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can i suggest we stop talking about blues (im looking at you sn0)... with NK this cycle; lets not help out the scum pls warbaby you were the only person dead set against glurio (that commented) Can you please give more reason than meta to why you thuoght he was town; you said my reasoning was sound, yet you refused to jump on... I want to know why. | ||
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On February 13 2013 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Well fuck, I would have been right. I'll post it now, up to you guys whether you want to believe me or not. + Show Spoiler + Thank you Mocsta and Sn0 for not making me explain this action myself: [b]##Unvote: Macheji ##Vote: Sevryn On February 13 2013 08:27 Mocsta wrote: Mr Sno_Man; i said this at the start of the game (I think).. and I think now is an opportune time to say it again. Policy Lynch is never meant to occur (even town lying can be acceptable at times - e.g. "Are you JK".. Why of course not.. (lie) Lynch all Lurkers is a concept designed to promote discussion and force activity. It is never meant to be followed through with. Think about the consequence. On February 13 2013 04:57 Sn0_Man wrote: Why are you voting for a 1/4 chance when you could vote for a 1/2 chance (glurio/sevyrn)? Plus, I'm of the opinion that it should be fairly easy to lynch one of glurio/sevyrn if you make a realistic case. I can't honestly tell which of the two is scummier. If I'm wrong, risk taken and you can all decide what it means after the fact. So your two reads are sevryn and macheji? K...Did you want to lead the pressure on them? | ||
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On February 13 2013 10:07 warbaby wrote: I never said I thought he was town, I said I didn't think he was scum. My read wasn't any better than null, in the post I linked earlier. You insinuating I called him town is putting WIFOM into my mouth, which is not what I said. One of the people that lynched glurio is scum. I refuse to believe 3 towns lynched him. We need to focus on: Sevryn Mocsta cdgCorazon And perhaps we can find a scum. It's fine if you guys still want to make cases on me, but I didn't just lynch a townie. Sevryn seems the most questionable. He really needs to post a lot more to show he's not a lurky scum. True, i just read the post again; sorry for the misrepresentation. That you stood up for me, made me think you thought he was town. Not sure why you would step in to defend a "null' read; even now with hindsight, thats an odd move to make. | ||
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On February 13 2013 10:14 warbaby wrote: Because why would I lynch, or agree to the lynch of, someone I have a null read on, when there are lurkers like sylencia (at the time) and sevryn still in the game? I tried to debunk the wack "glurio is a blendy scum like last game" wagon, and failed. It's not that I thought he was town, it was that I thought he was going to be lynched for incorrect reasons, compared to the other candidates. Right, so if I read right; it wasnt that you was sticking up for Glurio, it was that you wanted your wagon to take off (i.e Sylencia/Sevryn) If so, I can accept that. if you were sticking up for Glurio because he was null; thats really an odd thing to do (even with your explanation) | ||
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On February 13 2013 10:21 warbaby wrote: I would have been happy with a wagon on sylencia or sevryn, or possibly zarepath and mandalor. I thought they were all potentially lurking harder/playing outside their normal town meta, moreso than glurio. Sorry bud, you're the one on the wagon that just lynched a town, not me. I don't need to explain my D1 votes any more (I explained them when I made them, so just check my filter). You need to explain your vote. You just lynched an active town player because you thought he was playing lurky scum like last game, no? But how can he be lurkier than players with 50% less posts? warbaby, I think you need to get your facts straight before you start shooting your gun #1 I actually pressured Glurio. Ohh btw I even pressured your "apparent top" scum read Sylencia #2 My reasoning for Glurio were sound enough for you to even suggested you agreed I dont even understand your comment in bold; are you talking about past games, because it is referenced as if you are discussing Glurio. My point stands; you were the only person that contested my reasoning; but then state you thought he was "null" FACT: Nobody sticks up for nulls reads without a hidden agenda. (e.g. promote your bandwagon or scum creating confusion) Null reads are the ones you watch the most carefully, to see how they react to pressure. Your post above, indicates you were not fussed about a wagon on a variety of people. Hence, there is absolutely NO REASON to contest the lynch if Glurio was "null" the way you did. Your Day1 behaviour from start to finish have been suspect as. If I make an clear assumption you are scum: Its easy to see you tried to derail Glurio back to Sylencia, because you thought sylencia may have been more 'valuable' to town. Obviously this relies on a flip, so I wont jump to conclusions; but fuck me your actions are fishy warbaby. | ||
