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On February 20 2013 09:18 jaybrundage wrote: I agree with your reads simply put. And I wouldnt even call it a real sheep dont forgot I was pushing Djo early on as scummy. Before anyone else even noticed him. I was actually on the VE wagon. And I reallllly wanted to lynch him. Also I been saying Phagga was scummy all game. Sooooo yea there's that. Anyway you say im likley town. And if we both agree on whos scum what's the problem You said that about 7 out of 13 people, see https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsP1hp8cIarUdGlZNGk4cF96Vll3QkdhVzVsT0ZNRFE&usp=sharing Also, you posted this list a few minutes before you posted the excel sheet, which also includes prplhz and Oats that are listed as town in your sheet. On February 12 2013 06:07 jaybrundage wrote: Ok here is my guess for the scum team :D first time doing this so be nice. VisceraEyes, Mr.Cheesecake, OatsMaster, Yamato77/prplhz So you called 9 out of 10 people scummy or scum on D3 in a timespan of 6 minutes (excluding Palmar and JX who had already flipped, and yourself). Good job. I guess you always have to keep your doors open as scum, right? I still want to lynch Jay. I feel confident about him being scum. I think that Cheese and Oats are town. I'm undecided about the rest. I think Yamato and debears are probably town, but that makes VE and sloosh scum with jay, which does not feel right. So I currently really wanna get rid of jay, and move on from there. Sloosh: Ok, VE and I are scum (according to your reads). Snarfs is scum. D3 there is a wagon on Snarfs and one on VE. According to you, I, as scum, switch from one wagon on a scum to another wagon on a scum in a completely unconvincing fashion after I had my vote on a townie. Are you really that dellusional to believe this? Hell, it was clear that I would get heat for that vote switch, are you seriously believing scum would take such a risk? For what gain? Reread how D3 ended, and imagine that VE and I are both scum. Does that behaviour make sense to you? I mean, it is obvious for everyone that I did not get town cred for that vote switch. So why would I do this if I, VE and snarfs are scum? Also, some stuff you bring up now against me is just plain ridicoulus. Want some examples? On February 20 2013 15:08 slOosh wrote: - As scum you also fear going against the flow. Aka, his backing off of VE and yamato cases when they weren't getting support. VE was one of the two major wagons D3, how is backing off of my case on him going against the flow? On February 20 2013 15:22 slOosh wrote: - jay notices phagga missing. wants more info on Snarfs That was in the middle of the night in my timezone (5.30 am if I translated it correctly). I had written a post about 6.5 hours earlier. Jay even did that a second time AGAIN when it was in the middle of the night in my timezone. If anything, that should tell you something about jay, not me. Most of the stuff you write by now is you looking for the scummiest interpretation of my action, ignoring that everything can be explained as town motivated as well. When I'm asking you questions or writing you back, you are mostly ignoring me. Unless someone else besides you wants my comments on the stuff you write about me, I'm done replying to it. Seeing how you are covering jay and ignoring debears request to debunk his case on jay too, you are the one who I see as the biggest liability for town. ##Vote Sloosh Sorry for the absence, lots of real life stuff came up this week. I will not be on too much today, but will hopefully find more time from tomorrow on again. I should be around for another hour or two. | ||
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On February 21 2013 00:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Phagga Top 2 scumreads 2-3 lines. GOGOGOGO Jay: Not taking hard stances early on (into D3). Defending snarfs until the last moment. Awkward reaction after snarfs lynch. See debears case. Sloosh or VE. Currently it looks like Yamato is being lynched, and I'd guess he will flip town. Scum needs to set up a misslynch for tomorrow. Jay, Cheese, VE and Sloosh are all pushing me as possible misslynch. Jay is scum, Cheese is town, leaves either Sloosh or VE. VE: I don't like how he disappeared a few times in important moments (Check his activity around the prplhz lynch. goes of to improve his reads, promises feedback, never comes back. Or Mocsta: makes a case and votes Mocsta, disappears). His case on Mocsta was bad and felt scum motivated. Sloosh: His logic has been bad a few times as I pointed out, his recent "evidence" for me being scum is sometimes outright ridiculous, which he might try to use as a setup for a misslynch. | ||
