EPTCould you 'bump' your concerns with him?
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On February 12 2013 02:27 slOosh wrote: ... You seriously ask me to bump when I have a 2 page filter? Really? You can't do this yourself? Nope, lazy. First quote: What's wrong with what VE did there? He expresses he wants to talk with nomination candidates about the lynch tomorrow (and today). Is that a mafia agenda? What is odd is that he disagrees with Phagga, but provides no reasoning. That actually brings up a good point. Why DOES he disagree... he has never explained it. I want to know this. Second quote: The joke was a joke... indicative by the heart at the end. Ehh. Seemed pretty light-hearted to me. But that Phagga stuff again. Prove he's not lynch-worthy VE. Third quote: You focus on VE being a good player, but he's not showing that here. I've never played with VE before, so I can't testify to his epicness. I've never even heard of him being that good. The only thing that redeems him is he did take a look at Prphlz who was not a lynch candidate. He did focus a lot on the nomination lynch... Final quote: His job as town is to prove the innocence of Phagga if he thinks he is innocent. He doesn't do this. Good point. VE seems really trolly / nonchalant overall. His filter lacks scumreads and is more joking around than anything. Pushing a mafia agenda? It's iffy. Mafia motivation comes in defending Phagga without reason. The little participation go either way. At least he did push Prphlz. Stuff not related to you SlOosh: VE said he was going to look into me but never did. Then, he just coped out and said 'oh no, im not interested in lynching you, you're good don't worry about it' <---- I fucking hate when people null me like that. He doesn't seem to really care about what other people think about him. Kinda a townie trait to me; at least that's how I'm as town. He's not overly concerned with defending himself which I this is townie as well. So VE: Why do you disagree with a Phagga lynch? More specifically why did you WAIT until today to talk about it. Palmar was right there to discuss. In fact, why did you want to lynch the guy who was so anti-Phagga? Wouldn't you want to discuss it with him? Overall: I'm a bit see-sawy on him. All flip-floppy and such. I like some things, but hate that he voted for SlOosh when he disagreed with his Phagga case without disputing it. We'll see with what he comes out with today. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On February 12 2013 03:07 slOosh wrote: First quote is him saying "I want to talk to slOosh Palmar Mocsta about tomorrow's lynch (outside the nomination pool)". He does the exact opposite by saying he wants to focus on the nomination candidates, despite me talking about phagga. Think about it from his perspective: - "I want to talk to candidates about tomorrow's lynch" - slOosh talks about phagga, who is a potential subject of tomorrow's lynch - "I don't like phagga. I want to focus on today's candidates." I'm not saying that he is a great player and not playing to my expectations of him. I'm saying that he is experienced enough to understand these things, i.e. he isn't someone you can dismiss as "oh he is a newbie, it's understandable he would make that mistake". Regardless, meta isn't my main point here. VE isn't overly concerned about defending himself because there hasn't been an actual threat to lynch him yet. This isn't a town trait. For instance how many people defended themselves last cycle? Is the number 4? Nope. Scum don't bother defending themselves when there is no serious threat against them. Well, you seem to be a serious threat to him sloosh. I'd expect scum to be careful and defendy around you. I'm super confused about his intentions of the last lynch. I keep forgetting that you were a nomination candidate, so I keep thinking he wasn't concerned with you, just the nomination candidates. Yeah VE wtf u doin bruh with yesterday | ||
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And yeah Oats, get off Jay. He's looking scummy right now but I think a more sensible choice is between Yamato/Phagga/Snarfs today. VE if you're so inclined that way. I want to hear Snarf's opinions right now. I still want to lynch the shit out of him, and have no problem doing so. That said, I'm off for work. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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So I'm scum because I'm not posting 1 liners? The main reason I was able to get away with that in british was because i had a fancy doc claim up my butt. Those shenannies really werent beneficial to town at all anyway. Funny case you've got their sonny boy. @"ur flip flop is scummy brah" umad? Yamato was nullish leaning town before i really looked at him. I hated that jay was throwing palmar shit at him. filtered yamato, and thats what youve got. he hasnt responded to any of it but call it scummy, lol  @jay im not doing anything? You arent reading this game. Snarfs case coming in tomorrow. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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@CC rofl you hard defended Yamato and then you backed the fuck up and accused yamato. Im not reading this game? [QUOTE]On January 05 2013 15:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: That's a scummy as shit move you pulled right thar sonny boy.[/QUOTE] RE you switch on Yamato looks scummmmmy. You changed your read like you had additional information that no one else has. You went from hard defending to hard pushing in a moment. Lol k. Cool story you have there. | ||
