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On February 07 2013 18:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I wanted to lynch risk.nuke once for being a meanie. Radfield dickslapped me and so I shot the Godfather instead. The moral of this story is: risk.nuke is always a townie...and never not a townie. Spare the risk.nuke, spoil the mafia agenda. Or something like that. BYE I didn't know WBG already sent out the roles, VisceraEyes. | ||
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On February 14 2013 07:13 Coagulation wrote: hey guys im town. Clear scumtell, scum. Only scum would claim to be town while not actually town. You mind as well confess now. | ||
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##vote: Zessionar For making statements that don't make sense. | ||
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On February 14 2013 21:25 Zessionar wrote: anyway... do you think syllos play is strange if he's town? No, because you want to get information out of others since you already know your own role. You can do that by pressure or by asking questions. Since apparently they have history, I don't find it surprising he'd go after Sandroba. if not, do you think yamatos question implies that it's strange? if yes, do think it's scummy to call syllos play strange, when it actually isnt strange at all? His post was before risk clarified that syllo and sandroba knew eachother well and that they can tell if the other is scum quickly. If he simply didn't understand the logic behind it, then I would consider it null. If he does know about their meta, then I'd consider it slightly strange/scummy. I would assume they have meta from the way syllo formulated his question, but I can understand the question. | ||
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On February 14 2013 21:29 Vivax wrote: Zess, scumreads? Do you think I'm town? Why are you asking someone if they think you're town, especially this early in the game? | ||
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Can't think of any where asking about scumreads wouldn't be better than town reads. Speaking of which. Who do you currently think is scum? | ||
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On February 14 2013 22:17 Vivax wrote: Mattchew and WeWin have made bad posts so far, layabout didn't give a fuck about the votes on him and his activity has been grotesque. What about your scumreads?You think I'm town? I don't like Risk.nuke questioning posts that are obviously meant as a joke and taking them seriously (Zessioniar's initial vote), then defending himself by saying he's a poor scum player. I don't like WeWin or hiro for keeping information from town but I don't put much weight on it. I don't think Mattchew looks scum, that post doesn't feel scummy to me. Bad, yes, but not scummy. I also don't like your posts because they focus a lot on you and trying to find out what your image is. If you're town, you should be finding scum, not trying to find out how other people think about you. The post on WeWin I like though. Points out the same thing Risk.Nuke was doing; taking peopel posting for a laugh too serious. Considering both things you're null to me. | ||
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On February 14 2013 22:29 Mattchew wrote: Artanis what do you think of Vivax's scumreads post Anyone can name three names, but there's not much to go off yet. It doesn't really say anything to me other than information to help with reads later. | ||
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On February 14 2013 22:40 Vivax wrote: Artanis, why hasn't a single of your posts been directed towards these players if you have reason to believe they are scum? WinWin and HiroPro were already being pressured with the exact question I had, so I didn't feel the need to post it as well. I also don't see what answer risk.nuke could give to a question regarding not taking my post seriously yet taking that of Zess serious in any way that would help my read on him since it was about a gut response that would now be reasoned. Also, it's only a small tell to me, not enough to judge someone over immediately. I'd rather see if he gives me more reason to suspect him in future interactions. | ||
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On February 15 2013 04:28 Zessionar wrote: how is revealing me "protown" especially after i revealed myself to toad... Because then we have a reference point for how you usually play so we can figure you out rather than you remaining an enigma? Meta can help heaps, obviously. On February 15 2013 01:18 risk.nuke wrote: What are you talking about, are we playing the same game? I questioned somebody who put their vote on me. How did you interpret his post as obviously a joke? Furthermore I didn't say I'm a poor scumplayer to defend myself. I used the empirical evidence that I hadn't performed well as scum to prove that his claimed reasoning was false or more to the point, made up. So if you vote on someone it's suddenly serious? In that case, I suggest we analyze ObviousOne and Grush57 for their votes on LayAbout too. I don't think anyone that uses the average chance of lynching a mafia as reasoning is being serious, though with how he's been playing I may have been wrong on that. Zess, do you feel you're playing well this game? Do you think posting a lot of oneliners is better for town than putting your thoughts concisely into one post? If not, why are you doing so? | ||
