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has risk.nuke rolled scum yet? | ||
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On February 14 2013 07:38 Zessionar wrote: ##vote: risk.nuke he has a 26,66 % chance to flip scum. kinda silly since tl town's dont random lynch | ||
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On February 15 2013 00:54 Hopeless1der wrote: I voted for you because I find YOU suspicious, and I felt Vivax was going to jump all over me for not voting because he's pigheaded that way. + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 00:20 Vivax wrote: Show me these false accusations and exaggerated conclusions please. COMING RIGHT UP, SIR! On February 14 2013 21:28 Vivax wrote: If you look at the posting timeline between 09:17 and 11:03, Zessionar sticks out. Would you need explanation for what grush said? Is there a followup by Zess? Does this look like a useful question? No. Missing Response Here? (See spoiler) + Show Spoiler + On February 14 2013 11:00 WeWinMafia wrote: funny. And here I thought we already had some of those guys. Oh there it is Again, pointless question, no followup in front of obvious troll votes by grush and Oo. 2 questions while lurking in a 2 hour timeline, no generation of discussion whatsoever, no aggression, but looks serious about what he's doing. Zess posted at 09:17, not WWM. Inconsequential in the grand scheme except it was a driving point about how he had 2 hours to do things, and didn't do things. The timestamps are even in the post you quoted. You completely ignored the followup to grush. It wasn't terrific, but it was there, and to me looks more trolly than serious, contrary to your last sentence. Certainly, a difference in opinion, but when you willfully exclude information to suit your read, it looks scummy. I asked you to verify your standpoint by revisiting the filters you so haphazardly dove, and instead you've spit in my face. However, I know you can be an abrasive player. Which is why I went out of my way to point out that I know you'd already answered the question I asked. I still wanted it answered again. The lapse in you reading Zess as WWM's filter might explain why you were confused, instead of pushing a scummy read with no backing. Why would this worry you if your town? | ||
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On February 15 2013 01:19 sandroba wrote: @laya hopeless looks quite townie to me so far, why focus on him with your overwhelming activity? i basically never post between 2:00am and 4pm GMT because i am asleep/doing work Hopeless1der jumps on zessionar immediately after zessionar says why he voted for risk and despite how aggressive he is in his attacks i don't feel like Hopeless1der justify's himself. It's as if he just wanted somebody to attack so he could get a vote down. | ||
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On February 15 2013 01:51 yamato77 wrote: Marv I would say looks quite town, yes. I don't know about risk, but the fact that he's looking at Zess is encouraging. I do think Zess is likely mafia at this point. His attempts at "scum hunting" are truly pathetic. In future could you less vague when you call someone scum? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I'm also ill and doing work TT | ||
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yamato is willing to call zessionar scum and vote for him but he continues to post without backing up his vote even when asked. ##vote yamato77 | ||
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He also jumps from "Zess being stupid with that vote" to "I do think Zess is likely mafia at this point. His attempts at "scum hunting" are truly pathetic. + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 00:33 yamato77 wrote: I've never seen syllo and sandro in the game at the same time, yet I'm supposed to know they're all buddy buddy all the time? Zess being stupid with that vote. Why are you trying to accuse me over questioning syllo's intentions? + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 01:51 yamato77 wrote: Marv I would say looks quite town, yes. I don't know about risk, but the fact that he's looking at Zess is encouraging. I do think Zess is likely mafia at this point. His attempts at "scum hunting" are truly pathetic. Suddenly zess being "stupid" has become zess is "bad" and "is mafia" because of this. The criticism is the same in both cases but the conclusion changes. When asked to clarify why zess is scum he describes his scumhunting as "careless" which tend to be a townie trait. And that he shows a "disregard for justification" which he himself has also shown.+ Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 02:00 yamato77 wrote: I'm attacking how he is scum hunting, which is carelessly and with no regard for justification. I think yamato felt that he could safely put his vote on zessionar following (Artanis[Xp] and Hopeless1der) because he had been the center of discussion. He was not prepared to back it up because he has no good reasons and because he is mafia and wants to get his vote down and hide from attention. | ||
