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Im aware of that and am currently trying to find any leads I have the problem is If I make any post about about lurkers it makes me seem kind of hypocritical. looking back my case on glurio while I would like to say I made a great case I really can't it wasnt that conclusive it was enough for me to think he was scum and vote for him but I didnt really excpect to lynch him the main reason I voted for him at first was to try and generate discussion and then when I got back there really hadn;t been anyone else brought up I was comfortable lynching so I would look at how we had a lynch with only three votes and why mocsta and cora decided that glurio was the best lynch. I think cora especially because he dropped the WB case for glurio saying he thought the case wouldnt go through when there were minimal votes on anyone.
On February 13 2013 08:57 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 13 2013 08:50 cDgCorazon wrote:On February 13 2013 08:47 geript wrote:
Point out what you'd like. I haven't made a case against many people; neither, iirc, have I weighed in on 0 post non-participant vs low count lurker. Those facts are hardly relevant.
I'd point out that no one has really made a case against you at all. As far as I see it, your agenda has been to make the town atmosphere negative. Yes, it takes two to get into a flame war and I'm not giving war baby any credit avoiding those spats either. In the least Mocsta has shown that he's willing to listen, even though I think his vote for me is weak at best. You on the other hand have tunnel visioned on your target of the moment at each point. Scum hunting is fine and being aggressive is fine. But the belligerent tone you've taken at many points, especially over exceptionally minor things, isn't beneficial to the town. Rather, it seems to me like you want everyone to spend their time scrutinizing your target so that they avoid you entirely. Your "We haven't gotten scum day 1 lynching lurkers, so lets try a new tack" comment from a while back (would quote but still on phone) keeps on sounding like "Let's lynch a loud voice" to me. In my experience the louder voices are almost always town; I even think one of the guides says something similar.
Now you're going to ask why I'm not voting for you (likely), but I still think that you're misguided right now and not an active dissident. So my vote remains in place for right now. Please explain to me why being aggressive is scummy. If we're going to keep thinking that all "loud voices" are town, at least one scum is going to slip by for a long time. Take a look at my scum play from NMM XXXIII. Why do you think I got away with being scum for so long? Because I was active and looking pro-town. If we take out a scum with a "loud voice" now, our chances of winning go way up. Speaking of loud voices, you were SO adamant for so long on WB lynch now that's it's close to lynch time you unvote? What is your rationale? Cause it's obvious no one is going to vote with me. Sometimes, one's agenda needs to be pushed back to benefit the group as a whole. I didn't back down before because I wasn't sure how the votes were going to be consolidated. Since it's obvious town does not want to try something different for D1, it looks like it's not going to be WB.
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also all the wasted votes are terrible.
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WaveofShadow seems to be tunneling me because he was convinced one of me or glurio is scum
Sn0_Man- null reads after you explained your reasoning behind those posts I posted earlier
ObviousOne -cant really say yet
warbaby -leaning scum but nothing convincing tbh
geript- null read
zarepath - leaning town for me but that might just be because he was pointing out how WoS case didnt make a ton of sense
Mocsta - talks a lot but not really sure about him
cDgCorazon -would like him to explain his vote
Mandalor - seems like he doesnt say much even when he posts
Sylencia - null
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Hey guys im at work so i cant really make a real post right now but i agree with geript and sno i just didnt want to make an omgus post i can elaborate on this when i get home
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On February 14 2013 11:17 TestSubject893 wrote:I was getting ready to write up a post about my thoughts on everyone so far, but when I got the results of the night actions I realized that that post would probably be overshadowed when I posted this, so I scrapped it for now.
I am the Tracker. As we know from the rules, the mafia chooses who will carry out each kill. From this we can conclude that the mafia will choose the player they percieve to be least suspicious on their team to carry out the kill. In an attempt to catch a potential least suspicous scum player, last night I tracked ObviousOne. The results were that he visisted WaveofShadow.This means that one of the following is true: (A) ObviousOne is a Vigilante, Jailkeeper or Watcher who targeted WaveofShadow. (B) The framer chose to frame ObviousOne for the WaveofShadow kill. (C) ObviousOne is the Nosy Neighbour and the RNG hit the 2/11 chance that he'd visit someone who was killed. (D) ObviousOne is scum or serial killer and killed WaveofShadow. A is unlikely for the following reasons. ObviousOne said himself that a Vigilante should have checked in ahead of time, making it unlikely that that is his role + Show Spoiler +On February 14 2013 10:23 ObviousOne wrote:
Still have some time for a possible Vig to check in. I'm surprised there wasn't a claim given there was an hour window during which night actions were being put through, but that might just mean they're not able to respond yet. Going to have to assume SK if there isn't a claim in the next 24 hours.