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frantic: On February 15 2013 01:03 Zessionar wrote: where are you going with that shit, marv? do you want to make me look bad because of my super-earlygame posts? screw you. discussion ends right here. horribly reasoned: On February 14 2013 08:41 Zessionar wrote: i picked risk.nuke, because he's decent as scum and useless and paranoid as town... if he's town, i hope he'll prove me wrong this game... Without content Downright atrocious: On February 15 2013 02:18 Zessionar wrote: Another topic: Masons, claim! In general your game has been horrible. I don't know if you're scum or bad town, but I don't see any better candidate so far. How about you take your own advice and reason why your list is good? I'm guessing it's going to come down to the amount of posts, which is a terrible reason as you have a shitton of posts which amount to nothing. Furthermore On February 14 2013 21:25 Zessionar wrote: i am not sure if it's alignment indicative just yet. but yes, i never thought about pretending i am someone else, like he is... at least not as town, since smurfing in general is rather antitown - confusing everyone else with even more strange stuff seems to be too much. but he just could have made that part up, to keep his identity covered. right now he looks like toadesstern to me... with all the smilies... anyway... do you think syllos play is strange if he's town? if not, do you think yamatos question implies that it's strange? if yes, do think it's scummy to call syllos play strange, when it actually isnt strange at all? You say here that smurfing is anti town, yet you decided to smurf yourself without giving away your identity immediately after getting your role. Yet later, you state On February 15 2013 04:28 Zessionar wrote: how is revealing me "protown" especially after i revealed myself to toad... So smurfing is antitown, yet YOU getting revealed is antitown. Care to explain? | ||
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On February 15 2013 23:34 Zessionar wrote: because a townie that wants to win is either honest and says he didnt do his homework or he fucking does his homework and doesnt come up with terrible cases. first four players... speedanalysis... Are you serious? | ||
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On February 15 2013 23:40 Zessionar wrote: I said ____IN GENERAL____ IF you FAIL to read, I cannot help you Idiot. If you'd just read some of my former games, you'd see that i fucking die extremely early if i reveal myself. Calling people idiots is generally not a good way to hold a discussion. I also see precious little reason to presume you'd get shot early given how you've been playing. Last two games: Dessert: I got the Serialkiller day1 but couldnt get him lynched, Scumteam AND Serialkiller shot me night1 we lost that game Toads mafiagame: I got shot n2 and I correctly named the last two remaining scumteammembers in my final list. We won that game ________________ if I smurf and make sure, that I survive to day3, we win this game. So the general rule doesnt apply for me. Though I didn't know that, I'm not about to rely on you winning us the game by day 3. I haven't seen your previous game. I'm expecting you to prove to me THIS game that you're an 'exception', and so far you've been playing poorly (until these cases at least which I still need to read through more thoroughly) | ||
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On February 15 2013 23:34 Zessionar wrote: 2. ObviousOne Filter: 1 page this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397206&user=263107 old VT day1 game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&user=263107 he's really only trolling this game. He was playing much more serious in his last game. either blue or scum. makes no sense as VT - trolling newbie players that are VT are definetely playing against their wincondition. He stays in the lynchlist. His activity was certainly a lot greater in that game. I agree that he's a decent candidate for now. Going through his filter for another game confirms he's usually more active on D1. It's a good indication, and the best thing there is to go off now. 4. Mattchew Filter: 1 page Vivax I think I underestimated your actual abilities and underestimated your confidence... These lead to a misguided read on you... I don't necessarily agree with how you've started this game but I'm leaning a little more null on you... Revealing supersoft is pretty towny IMO too. "is pretty townie" i'd like to hear why this is pretty townie tbh. I don't know why he's buddying up with vivax. Mattchews playstyle makes no sense to me so far. He has no goal... But well could be game specific... He should stay in the lynchlist for now Matt's activity on Acme was considerably higher. However, in Liquid City Mafia his activity was pretty low as well, where he was town. I wouldn't consider the filter length to be indicative of Matt scum, and Marvellosity's reputation as being unreadable day 1 I consider a valid excuse. I don't see buddying as a tell one way or the other, so he's null to me. 7. HiroPro Filter: 1 page "Also I demand that marvellosity share who this person he wanted to lynch in the beginning was." This is kind of townish. As scum i don't really want to remind marv of