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On January 15 2013 07:47 GMarshal wrote: hmmm... GM if you play i will auto vote you for mayor | ||
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I am gonna have to get my election campaign speech written | ||
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I support a chezinu election | ||
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On January 20 2013 11:00 Toadesstern wrote: that's the one guy out of the people I listed who is probably the hardest to read for everyone not being on TL playing mafia for 2 or 3 years. So why Chezinu? I wanna see a serious chezinu. Besides, I heard he has pretty good reads. Also, if I recall in his past games I've looked at, anytime he has a blue role he does well | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:09 mkfuba07 wrote: Toad: I think that sounds good, but who is "some idiot we all know to be town"? How do we find and agree on someone like that? I'll be your doug | ||
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I think Djo would be a good lynch option today or tomorow I'm looking at the vivax/yamato reaction I believe yamato to be more likely scum out of the two more coming after i read the last 6 pages | ||
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The Brown Brotherhood needs to put on it's thinking caps | ||
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I have a meta read on Djo that indicates he is scum. I will release that read if the mayor is going to consider lynching him seriously. If not, I will wait to day 2 to see if the read holds up. There is one post that I believe indicated Djo is scum. And that is here On January 21 2013 12:43 Djodref wrote: As stated before, I would like to lynch Clarity. Because he is running for mayor, but has failed to provide any post with content so far, and that really doesn't look like town Clarity. Also, I could lynch debears for not spamming the thread as usual when he is town. Regarding Oats, I agree with the scumread on him by other players. Some things tipped me off in his filter. Let's take a look at his opening post. He announces that he is not going to run, but asks if anyone has questions for him. Why would he think that people would interrogate him about his opening post ? It could be self-guiltiness here. Also his posts are lacking of content. For example, his call to the lurkers is quite useless. I also don't like his reaction when Toad said he could be a good lynch. I'm expecting town Oats to be more aggressive, but his reaction here is quite passive. We just got out of a big game where I did not spam d1 at all. How did Djo forget so easily? This isn't reasoning I see town djo using at all. The remaining parts that I'm not releasing yet should be pretty good also My read on Yamato: I rescind what I said earlier on him. His game so far seems to be agreeing with his townie tendencies. | ||
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On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote: Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] + remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost. His mayoral election run is a null tell | ||
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On January 21 2013 15:32 mkfuba07 wrote: But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet. Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town. As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads | ||
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Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor? Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me | ||
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On January 21 2013 15:40 Toadesstern wrote: last time you tried to lynch me while everyone was disagreeing you got lynched as SK, just saying. What in the fuck does that have to do with this situation? | ||
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On January 21 2013 15:50 mkfuba07 wrote: This is what your previous post got me thinking. I did the same thing, because I knew I wouldn't be as good as many other players in the game. Dammit... I was finally feeling reasonably sure about something, and now I'm unsure what to think again. debears: Do you think vivax is overall null, or just his candidacy? I believe he is over all null, along with his candidacy. He is hard to read because he doesn't have great reads. However, I think a Toad red flip would actually make vivax green | ||
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On January 21 2013 23:33 Djodref wrote: Hello guys I'm back ! I'm thinking that FiveTouch is going to get elected as mayor today. I don't see strong contenders for the seat. Prplhz didn't do anything to redeem himself in my view, so I'm fine with his lynch now. I'm concerned with the Sheriff position. I'm not comfortable with Chezinu getting it, because I would prefer him not to be immune to detection. I'm disappointed that nobody took my sheriff candidature seriously, and I'm going to vote austin to promote him as a sheriff. I'll switch my vote to FiveTouch if I need to. ##Unvote ##Vote: austin @ debears Why didn't you post your meta case yet ? And you were more active last game, at least at the beginning of it. It's true it was not a spam-fest in LVIII, but you should understand that your low activity is concerning. On January 12 2013 06:54 debears wrote: 1) i was purposely keeping away from leading town so I wouldnt get nked. 2) I didn't have time 3) theres no reason for me to spam like I do in minis due to the amount of players 4) there was very little effort and reason I'm the thread Unfortunately I didn't know we would lose after only 2 mislynches in a 30 player game. And then when a scum made a terrible case taking my quotes out of context the mafia had too much control of the thread for me to overturn them But hey, guess I just need to get myself nked n1 from now on by playing better I really do not think you are town djo 1) I said I would not reveal a meta case until you were a serious candidate for lynch. In other words, if a mayor has no good candidates, then I would reveal it. However, I like 5touch's lynch targets for now. 2) I highly doubt you didn't see this response to your quote from LVIII | ||
