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His activity was certainly a lot greater in that game. I agree that he's a decent candidate for now. Going through his filter for another game confirms he's usually more active on D1. It's a good indication, and the best thing there is to go off now.
4. Mattchew Filter: 1 page
Vivax I think I underestimated your actual abilities and underestimated your confidence... These lead to a misguided read on you... I don't necessarily agree with how you've started this game but I'm leaning a little more null on you... Revealing supersoft is pretty towny IMO too.
"is pretty townie"
i'd like to hear why this is pretty townie tbh.
I don't know why he's buddying up with vivax.
Mattchews playstyle makes no sense to me so far. He has no goal... But well could be game specific...
He should stay in the lynchlist for now
Matt's activity on Acme was considerably higher. However, in Liquid City Mafia his activity was pretty low as well, where he was town. I wouldn't consider the filter length to be indicative of Matt scum, and Marvellosity's reputation as being unreadable day 1 I consider a valid excuse. I don't see buddying as a tell one way or the other, so he's null to me.
7. HiroPro Filter: 1 page
"Also I demand that marvellosity share who this person he wanted to lynch in the beginning was."
This is kind of townish. As scum i don't really want to remind marv of his secret target...
I'd let him off the hook for today :-/
I mean his mostcount surely looks terrible but everyones post count looks terrible...
For some reason you left out that he claimed to have a great case on Yamato which was basically based on him asking two questions that he considered strange. That said, I don't think it's scummy as much as Hiro just being dumb. I see no scum motivation for it. I agree that the demand on marv is sort of townish as it's a gamble as scum.
10. Hopeless1der Filter Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 22:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On February 14 2013 08:41 Zessionar wrote:
i picked risk.nuke, because he's decent as scum and useless and paranoid as town...
if he's town, i hope he'll prove me wrong this game... Zess, how exagerated was this statement? You immediately backed off, but I'd like to hear about where you drew the conclusions that risk was A) decent as scum B) Useless and paranoid as town Either of the two would be acceptable, as I think you're scum for pulling reasons out of thin air with no justification. the whole discussion about my game-starter-vote on risk seems to be so exagerated from my point of view... I think it was obvious, that this vote had almost no deeper meaning... Maybe it's my fault that people put too much thinking into this... I think accusing me for that randomvote was the perfect situation for scum to look like contributing. don't know if hopeless is just bad and didnt see how unimportant that whole thing was, or i am bad that i put too much effort into explaining something, that had no explanation in the first place or he's scum... "I voted for you because I find YOU suspicious, and I felt Vivax was going to jump all over me for not voting because he's pigheaded that way." hmmm i don't like that very much... it's so weak. These votes on me are just terrible. I if you're town and you want to win, you don't want to lynch me. That's just dumb.
To be fair, you weren't very clear about joking that risk was decent as scum and paranoid as town. Seemed like a serious and terrible post to me, and I can understand Hopeless' reasoning. He didn't accuse you for the vote, but rather for your statement.
Anyway, this is decent enough for me to back off on you for now. ObviousOne looks pretty bad.
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On February 16 2013 00:06 Zessionar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 00:01 sandroba wrote:
@zessionar out of this list I would lynch laya, but I think that's not the list we should be looking at. Marv start producing something... I appreciate that you defend me against artanis and vivax, but I think everyone with a brain obviously sees how useless these guys are...
Quit the trashtalk, seriously. If you're actually town you don't want to antagonize other people for no reason.
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On February 16 2013 00:10 sandroba wrote:
Alright I'll settle on lynching toad then. Does anyone have any compeling reason to believe the dude is town?
I still need to take another look at him, but he was on my previous shortlist.
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On February 16 2013 00:11 Zessionar wrote:
I am glad you decided to play with the big boys.
What do you think of syllo and do you think we really should lynch obviousone today?