his secret target... I'd let him off the hook for today :-/ I mean his mostcount surely looks terrible but everyones post count looks terrible... For some reason you left out that he claimed to have a great case on Yamato which was basically based on him asking two questions that he considered strange. That said, I don't think it's scummy as much as Hiro just being dumb. I see no scum motivation for it. I agree that the demand on marv is sort of townish as it's a gamble as scum. 10. Hopeless1der Filter the whole discussion about my game-starter-vote on risk seems to be so exagerated from my point of view... I think it was obvious, that this vote had almost no deeper meaning... Maybe it's my fault that people put too much thinking into this... I think accusing me for that randomvote was the perfect situation for scum to look like contributing. don't know if hopeless is just bad and didnt see how unimportant that whole thing was, or i am bad that i put too much effort into explaining something, that had no explanation in the first place or he's scum... "I voted for you because I find YOU suspicious, and I felt Vivax was going to jump all over me for not voting because he's pigheaded that way." hmmm i don't like that very much... it's so weak. These votes on me are just terrible. I if you're town and you want to win, you don't want to lynch me. That's just dumb. To be fair, you weren't very clear about joking that risk was decent as scum and paranoid as town. Seemed like a serious and terrible post to me, and I can understand Hopeless' reasoning. He didn't accuse you for the vote, but rather for your statement. Anyway, this is decent enough for me to back off on you for now. ObviousOne looks pretty bad. ##Unvote ##Vote: ObviousOne | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:06 Zessionar wrote: Marv start producing something... I appreciate that you defend me against artanis and vivax, but I think everyone with a brain obviously sees how useless these guys are... Quit the trashtalk, seriously. If you're actually town you don't want to antagonize other people for no reason. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:10 sandroba wrote: Alright I'll settle on lynching toad then. Does anyone have any compeling reason to believe the dude is town? I still need to take another look at him, but he was on my previous shortlist. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:11 Zessionar wrote: I am glad you decided to play with the big boys. What do you think of syllo and do you think we really should lynch obviousone today? Syllo's opening is null, since if he and Sandro know eachother very well they'd try to WIFOM eachother if one is scum and the other isn't. I think his reasoning for calling you townie is poor. I don't think spammy needs to mean someone's townie, especially if they're experienced players, which supposedly you are. Syllo seems to be full of doubt in his posts On February 14 2013 21:42 syllogism wrote: Vivax I assume you mean WeWinMafia, not Zessionar, in which case I agree. I don't consider it likely that he was going to fake claim Sandroba no matter which alignment he rolled, in particular with me playing. It's difficult to assign a mafia or town motivation for that "i prepared a bunch of traits pregame so i can fake claim whomever" post, but the post doesn't seem to serve any discernable purpose. It feels to me like a post that he believes will be interpreted as towny, which could be a mafia motivation. WeWinMafia if you are town, you should claim your identity because some of what I said above is only applicable if you are who I think you are. He interprets it as something that could have mafia motivation, but it might also not. Overall, a very noncommittal post which tries to feel out where other people are before committing to something. I'd expect him to pressure stronger if he was town so he could find the information to be sure. Looking at his meta though in games like iGrok's strange land he tends to like to ask questions, though I couldn't find his alignment in here because I'm dumb. In Chrono Trigger however, he posted a ton and had significantly less questions and seemed to be more willing to be assertive. He was leading the town, whereas now he's been sitting more in the background. He's sitting in the background too much, I don't like it. | ||
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What would be expected of marv/toad/syllo in this situation is that they started trying to be useful and produce a lynch. | ||
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On February 14 2013 09:42 WeWinMafia wrote: I actually prepared a couple of trademark traits pregame to toss around d1 so that I can claim whoever I want to claim later on if I feel like it. Claiming Sandro for example was the reason for picking this particular nick but as he joined the game there's no way I'll be using that one, so no problem telling you guys. Have fun guessing. Seems like a weird claim since Syllo joined, but he could've meant that it was a possibility if both syllo and sandro weren't in the game. However, it clutters up the thread and provides no meaningful information yet it can derail the thread in a discussion about this topic. On February 15 2013 01:18 WeWinMafia wrote: sure, here you go: Not outrageous but people trolling each other. Usually that kind of stuff attracts new guys and they ask