. We know that he is not the Jailkeeper, because the Jailkeeper visisted Sylencia tonight. And its unlikely that he is a Watcher, not only because we already have a Tracker, and therefore it is less likely that we have a Watcher, but also because if he watched WaveofShadow he would have said something about who visited the person who was killed. B is unlikely becuase there is little reason for the mafia to think that ObviousOne will get tracked. C is unlikely mathematically. (Even if there is a 10% chance that OO is the Nosy Neighbour, a very high estimate, that means that there is a less than 2% likelihood of this occuring.) From this I conclude that ObviousOne is the serial killer or scum and killed WaveofShadow.##Vote: ObviousOne
your assuming that there isnt a scum RB and a town JK
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EWBODP although that is pretty unlikely this is really interesting looking forward to seeing what OO says
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alright so first holy shit at these Night kills I would imagine its a sk because of the vigi being one shots and there not being a great case on either of the people who died.
second I would like to point out some points of concern for me on corazon
1. He didnt vote for the person he claimed was the scummiest d1 instead voting for glurio with only two votes on glurio so it was still anybodys game as to who got lynched at the time he swapped his vote.
2.this part of his recent post seemed odd because a vote for me wasnt really a non vote seeing as I was the second closest person to being lynched.
WoS- I know this point has been discussed to death but I really don’t like the fact that he threw his vote away D1 (scum don’t usually care about the lynch unless it’s one of their own) and his non-vote for Sevryn was scummy as well.
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EBwodp again I mean to hit post on this ^ first
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On February 14 2013 11:28 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 11:22 Sevryn wrote:alright so first holy shit at these Night kills I would imagine its a sk because of the vigi being one shots and there not being a great case on either of the people who died. second I would like to point out some points of concern for me on corazon 1. He didnt vote for the person he claimed was the scummiest d1 instead voting for glurio with only two votes on glurio so it was still anybodys game as to who got lynched at the time he swapped his vote. 2.this part of his recent post seemed odd because a vote for me wasnt really a non vote seeing as I was the second closest person to being lynched.
WoS- I know this point has been discussed to death but I really don’t like the fact that he threw his vote away D1 (scum don’t usually care about the lynch unless it’s one of their own) and his non-vote for Sevryn was scummy as well.
I'm very suspicious of Corazon too. I was thinking about writing up a case on him, the timing of that vote was just so scummy to me. I'll hold off on that for now though as I assume people will want to discuss ObviousOne and his killing of WaveofShadow last night first.
Yeah I probably should have held off on making that post till we can figure out if OO has a counter claim or anything
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On February 14 2013 11:35 ObviousOne wrote:
Well, fuck. There goes my shot at staying null.
I am Pops the Doorman and the Vigilante.
I shot WaveofShadow. I thought he was scum. I couldn't get a good read on him based on D1 and I felt it would give me insight into his back-and-forth with Corazon and thus more information about Corazon. Haven't looked yet at Corazon in light of the flip but now that it's out, you know where I was going with it and why I mentioned it earlier.
I don't believe in breadcrumbs (as you can see in the case of Zarepath, they aren't exactly invisible) and from what I've read/experienced in normal games, breadcrumbs are a good way to get yourself killed with a power role.
I also didn't want to give scum a chance at finding a confirmed town for tomorrow so I just kept quiet.
why didnt you claim it since vigis are one shot making you a VT now?
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On February 14 2013 11:50 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 11:35 ObviousOne wrote:
Well, fuck. There goes my shot at staying null.
I am Pops the Doorman and the Vigilante.
I shot WaveofShadow. I thought he was scum. I couldn't get a good read on him based on D1 and I felt it would give me insight into his back-and-forth with Corazon and thus more information about Corazon. Haven't looked yet at Corazon in light of the flip but now that it's out, you know where I was going with it and why I mentioned it earlier.
I don't believe in breadcrumbs (as you can see in the case of Zarepath, they aren't exactly invisible) and from what I've read/experienced in normal games, breadcrumbs are a good way to get yourself killed with a power role.
I also didn't want to give scum a chance at finding a confirmed town for tomorrow so I just kept quiet. I have serious problems with this claim as TestSubject pointed out. Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 11:17 TestSubject893 wrote:A is unlikely for the following reasons. ObviousOne said himself that a Vigilante should have checked in ahead of time, making it unlikely that that is his role On February 14 2013 10:23 ObviousOne wrote:
Still have some time for a possible Vig to check in. I'm surprised there wasn't a claim given there was an hour window during which night actions were being put through, but that might just mean they're not able to respond yet. Going to have to assume SK if there isn't a claim in the next 24 hours.
Then there is: Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 10:03 Mocsta wrote:
This is total bullshit:
If there is a vig out there; you better have breadcrumbs.
proper vig play, is to say who you are killing in the last minute before deadline (in this case you had 1 hr)
Newbie games always 1-shot vig; so if present, you are now VT; its safe to speak up Now, i said @ 10:03 it is SAFE TO SPEAK UP, you are now VT note @ 10:23 ObviousOne says Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 10:23 ObviousOne wrote:
Still have some time for a possible Vig to check in. I'm surprised there wasn't a claim given there was an hour window during which night actions were being put through, but that might just mean they're not able to respond yet. Going to have to assume SK if there isn't a claim in the next 24 hours.
