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On February 16 2013 00:25 Mocsta wrote:
If you recall; I lead Day2 with a vote on warbaby.
Then the OO issue happened; and everything else went on hold.
To answer your question: the cake is pretty much baked.
Your current thoughts on Sylencia/Mandalor as reads?
More juvenile word play, while dodging questions. He asked you what the cake was (eg, what your case on me was). You responded by saying "the cake is pretty much baked"? Not only did you completely fail to answer his question, but you clearly know he asked the question, and you deliberately responded without giving any kind of real answer.
On February 15 2013 23:36 zarepath wrote:
Okay, I totally just skimmed the last four pages and I don't feel like I'm missing anything. This is the kind of thing that made us almost lose the last Newbie Mafia -- three or four active townies cluttering the thread, sparring each other over nothing while multiple inactive players post literally nothing.
Somebody said that Mocsta/Cora/WB rushing to defend or attack Mocsta/Cora/WB was only meant to divert attention from Mocsta/Cora/WB... this is getting out of hand. None of you have attention diverted away from yourselves. By participating in this BS, attention is focused on YOU, and as town (and I assume at least one of you involved here is town), that is bad.
First of all I lean towards the underlined point. Mocsta, Cora, and I being a bunch of active, noisy towns makes more sense than one or more of us being an active, noisy scum. I made the point yesterday: a scum would probably just shut up by now, and sit back while town lynches the SK. I think this applies to Mocsta, Cora, and myself pretty equally.
We are looking at MYLO tomorrow, guys. TOMORROW. And we know almost nothing about the reads or opinions of MULTIPLE players:
Sylencia
Mandalor
Sevryn
Why are we so eager to let them do literally nothing today?
We can't force Sylencia, Mandalor, and Sevryn to play the game. It sucks, but there's not much we can do to actually force them to play more at this point, unless we want to unvote the SK and start pressure voting them.
Out of the 3 lurkers you listed IMO sylencia has put the least effort into the game. It's really hard to say because all 3 have put in so little effort, but I'd be happier lynching one of these 3 over Mocsta or Corazon on D3.
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On February 16 2013 08:12 TestSubject893 wrote:
Despite my how much Corazon's play is annoying me right now, zare is right. We need to stop giving the lurkers so much slack let's focus some effort there and stop beating up on the people who actually post for a little while.
Agreed. I'm done making accusations against active players for the time being.
Shockingly, we need to hear more from mandalor, sylencia, and (less so) sevryn. It's actually pretty great that sevryn made some posts on page 65, and I think they were higher quality than those of sylencia on page 59. But I think all 3 are still lurking to an unacceptable degree.
Reading all of their filters the thing that most stands out to me is sylencia's claim to have been roleblocked. Why would a lurking scum suddenly pop up to fake claim a roleblock, especially given the probability someone would counter his claim, and then make him look really scummy? I'm not ready to just give sylencia town cred for his claim, but I'd be interested to know what others think of his claim (besides speculation on RB vs JK).
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BTW, The reason I bring up the roleblock claim is that it's basically the only interesting thing I saw in all 3 of the lurker's filters. If you guys are done discussing it that's fine.
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On February 16 2013 09:02 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 09:01 warbaby wrote:On February 16 2013 08:12 TestSubject893 wrote:
Despite my how much Corazon's play is annoying me right now, zare is right. We need to stop giving the lurkers so much slack let's focus some effort there and stop beating up on the people who actually post for a little while. Agreed. I'm done making accusations against active players for the time being. Shockingly, we need to hear more from mandalor, sylencia, and (less so) sevryn. It's actually pretty great that sevryn made some posts on page 65, and I think they were higher quality than those of sylencia on page 59. But I think all 3 are still lurking to an unacceptable degree. Reading all of their filters the thing that most stands out to me is sylencia's claim to have been roleblocked. Why would a lurking scum suddenly pop up to fake claim a roleblock, especially given the probability someone would counter his claim, and then make him look really scummy? I'm not ready to just give sylencia town cred for his claim, but I'd be interested to know what others think of his claim (besides speculation on RB vs JK). Umm...confirmation bias?