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On February 21 2013 16:17 yamato77 wrote: Could you scream mafia any louder, phagga? Yeah, I can. Is that alignment-indicative? Also, I am in the train, so I don't really want to scream right now. Don't you worry, Yamato, I got more to write, but not from the phone. Also, noone gives a shit about what I post by now anyway, at least that's how I perceive it, cause I am totes scum, you know. | ||
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On February 21 2013 17:00 yamato77 wrote: You have to sheep your town reads, silly, or you're doing it wrong. Another reason it makes zero sense for phagga to want to kill jay, but hey, I think we all know he's mafia, too. Ok look I was starting to write a post where I wanted to point out how ridicoulus all those associations are you guys are drawing. I started to list the different suspects being thrown around, and it looked like this: These people stated yesterday that they think debears is scum: Sloosh, Cheese, Jay, Oats These people stated the they think Jay is scum: VE, Oats, Debears, Phagga These people statet they think phagga is scum: Sloosh, Cheese, Jay, VE and with a weaker read Yamato. Let me colour that list with my town reads/flips: debears Sloosh, Cheese, Jay, Oats Jay VE, Oats, Debears, Phagga phagga Sloosh, Cheese, Jay, VE and with a weaker read Yamato. Ok, I see the light now. I somehow always thought that all those associations are convoluted and everyone is blaming everyone else and we are just circle jerking here. I see now I was wrong. I will go and read over old town games and the one scum game from jay and then post what I find, and what of it is applicable for this game and what not. So not lynching jay for now. | ||
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D1 play This is one of Jays better posts in British Empire D1: On January 05 2013 14:22 jaybrundage wrote: You have attempted to not trod on anyones toes this game. You think hapa and dp are town you think Xalatos is town/null You give some weak reads on yamato and me. And then you say you would consider voting DP but would be hesitant. Question what made you switch? You said you thought he was town, But now you can see your self voting for him. What made you go from probably town to possible lynch target as scum. Also with all that has happened in the thread any new scum reads? He is drawing his own conclusion, asking questions, trying to figure stuff out. He is not scared to put his vote on someone who is not currently under scrutiny by others: On January 06 2013 03:32 jaybrundage wrote: First off you said you have done this before how many times have you done this tunneling on DP and out of the times you have done it how many times have you been wrong. If you play with DP alot and you can read him consistently then I will reconsider my position. The reason I find him scummy as been said before. Is his flip flopping on Hapa from hes obv completly with out a doubt scum to i have no fucking idea. It seemed to me like scum backing off of a mislynch they were pushing gone wrong. I personally put alot less faith in reading people's reactions to when they are about to be or going to be lynched. The quote was me being frustrated with DP's flip flopping he has gone from scum to town to scum now giving someone townie cred for the possibility of one of his scum reads being town. So yes he did change his opinion on hapa again. I didnt say anything wrong. Also I dont like CC hes doing absolutely nothing this game. He has made some worthless comments about concentrating on finding scum. He was mentioning the DP-Hapa conversations early one with out giving his opinion on him hasn't commentated much on it when DP was doing some scummy stuff. He makes a case on Xalatos for making a 180 on DP and calls him scummy for it. However when DP does so many 180s on Hapa hes trying to pull off a 900. CC doesn't give it a second thought although DP is doing the samething as Xalatos CC ignores it. CC has played like he has more knowledge on other townies. He would of known if DP and Hapa were town or not so he played accordingly. Also his lack of anything in his filter is really disconcerting. He has said useless 1 liners. And made a case of 180s that were exactly what DP was doing. ##Unvote ##Vote Mr.CheeseCake Also he is constantly asking others about their opinions on his case and his scum reads. He is trying to figure stuff out. Of course Mr. Cheese was town, so he was tunneling a townie, but there is a clear position to be found in his play. If I compare this to Nomination mafia, His D1 play is similar. In the very first post, he makes an analysis of the player he does not like and votes him: On February 07 2013 09:42 jaybrundage wrote: Howdy all The person that stuck out the post for me was Djo. I'm surprised more people haven't commented on him. He starts out with his post. He seemingly "randomly" picks Oats out for a RNG lynch. But he uses Oats post number and uses a number that will give him Oats as his target. Its not random so why does he call it random. He proposes using the random lynch to create discussion. But