##Vote: ObviousOneYou just fucked up majorly Mr.SK
Hey mocsta why did you say mr. sk but not scum? do you already know he isn't scum?
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by the way we pretty much have to lynch ObviousOne but I hope you keep posting OO because what you say and what people reply to you can give us a good bit more imformation once you flip.
##vote ObviousOne
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On February 14 2013 12:22 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 12:19 Sevryn wrote:
Hey mocsta why did you say mr. sk but not scum? do you already know he isn't scum? Hi Mr. lurker, Well I didnt think he was scum before the killing, so wasn't a natural thought to assume he is scum now. Either way; I am certain he is scum/SK now; and should be the lynch candidate for today. Are you going to continue lurking and taking snipes? Or are you going to join town and rid us of EVIL !!
hey im working on not lurking and have posted my views on corazon which I would love to hear what you think about it. if we decide to lynch OO which I think we should We have Two whole days to talk about who to lynch next which is a huge bonus. i do think we should stay away from arguements that involve speculating on what his flip means till he flips that way we dont get distracted on what it means.
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Ok so your saying your def. the Sk?
and im going to bed and will be back for an hour or so in the morning and then after work tommorow evening.
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On February 16 2013 00:51 Sn0_Man wrote:
What I want to know is why does Sevryn get such an utter free ride from so many people (especially mocsta/Cora)? Sure people mention his name when they call our low contribution members, but when its down to who might be scum, his name never even pops up...
I actually noticed this when I was reading the thread from yesterday But now I cant find the post that had a list of who all was the scum and my name just wasn't in the list which seemed kind of odd seeing how I was to being lynched d1
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On February 16 2013 02:00 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 01:54 Sevryn wrote:On February 16 2013 00:51 Sn0_Man wrote:
What I want to know is why does Sevryn get such an utter free ride from so many people (especially mocsta/Cora)? Sure people mention his name when they call our low contribution members, but when its down to who might be scum, his name never even pops up... I actually noticed this when I was reading the thread from yesterday But now I cant find the post that had a list of who all was the scum and my name just wasn't in the list which seemed kind of odd seeing how I was to being lynched d1 How non-alignment indicative of you to comment... I mean, for crying out loud make posts that help town.
Just woke up and had just finished reading the thread for the first time its going to take me a few to reread the posts that were made yesterday and get some caffeine in my body.
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On February 15 2013 12:13 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yeah I think I'll hold off on the case.
Let's hope the hosts decide to end this quickly.
##Vote: ObviousOne
this post and he one where mocsta asked for a shorter day kind of strike me as odd. I know he said that other games have asked for it but we are not other games. there is a real chance we will be at lylo tommorow So why are poeple in favor of less time for town to discuss when we have a ton of candidates who people think are scummy and nobody who is heads and shoulders above anyone else in scumminess.
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not really sheeping I'm just calling what I think is odd townie motivated behavior and wanted your reasoning which I missed in that post. so you think any case made now would lose traction so we just shouldn't discuss d3 until its d3?
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Mandalor
starts off with some posts about lurkers
jumps onto the WoS wagon
apologizes for being inactive a good bit which could be lurker or he might just be that busy not really sure. hopefully he will post more this weekend.
soft defends warbaby from syl
On February 12 2013 23:36 Mandalor wrote:another reason why sylencia's behavior so far is weird, especially since I have him in mind as a competent player. Since I'll be here for another 30 minutes I might as well do that analysis. Sadly, I fell for it as well. Reaction to zarepath's experiment of a fake case on WoS in order of posts:warbaby: FoS, no reasons given cDgCorazon: Likes part of the case, but it's not enough for him to vote WoS. Also critisizes parts of zare's analysis. Mocsta: Likes the case somewhat, wants to wait for WoS' defense Sevryn: Likes the case, feels like zare missed something warbaby: FoS, doesn't really comment on the case despite being asked about it and votes a lurker. Unvotes and FoSes (or sth) WoS Mandalor: FoS, likes the analysis of WoS' 6th post. Well, dammit :D Sn0_Man: Likes the case, but is not willing to vote an active player unless we get a really solid case. Really doesn't like WoS' defense. WaveOfShadow: Likes the case (funny enough), votes Macheji geript: Votes WoS (the only one to do so), feels WoS didn't contribute at all and his voting does not align with his reads If anyone feels like I'm being unfair in the assessment, let me know. It's really just tl;dr versions of your posts as I read them.
posted list of reactions to WoS case which isnt something you couldnt find out for yourself.
keeps asking people to ask him questions instead of making a case.
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