No, it was a hypothetical explaining why I think his claim could be real.
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On February 16 2013 09:03 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm sorry, I need to explain that more.
Why are you assuming Syl is lurking scum?
I'm not, I was using it as part of a hypothetical scenario to explore whether or why he might fake claim.
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That's a good point, ObviousOne. Like I already said, I'm not giving him any town cred for his claim, it's just the only thing a lurker has done that I can find worth discussing, so far.
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Right now I want to order the lurkers as such; scummyness descending:
Sylencia - So very little effort in his filter. roleblock claim might just be a lazy uncaring scum tactic to gain town cred. Doesn't follow up at all why he should get town cred, though, which I guess looks good.
Sevryn - Seems to be that he puts a little more effort into his posts. Posts like this show that sevryn may actually be interested in moving the discussion forward, instead of speculating on stuff that hasn't happened yet.
Mandalor - His filter seems to have the most effort behind it. When he does make posts, they seem to be on point and at least somewhat helpful to the greater discussion.
There's still a lot of time left before we need to lynch anybody on D3. It's hard to lead a discussion on a void, but hopefully we get some more posts from these three to work with over the 72+ hour period before D3 end.
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Geript voted for Mocsta and WoS. Perhaps the night shot on geript was defensive?
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Oh, he also voted for me, but I'm not sure if it was a joke since it was right at the start of the game.
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For reference, here's geript's case on Mocsta. Would this be enough to elicit a defensive kill?
Geript has a point. While geript's early vote on me was odd, but why did Mocsta immediately jump on board? His other points about Mocsta are basically part of what I was talking about last night. Mocsta was being really pushy and manipulative D1, which I extend to a meta case based on his scum play in XXXV.
Anyway, I'm not going to go on another Mocsta witch hunt, it would be tunneling. I just want to bring highlight this now that we have info from the OO flip.
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Following up on Corazon's questions...
I currently think Sylencia is the scummiest of the lurkers, due to the extreme lack of effort in his filter. I'd like Sylencia to explain why he's less scummy than sevryn and mandalor, if he can.
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On February 16 2013 12:09 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 12:01 warbaby wrote:
Following up on Corazon's questions...
I currently think Sylencia is the scummiest of the lurkers, due to the extreme lack of effort in his filter. I'd like Sylencia to explain why he's less scummy than sevryn and mandalor, if he can. Don't you think it would be more prudent to ask all of them why the other two are scummier? Or do you feel like we need to go lurker-by-lurker?
I'd be overjoyed other two responded as such (or made just make post in the first place). But yeah I'm highlighting sylencia for now.
Maybe that's wrong, since sevryn did help mislynch glurio. Sevryn states here that he voted glurio because glurio made a crappy case, and because he thought I was getting too much attention? Those are some pretty bad reasons to vote someone when there are lurkers about.
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EBWOP: or just make posts in the first place
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Sevryn, I've been working on the assumption that there are 3 scum. Let's assume you're right that sylencia and Mandalor are scum. Who do you think the 3rd scum could be?
Do you think any of the active players have been attacking you harder than sylencia and Mandlor, because they know you're the one remaining town lurker?
Does anyone think we can extend this hypothetical to scenarios where sevryn and sylencia are scum? Or sevryn and mandalor?
My point is that if two lurkers are scum, then one active player is scum, and perhaps we can spot a difference between the way active players have been treating the different lurkers.
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I agree with testsubject and zarepath. I don't have a lot to contribute right now. Mandalor is lurking hardest at this point, hopefully he'll pop in soon.
Anyway, I'll do my best to review the thread and post reads before N2 is out.
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On February 17 2013 08:30 Mocsta wrote:
*IF you were town*
I am not sure why you have the confidence to make these types of posts; before the final hour deadline to be honest.
I am perfectly happy working with hypotheticals that involve my own alignment. I don't think this is scummy in the least. I did the same thing as town in 36.
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On February 17 2013 08:39 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 14:46 cDgCorazon wrote:
2. Continuing to play the victim from the mislynch in NMM 36.
I'm not playing the victim, I'm pointing to the fact that I'm always happy to work with hypothetical scenarios that involve my own alignment, and consistently so.
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