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On February 13 2013 10:30 Sn0_Man wrote: This entire vote was so retarded. WoS: The fact that you literally threw away your vote with no regard for who got lynched makes me want to call you scum. UNFORTUNATELY, like 6 other people did the same thing (no I didn't count how many). @Warbaby: If I was scum I'd be happy to laugh at retarded town who can't summon more than a 3-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 vote. There is no reason for any of them to be on glurio unless they either a) felt the need to save sevryn (aka sevryn is scum, kinda lines up with his vote) or b) they were afraid of people blaming them for throwing away their vote like what I just did to WoS. Dunno. That doesn't convince me that any of those 3 *must* be scum. Sn0 I am finding warbaby trying to fit in with town just not working for me. I am more than happy for him to pursue this lead and pressure me (and the others). I think it will lead to his undoing, and then hopefully you guys will see what I see. I think debating on who scum voted for and why is just too much WIFOM, save it for after a flip is my opinion. | ||
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On February 13 2013 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote: But you know what, sometimes it's necessary. We just flipped, let's talk about it Mocsta, and those who lynched our poor Glurio. I honestly wish I were better at this game because I can't pick out scumroles/scumteam. I could very easily see you and geript going at it and picking up opposite roles along with a lurker....ugh. After my second midterm tomorrow and N1 I'll have more time to put into this and I'll try to come up with something. If you want to enter discourse by asking me something; I will oblige, but do not expect me to initiate those type of topics without a flip. The reason i think it is pointless is because, you go "Assume Mocsta is scum" He did X, Y, Z Now, lets say the bandwagon builds up and you get my flip and realise its a mislynch; then what? You have wasted an entire cycle because of an "association" If you think me n Geript is faked; do you think I would have held my vote on him for so long; and kept pushing him and explaining myself and trying to communicate my thought process? Now in my opinion: The correct process to follow now, is to re-read the thread and consider scum motives. I am about to do this myself, and will be looking for the following:
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On February 13 2013 10:47 ObviousOne wrote: Hey guys! I have been reading the thread on-and-off but nothing resembling deep analysis yet since I wasn't anticipating replacing in. Spur of the moment decision to hop in. I'm considering it a personal challenge to myself to be the most active player at least for the night phase so I can get a better read on you as questions pop up during my read, and you can get a better read on me and my scum-hunting abilities. That said, after saying hello here I need to sod off for a few hours. I'm about to run a raid so I'll be back in a bit to start my deep read. Hi being not involved in the thread, you might be the perfect guy for this. If you want to be active, can you please have a go at answering the below: On February 13 2013 10:55 Mocsta wrote: I am about to do this myself, and will be looking for the following:
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WoS Votes dont apply N1 lol  Im happy to discuss Sevryn further; what makes him scum to you? No need for a case, just outline some dot points you think are scum tells. | ||
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(Now that you have caught up) Welcome Your first post is not a bad start into a 30 page thread. I hope by the end of night cycle you will have digested the Day1 occurrences enough to share your best scum read. P.S. Your last game was like 6-8months ago according to profile; since it only shows town games: how would you describe your town play; as in, aside from being active what do you think we can expect from your play? | ||
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On February 14 2013 04:28 ObviousOne wrote: @Mocsta do you yourself think Sylencia was more valuable to town than Glurio? Consider this given any hindsight based on anything Sylencia may have posted thus far N1. What does Sylencia offer to town that Glurio lacked? Also, do you think WaveofShadow is trying to bait you into making association cases based on a town flip so you can look more scummy down the line if you're ever on another town lynch vote list? (1) I wrote this intentionally vague because I didnt want to highlight this thought/assumption during Night 1. I thought people in the moment would understand the reference. If you need, I will answer this in more detail Day2. On the chance I am NK'd, the breadcrumb I will leave is: look at Sn0_Man filter; its a direct reference to that. (2) I didn't read it that way; and to be brutally honest, what I have seen from WoS so far does not indicate he thinks ahead *THAT* far. I read the post as he was confirmation biased towards his two lurker reads; and was saying whatever is required to keep them in the limelight - even if the logic is inaccurate. If what you say above is true; and if he was scum, I think we are fucked 'cos thats pretty crafty. | ||
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On February 14 2013 02:09 Sn0_Man wrote: On a slightly different topic: I would like to hear an explanation of this line Mocsta. I asked before but I don't remember much of an answer. On February 12 2013 15:23 Mocsta wrote: You know what, *this* post made me realise where geript commentary came from, specifically claim town vs think town. It has to do with: On February 12 2013 11:40 geript wrote: I didn't claim warbaby as town; I stated I think he's town. There's a big difference between the two. back to rereading Then our conversation On February 12 2013 15:03 Sn0_Man wrote: I still don't see it as a "chainsaw defence of a scumbuddy". On February 12 2013 15:23 Mocsta wrote:You know what, *this* post made me realise where geript commentary came from, specifically claim town vs think town. The point being; it never clicked with me why Geript mentioned he was saying he thought WB was town, instead of claimed town. When you said, it may not have been a "scum buddy" it all clicked together. I countered by saying: On February 12 2013 15:23 Mocsta wrote: just keep in mind please; chainsaw defense doesnt apply to just defending scum buddy. its basically just attacking the someones attacker personally (instead of their argument). So can be applied to defending town. | ||