Syllo's opening is null, since if he and Sandro know eachother very well they'd try to WIFOM eachother if one is scum and the other isn't. I think his reasoning for calling you townie is poor. I don't think spammy needs to mean someone's townie, especially if they're experienced players, which supposedly you are. Syllo seems to be full of doubt in his posts On February 14 2013 21:42 syllogism wrote:
Vivax I assume you mean WeWinMafia, not Zessionar, in which case I agree. I don't consider it likely that he was going to fake claim Sandroba no matter which alignment he rolled, in particular with me playing. It's difficult to assign a mafia or town motivation for that "i prepared a bunch of traits pregame so i can fake claim whomever" post, but the post doesn't seem to serve any discernable purpose. It feels to me like a post that he believes will be interpreted as towny, which could be a mafia motivation.
WeWinMafia if you are town, you should claim your identity because some of what I said above is only applicable if you are who I think you are.
He interprets it as something that could have mafia motivation, but it might also not. Overall, a very noncommittal post which tries to feel out where other people are before committing to something. I'd expect him to pressure stronger if he was town so he could find the information to be sure. Looking at his meta though in games like iGrok's strange land he tends to like to ask questions, though I couldn't find his alignment in here because I'm dumb. In Chrono Trigger however, he posted a ton and had significantly less questions and seemed to be more willing to be assertive. He was leading the town, whereas now he's been sitting more in the background. He's sitting in the background too much, I don't like it.
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Oh, and regarding ObviousOne: At that point, from the filters I had read I liked him the least. I'm not sure between Syllo and OO right now, both seem like good targets though I'd expect more from Syllo given his history, so I'm edging towards him. First going to read up on Toad though before I change votes three times this quickly.
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Sandro, can you provide a better justification for why you think Toad is scum other than this? What would be expected of marv/toad/syllo in this situation is that they started trying to be useful and produce a lynch.
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On February 14 2013 09:42 WeWinMafia wrote:
I actually prepared a couple of trademark traits pregame to toss around d1 so that I can claim whoever I want to claim later on if I feel like it.
Claiming Sandro for example was the reason for picking this particular nick but as he joined the game there's no way I'll be using that one, so no problem telling you guys.
Have fun guessing.
Seems like a weird claim since Syllo joined, but he could've meant that it was a possibility if both syllo and sandro weren't in the game. However, it clutters up the thread and provides no meaningful information yet it can derail the thread in a discussion about this topic.
On February 15 2013 01:18 WeWinMafia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 00:25 sandroba wrote:On February 14 2013 11:00 WeWinMafia wrote:On February 14 2013 10:51 grush57 wrote:On February 14 2013 10:50 WeWinMafia wrote:On February 14 2013 10:47 grush57 wrote:
Anyone there who wants to join in?
Nobody has done something stupid yet to start a real discussion going. :'( Care to explain? Hello, nice to know your here. Usually someone does something outrageous so people can actually put opinions out on it to create actual discussion and then by how people react can clue in on their roles, ya see? funny. And here I thought we already had some of those guys. Care to point out what posts you found outrageous? This string of questions do indeed seem pointless especially given the lack of follow up. sure, here you go: Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 07:21 WeWinMafia wrote:
awesome Coag is town. Only 14 more people to figure out. Not outrageous but people trolling each other. Usually that kind of stuff attracts new guys and they ask what's going on, just like Grush thought it would happen. Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 07:38 Zessionar wrote:
##vote: risk.nuke
he has a 26,66 % chance to flip scum. a (supposedly?) random vote done by Zess 30 minutes into the game. Again, something people usually talk about early on if they don't know the guy who's proposing it. Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 07:41 Zessionar wrote:On February 14 2013 07:37 WeWinMafia wrote:
anyone could say that now that we have established this method of figuring out people... well, but since I think I know why you think he's town, I think both of you are town and you're even more townish to me. Again Zess and me trolling each other when there's nothing in the thread yet. I replied with utter bullshit and he replied with utter bullshit to my bullshit. Got to admit I was laughing pretty good around that time especially when I saw Coags smurf comment. So that's why I wanted him to explain. From my point of view we had a bunch of people trolling each other, not being serious, except for risk who got in the thread defending himself because of a random (?) vote on him by some nobody noone was taking serious anyways. So if anything I would have expected grush to say something along the lines of "weird that noone's picking up on those things" rather than have him state that none of those things exist, which made me think he's either not reading or taking everything serious. When he answered the laya/risk-question I realized that I asked grush that question and that I'm not going to get anything useful out of him anyways so I ignored him. I thought he might answer seriously because I considered risk's behavior early on to be overdefensive for no reason and grush had him down as one of the two guys to lynch as well so I assumed he in serious mode.