then uses it as an excuse to stop conversation and discussion and not give his thoughts on Mocsta. When Oats ask's him what his thoughts are on lynching him. Djo again dodges the question further showing that he never intended to try to participate in the conversation and discussion that his RNG lynch was supposed to create. He instead sidesteps the question because he wants other players to comment first. Citing Palmar as well trying to get solid town vet behind it. Every since his RNG lynch he has been pushing Oats and not really contributing hiding behind his lynch to get away with saying anything of significance. Town Djo can write a damn good case. I think we have scum Djo here hiding behind a RNG to not contribute. Also note his complete disappearing act after contributing nothing. ##Vote Djodref He is trying to pressure him, asks other people about his case and is interested in figuring Djo out. HOWEVER, the vote switch to JX is a bit off. His argumentation is that we have to consolidate, so he switches to JX who he thinks has a good chance to flip scum. On February 08 2013 02:54 jaybrundage wrote: In response to prplhz about my pressure on Djo. I pressured Djo because I didn't like the way he was posting and using his RNG lynch to avoid discussion. I still don't see him as town and think people have let him go to quick as silly town. As i stated tho we need to consolidate and i would be fine doing it on JX. While he started posting he is doing a terrible job of establishing his townieness and i still think he can flip scum. Also how the votes are spread out makes me think that JX has an even likelier chance to flip scum. Palmar I would would like your thoughts on the JX lynch In British Empire, he kept his vote on Cheesecake even though town was consolidating on another target, as he said he thought that the target was not scum. The situations are therefore not directly comparable. Regarding his sheeping It is very true that it seems to be his normal town play to sheep strong town leaders. He sheeps Hapa like made in British IF he thinks that Hapas reads make sense. Jay openly disagrees with Hapa on DP, while blatantly sheeping him on other occasions. On January 08 2013 13:44 jaybrundage wrote: Yes I Sheeped Hapa in that moment, as did most of the thread on his case on you. Then Hapa turned around and gave you a town read. He explained his thought process a bit but i wasnt quite convinced. Why is it wrong to not go with everyones reads. I see nothing wrong with being suspicious of you. Would you pref i just sheep whatever the fuck hapa is saying. I then asked him again how many games he played with you has he been able to read you well before and he gave me two instances when he correctly read you as town. So with the new information i decided that I could change my read on you as scum to leaning townie. I didn't just drop my scummy read. I looked at new information presented and changed it accordingly. I believe you do the same. he is also always asking for Hapas opinions on stuff. We see the same sheeping here in Nomination, even with the occasional disagreement. I don't think I need to quote anything here from the current game. Jay is lynchbait British Empire: Jay generally played ok on D1. However, after Yamato (scum) hammered Xatalos kinda premature, Jay got pissed at him, which prompted the following reaction from Hapa: On January 08 2013 07:22 jaybrundage wrote: First off I didn't think some people would just hammer out of the blue. I expected town to reach a conclusion together and as a whole. Im also not used to Instant lynch. I thought I would have more time. I did try to stop the lynch before it happened. When i checked on the thread. Xatalos was at 4. So I posted that we shouldnt move on the lynch. But it was to late at that point and i got ninja'd by Yamatos hammer. I had a null read on Xatalos Slighty leaning townie. I put my vote where my suspicions lie and it is and still has been CC. Why do you have this terrible town read on him. Would you be down for a lynch on him tmw? Also Z-Boson is kinda erking me. I have played with him only once before that i can remember and he did a good job as scum. So im kind of suspicious of him to say the least... I fully support DPs case. And that we should move on the lynch Later on he also wrote that he would be down with a ShiaoPi lynch, followed by this post: On January 08 2013 13:48 jaybrundage wrote: DP how do you feel about a Shaiopi lynch i think his stark inactivity could hurt us whether hes scum or town? Which of course got him the accusation that he did not care if he lynched town or mafia. Several People started to call him out, until he got help from Hapa to settle things. But its a nice example of why he seems to get into trouble. I got the impression that he sometimes writes faster than he thinks, which leads to posts that are ambigous, which then leads to him getting in trouble. However, when I compare