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K. i am 50% through my last will | ||
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Mocsta N1: Last Will Firstly, the item below needs to be cleared, as several have raised it. "I am concerned about Mocsta drop in 'usual activity'" (1) I am playing two on-going games; the other game started a few days before this and Lynch deadlines are the same days. That game takes priority over this one. (2) I could only join this game because the experience limit was lifted; I don't think it is fair for me to try to mayor discussion. I got called out for it early on -rightfully (sorry, its a habit so am now trying to active lurk, and throw in my feedback when I see stuff I find suspicious; instead of lead discussion.To the real stuff: People I would spend time listening to Day2: + Show Spoiler [ObviousOne] + I like the way he has entered the game, and shared his posts. Liking the way a guy posts is not town indicative though, so, we really need ObviousOne to step up and pressure a scum read; to gain understanding of alignment. Remember, a case says more about the MAKER, than the target. + Show Spoiler [zarepath] + I am so conflicted with this guy. In my opinion, his "fake case" actually unsettled town and is responsible for creating this split vote outcome. I am still trying to piece together whether the outcome was simply not thought through enough (town); OR intentional (scum). My concern is that, zarepath did not deliver the thorough analysis of this "experiment" like promised - at least I dont recall reading it. I also noticed at the end of Night 1, zarepath shared some reads; but these are based on the thread dynamics, not his experiment (conveniently....) I think zarepath needs to provide *VERY* clear reasoning behind his actions this Day2. If needs be; pressure him for this. Remember, the experiment itself is NULL. It comes down to WHAT he does with the information. People I would spend time pressuring Day2: + Show Spoiler [Testsubject (2nd new guy)] + Give him 24hrs to read the 40 pages; by then, he better have a scum read, otherwise it might be pertinent to discuss a policy lynch. + Show Spoiler [warbaby] + I re-read his filter; and this guy just flip flops constantly and tries to join whatever bandwagon he can. He is also constantly referencing old-games; either himself as town, or me as scum. I judge people by their actions in-game; he seems to be avoiding this, as when he even admits 'he doesnt have strong opinions" middle of Day1, and what has been shared since then, seems to be the same.He is still one of my strongest scum reads + Show Spoiler [Mandalor] + This guy has not done much all game, other than offer excuse after excuse. I have not seen anything that I interpret as town aligned; so he is null for me. That is the problem; I would expect by Day2, people have offered enough to be towny, or scummy. Why is he in the middle? This guy needs to be put in the interrogation room, like NOW! + Show Spoiler [Geript] + Need I say more? This guy has shown glimmers of trying to figure out the game, and then does the oddest shit from that. - Put a defense on warbaby by attacking me (The case was refuted easily) - Gives a non-chalant response towards the mislynch. - The case of Corazon reads as if there is no conviction. Which is surprising; why make the case if you do not believe in it? Surely this isnt another Glurio trying to claim a "zarepath" experiment. - Another weird thing with Geript is his opening vote on warbaby; as an "experiment" yet when I come after warbaby, he jumps straight in to be warbaby knight in shining armour People I think need to step up Day2: + Show Spoiler [WaveofShadow] + I have not been focusing on this guy for a couple reasons (1) Been concentrating on people like warbaby/Geript (2) I credited him as "bad townie" prior, so never felt a need to prioritize him Thing is, every time I read something from this guy, I just get an odd vibe. Haven't put in enough time to decipher where this feeling derives from though. I am going to treat him as "null" for Day2, and see how it goes from there. | ||
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On February 14 2013 09:52 ObviousOne wrote: OMG Mocsta <3 for being first in your list. I hope my last post was helpful in regard to your note about me. I didnt accuse you of anything. Your listed under People need to give you a chance to speak (i.e. listen to) I dont think pressuring you this early is going determine your alignment. The other new guy is listed under "pressure" because he is yet to post. and we cant let him fly by Day2, being under the radar. | ||
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2 KILLS? who is vig? | ||
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If there is a vig out there; you better have breadcrumbs. proper vig play, is to say who you are killing in the last minute before deadline (in this case you had 1 hr) Newbie games always 1-shot vig; so if present, you are now VT; its safe to speak up | ||
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sorry, shoulad said that first.. just a bit shocked thats all | ||
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