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On February 11 2013 14:46 cDgCorazon wrote:
This is the scummiest part. If you are town, you should be trying to prove that your claim is true, and not kill discussion right when it starts to pick up.
For these reasons, you are getting my vote for the time being. If you are really town, you should have no trouble proving your innocence.
I was trying to get Mocsta to shut up because he's an idiot and bad at this game (look at his play in the non-newbie games, it's atrocious and people have called him out for it).
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Sorry, I'm upset. What happened to me so far this game:
1) I made a pro-town post. How am I supposed to make a pro-town post without soft claiming town? It's not possible.
2) I get attacked for claiming town D1, just like I did in '36'
3) Now I can't post anything, because I'm accused of dodging the (bullshit) accusations against me. If I call out the accusations as bullshit produced by small minds (which they are), then I'm accused of defending myself from the accusations against me. Wat?
It's a catch-22, just like in '36. And like in '36, I plead people to look at my filter and see how I was trying to be helpful, trying to make decent contributions for town, and am literally being shit all over as a result.
Since I was told after '36 that my play as town was not bad, I tried to play the same this game (because, shockingly, I'm town in this game as well). Apparently that was bad advice?
So I'm sick of it. Apparently posting actually useful pro-town advice at the beginning of a newbie game is too much for the newbies to handle.
Since the whole thread is now de-railed into this bullshit case against me, I can't even contribute anything useful anymore without being accused of dodging. So, honestly, I don't give a shit. It's a newbie game. I could still win as town if you mislynch me (like in '36).
So have at it.
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On February 11 2013 21:06 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 20:59 warbaby wrote:On February 11 2013 14:46 cDgCorazon wrote:
This is the scummiest part. If you are town, you should be trying to prove that your claim is true, and not kill discussion right when it starts to pick up.
For these reasons, you are getting my vote for the time being. If you are really town, you should have no trouble proving your innocence. I was trying to get Mocsta to shut up because he's an idiot and bad at this game (look at his play in the non-newbie games, it's atrocious and people have called him out for it). Firstly. U obviously have not read the games. What u say is simply not true. Secondly it is against rules to discuss ongoing games. Pls dont reference me in live games again..
I was referencing LIX, which is over.
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On February 11 2013 21:17 Mandalor wrote:
Now, the martyring certainly changed things for me. I don't understand why a former MVP would get so aggressive and condescending this early in the game.
It pisses me off after I got named town MVP in my last game, I try to repeat my playstyle in the next game (in order to be useful to town!) and I get shit all over for it.
I figured you guys would understand my play style (which seems to be valid based on '36 post-game analysis). Apparently you don't, and I just honestly don't care about this game enough to defend myself against accusations that are this stupid.
If you're upset that I'm giving up this early, I would consider requesting a replacement. Just let me know if you'd prefer to shit all over someone other than me.
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On February 11 2013 21:27 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 21:22 warbaby wrote:On February 11 2013 21:17 Mandalor wrote:
Now, the martyring certainly changed things for me. I don't understand why a former MVP would get so aggressive and condescending this early in the game. I try to repeat my playstyle in the next game That is precisely why people are onto you, especially since you openly said it. As scum, you would try to copy your town meta, and you even mentioning that looks a lot like a scumslip. Honestly, if you can't cope with getting attacked in a mafia game, this game really isn't for you.
If I'm town, would I not copy my previously successful town play from the last game I was town? Which included being mislynched by horrible players who have no idea what a scumtell actually looks like...
I've never played scum, so you have no idea what my scum meta looks like. I have played town, and if you think my town meta this game is off, it's because I'm absolutely sick to death of having to defend myself the entire game (which is also what happened in '36).
I'm being condescending because it's mind boggling that people like Corazon would make the same mistake two games in a row.
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On February 11 2013 23:23 Sylencia wrote:
Of course scum knows who is town and who is not - they don't know who is blue and who is not though. Your wording in the original statement 'I won't claim my actual role right now' telegraphs you have something to actually claim.
Yes, I'm not going to claim my role D1 because the mafia does not know my role. This could imply that I'm the death miller serial killer (that was a joke from the pre-game, btw), or it could imply that I'm just Vanilla Town.
