what I want to find out.

On February 15 2013 06:25 austinmcc wrote:
Off the top of my head, I can only give the you the best answer I've got - I don't know, actually.

The only specific thing I remember about scum iamp is that he's more than willing to vote early. I have not refreshed my mind by reading any past games, although I remember him as scum in GSL Open III.

On February 15 2013 06:33 marvellosity wrote:


My inclinations are opposite. Interesting.

On February 15 2013 06:36 austinmcc wrote:
(Also I'll note that we went through this whole song and dance about reading iamperfection in GSL III, where he was scum and iirc you found him to be his town self. Heck, he was asking you to read him so he could show how townie he was. At the very least, BECAUSE this exact same thing has come up before with half of this playerbase, he KNOWS what you're looking for, and he's fooled you before. I think basing a vote purely off meta here is da poo poo).

Given a sample of his posts, looking at just those games and not others because I don't really feel the need to go super duper far on this, we're looking at a pretty high confidence interval for pegging him as scum, imo.

I AM MANGLING SOME OF THESE THINGS SO BAD. I HOPE IT HURTS, ROLE CREATOR. I HOPE IT HURTS.

On February 15 2013 06:42 austinmcc wrote:

You were in GSL 3. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602

GSL 2 was the super shitty one, and you weren't in it, at least D1.

If you look at you and iamperfection in GSL 3, he was actively asking you to tell everyone his alignment, because you could read him so well.

On February 15 2013 06:45 iamperfection wrote:
Keir am I town or scum go.

On February 15 2013 06:32 Keirathi wrote:
Personally, I think ATM that he is kind of fitting into his scum persona atm. He just doesn't have that "I don't give a fuck" attitude in most of his posts. Im not sure I want to lynch him yet though, because there are hints of it, and I just want to see more before I come to a definite conclusion.

On February 15 2013 06:37 Keirathi wrote:

Like I said, some of his early posts (particularly the ones to me and you, two the people who know him best), and his posts in the last hour or so fit with what I expect to see from town iamp. A lot of his stuff in the middle just doesn't have that "zing" though.

On February 15 2013 06:47 austinmcc wrote:
You did have a bunch of posts about his meta and how you could read him though. I'm really not making this up. It doesn't mean you're wrong here, or can't read him, or ANYTHING. To me it just shows that (1) If he has a meta, it's been discussed to some length, including the exact points you're raising here. (2) To the extent that's his meta, he's been able to alter his playstyle temporarily at times to make you think he's town, based on the same criteria you're using here. (3) Ain't no (3).

From 3
+ Show Spoiler +

Note that you're even aware of the possibility that, because you've discussed this exact issue with him, he could just be acting differently to confuse you.

On February 15 2013 06:50 iamperfection wrote:

It was a yes or no question not maybe or possibly

On February 15 2013 06:53 austinmcc wrote:
Yaya, I didn't think we were arguing. I guess I just want to say that

I think he's scummy
I don't care as much for the meta in this case, because it's been discussed

Your response just seemed very focus on asking me to match up this game with his meta. I'd point towards GSL 2, especially D1, to read for him acting like he is here, imo. Just remembered 3 because we were in it together, and this same thing came up.

On February 15 2013 06:55 austinmcc wrote:
nono. GSL 2. The one you weren't in. THAT D1.

On February 15 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote:
Ack. Too much time talking with keirathi, I've caught the jumpiness.

There's only one answer there though.

Back in 15-20.

On February 15 2013 07:32 Crossfire99 wrote:

A man after my own consolidatory (made that word up lol) heart. Do you still think oats is scum?

On February 15 2013 07:42 iamperfection wrote:

no lets kill hassy

On February 15 2013 07:56 iamperfection wrote:

but fucking lurking is scummy

On February 15 2013 08:00 iamperfection wrote:

stfu

On February 15 2013 08:03 iamperfection wrote:

show me where the fuck i said every fucking lurker is scum

On February 15 2013 08:15 marvellosity wrote:


This particular gentleman wonders if you are in fact yamato in disguise. I wonder, in particular, how lynching someone who lurks in the shadows has become in this establishment, and recent establishments, a "policy lynch" or "coinflip". This indicates that gentlemen have a lack of confidence in their ability to read those with few posts.




I am aware, gentleman Keirathi, that this is not aimed at me. Hassybaby usually has enthusiasm for themed games at least when he has good intentions. I remember a previous establishment (Mad Men) where I confidently declared him of evil intentions, for the reason that he never showed any interest in his fellow gentlemen. Count Cheesecake, to my horror, is performing a similar feat to his shenanigans in the watering hole named 'LVIII', therefore I am not confident that he may have evil intentions; Stut-utt-utters has come across as amiable to discourse of late. The man known as Sylencia I also believe may well have evil intentions. He continuously makes little chitter-chatter with other gentlemen, but only ever about his own person, and never unprompted. This is why looking at such gentlemen is not merely "policy".