what's going on, just like Grush thought it would happen. a (supposedly?) random vote done by Zess 30 minutes into the game. Again, something people usually talk about early on if they don't know the guy who's proposing it. Again Zess and me trolling each other when there's nothing in the thread yet. I replied with utter bullshit and he replied with utter bullshit to my bullshit. Got to admit I was laughing pretty good around that time especially when I saw Coags smurf comment. So that's why I wanted him to explain. From my point of view we had a bunch of people trolling each other, not being serious, except for risk who got in the thread defending himself because of a random (?) vote on him by some nobody noone was taking serious anyways. So if anything I would have expected grush to say something along the lines of "weird that noone's picking up on those things" rather than have him state that none of those things exist, which made me think he's either not reading or taking everything serious. When he answered the laya/risk-question I realized that I asked grush that question and that I'm not going to get anything useful out of him anyways so I ignored him. I thought he might answer seriously because I considered risk's behavior early on to be overdefensive for no reason and grush had him down as one of the two guys to lynch as well so I assumed he in serious mode. Large ball of fluff giving very little information. On February 15 2013 03:32 WeWinMafia wrote: just because you don't know how to properly mason doesn't mean noone else does... You're making it almost look like you want to treat claimed masons as confirmed town when there is no reason to do such a thing in a closed set-up. ESPECIALLY with you telling people we want them claimed it's a good move for mafia and there's plenty other ways to deal with masons: Force them to do what I did last time I rolled mason. Don't let people get away with masoning people like Grush or Vivax d1 and expect people to mason people like Sandro / Syllo / Marv if there are masons to begin with. Mafias usually are to afraid to mason people like that and if they do it nevertheless who cares, plently of time for strong people to figure them out in pm-land. A planned mason claim just adds chaos for no gain at all... Correct, but again, more setup talk and nothing regarding alignments yet. Something he also did in the game I hosted where he hydra'd with I believe Marv. Kept talking about the setup with little scumhunting being done, but doing just enough so people presumed he was town. On February 15 2013 03:50 WeWinMafia wrote: It's really hard to play this game if it's just the two of us and Marv tossing in a useless oneliner inbetween every now and then... Marvs filter looks pretty atrocious right now: ##vote marvellosity I'm off getting myself something to eat because my Schnitzel just turned into a junk of black coal. So I've got to go to McD again. I'm expecting something by the time I'm back Vote with no justification other than "filter looks atrocious", no case or anything. Wants other people to do his dirty work. On February 15 2013 06:48 WeWinMafia wrote: funny how we have Coag, marv, Syllo, Sandro and layabout pretty much ignoring the thread right now and grush is totally fine with it. I get that a lot of those people are usually quiet early on but the thread is dead as already pointed out... But whatever, yes I'm talking out of my ass and Zess is apparently doing the same hoping we get some activity here somehow. Won't keep on pretending like anyone is interested in talking if noone is... So see you around midnight, probably will be done around that time. Claims to be active, but all his posts pretty much consist of fluff, including this one. On February 15 2013 07:48 WeWinMafia wrote: So just to get this straight: I ask you to do something Marv, you basicly tell me to shut the fuck up in an agressive manner because it's how you usually play d1 (agree) and proceed to tackle coag nontheless after people just delurked? I'm totally fine with what you just said but that in combination with the timing makes your "shut up I do what I want"-post really overagressive. Odd to say the least. Just a funny coincidence you only now realized Coag looks bad or did that have something to do with my plea to come up with something yourself? It makes no sense unless you felt like you should do something imo. Emphasize on "should". More interested in confrontation rather than helping town further. Yeah, I don't like toad. His posts are full of fluff and wants other people to do his work. He talks more about setup then anything else, and claims to be active while not actually saying anything. That said, there is a careless aura about him that makes me wonder. Nevertheless.. ##Unvote ##Vote: WeWinMafia | ||
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On February 16 2013 01:17 Mattchew wrote: i think that artanis is asking a lot of questions without drawing a ton of actual conclusions. He is also commenting a lot on the general play of individuals and the overal game instead of focusing on what I would consider scum hunting. He is blending in really well IMO. Marv, syllo and Sandroba what do you think of this? How am I asking a lot of questions? I asked one to Sandro, for the rest I've analyzed a bunch of cases. I just don't think any of them are that strong. Strongest being on Toad so far for posting a bunch of fluff, but I've only seen Toad in scum games so I don't know if he does it as Town. My conclusion from analyzing the filters is that Toad is scummiest so far, so I voted for him. As for yourself, why haven't you been contributing? You've been asking more questions then I have and drawing even less conclusions, plus literally no scumhunting, unless you count questions which you just accused me of as trying to blend in. | ||