I'm still in favor of lynching a lurker, and there are some pretty good candidates, still. Glad to see that zarepath and Mandalor are here now.
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I'm not soft blue claiming, glurio. I'm hard alignment claiming, and reserving a role claim until it actually makes sense to do so.
You understand the difference between alignment and role, right?
I agree that there could be scummy motiviations in the ridiculous case against me, but I can't really pursue this avenue without being accused of OMGUS. I encourage you and others to look at this more.
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On February 11 2013 23:46 Mocsta wrote:I think a town player is confident in their role PM and has no need to be this hysterical, derogatory or ad-hominem so early.
This is amusing coming from the guy making a bunch of hysterical wall of text posts, desperate to appear to be scum hunting. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, but I call out stupid when I see it. This is confirmed by my meta (and the post-game analysis) in '36.
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I don't have any questions for you, and I'm not accusing you of being scum, yet (when I accuse scums, I use FoS first).
I'm referencing '36 because my play this game mirrors '36, and I'm hoping someone with half a brain will understand my meta: I made useful suggestions on how town can play well, idiots mislynch me for terrible reasons and I try to defend myself while hunting scum. Except this time I'm sick of fending off idiots for the whole game.
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Your RNG idea wasn't even bad. We just needed to work it out in pre-game, and we failed. I was trying to support your ideas in pre-game, Mocsta (by pushing you to improve the idea).
It's hard to say that the people who have voted me are scum, since they are making effort in their case (even if I personally think it's a stupid case).
Sn0_man has not put in effort, he just made some noises about me and ditched out, without even an FoS. Is he egging on the bandwagon, and waiting to vote until it's a sure thing?
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On February 12 2013 00:18 warbaby wrote:
Your RNG idea wasn't even bad. We just needed to work it out in pre-game, and we failed. I was trying to support your ideas in pre-game, Mocsta (by pushing you to improve the idea).
It's hard to say that the people who have voted me are scum, since they are making effort in their case (even if I personally think it's a stupid case).
Sn0_man has not put in effort, he just made some noises about me and ditched out, without even an FoS. Is he egging on the bandwagon, and waiting to vote until it's a sure thing?
EBWOP: I looked at sn0's filter and he didn't really attack me at all. So I retract that last sentence. I'll try to stop being less defensive.
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EBWOP: I'll try to stop being so defensive*
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You're giving me a wake-up call? That's rich.
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FoS WaveofShadow
I'm not voting until we've had more time for the remaining lurkers to report in, and Shadow can respond to zarepath.
I agree with zarepath that the people actually voting me aren't looking that scummy; compared to those just trawling for a convenient bandwagon.
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On February 12 2013 00:52 Mocsta wrote:
are really contradictory to ideal town play
No u. Good night and sweet dreams :3
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I don't think you're helping town by posting like this, Mocsta. I honestly believe your case against me is bad, and I don't like how you're asking other people to tunnel on me. That's not constructive.
We all know you have a problem with me. You don't need to spam up the thread asking other people to confirm your bias.
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I prefer voting lurkers over scum D1. I don't like voting for null reads because null reads are not scum? Voting to pressure a null read is OK, but it helps if you back up your pressure vote with a decent case.
##Vote: 9-Bit
Normally I wouldn't tell anybody "do xyz and I'll unvote you" but in this case, simply make a few posts (that aren't blatantly scummy) and I'll unvote you.
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EBWOP: Not to say that I won't vote for someone that makes an obvious scumslip D1, but nobody has done that so far (except maybe WoS).
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Good question sevryn. I suppose because more than 1 vote could pressure him more to actually post?
Does it make sense for us to all vote the same zero-post player, or spread out our anti-lurker votes among all the zero-post players?
The point is to lynch lurkers, not just vote for them. But we're also pretty far from the deadline.
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On February 12 2013 01:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
I would have though it more kosher for you to target one of the other 2 lurkers, if nothing else.
2 lurkers with 1 vote each are not going to feel much pressure. Pressure only works if the person you're pressuring actually thinks there's a chance they're going to be lynched if they don't respond to the pressure.
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