Large ball of fluff giving very little information.
On February 15 2013 03:32 WeWinMafia wrote:
just because you don't know how to properly mason doesn't mean noone else does...
You're making it almost look like you want to treat claimed masons as confirmed town when there is no reason to do such a thing in a closed set-up.
ESPECIALLY with you telling people we want them claimed it's a good move for mafia and there's plenty other ways to deal with masons: Force them to do what I did last time I rolled mason.
Don't let people get away with masoning people like Grush or Vivax d1 and expect people to mason people like Sandro / Syllo / Marv if there are masons to begin with. Mafias usually are to afraid to mason people like that and if they do it nevertheless who cares, plently of time for strong people to figure them out in pm-land.
A planned mason claim just adds chaos for no gain at all...
Correct, but again, more setup talk and nothing regarding alignments yet. Something he also did in the game I hosted where he hydra'd with I believe Marv. Kept talking about the setup with little scumhunting being done, but doing just enough so people presumed he was town.
On February 15 2013 03:50 WeWinMafia wrote:
It's really hard to play this game if it's just the two of us and Marv tossing in a useless oneliner inbetween every now and then...
Marvs filter looks pretty atrocious right now:
##vote marvellosity
I'm off getting myself something to eat because my Schnitzel just turned into a junk of black coal. So I've got to go to McD again.
I'm expecting something by the time I'm back
Vote with no justification other than "filter looks atrocious", no case or anything. Wants other people to do his dirty work.
On February 15 2013 06:48 WeWinMafia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 06:34 marvellosity wrote:On February 15 2013 06:26 grush57 wrote:On February 15 2013 06:23 WeWinMafia wrote:On February 15 2013 06:22 marvellosity wrote:On February 15 2013 06:21 WeWinMafia wrote:On February 15 2013 06:18 marvellosity wrote:
is there anyone or anything in particular you wanted to talk about, toad? nope. I'd like you to pick someone or something. oh. No, i'm ok thanks. come on. you keep on doing these oneliner questions and only comment about stuff innitiated by other people. I've yet to see you do something on your own. but he is marv on d1 funny how grush understands yet toad doesn't. strange world. funny how we have Coag, marv, Syllo, Sandro and layabout pretty much ignoring the thread right now and grush is totally fine with it. I get that a lot of those people are usually quiet early on but the thread is dead as already pointed out... But whatever, yes I'm talking out of my ass and Zess is apparently doing the same hoping we get some activity here somehow. Won't keep on pretending like anyone is interested in talking if noone is... So see you around midnight, probably will be done around that time.
Claims to be active, but all his posts pretty much consist of fluff, including this one.
On February 15 2013 07:48 WeWinMafia wrote:
So just to get this straight:
I ask you to do something Marv, you basicly tell me to shut the fuck up in an agressive manner because it's how you usually play d1 (agree) and proceed to tackle coag nontheless after people just delurked?
I'm totally fine with what you just said but that in combination with the timing makes your "shut up I do what I want"-post really overagressive. Odd to say the least.
Just a funny coincidence you only now realized Coag looks bad or did that have something to do with my plea to come up with something yourself? It makes no sense unless you felt like you should do something imo. Emphasize on "should".
More interested in confrontation rather than helping town further.
Yeah, I don't like toad. His posts are full of fluff and wants other people to do his work. He talks more about setup then anything else, and claims to be active while not actually saying anything. That said, there is a careless aura about him that makes me wonder. Nevertheless..
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On February 16 2013 01:17 Mattchew wrote:
i think that artanis is asking a lot of questions without drawing a ton of actual conclusions. He is also commenting a lot on the general play of individuals and the overal game instead of focusing on what I would consider scum hunting. He is blending in really well IMO.
Marv, syllo and Sandroba what do you think of this?