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5touch for mayor Gonzaw for sheriff Nuff said | ||
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He hasn't scumhunted. He has dedicated himself to defending himself with previous games and making no contributions to the town | ||
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I would rather stutters be vig shot. He is lurky as town also and hasn't contributed much as town in the games I've been with him. He's one of those hard to read guys. A lynch on him doesn't give us much to work with even if he is scum due to his lurkiness | ||
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On January 22 2013 01:23 Vivax wrote: I don't care if the elected roles are smurf, they have to be vets, and they have to be trustworthy. Gonzaw isn't trustworthy for shoveling shit at me for being absent after my candidacy like JX did + trying to be overly politically correct to everyone. austin isn't trustworthy for using artificial reasons to defend JX and picking stutters as lynch candidate. Austin used the argument: "Slight paranoia is townie" cause he wrote something about a Toad jester. Austin clearly didn't give a shit about JXs alignment from the start. That's my interpretation. FT already pointed out that this was a mistake. Seriously, stay the fuck away from gonzaw and austin. I'd rather have Chezinu mayor than these two. On January 22 2013 01:55 Vivax wrote: FT for mayor, that's out of discussion. Screw austin and gonzaw, they have to stay in put positions. Just make me his second hand and this town is set for victory. Those two statements are a huge contradiction | ||
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On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote: He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What? So is running for mayor as a townie who knows he's bad actually a townie sign or not? You can't seem to make up your mind >_> I can't decide between gonzaw and Fivetouch as mayor for now. It's a null sign normally. But the fact that Vivax keeps pushing his candidacy is troubling to me right now, especially when he's pushing himself over Gonzaw AND Austin. I would doubt both Gonzaw and Austin are scum | ||
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Would you lynch stutters over sandroba right now? | ||
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On January 22 2013 02:54 JieXian wrote: I don't get this. Why? ___ I like the case on pprlprlprlz and I'm voting 5touch because of that. Unless the mafia sub in for both bodyguards, the sheriff and mayor cannot be nked until the bodyguards are taken down. That means that we should place good town players who are likely to get nked in the mayor and sheriff spots. Vivax is not by any means a player at threat of being nked as town. He doesn't have good reads. Austin and Gonzaw are two players that are nk targets as town and have good reads from what I have heard. I'd say either of them is a good choice for sheriff, with Gonzaw preferred | ||
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On January 22 2013 02:58 austinmcc wrote: I would lynch stutters over sandroba right now + Show Spoiler + GAH, I HAVE BEEN CALLING HIM STUTTER FOR A COUPLE POSTS BECAUSE I SAW THAT AND ASSUMED I WAS ADDING AN S. BAD WHOEVER CALLED HIM STUTTER, BAD! I would lynched stutters over anyone right now. I think it was Gonzaw, but whoever said they hate some vets getting leeway because "they always play like this" or "they'll be useful if they're town" was right. It's dumb, but we do it. I'm not even really looking at sandroba critically right now because I have that mindset. It's pointed out every game that he's lazy as scum, and he never seems to be NOT lazy as scum, but there's nothing he's doing that I'm worried about right now? He hasn't been SUPER active in the town games I've seen from him, bar bureaucracy I think. So for now he's just not on my radar as a strong read either way, and I'm not going to lynch someone who is in that position. That's...a weird set of two people for you to pick. So, you want to lynch a player who has known to barely contribute to town as town in his previous games (stutters) over a player who is highly respected as town and has not contributed (sandroba)? Why is that? | ||
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On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote: Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points. You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration. And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky. I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town. Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky. Huh? | ||
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HOW IS SOMEONE VOTING YOU FOR MAYOR/SHERIFF A FUCKING TOWN TELL?>>????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? | ||