his play in British with Nomination, there really is not much of a difference. Except for one point. Stance on Lurkers On January 08 2013 13:48 jaybrundage wrote: DP how do you feel about a Shaiopi lynch i think his stark inactivity could hurt us whether hes scum or town? That post was at D2. compare it to his reaction of the snarfs lynch on D3: On February 13 2013 11:21 jaybrundage wrote: Wow did not see that coming. Snarf's complete lack of input this game really made me think he was just a silent townie. Glad you guys saw who was scum better then I did. Great job town This does not match at all. He clearly states in British that silent people hurt town, no matter if they are scum or town. However, in Nomination he is willing to just let snarfs slide by as "silent townie". This is really the big difference between the two plays. considering that snarfs flipped scum, that really does not help his case. On the other side I have to say that his meta seems quite alike to his town game in British Empire. IF he is mimicking his town meta as scum, he is generally doing a pretty good job. Not impossible, but improbable. I promised to also go through his scum game and (if I find time) through another town game. I can't do that tonight, I really need sleep. I do hope I will be able to deliver it before tomorrows deadline (in the next 26 hours or so). I tried to follow the argument of VE and Yamato, and I still think VE is scum. However, i will reread this for sure tomorrow and give you an update. | ||
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Debears case on Jay On February 17 2013 01:53 debears wrote: He pushed VE hard with no case written on VE at all by himself. He just suddenly decided "hey, VE is totes scum". You don't find that weird after he wrote about yamato? + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2013 13:02 jaybrundage wrote: YAMATO Cause Palmar said so WELP HERE WE GO Well first of all there's this Lets start from the top Yamato wants to lynch Mocsta as quite a bit of people viewed Mocsta scummy at first Oats naming one and i know he had about 3-4 votes at one point in time. However when Mocsta actually writes up his defense Yamato completly back tracks. And chalks it up to Mocsta misunderstanding his case? Yamato thought Mocsta was scum it wouldn't be misunderstanding it would be him twisting words. And then Yamato just flips it around and calls Mocsta town later. Ok So here Yamato comes full circle in Mocsta from hes scum to idk to yea hes town. And get this then Yamato calls JX scummy for calling Mocsta scum when a short while ago. Yamato was going after Mocsta with a pick axe. Also note his need as scum to want to kill Palmar ASAP. Here he just becomes unreasonable demanding a JX lynch while not even listening to alternatives The sole reason he wants to go after people now is lack of activity. He legit with all the information we have got from two lynches is gonna do a lurker lynch is he fucking srs? Yes lurking can be a tell of scum. But to use it alone as who you decide to kill at this point in the game is just a easy scum route. Also look at the people that he's defending VE prlhz the exact people that Palmar and Sloosh are going for. Also keep in mind his one track mind to want ot lynch Palmar. We have SCUM Yamato here. ##Vote Yamato Then, there's jay's refusal to lynch snarfs. + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 13:23 jaybrundage wrote: 1 Hey last game I was scum I used attacks on Bugs to rile him up and make him not think clearly. Nicely done. 2 Stop using emotional bullshit to try to pull out a response from people. Also you refuse to find a second candidate. WTF is this? If your town then start looking. Snarfs is not gonna be killed today. I have said this like three times and you refuse to answer. WHAT'S YOUR SECOND SCUM READ What was his reasoning for not lynching snarfs??????? + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 11:56 jaybrundage wrote: Snarfs: I thought snarfs was scummy for a bit. But with my change of read on VE and the way snarf was pushing VE since day 1 I have come around on him also the fact that the people who are voting him are in my scum team makes it so I think that he's a mislynch that scum is pushing. My last comment on him was to many scum want him dead and its true alot of scummy people are pushing him as a mislynch. Yamato is still a scum candidate. I'll give more thoughts on him later. I want to see his posting and what he plans to do because so far its been jack shit. The reasons you stated are the exact reasons they are probably scum. CC has sat under the radar. He hasn't been pressured and he hasn't done anything. His flipflop on yamato is also scummy as hell. Oats as well he started off decent too many people gave him a pass on his conversation with you. Since then he hasn't contributed to the town at all. You like that logical fallacy thing eh. Well ill use it against