How am I asking a lot of questions? I asked one to Sandro, for the rest I've analyzed a bunch of cases. I just don't think any of them are that strong. Strongest being on Toad so far for posting a bunch of fluff, but I've only seen Toad in scum games so I don't know if he does it as Town. My conclusion from analyzing the filters is that Toad is scummiest so far, so I voted for him.
As for yourself, why haven't you been contributing? You've been asking more questions then I have and drawing even less conclusions, plus literally no scumhunting, unless you count questions which you just accused me of as trying to blend in.
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On February 16 2013 01:28 WeWinMafia wrote:
2) How is that fluff. Sandro asked me to be more specific about it and I got more specific about it. Yes it's nothing alignment indicating I'm mentioning because I pointed out things that could have been odd but didn't end up being odd. That's because I was asked to...
Fair enough.
3) Zess was pushing for a mason claim. I thought it's a bad idea. You think I should have ignored it? Of course I'm going to tell him I don't claims if he wants something as drastical as claims on d1.
It's fluff because you said something in 6 lines that you could've said in one: It's a terrible idea because it can be abused by scum and they might try to use it as a ploy.
4) It's called a pressure vote because again, he did nothing but oneliners up to that point and I wanted him to start doing something. It worked out I might add.
Pressure votes tend to mean a lot more when you actually expand about them and give your opinion. You spend your time more on things that aren't alignment indicative rather than using the time to analyze players and find who's scum. It seems like you're more interested in keeping a status quo than doing research.
5 Idk, not much to say here other than that I disagree. Yes I post some fluff, probably more than most people. No I don't consider everything in my filter fluff like you make it out to be. You'll find that to be true in every single game I play. I usually do bullshit on d1 on purpose to get some conversations going even if that means it's on the back of me and I did get some criticism for it postgame sometimes but I still think it's the best to do if town is sleeping. You can't get content out of thin air, you have to start somewhere and that's how I do it.
Do you have links to some games where you were town in mini games? Preferably recent, and anyone may answer that.
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Oh and I have to go in 5 minutes and I'm not sure I'll be back before deadline. Will try to keep up on my cell but can't promise anything.
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I don't think 3 and 4 are opposed to eachother at all. In 3, you expand a lot on something that is trivial at best, yet in 4 you accuse someone of scum without providing any backing for it. Your posts about trivial things are big, yet your one accusatory post is unreasoned. Do you understand my problem with where you spend your energy?
It'd be great if said players could confirm that. Can't go through the filter of those games right now myself. However, I wasn't the only one suspicious of you. It'd be nice if people like sandro spoke up and said what they thought.
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I'm not comfortable lynching yamato. This bandwagon seems to go way too easily with not enough reasoning.
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I'm more comfortable with zess as he didn't randomly start picking up speed without reasoning. Actually checked over it again and it was only one vote, but the sentiment seems to be that everyone's happy to lynch him which worries me. It's hard for me to keep track right now though.
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I also wonder why some people pressured toad then never followed up as we got a convo going, unless I skipped over something.
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I want to lynch someone that I think might flip scum. No resistance on a yamato lynch makes me doubt he will flip scum, and I find cases on him weak.
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They have more substance to them, yes. You're not my top suspect but if I had to choose between flipping you and yamato I'd rather see you flipped.
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Syllo, sandroba, why did you never elaborate on toad after I asked you to?
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On February 16 2013 02:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't think 3 and 4 are opposed to eachother at all. In 3, you expand a lot on something that is trivial at best, yet in 4 you accuse someone of scum without providing any backing for it. Your posts about trivial things are big, yet your one accusatory post is unreasoned. Do you understand my problem with where you spend your energy?
It'd be great if said players could confirm that. Can't go through the filter of those games right now myself. However, I wasn't the only one suspicious of you. It'd be nice if people like sandro spoke up and said what they thought.
Tell me how my exchange with toad influenced your reads and why. Also, why did you think he was scum in the first place? Please give me something more than 'a general feel'.
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Also in 10 min the band I'm at starts so no clue when I'll be able to reply again, hopefully before the deadline.
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Since apparently it's standard for toad to post lots of fluff I don't consider my case to be worthy of a vote on him anymore.
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My reasons have already been stated.
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