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On February 16 2013 01:28 WeWinMafia wrote: 2) How is that fluff. Sandro asked me to be more specific about it and I got more specific about it. Yes it's nothing alignment indicating I'm mentioning because I pointed out things that could have been odd but didn't end up being odd. That's because I was asked to... Fair enough. 3) Zess was pushing for a mason claim. I thought it's a bad idea. You think I should have ignored it? Of course I'm going to tell him I don't claims if he wants something as drastical as claims on d1. It's fluff because you said something in 6 lines that you could've said in one: It's a terrible idea because it can be abused by scum and they might try to use it as a ploy. 4) It's called a pressure vote because again, he did nothing but oneliners up to that point and I wanted him to start doing something. It worked out I might add. Pressure votes tend to mean a lot more when you actually expand about them and give your opinion. You spend your time more on things that aren't alignment indicative rather than using the time to analyze players and find who's scum. It seems like you're more interested in keeping a status quo than doing research. 5 Idk, not much to say here other than that I disagree. Yes I post some fluff, probably more than most people. No I don't consider everything in my filter fluff like you make it out to be. You'll find that to be true in every single game I play. I usually do bullshit on d1 on purpose to get some conversations going even if that means it's on the back of me and I did get some criticism for it postgame sometimes but I still think it's the best to do if town is sleeping. You can't get content out of thin air, you have to start somewhere and that's how I do it. Do you have links to some games where you were town in mini games? Preferably recent, and anyone may answer that. | ||
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It'd be great if said players could confirm that. Can't go through the filter of those games right now myself. However, I wasn't the only one suspicious of you. It'd be nice if people like sandro spoke up and said what they thought. | ||
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On February 16 2013 02:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think 3 and 4 are opposed to eachother at all. In 3, you expand a lot on something that is trivial at best, yet in 4 you accuse someone of scum without providing any backing for it. Your posts about trivial things are big, yet your one accusatory post is unreasoned. Do you understand my problem with where you spend your energy? It'd be great if said players could confirm that. Can't go through the filter of those games right now myself. However, I wasn't the only one suspicious of you. It'd be nice if people like sandro spoke up and said what they thought. Tell me how my exchange with toad influenced your reads and why. Also, why did you think he was scum in the first place? Please give me something more than 'a general feel'. | ||
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## unvote ##vote: Zessionar My reasons have already been stated. | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:20 Zessionar wrote: i am actually so sad, that i couldnt get this scummarv killed d1. He painted me red in the eyes of the newbs. And if he succeeds i won't play with anyone who voted for me ever again. This sort of shit is unacceptable to say, what the fuck. You don't blackmail people like this. | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:43 WeWinMafia wrote: picture gonzaw on steriods in the famous game we're supposed to never forget (god I can't remember game names...). That's how yamato plays as townie. Are there any games we know of Yamato where he's scum? Is it noticably different? | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:45 marvellosity wrote: yes, it's noticeably different. here he's just not posted at all for a long period, which is unlike him for either alignment. So that doesn't make him scum. It just makes him null. Why are we trying to get a null lynched? | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:48 marvellosity wrote: a null lynch is better than a no-lynch? But why did a wagon start on a null to begin with? | ||
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Or because scum saw an easy wagon on an inactive Yamato that's playing outside of his usual meta, an easy push to get away from candidates that are currently scum. That the wagon is bad to me suggests he's more likely to be town. | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:55 marvellosity wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Zessionar don't even care if i get lynched for it. i want him out my game. Everyone please follow suit. | ||
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I still want to kill Zessionar for being a cunt though. | ||