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SNARFYPOO HE SCUM Original points for reference D1. + Show Spoiler + Snarfs Been playing super neutral so far and non confrontational. Example: On February 06 2013 14:38 Snarfs wrote: I could point out that it looks like one or both of you are purposefully being stubborn to try to draw reactions out of scum, possibly some sort of trap, but I don't know either of you well enough to give you that much credit. If you CAN do something, then you do it. This post serves no purpose other than to illustrate that either Oats or Mocsta could be stubborn for "possibly" some sort of trap, but then says he doesn't have enough information. On February 06 2013 16:22 Snarfs wrote: I think it's a null tell. Town would do it if they wanted to shift the focus off of WIFOM. Scum would do it if they thought it was in town's best interests to be talking about the setup. I've personally never cared for too much setup speculation as most of my scum hunting success has come from observing what they actually do, not guessing at what they should be doing. Another null tell. On February 06 2013 14:34 Snarfs wrote: Not really being swayed either way. Looks like standard day 1 banter. The only real stance he had on someone is VE, but the only justification is for his "disappearing act". Snarfs has had plenty of time to justify his vote, but all I see is "lol people were shouting in thread you weren't there must be scum". Apart from that, the only thing he's done is talk about WIFOM crap. Snarfs plz do something instead of trying to be all blendy and stuff, k? This post reeks of scum: On February 07 2013 23:54 Snarfs wrote: Here and catching up now. I'm just on page 20 and I see Djo is voting Palmar as well?? Guys, Palmar is not a lynch target day 1. Why? Because if he's town, he will find scum! And if he doesn't find scum, we lynch him later in the game! It's that simple! He's too hard to read otherwise, and this is by far the best indicator of his alignment. Lynching him day 1 is way too risky in a cost/benefit sense. As for people doubting my read on VE (clearly this is the case as no one seems to be listening), if you have time right now please look through my history for the game where I vig'd VE night 1 when him and ace were scum. It was one of bugs' games, I can't remember the name right now and I'm on my phone or I'd look it up myself. He's playing exactly like that! Now I'm going to finish catching up. I can make a more detailed case on VE when I'm not lying in bed at 7 am (I'll pull the quoted out of that game for you if no one else does me the favour of linking it). He keeps mentioning that town Palmar will find scum. This is obviously pro town. It is anti-town to this Palmar is scum. Palmar is obviously town. How can you guys not see Palmar is town? Palmar is town. But we can lynch him later it's okay. Funny thing is, he votes for him later despite being somewhat active and having reads. Y u scum Snarfs? "Guy's I'm catching up!" On February 07 2013 23:54 Snarfs wrote: Here and catching up now. I'm just on page 20 and I see Djo is voting Palmar as well?? Guys, Palmar is not a lynch target day 1. Why? Because if he's town, he will find scum! And if he doesn't find scum, we lynch him later in the game! It's that simple! He's too hard to read otherwise, and this is by far the best indicator of his alignment. Lynching him day 1 is way too risky in a cost/benefit sense. As for people doubting my read on VE (clearly this is the case as no one seems to be listening), if you have time right now please look through my history for the game where I vig'd VE night 1 when him and ace were scum. It was one of bugs' games, I can't remember the name right now and I'm on my phone or I'd look it up myself. He's playing exactly like that! Now I'm going to finish catching up. I can make a more detailed case on VE when I'm not lying in bed at 7 am (I'll pull the quoted out of that game for you if no one else does me the favour of linking it). On February 08 2013 01:25 Snarfs wrote: Okay, I'm caught up give me another little bit to get to my computer and I'll do up that case on VE. -SNIP- On February 11 2013 06:49 Snarfs wrote: Bah, I hate saying I'm gonna come back and catch up and then not actually being able to contribute, but my dad wants to go for a walk with the dog. I'm still not sure on who to lynch today after Palmar's last post. I like killing yamato. And Oats. And VE still. I'll be back later to post more. "Dog ate my posts" excuse. He keeps saying he's reading. We should assume you're reading and catching up. Saying it once or twice is fine, but he seems really paranoid about it. "They might think I'm not reading, better tell them". He's also lurking like a boss with family excuses. That's okay, but it's a real cop-out on doing things. The JX lynch There's little to quote here. Never once did Snarfs TALK to or question JX. Town are interested in the lynch, and want to find out the most about the outstanding candidates. Snarfs DID NOT DO THIS. He PUSHED VE the entire day, and did nothing else. He didn't give a SINGLE SHIT (That's no shits given in case you were counting) about the JX lynch. He knew he was town. He didn't want to get involved. All he did was push VE, and then push himself FURTHER away from the lynch here: On February 08 2013 10:27 Snarfs wrote: Hey guys, I'm here from now until deadline, just working on some homework on the side. I haven't had a time to go back over JX's games, but I'm in the same boat as Palmar. Just from a cursory glance, I don't see anything scum-motivated. You don't see anything scum-motivated? Then why aren't you trying to stop this lynch instead of facerolling over VE? On February 08 2013 10:56 Snarfs wrote: I've tried to make myself as clear as possible in linking VE's meta to this game. I think that some other people who have played with VE in the past are also picking up on it so I feel like I'm finally starting to make my point. And I think JX is gonna get lynched either way. Oats is completely right here. Snarfs wasted his vote -- he didn't want to be tied to the JX lynch. In reference to the red part, he really doesn't care about this lynch... Dawn into day 2 This was basically his contributiong dawn phase: On February 09 2013 10:17 Snarfs wrote: No matter who gets picked, I really don't want to see anyone WIFOMing about why it happened. The lynch choice has to be whoever is most likely to be scum, or least likely to be town. The worst thing that can happen to this town is to waste time trying to guess why scum would pick whoever they end up picking. This was RIGHT before day hit. About 4 or 5 people in the thread, including me, had already said that exact same thing. He