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on day1... ... (non european-time zoners should pause and feel shame at this point) ... I am not satisfied with yamato's response. he write a lot but he says very little: + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 16:20 yamato77 wrote: Let me walk you through my thought process on Zess, since that seems to be what people think I'm not explaining. When someone starts the game as he did, voting a player under "random" pretensions, I immediately am inclined to think they're mafia. It's a very dumb way to look like you're playing around and being funny with the rest of town, when in reality you're starting what sometimes becomes a trend, establishing an early atmosphere of voting people on a whim, for almost no reason at all. It is in these types of environments that mafia thrive. And indeed, it did turn into a trend as soon as he threw his vote on me for something completely townie, and barely justifying it. How is me trying to figure out people's alignments scummy? To be clear, when I "insinuated" that Mattchew/Syllo were mafia, I was in the process of attempting to get information that would lead me toward their alignment. i consider the possibility that they are mafia, because in some way, what they're doing could come from a mafia perspective. In fact, since that time, the information I've been able to ascertain has told me the opposite, they seem town. Why does he want to paint me scum so quick for this? And indeed, when I indirectly ask about his read, he says he hasn't called me scum. What sense does this make? If anything, it only serves to strengthen my bias against him, that he's not playing to figure out my alignment, he's playing to stir shit up with me and fuck off with his reads. His other "reads" have been very noncommittal, especially with regards to Marv, where he says he "agrees with Toad" (who has voted for Marv) and then lists a whole bunch of reasons he isn't jumping on it. Waiting for the opportune moment, I presume? Perhaps I haven't really explained myself thoroughly up to this point, but when you look at him from my perspective, Zess' play makes no sense for a townie. The fact that he's continued to be spammy and contentless since my early vote on him only serves to steel my resolve. Dude is mafia. I don't know how he as a player thinks but i do know that as mafia it is quite tempting to attack things that you feel are bad instead of things that look scummy. His 2 paragraph serves no real purpose, its a defense against an accusation that nobody really remembers. His 3rd paragraph is more or less "zess tries to paint me scum"-> "zess is trying to throw me off my game"-> "zess is scum" The main reason he provides is that zessionar is "spammy and contentless", but that is no longer the case and is not what i would typically expect mafia play to look like when the thread has been so quiet at times and when zess had no meta based expectations for posting. So yamato still looks bad his vote is still suspicious and you should still vote to kill him + Show Spoiler + I also didn't see it as a wagon since i didn't notice the zess and vivax votes, but please don't let that term cause you to dismiss him as someone we shouldn't be lynching. | ||
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On February 16 2013 04:26 HiroPro wrote: layabout, what is your opinion on marvellosity? marvellosity's posts feel like they are coming from a town perspective and he has picked up a number of things that i have. He is not a viable or sensible lynch so it doesn't really matter. I asked why he had given up on Hopeless1der since at the moment Hopeless1der appears to be riding thread momentum and placing his vote accordingly. + Show Spoiler + sorry for the delayed response i was at dinner.+ Show Spoiler + catered halls be crazy+ Show Spoiler + did you miss the spoilers?+ Show Spoiler + because i did | ||
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i know artanis made a post but i personally found it unconvincing and it wasn't the cause of the votes. | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:28 risk.nuke wrote: I'm still can't see Zess as being supersoft. Earlier I felt like killing him and the only thing stopping me was the lurkers. My sentiment haven't changed. I will back a lynch on someone who've done jack this game. Otherwise ##Vote: Zessionar REALLY? | ||
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AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Even if he was convinced that zess is mafia (which seems unlikely) i find it very hard to believe that he as town would try to achieve a no-lynch. Even if you hadn't been reading the thread at that point yamato was lurking hard and was a better option than no-lynching because of that. | ||
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Mattchew as mafia if you don't think you can save your teammate you want to be on the wagon since you look better, especially when it's close. not sure if that happened though | ||
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I feel like marv is town but it might be beneficial to discuss and clarify why people are suspicious of him. I think we should lynch some of the opposition to yesterday's lynch and at the moment for me that's grush57 or ObviousOne. | ||