you.  not. That guy Palmar... Ill give ya a secret He's an expert Also just so you note. Oats was on Palmars town list. I do take his reads seriously but I don't mind branching out either. Was his town read on snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play? Hell no. It was an association, based on no flips, based on a couple votes on snarfs. WHY DID JAY NOT MENTION ANALYSIS OF SNARFS PLAY IF HE HAS SUCH A STRONG READ ON HIM If jay was town, he would defend snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play, not some "oh, i think these guys are scum and voting this other guys even though i have no analysis on the guy they are voting". Oats, Ctrl F jay's filter for snarfs. You will see what i mean To the caps lock: Look again at what I posted earlier about jays play in British Empire. Jay made some comments about Xatalos being scummy. After Yamato hammered Xatalos, Jay attacked him for this, saying that it was bad because he thought Xatalos looked townie. Hapa picked up on this: On January 08 2013 02:07 Hapahauli wrote: @ Jay You don't mention Xatalos much at all in your filter. Though before the lynch, you make two notable comments on Xatalos: In the first comment, you acknowledge ShaioPi's suspicion on Xatalos. In the second comment (two hours before the lynch), you promise to look into him. However, two hours of suspicion against Xatalos pass (including cases dropped by both CC and Z-Boson). You don't post in favor of Xatalos until post-lynch: You have many harsh words to say about the lynch (and apparently you were seeing townie things in his filter), and not once did you even attempt to step in and stop things. Not only this, but I can't make coherent sense of your suspicions. You were expressing a lot of desire to lynch Mr.CC post-flip, and in this post, you think MrZ and Yamato are the ones that are "scummy as fuck." Why did you not step in to stop the Xatalos lynch? Apparently you were reading his filter at the time suspicion against him was taking off, were seeing townie things in said filter, and simply did not post about it. Explain your suspicions right now. They aren't coherent. This is a very similar situation as with snarfs here. As I said earlier, I feel that jay has the habit to write faster than he thinks. He does not get back to make sure he is staying true to his earlier statements, he is acting on his guts, sometimes contradicting himself, and that leads him into trouble. So the whole snarfs situation is (contrary to what I believed earlier) not a scum tell for Jay. He could have very well reacted like this as townie. This also goes for the argumentation around the palmar lynch. In British Empire, Jay hinted that he thought Xatalos looked scummy. Xatalos gets hammered, and after the lynch Jay comes back and bitches at Yamato for hammering him because he thought he looked townie. The fact that Jay did pretty much the same thing as Townie in British Empire increases the possibility that his behaviour around the Palmar lynch was not scum motivated. On February 17 2013 02:01 debears wrote: If he was so sure VE was scum, why did he not provide analysis and reasoning that would persuade others that VE is scum? Why did he have to resort to screaming "OMG VE is scum!!!!!" Where is the logical, persuasive reasoning that a townie would provide to persuade people to his lynch? There wasn't any. There was just begging for people to not lynch scum (snarfs) and lynch VE instead In British Empire Jay pushed Z-Boson with the following argument: - "I think Mr. Zentor is scum and Z-Boson is his partner" - "I cannot imagine a Yamato/Zentor scum team" That were is arguments for z-boson being scum. All of them. On February 17 2013 02:16 debears wrote: Oats I have one more thing for you. I would also like input from others (not named Jay) on what I've wrote. What do you think about Jay's comments around the Palmar lynch? What does that post accomplish from each perspective by jay? Town - he is 99.999999% sure palmar is town. He wants to spread suspicion on everyone on the palmar wagon (even though not all the palmar wagon can be scum). He's pissed for people voting for a wagon that he was on for most of the day. He pissed because he came in with only 30 minutes left til lynch to suddenly argue for palmar What kind of town comes back 30 minutes before lynch, to suddenly switch his vote and then proceed to flame everyone about lynching a townie when he was on that townies wagon for most of the day before the flip? Scum - he knows palmar is town. He helps contribute to the palmar wagon. Then, with 30 minutes left he switches votes to act angry to look townie Bitching about a mislynch is in no way pro-town. Bitching about a mislynch when you do nothing to prevent that mislynch (coming in 30 minutes before and making two posts is not doing anything) is scummy as shit. See above. On February 17 2013 02:25 debears wrote: Yes, it's possible. Here's my problem