On February 15 2013 08:39 Blazinghand wrote:
also why is everyone trying to lynch hassybaby you guys are all terrible

On February 15 2013 08:42 iamperfection wrote:
marv where are you why are not trying to get shit done?

On February 15 2013 08:54 gonzaw wrote:
So he should have like 6 or 7 votes now right?

Does someone know how many exact votes he has?

On February 15 2013 09:13 austinmcc wrote:
AS A SIDE NOTE IN ALL CAPS IT SURE AS HECK DOES MAKE THIS LOOK SUSPICIOUS




Keirathi's vote was ON OATS. He unvoted and revoted oats. He would have been the first voter had he not done that.

On February 15 2013 09:17 Kurumi wrote:

Wait, he unvoted Oats and voted again? That counted?

On February 15 2013 09:35 austinmcc wrote:
I guess you can interpret that as "Maybe I thought it was possible BH was scum," but I feel like he'd just come out and say so if that were the case, instead of talking about himself in the third person?

On February 15 2013 23:50 iamperfection wrote:

how is that relevant at all.

you didnt sheep in this game

the point im making is you didn't try to push hard to protect your town read in me or push your scum read.
you disappeared at a critical time which i know if you really wanted to win you wouldn't.

You brought up "real life" stuff the last time you did that from what i remember was when you were scum.

On February 16 2013 06:50 gonzaw wrote:


Considering everybody else, you seem the most townie at the moment.
I guess you could be scum like in Aperture (you were pretty active there), but considering some factors and you contributing quite enough on D1 and stuff I'm not going to bother taking that into account yet.

This game is so frustrating to try and get into. Some players haven't posted anything at all since like 50 hours ago, and everybody else is in this cloudy null pile, some of them not doing much either.
I cba to read everybody's filter too.

From gut feeling I'd say Keirathi (didn't like him just throwing out "yeah lynch gonzaw" without even trying to justify it, and when he did he did so indirectly until I called him out), and maybe Sylencia or another lurker, and maybe another one of the active/semi-active like kita/Kurumi/Dandel/iamperfection/marv.

I have a plan for tonight though. One thing my role creator did right lol.

P.S:


2+2=5...?
lol austin why do you post so much cryptic stuff

On February 16 2013 06:54 gonzaw wrote:
You did?
...
Wait I checked and the first time you mention me is when you post the "Aperture 2 WLIIA" stuff

On February 16 2013 08:48 Dandel Ion wrote:
I will deliver what needs to be delivered in style.

On February 16 2013 08:53 Dandel Ion wrote:
You may or may not be disappointed in the style.

On February 20 2013 03:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
My role was fucking terrible. I had to wait until N3 to be able to do anything at all. Was prepared to shoot kita tonight though.

Unfortunately, I didn't have enough time at my disposal the first 2 days because of things that kept coming up, so I couldn't actually be of any use.

Sry guys. I blame my role creator.

On February 20 2013 03:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Then it needed to be worded differently. I asked grey, morning of D1 I only had 25 energy. Believe me, if I had a vig shot N2 it would've gone I kita's skull.

GreY wrote:
So an interesting thing is that jcarlson, despite what he is saying in the thread, didn't make your role Oats

On February 20 2013 03:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Welcome to Themed game Mafia! You are the Infestor! You start with 25 energy, and gain 25 energy per phase (with the daypost).

Only got energy with the day post.

Needless to say, it SUCKS not having a power in a game where everyone has ridiculous powers.

On February 20 2013 04:13 austinmcc wrote:

25 energy per PHASE, day/night. 50 per cycle.


I've always been told that a cycle is day/night, and that also fits with the Infestor energy gains.

POSTGAME EDIT: I see what you're saying with that, but based on that the creator said, it was supposed to be a gain of 25 per day and 25 per night, for 50 a cycle. That PM just says 25 energy per phase, that he GAINS at the daypost (as I read it). So he gets 25 per cycle, but is only given the energy at the daypost, so it only comes in 50 energy chunks, at least as I read that.

On February 20 2013 04:28 austinmcc wrote:
Definitely seems to be key to make it very clear how you want everything to work. I know, like Gonzaw, I included a section of notes to Grey on how things should work, and he notified me of anything that he changed (originally, I had it so that Cpt. Picard could choose scum for a first officer and that scum would still bodyguard him - kill a scum, but then you lose your first officer and the role doesn't get passed down).

In terms of lessons learned for future PTP games, being super clear on how the role works seems like a good idea, and adding some more healing/protective powers seems like a good idea. Most of us went for offense, or gave people the OPTION for defense (except the support role, which had pure defense built in. Any others?), and it meant a very, very quick end to the game.

On February 20 2013 05:08 GreYMisT wrote:
Thanks for playing everyone. I hoped you enjoyed it and I apologize for being absent for a few days and for not getting all of the signups filled that I wanted. In the next month or so I might host a simple PYP game with maybe a few of these roles if that is something people are interested in.