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Also, half the evening I was posting from my cellphone whilst at a gig in honor of my Dad's 60th birthday. I might not have been as observant then as I normally am. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:39 Vivax wrote: But people suddenly joining in and wanting to lynch me was perfectly fine? That includes you by the way. Without mentioning a single reason. I didn't include a single reason because I just remember lots of people calling your current play bad, and I didn't think scum would try to start a whole new train this far in the lynch so it felt genuine. I didn't have the time to go into it further. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:40 WeWinMafia wrote: Would you rather look into people who voted him early? I would rather look into what connections were made with Yamato early in the game when he wasn't at risk of getting lynched yet, yes. | ||
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On February 16 2013 19:15 syllogism wrote: Did you make this image on your cellphone? On February 16 2013 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'll be back before the deadline to change to vivax if that actually takes off and zess doesn't. WIth this, I meant that I was going home. You'll see my next post was almost an hour later, as I had gone home. On February 16 2013 19:37 risk.nuke wrote: Okey, I'd like some reasoning from everyone that voted on anyone. Zess/yamato voters why you voted one over the other. I don't care if it's "I just sheeped x" as long as it's true. And if what pathetically little some of you had for reasoning really is all you had that is fine too but you will be held accountable for that. I only voted to ensure a lynch. I had a bad feeling about Yamato's flip but in the end I decided on a whim that him flipping was better than no flip at all. | ||
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Coagulation, do you have anything to add to the discussion? Any explanation why grush or risk.nuke are scum, presuming that wasn't a horrible joke? | ||
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On February 17 2013 00:32 layabout wrote: artanis, what do you think about grush? His filter looks horrendous, he seems to be putting in no effort into the game and he was on pretty much everyone's ass but Yamato's. I wouldn't shed a tear if he got shot this night. Hard to tell between a townie that's putting in no effort or scum trying to look as such though. | ||
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He did actually say that though. On February 16 2013 07:33 marvellosity wrote: i'd no lynch. anyway no-one wants to lynch vivax, so it gotta be yamato. ##Unvote ##Vote: yamato | ||
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On February 17 2013 03:32 WeWinMafia wrote: yeah, awesome :D I want you guys to explain me how you search & find these things... I can't find shit on TL and need to learn how to properly learn stuff. Thanks anyways. Click profile on a user, click the total posts and then click (All Forums) and change it to TL Mafia. | ||
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On February 17 2013 03:43 Coagulation wrote: not particularly. I do expect a little bit of accountability to be upheld when someone claims that I "Claimed mafia" in thread. Know wut im sayin? Well, I don't think people have very high expectations of you currently. Also On February 17 2013 00:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Coagulation, do you have anything to add to the discussion? Any explanation why grush or risk.nuke are scum, presuming that wasn't a horrible joke? | ||
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On February 17 2013 04:02 Coagulation wrote: Grush and Nuke both resisted lynching scum. I thought it was pretty obvious. And if he turned out to be town then that would make Marv and me scum? I was hoping for a bit more reasoning than that. | ||
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On February 17 2013 07:15 Vivax wrote: So, the guy has a gun now but couldn't choose who to shoot yet? Yeah, he can't shoot N1. | ||
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On February 17 2013 07:53 WeWinMafia wrote: btw I lied to see if marv has a spreadsheet. Good thing I didn't shoot Marv I guess. On February 17 2013 07:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I really hope Toad's just making a play here because I don't see Marv flipping red. Called it. | ||
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Also, this is interesting. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can we please get a warning on Zessionar for out of game threats? | ||
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On February 17 2013 19:06 syllogism wrote: I think we should eliminate one of the non-contributors today. I'm finding it almost impossible to form at mafia team that doesn't include at least one such a player and even if we miss, it's not a disaster. If you feel that the description applies to you, now is the time to start investing time in the game because the clock is ticking. Agreeing with this. Gonna check the filters of a few of these players. Too many people are flying under the radar whilst someone like marv with a massive filter as well as hammering scum is getting all the scrutiny. Mattchew barely has more than one page of filter, and risk.nuke, LayAbout and ObviousOne only on two. At least one of you is town guys, put in some effort. | ||