with jay day 1 - Votes JX day 2 - votes palmar, then switches to mocsta and bitches about palmars lynch day 3 - hard defends snarfs, votes for VE Is he having that bad of a game and coincidentally doing multiple scummy things, or is he just scum? I'll keep looking The whole reason I originally followed your case is that it would make sense on most players. But if I compare his play with that of another townie game, I see that all this stuff comes from him as townie too. All your points are not alignment-indicative for Jay. They may indeed be Town-Jay-motivated. Thus you're case is weak, and brings no proof why jay is scum. And when I read Dessert Mini Mafia (where he was scum), it gets even worse. His meta this game does not match his meta in dessert at all. In Dessert, he is not analysing anything, he is not asking questions, he barely asks for the opinion of others. He talks about past games, attacks people personally (calling their cases / posts "shit" without argumentation), and how does he vote? On January 14 2013 13:11 jaybrundage wrote: WBG Answer this plz. I could lynch either one. But imma gonna go ahead and go with Xatalos. I dont like his posts. His attack of me doesnt seem to have much merit. I dont like his hard flip on Kush. Hes calling me out for doing nothing when hes done less. He throws some baseless accusations at me and just seems like hes trying ot go for an easy mislynch. Scum seem to have a habit of trying to get me mislynched day one. Soo why not use it to my advantage. I think your scum trying to put some pressure on an easy target. Well fuck that. ##Vote Xatalos There is zero analysis on Xatalos, it's just a counter-vote without any reasoning in the same post where he also calls out two other players and states that he would lynch them, still without zero analysis. And yes, Xatalos is his scum mate, but it's not directly relevant here. He later on voted Sloosh with a pseudo-analysis that was worthless (circular logic). In short, when he is town, he tries to figure stuff out, asks others about their opinions constantly and analyises the play of others. He does have is off-moments, where he votes with barely any reason, sometimes just sheeping a strong town player. As scum, he just votes, slings shit around and does ZERO analysis. I also checked his filter in Normal Mini Mafia IV. He replaced in there (as town), and that filter is even more to his meta here than British. Therefore I conclude that we are probably seeing town-jay, not scum-jay. Of course, there is the off-chance that he is indeed mimicking his townplay, but I doubt it. I will not vote jay today. | ||
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On February 22 2013 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Because Palmar showed up and tried to DERAIL THE JX LYNCH! I thought that meant that JX was his scumbuddy and I was willing to consolidate on JX based on his inactivity ANYWAY. All Palmar posted was: On February 08 2013 05:18 Palmar wrote: Again I can't help too much this phase. I'm not plugged well enough into the game to be willing to hard defend JX, but what little reading I've done doesn't seem to indicate he's scum. I would hope you guys can settle for an alternative lynch. Also, VE only voted JX after I asked him if he was still willing to consolidate onto JX (spoilered parts of my quote for readability): On February 08 2013 06:38 phagga wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2013 05:36 VisceraEyes wrote: The JX wagon popped up quick. FAST quick. I mean, this is like the end of the phase really with people going to bed. Uh what? not even 4 hours ago the votecount looked like this: On February 08 2013 02:12 Mocsta wrote: UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT Palmar (3) - Djo, Mocsta, JX JX (2) - phagga, Yamato77 Snarfs (2) - Mr.CC, Oatsmaster prplhz (2) - Palmar, VE Djodref (1) - JayBrundage VE (1) - Snarfs No Vote (2) -sl0osh, prplhz And that was AFTER some folks jumped away from JX again. Since then Mocsta, Oatsmaster, Cheesecake and Jaybrundage voted JX, which makes 6 votes out of 13 (or 12, if we take JX' vote away). How is that a fast quick wagon on JX? He has been discussed all day. Also: Is this still true? If not, what changed for you? On February 08 2013 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Snarfs ##Vote: JieXian It's still true - it was just an observation. I wouldn't say he's been discussed "all day"...he doesn't even have enough content to warrant all-day discussion. And his resurgence into the thread when the threat of lynch is real certainly doesn't speak well for him either. And look at the time stamps. That's over 1.5 hours after Palmars post, and VE was active the whole time. Palmar was not. After Palmar had made his statement, noone unvoted JX. Also, VE never voiced any fear about Palmar derailing the lynch at that point. So I think that's a blatant lie of VE. Regarding VE's self-vote. On February 