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Still. How can you honestly lynch stutters over Sandroba based on play this game? What more contribution has Sandroba brought to the table? | ||
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On January 22 2013 06:22 Vivax wrote: Toad, I think it's of vital importance that austin doesn't get a seat. If there is no extra supporter to elect you Chezinu is my next favourite over austin. Why exactly is austin so scummy in your opinion? | ||
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Gold all in my ring Gold all in my watch Don't believe me just watch | ||
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How your love's affecting our reality Every time we're down You can make it right And that makes you larger than life | ||
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All town bodyguards must be killed before the mayor and sheriff are correct? In other words, mafia have to wait a night if they kill me and oats (or if oats is scum) before killing fivetouch and toad correct? | ||
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On January 23 2013 10:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Debears, what do you think about Vivax's JX case? And my Gonzaw case? Haven't looked at them o.O I'll have a look though tonight hopefully | ||
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On January 23 2013 10:32 FiveTouch wrote: Time to play the game, debears. No more screwing around. Yeah, yeah. I'll get on it | ||
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On January 23 2013 10:36 gonzaw wrote: Kind of saw this coming to be honest (except the sandro kill). Unless some of them were a vig shot. Oats, you seem to be active, why haven't you addressed my response to your "case"? Five, could have scum killed you+Toad last night if both debears+Oats were scum and "subbed in"? Wait, hold on, you saw both djo and jiexian being nked by scum over you and Austin?????? | ||
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##vote annul ##vote double lynch | ||
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On Djo and JX I find them extremely odd. They were both on players who seemed to be more null/scum than town imo. They aren't particularly deadly town players with reputations like Gonzaw, Austin So, this makes me think the scenario for the mafia is one of two things 1) Mafia has a few vets and they want us to have to decide between actual town vets and the scum vets 2) Mafia has multiple lurkers and want us to wifom into lynching our vets What do you say? | ||
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On January 23 2013 11:06 FiveTouch wrote: I wasn't aware that this was the reputation of gonzaw and austin. I don't quite know what happened with the nightkills, but in any case I'm certainly not lynching into bugs or Toad today. With gonzaw my read has been fluctuating. Mostly I'm curious why you bring this up. Do you think this will help us find mafia? Your entire post looks created to put ideas in people's heads, but I can't tell if it's malicious right this minute. One of the best ways to catch mafia is to figure out the type of mafia we are facing no? | ||
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On January 23 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Debears, how do you do that of 1 night flip, when we dont even know if Vigi hit or whatever. I would expect a vig to have claimed by now. A shot on sandro, JX, or Djo would be bad vig shots It's possible, but unlikely | ||
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How does town Gonzaw usually go after scumreads? Does he try to convince others that the person is scum? Or does he try to convince the person that they are scum? | ||
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On January 23 2013 12:09 DearestSnot wrote: I like gonzaw for a lynch actually. I feel like some of the things he has said are almost too dumb from a town gonzaw. In particular, his opposition to the prplhz lynch, while he somewhat supported Oats, and his opinions all game have been really neutral. I don't believe I've seen him taken a hard stance on really anything, and he is not really that proactive about his reads or his pushes. His mayoral campaign was what...he'd be transparent? Posting a lot is not the same as being transparent, particularly as I don't even remember what his lynch candidate was. Chezinu has also fallen off the face of the Earth, though he looks considerably better than most players due to his willingness to lynch prplhz so early. I hope he wasn't the one scum that decided to bus him early. Bugs can you answer this? On January 23 2013 11:37 debears wrote: 5touch How does town Gonzaw usually go after scumreads? Does he try to convince others that the person is scum? Or does he try to convince the person that they are scum? | ||
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What is mafia trying to accomplish d1 with election 1) elect one of their own as mayor/sheriff 2) Trying to elect mayor who will get the first lynch wrong 3) Have someone on the correct mayor for town cred Gonzaw- - slight scum Up for election - didn't push it hard Didn't want to budge too fast on 5touch as mayor -----> didn't seem to care for trying to get mayor over 5 No comment on prplhz----> Don't agree with prplhz lynch Heavy pressure on sandro early Wanted to lynch stutters and Oats and Clarity -spread out btw those 4. Big discrepancy in treatment btw prplhz and sandro treatment for being inactive d1 Votes himself Really wanted to convince 5touch to lynch Oats over prplhz when realized he won't be mayor http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17590733 Thought stutters was scum and should be lynched, yet needs to explain himself to stutters so in depth? With a tone of treating Oats as town? Look at post before "stutters should be lynched" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17599229 Does it again. Then names Oats first in the scum team Tries to convince Oats that Oats is scum. Not really trying to convince others and show scum motivation | ||