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Mario Mini - Hopeless has 8 pages of filter by D2 as town. To be fair, the activity on Mario was a lot bigger in general, but even taking that into account the two don't match up. In Mario, Hopeless was on top of everything. He responded to every little thing, made big cases, and in general played a very proactive game. In Acme, Hope1ess would focus his thoughts much more, writing concise, built up posts that seemed well thought out. From these two games, I extrapolate: A town hopeless tends to post exactly what he thinks as soon as he thinks it, will look into things he finds suspicious proactively and is active. A scum hopeless thinks over things and only posts after he's certain it's fine. Generally makes larger and fewer posts. He's also more analytical. In this game, I see hope1ess asking a lot of questions in the start and replying to other people's posts without them being about him necessarily. He also seems to be emotionally involved in the game evidenced by things like Pointless shit, say for example: mccurrywurst? which makes me feel that he actually felt offended by Zessionar's way of talking, something I'd consider townie. His vote also moves around a lot which is something he didn't do in his scum game, though he didn't do it in his townie game that I checked much either.I don't think scum would be as bold as to simply say "I accept" to a case and vote on them for that. Call it WIFOM, but I think that indicates he's town more than that he's scum. That he ended up voting for Yamato, regardless of the circumstances, I'd consider something going in his favor as well. As for wanting Zess dead, I did too and I can see the justification for it easily, as I wanted him dead myself too. Hopeless seems relaxed in the game and he's definitely not my first candidate for termination. | ||
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On February 17 2013 22:18 ObviousOne wrote: Is there anything about Coag at this point that you want my opinion on? I've listed him in my current scum team along with grush, the one player we seem to agree on at this point. Is there enough here to get a meta read on him? Not that I'm suggesting I go with a meta read alone as a case on Coag. Simply asking it its worth the effort in his case. I'd like your opinion on Coag, Mattchew, Risk.nuke and Layabout. I also don't think Grush is scum after looking into his meta. | ||
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On February 17 2013 22:21 marvellosity wrote: just to note, my case came after Hopeless did that Fair enough. That weakens my town read on him slightly. Still think he's town though. | ||
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##vote: Mattchew Please stop being afk. | ||
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On February 18 2013 00:29 layabout wrote: artanis the list is just the people outside of the 9 that killed yamato no need to get mad. what are you gonna do if mattchew doesn't come back and why him over coag? Not mad, just found it funny to copy your post. Keep my vote on him unless he can't be lynched in which case I'll lynch whomever else I think is most scummy. I'm voting Matt because I want him to come back to the thread. If he's not coming back then he's either useless town or lurking scum. Voting on him might actually get more information regarding his alignment whereas I have little hope I'd get anything out of Coag right now since Coag does what Coag wants to do. | ||
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On February 18 2013 01:10 Mattchew wrote: this move is very interesting. This only seems significant if Zessionar is scum too, presuming you're talking about the grush switch. Otherwise he'd be going from a town lynch steering towards a no lynch which would not only look bad for him but also prevent a townie from dying. Do you suspect Zessionar? | ||
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On February 18 2013 01:35 Mattchew wrote: Its interesting from the vivax switch But vivax stayed on Zess on both of these unless I'm missing something. | ||
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##Unvote Just read the PM more closely and didn't realize the person I passed the gun to could shoot at any time. That's why I didn't mention it as I didn't want him to get roleblocked. I did pass it to Syllo, yeah. | ||
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I'm fine with a Risk.Nuke shot. Looks like a good shot at getting scum and even if we miss, we're still in a good position. | ||
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On February 18 2013 02:24 syllogism wrote: Sandro: does hopeless1der still look the same to you? Him jumping on the yamato wagon pretty early, then randomly switching to Zessionar only to fairly weakly unvote a bit later strikes suspicious to me. He didn't really explain why his yamato suspicions waned or why he found vivax more suspicious. His original reasons for voting yamato were still all applicable, but he didn't turn around until almost last possible moment. He also seemed to have forgotten why he found yamatos suspicious in the first place. | ||
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On February 18 2013 05:18 sandroba wrote: If you flip mafia I'll kill toad btw =P You have KP? O_O | ||