21 2013 11:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Is VE just a retard? STAY TUNED TO FIND OUT! On February 22 2013 09:31 VisceraEyes wrote: This is the way the world ends. Not with cries of pain, children screaming for their mothers....but with thunderous applause. You win Yamato. ##Vote: VisceraEyes That should answer it. Oh, and just in case, from Wheel of Fortune Post-Game discussion. On May 07 2012 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote: I'll give you some examples: from my past games, the only times I have trolled for extended periods of time with no real change in play were when I was scum. All the other times, if I have ever trolled/brought attention to myself it was either a gambit or out of exasperation with the game. Since then I've realized that gambiting is to be used rarely and that it often doesn't work as town. Voting yourself, for example, is a stupid way to establish yourself as town because anyone can do it (any scum with balls will do it) and it doesn't reveal anything about your alignment. It doesn't further discussion; it in fact impedes it, and it doesn't help find scum; it goes against it. And from Chrono Trigger ingame discussion: On November 30 2012 23:00 Acrofales wrote: I've seen it done by both. In my newbie game the first person to vote for himself was town. After that it became a thing and scummers did it in the same game too. VE has voted for himself on numerous occasions regardless of his alignment. Those are the examples I can come up with. All I can say on the subject is that it's stupid. So don't get fooled by that self-vote from VE. | ||
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On February 23 2013 04:06 jaybrundage wrote: Ok I do think VE is scum. I feel less confident on Phagga. However if CC is having doubts I think we should go with Debears then We all believe he is scum. So why not make the switch. What do you guys think. @Phagga I appreciate your defending me based on meta. But at this point I am not a lynch candidate anyway. I would like to see more posts that scumhunt from you rather then defend me (as I am not gonna get lynched today) I'm not defending you, I'm laying out my fucking thoughts on why I switch my read on you. I have been yelled at enought that I seem to "back out of my reads without reason" and that I'm just "going with the flow", and I'm sick of it. | ||
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On February 23 2013 03:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Then lynch Debears you fool. Why the fuck, if we are scum together, would I call Jay town and not just push his lynch? Like holy shit are you blind.... Lynch Debears or Phagga idc which. It's actually funny because everyone sheeped my scumteam prediction and now thinks I'm scum for wanting to lynch a different person on the list. Hilarious. No, I think you are scum because you are pushing me like mad, without giving any explanation about all the associations you claim. Once its me and debears, then me and jay, then me and oats. Why? Noone knows, because you just want to sling shit at me, you don't want to give out reasons. And what's the case on me, anyway? That post that is over a week old and is full of lies and misrepresentation? The fact that I did not intent to lynch snarf until you brought out your case? But did you not make the case exactly to make people vote snarf together with you? Why is it wrong then that I took it as the base for my vote? Oh, and a pro-tip: Jay never wanted to lynch snarfs in the first place. But interestingly enough, that rather seems to make him town in your eyes. On February 23 2013 01:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: You know I'm town, Jay. I 'confirmed' you town to the entire thread and took you off the ballot for todays lynch. We need to derail this lynch. VE could be scum, but Phagga is 100% guarenteed. He has done nothing today but buddy you and be like 'yeah, let's lynch VE :D' <--- I doubt that's a bus, because if VE were to fall, Phagga and Debears scumteam would be outed. I'm buddying up to jay? You must be fucking kidding me. I tried to show everyone the reason why I switch my read on jay. It's called laying out your thoughts. But hey, I know someone who is hardcore buddying up jay: On February 23 2013 01:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Jay Don't you think it's a bit odd that everyone who thought you were scum suddenly sheeped me and put you as town? I think VE is a mislynch today. Nobody is opposing this lynch -- literally everyone including myself wants VE dead. At lylo, that's never a good sign for town and I've only ever seen it end up in a mislynch. The only one hard defending VE is Debears, and it really has to be a stunt. Scumteam is: Phagga / Oats / Debears Both Oats / Debears have defended Phagga and not wanted to lynch him. As soon as I put out my Phagga / Debears / VE theory everybody instantly