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but both of them look pretty town. hopeless's first vote occurred when i was there was very little pressure on yamato, and he easily has justified moving to and stayingon zessionar. It makes little sense for him to be mafia. | ||
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On February 17 2013 10:16 Vivax wrote: What makes you think Zess is town, and how is the justification of his Zess vote genuine when it was in response to marv's suspicion? I need to proof read more, that sentence reads quite badly. What i meant was that hopeless1der's initial vote on yamato makes little sense as mafia, there was no real pressure on yamato+ Show Spoiler + (since my posts in general haven't carried much weight and the other votes where unexplained or joke votes by players without thread presence) + Show Spoiler + Hope that's clearer and answers your question Hopeless1eder does need to explain why he went for yamato over zess though. As to why zess is town i'm not sure if i can fully explain but he has been active, agressive and he has produced content. Reading through his filter it seems like if he is mafia then he has a very strange mindset. (plus syllo said so.) | ||
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Vivax, ObviuosOne, grush57, Coagulation, mattchew. Of these i would prefer to kill ObviuosOne. ObviousOne opposes the yamato lynch and attempts to communicate as ineffectively as possible. I really can't make my mind up on grush57, On the one hand his posting is light hearted and non very seriuos. He votes several times without putting more thought or making an effort to back it up, since he is just playing around. One of the few posts in which he does attempt to explain something properly is here: On February 16 2013 03:56 grush57 wrote: So, first yamato. Even though he isn't as active as lxiii where he was town, it strikes me as similar playstyle between the two. Plus attacking zess is a good thing, I don't think he should be lynched today. Sure he hasn't done too much yet but that could be out of his control/ plus there are better targets. Also I agree with marv's post as people are bandwagoning him without reason. WeWinMafia Pretty antitown dude with the smurfing stuff, I don't think his super early game stuff didn't really indicate either role as it is d1,. I'm not sure he is being his Toad self, of which I have never been good at identifying their role. Also I think risk nuke should be our other top candiate for lynching. He lurks, pops in saying the same list of people who haven't done much, and then leaves. He defends Yamato and mentions that there are better targets. Since he doesn't mention anybody else i presume he means toad and risk nuke. What is strange is that here and here he uses yamato's absence to defend him but he also pushes and then votes risk.nuke for being absent. He also stops to shit on toad which is something mafia tend to do more so than town. | ||
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As i read it, it's more down to what you were complaining about than who it involved. That he felt you sounded like "butthurt mafia that wasted a roleblock" since mafia are more likely to make a post like you did than town. Is marv still making sense? I notice he keeps emphasizing how important and how townie hammering makes you which is strange since mafia have and will hammer if they think they need to. I am pretty sure we did it in c9++. i am not sorry for triple posting because of all the time in between. | ||
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and you need to get votes off of yamato voters, there is almost certainly mafia that didn't end up on him | ||
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what are you gonna do if mattchew doesn't come back and why him over coag? | ||
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If we remove the people who i think are non-mafia mattchew is the only one left, so i guess we should kill him. ##vote: mattchew Is there anything left to do other than wait for the flip? I feel like posting some lists. | ||
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i'm a bit annoyed i gave up on vivax so easily | ||
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In which case he owes us a paint drawing of him eating a hat. | ||
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I think your team was unlucky in that a lot a townies really did a good job looking town. Plus sandro being a vet is quite harsh given the low KP reminds me of kita being a hider in storm and However you have to realize that from town's perspective it was quite difficult to work out who the mafia are and there were not all that many confirmed townies. Why didn't your team push me on day 1? I wasn't doing much and sandro suspected me of being mafia iirc. | ||
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killing strong players can be great but there were other people in this game that looked town and would not get protected. | ||
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