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Guys Let's lynch Syllogism, I have a good feeling about this. | ||
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On February 18 2013 05:37 Coagulation wrote: what? whats the point of that. yeah its strange. Scum have come back and won from farther behind and I dont know who these "plenty of people looking very green are" you sure dont look green. I'm practically confirmed town. Have you read the thread? | ||
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Sandroba, is claiming KPless SK a joke or was it genuine? | ||
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On February 19 2013 01:53 wherebugsgo wrote: 4. If anyone would like to discuss the Zessionar out-of-game threats or whatever now, feel free to do so. I do not intend to do anything about this but I am willing to entertain opinions about what classifies acceptable behavior with regard to out-of-game comments. I personally don't think he did anything wrong, but clearly there are some people who disagree with me. Yes. I found his comments completely out of line and would consider not playing with him again for that reason. Mafia is a game in which the boundary between playing to win and just having as much of a good time as possible blur quickly. I've hosted a MTG Mafia game myself where I believe Marv and Acrofales got into a massive argument as the result of a tunnel that lasted too long. I didn't actually step in until one of the players pointed it out by PM, after which I realized that it had indeed gone too far. It's a very emotional game to play. Calling players retards for not seeing you're town without providing arguments is something that creates an extremely hostile atmosphere, especially when you do it as often as supersoft has done in this game. Not only that, but actually going as far as using out of game threats (saying he wouldn't play with them anymore if they voted for him) is completely out of proportion. It furthermore has the problem that you either only say it as town and therefore indicate your alignment, or you're using grave threats and calling people moronic for things that are outright false. Perhaps it's become standard in TL Mafia games, I don't know as I haven't participated in many recently, but the tenacity and ferocity of some of these wordings really got to me, and it was hard to contain myself not to just tunnel him for exactly that as I hate that kind of arrogant behaviour. It's really something you need to encounter before realizing how frustrating it can be to play with that, so I don't blame bugs for not taking action. I'm curious to hear the rest of you guys' thoughts on it. Also, the lack of an apology, rather ignoring the issue and even calling it annoying ticked me off even further. | ||
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On February 19 2013 03:08 Zessionar wrote: Everyone plays a role in these games and I play my role to win. My threat of never playing with anyone who votes me again was oviously not meant to be taken seriously. Especially regarding the scumplayers on that list, since it's their job to kill me. And therefor I won't apologize for that. And if you agressively demand a warning over and over in the thread it is annoying. You were the one who couldnt distinguish ingame from out of game. Like I said, it's a grey area between playing to win and just enjoying yourself. I feel you've gone far too much into playing to win. At the end of the day, we all sign up because we enjoy playing, right? With the type of behaviour you showcased within the game you took away a large part of the enjoyment I had. Playing to win shouldn't be the end goal, playing to have fun should be. Winning is only part of that fun. That it was obvious that your threat wasn't serious isn't the case, as I wasn't aware of it and I'm sure I wasn't the only one, especially when you didn't revoke it when pushed regarding it. | ||
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On February 20 2013 18:11 wherebugsgo wrote: right-and that was only one player's pressure. syllo and sandro didn't look particularly better than marv at that point in the game. The only difference is that no one had attacked them and at least 2-3 people had attacked marv (among them were Zess and Toad). If mafia shed doubt on syllo and sandro, using the fact that neither of them really stepped it up on day 1, things might have looked different. They wouldn't even need to try to lynch them, just repeatedly call them out and throw dirt on them. Well, I think that part specifically is because no one dares to attack syllo/sandro as they have a reputation of figuring out each other's alignment easily. Scum knew they had to paint both Syllo and Sandro as scum if they wanted to get them lynched, which would've been a very hard thing to do. | ||
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On February 22 2013 00:23 Dandel Ion wrote: Rolling dice is half the fun of hosting. Just wait until I get green light on my RNG Mafia setup. Just you wait. Oh god, I have so many ideas for an RNG Mafia. You could have shots hit 80% of the time and livestream it as you open the RNG to decide the fate at the deadline. You could make it even more exciting if you announce who would or wouldn't be hit beforehand. | ||
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