bandwagoned onto VE -- who I was least sure about. Debears is hard defending VE because he wants town to believe VE is scum. It's that simple. If they were scumbuddies, we'd have seen a bus or try to push a more realistic lynch candidate. This hard-defend of VE is nothing more than a play to 'confirm' VE as scum. He just wants to lynch VE -- and, in reality, the best way to assure that happens is to oppose his lynch. It makes so much sense. I'll put it right out for you here, Jay. Yamato is blind. He even thinks I'm scum (which, he has in every game I've played with him as town). Scum is sitting back, feet up, smoking a cigar and counting the votes to the VE mislynch. Phagga and Oats are on board with it. They have every other town vote in the game. Debears is opposing the lynch just to make it seem like they are scumbuddies so VE can get lynched even harder, confirming the scumteam in Yamato's head. It's brilliant, really, but sad that they have to manipulate Yamato to do it. You know I'm town, Jay. I 'confirmed' you town to the entire thread and took you off the ballot for todays lynch. We need to derail this lynch. VE could be scum, but Phagga is 100% guarenteed. He has done nothing today but buddy you and be like 'yeah, let's lynch VE :D' <--- I doubt that's a bus, because if VE were to fall, Phagga and Debears scumteam would be outed. VE is a mislynch, and it's becoming more obvious as time goes on. But hey folks, it's easy, cause you know, cheese is constantly rereading the thread and reconsidering his reads: On February 21 2013 11:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I want to get this right and not fuck it up. I want my target to be 100% certain to flip scum. As such, I will reconsider my reads on Phagga / Jay (one of them is scum, this is a certainty. The recent loljayistown sheep on me is bothersome, but not entirely wrong) as well as VE. On February 19 2013 12:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I have a few more ideas other than 'Lol jay / phagga scum'. On February 21 2013 16:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Nomination wifom best wifom. I see your point, though. As I said, I want to be 100% sure of this lynch. There are other possibilities to consider. screaming VE scum over and over at lylo doesnt achieve much. It just makes you bad, even if you are right. Yamato, characteristically you are a very confirmation biased and clouded townie. Im nkt saying you arent right in this case, but there are better ways to go about things. I'll do a full write up tomorrow on who we should lymch. If it's VE, cool. wagon of justice. However, when does write ups and reconsiderations come up, there is just him yelling "phagga is scum, together with YX", and no explanation why this is the case. Look it up. For several pages of filter, Cheese has gone on and on about me and the scum team, never telling WHY I am scum and WHERE the association lies with his other suspects. This ties in nicely with his lack of cases. Remember D3? Cheese flooded us with cases that day. Yamato, me and Snarfs each got one, how nice of him. However, since the 14th (that's over 8 days now) Cheese has not given any justification why someone besides me is scum. The only thing he wrote is a paragraph about debears where he concludes that debears is scum because of his interpretation of my vote switch on snarfs and because he soft-defended me! That's the whole basis why cheese thinks debears is scum! Further on, there is no explanation on why Oats could be scum, just that it would fit some association that was never explained. And to top it off, i was called out by VE that I gave no reason why I think VE is scum. However, cheese never gave any reason why VE is scum, and VE never called him out. Gee, I wonder why. Could it be because they are scumbuddies? | ||
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On February 23 2013 05:25 jaybrundage wrote: @Phagga. Ok at this point I would like a list of your town reads and your scum reads. Also who you want to lynch today Town: Yamato, probably Jay Scum: Ve, Cheese I'm feeling unsure about the third scum. I want to lynch VE, then progress from there. If Cheese is in the nomination, I will vote/push him. | ||
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 GG all! And thanks for Hosting, GM. Any comment on my play would be appreciated. | ||
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Regarding the setup, I would propose to make the nomination Days 24/24 instead of 24/48. Additionally, it might be worth a shot to shorten the regular lynch days to 24 hours after the third day. like this: D1 48 hours D2 24/24 D3 48 hours D4 24/24 D5 24 D6 24/24 D7 24 and so on. The 48 hours period is nice on the first two odd days, but I felt after the fourth day, with the nomination phase and everything, the odd days could be shortened to 24 hours as well. | ||
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