essentially copy+pasted what we were saying and posted it to seem pro-town. Kill this guy. In day 2, this is what he did: On February 09 2013 12:04 Snarfs wrote: ##Vote Palmar Scummiest so far. Pretty much it. Called inactive Palmar frustrating and that was it. Today On February 11 2013 16:24 Snarfs wrote: Can someone please summarize the points against me so I can address them? I'm sorry but as I've alluded to before, this weekend is very busy for me with family as it is the family day long weekend in BC and I'm away from home visiting my dad. I'm still down with Yamato, Oats, and Ve. My preference is VE > Oats > Yamato. To summarize while I have time: VE: not scum hunting like normal, placing wishy washy votes and not really caring. Not giving good reasoning for actions. Oats: No reason for town to attempt to discredit prplhz like he did, whether prplhz is town or scum doesn't matter, Oats deliberately attempted to mislead us with his quotes. Yamato: similar feeling as VE, doesn't seem to be trying to find scum, more just playing the "see what gets me by card". If anyone doesn't have a good enough argument for these people though, I will gladly address their questions when I find time tomorrow. ##Vote VisceraEyes Right from the start of the day. Why is he not pressuring people? He keeps tunneling VE!!!! Town want to explore ALL POSSIBLE LYNCH CANDIDATES. I haven't seen a single piece of original thought / pressure / questions from Snarfs considering his "other possible lynch candidates" He's NOT trying to find scum this game. Snarfs is blindly tunneling someone, and it is completely obvious. In addition, Snarfs is letting other people do his dirty work for him. SlOosh and others have been asking all the questions to VE, interpretting the responses, etc. ---> Snarfs has done next to nothing himself <----. He is allowing other people (who, if town, doesn't know the true intentions of) do everything for him at this point. This is not town motivated. This is scum. To Summarize: -Snarfs is playing extremely safe with reads early on, only aggressively calling out a single player. -He didn't care about the JX lynch. Never attempted to read JX. Never considered any other candidate but VE. -He is blindly tunneling VE the entire game, and allowing others to do his work for him. He is disinterested in any other candidate but VE -- highly scum motivated in thought. -He be lurking like hell. -Paranoid by always saying he's reading and catching up, but providing little to no useful analysis. Scum want this VE lynch to go through, and it is coming together too easily. I don't care if Palmar said lynch Yamato or what-have-you. He's scummy, but Snarfs is almighty scumster extraordinaire. Becuase I'm positive Snarfs is mafia, VE is therefore likely not mafia. People, Snarfs is blinding you guys. He is shining scum from the rooftops and you guys cannot see it. Should have killed this guy D1. Lynch Snarfs. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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He fits scum absolutely perfectly. | ||
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All aboard the Snarfs wagon of justice! | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Choo choo! | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Jay just bus your scumbuddy Snarfs already. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Give me one reason we should lynch VE over Snarfs. | ||
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On February 13 2013 07:19 slOosh wrote: You do it by detailing why you have such a strong town read on VE and have been soft defending him all game despite numerous instances where you agree that he is weird. My town read on VE is based on scum like Snarfs wanting to lynch him. VE is weird, I'll give him that. Scummier than Snarfs? No fucking way, not in a million years. Lynch Snarfs, he'll flip scum. SlOosh, I actually think you're town. So tell me why we should lynch VE over Snarfs. Snarfs is 10x scummier by comparison. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On February 13 2013 07:22 jaybrundage wrote: Oh don't worry about me I'm totes scum. Wanna follow up with a case CC Avoid the question, nice. Sure, I'll follow up with a case once we lynch Snarfs. What are you afraid of, punk? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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This VE thing reeks of scum and came about so quickly. "VE has done alot of scummy things" "He is being soft defended" Nice reasons. Now lynch snarfs plz. He is indisputably scum. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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I have no idea what the scum rationale is supposed to be for this supposed mislynch anyway. Scum would have bussed VE so fucking hard, hit there heads on the ground doing so. | ||
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On February 13 2013 07:30 slOosh wrote: I'm actually doing a full reread right now to be objective as I can. VE has been actively scum, in the sense that twisting the situation and misinterpretation are actively scummy things to do. As I understand it people view Snarfs scummy for calling out VE and not doing anything else - in essence a lurker type scum. There are much less town explanations for someone actively misconstruing situations etc. than it is for someone who isn't doing as much as you would expect. But yea, I'm doing a reread now and will come back with what I find. The fact is everyone started posting D3 and it is very convoluted, so D1 D2 information will serve as very good sources of evidence, especially given the newer Palmar flip. You sound like you're rereading with the preconception that VE is scum --- that's hardly objective at all imo. | ||
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On February 13 2013 07:37 phagga wrote: Why would they buss VE harder when he is scum then when he is town? Scum are on VE's wagon. They can't bus a townie t.t. They are reluctant to bus Snarfs, their scum mate. I bet Snarfs is just sitting around watching this shit happen too. | ||
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