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On January 23 2013 19:04 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2013 14:50 AxleGreaser wrote: Absolutely, we should NOT discuss who we are protecting tonight Last night that didn't work out at all well. However Bugs DID Then Toad Conveniently did what was maximally bad and most likely to result in Sherrif and a Doc if there is one protecting the same person. Toad Claims with logs that cant be verified. That he and Sandroba decided that together. I find that in itself implausible. I believe Sandroba is better than that. I believe Toad is better than that. That Scum then happened to luck out and guess who to attack when their other targets were so Low key.. is to me mind boggling lucky.... or it is a plan. If Toad is scum and takes the sheriff protection off Sandroba, scum kills Sandroba then Toad can claim the logs made him do it. Exactly how tricky does scum toad make his plans? I'm suspicious of Toad as well. I just don't see mafia being so precise or lucky with their kills without full knowledge of what he's going to do. I am against putting a taboo over the NK talk. For the fans of Ockham's : Mafia knew who was going to get jailed and that Bugs was going to be roleblocked, so they shot players like Djo and JX. Highly unlikely that they thought about 3² variations of WIFOM to determine their targets in such a way. Huh? When did this happen? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 22 2013 01:23 Vivax wrote: I don't care if the elected roles are smurf, they have to be vets, and they have to be trustworthy. Gonzaw isn't trustworthy for shoveling shit at me for being absent after my candidacy like JX did + trying to be overly politically correct to everyone. austin isn't trustworthy for using artificial reasons to defend JX and picking stutters as lynch candidate. Austin used the argument: "Slight paranoia is townie" cause he wrote something about a Toad jester. Austin clearly didn't give a shit about JXs alignment from the start. That's my interpretation. FT already pointed out that this was a mistake. Seriously, stay the fuck away from gonzaw and austin. I'd rather have Chezinu mayor than these two. On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote: ## Vote Sandroba If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use. If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position. Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position. I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. On January 22 2013 01:55 Vivax wrote: FT for mayor, that's out of discussion. Screw austin and gonzaw, they have to stay in put positions. Just make me his second hand and this town is set for victory. On January 22 2013 06:46 Vivax wrote: You all (debears, mkfuba, austin) must be really super-convinced that austin and JX are town if you flak me like that for a tentative scum read. What exactly do you want me to do? Isn't it electing austin? To lynch whom? Stutters for playing like I know him from D1? No thanks. Look, I find people suspicious who shovelled shit at me for my absence. I find people super suspicious who instead of posting their reasoning about it (like gonzaw did=semi-admitting that it wasn't a good point and in the end null cause I was sleeping) write that they had a reason to do so cause of some outer reason that has nothing to do with their thinking (the US tag), which then turns out to be wrong. When called out for it, they don't answer. Tell me, wouldn't you suspect scum behind it? You seem to be really convinced that he is town. On January 23 2013 20:33 Vivax wrote: Use something in your argumentation to say that you think gonzaw and annul are scum besides this mayor thing please. You say: "I think one and only one is scum among the mayor candidates, gonzaw and annul are probably scum cause everyone else I have a town read on." On January 23 2013 23:07 Vivax wrote: [22.01.2013 19:17:49] Erik: yeah I agree [22.01.2013 19:17:56] Erik: I'd like annul lynch the most [22.01.2013 19:18:04] Erik: and a bunch oats has done recently looks townisch [22.01.2013 19:18:07] Erik: *townish [22.01.2013 19:18:18] Erik: I really don't see him pushing gonzaw out of all the people if he's mafia Strange things to say considering your latest insecurity about who to lynch first between annul and gonzaw when asked. Care to tell us why Oats is town for pushing gonzaw? [22.01.2013 19:28:09] Erik: the way it's worded I can't jail before n2... [22.01.2013 19:28:11] Erik: "You are able to PM me during the day with a player to be incarcerated that night." [22.01.2013 19:28:27] Erik: if I have to pm him during the day I can't pm him before d2 for the n2 protections What did BC respond to this? Although he probably let Toad jail nonetheless. So you thought Gonzaw was scum all day 1 and suddenly change your viewpoint and think he's town for no reason? And you suddenly get on everyone's case about voting gonzaw? + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 22:20 Vivax wrote: @ Yamato Dude, if you are town (which I kinda doubt cause you promised self-improvement last time I saw you somewhere else): You have 4 pages of filter of which a lot of posts are aggressive, low content spam. You aren't achieving anything but calling candidates bad without pushing your own preferences. Your posts aren't consolidated, and you disregard the opinions of 4 vets. In light of your overconfidence you are aware of you should actually use them properly. @ debears Me and Toad aren't the scum you're looking for. Yamato might be but it's still early. Djo is..an interesting choice. I like your play so far. Don't underestimate me in this game though, I'm asking you to vote me into a seat. @ gonzaw There are questions directed at you in my filter that you still have to answer. I don't care if you think I'm town, I'm not voting for you. And I know you won't be voting for me. @ Toad I really appreciate your contributions in the latest pages that appeared since I posted last. Knowing that you support me and FT, I can trust into you being working for town. I would appreciate however if you didn't refer to me as stupid or idiot. You never know who's sitting behind the keyboard, and you don't take into account how fast I can improve. I think my strategies and reads have improved a lot lately. I don't have as much experience as others in this forum, don't draw conclusions about my intelligence or ability to learn then. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Regarding the discussion about my candidacy post: It was a good way to waste time in the last pages. If you want to know, I started writing that post after I got my role pm. But I can't prove it and it doesn't even matter. Look at my other play. How I push my candidacy doesn't matter either. You know I want to be elected, and when I don't constantly spam that it doesn't mean I don't want it any more. I pressured JX, Djo, gonzaw and yamato into giving out information in a way that breaks their usual posting style. Specific information. I managed to get yamato very worked up to the point where he started replying in a subjectively quite scummy way. Same goes for JX who replied to me with rather big delays, compared to the content he posted in that long time he needed to make the posts. I am working pro-information, and I'm not sticking endlessly to the same target. I'm active, and I post transparently. Although I'm not giving you out all my reads, yet. You will absolutely not regret me being elected. On January 21 2013 22:20 Vivax wrote: @ Yamato Dude, if you are town (which I kinda doubt cause you promised self-improvement last time I saw you somewhere else): You have 4 pages of filter of which a lot of posts are aggressive, low content spam. You aren't achieving anything but calling candidates bad without pushing your own preferences. Your posts aren't consolidated, and you disregard the opinions of 4 vets. In light of your overconfidence you are aware of you should actually use them properly. @ debears Me and Toad aren't the scum you're looking for. Yamato might be but it's still early. Djo is..an interesting choice. I like your play so far. Don't underestimate me in this game though, I'm asking you to vote me into a seat. @ gonzaw There are questions directed at you in my filter that you still have to answer. I don't care if you think I'm town, I'm not voting for you. And I know you won't be voting for me. @ Toad I really appreciate your contributions in the latest pages that appeared since I posted last. Knowing that you support me and FT, I can trust into you being working for town. I would appreciate however if you didn't refer to me as stupid or idiot. You never know who's sitting behind the keyboard, and you don't take into account how fast I can improve. I think my strategies and reads have improved a lot lately. I don't have as much experience as others in this forum, don't draw conclusions about my intelligence or ability to learn then. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Regarding the discussion about my candidacy post: It was a good way to waste time in the last pages. If you want to know, I started writing that post after I got my role pm. But I can't prove it and it doesn't even matter. Look at my other play. How I push my candidacy doesn't matter either. You know I want to be elected, and when I don't constantly spam that it doesn't mean I don't want it any more. I pressured JX, Djo, gonzaw and yamato into giving out information in a way that breaks their usual posting style. Specific information. I managed to get yamato very worked up to the point where he started replying in a subjectively quite scummy way. Same goes for JX who replied to me with rather big delays, compared to the content he posted in that long time he needed to make the posts. I am working pro-information, and I'm not sticking endlessly to the same target. I'm active, and I post transparently. Although I'm not giving you out all my reads, yet. You will absolutely not regret me being elected. On January 21 2013 23:06 Vivax wrote: @ Yamato Then I assume, since me and Toad are probably not going to get lynched today, that you will vote for the candidate that lynches Djo? @ Oatsmaster Would you support me/Toad/Sandro as elected role? If FT stops wanting to lynch you, will you support him? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ After looking at his meta, I support a prplhz lynch as well. I especially looked at his town meta: Looney lynching - town → More outspoken, more active, doesn't act as much as like he's not giving fuck as he does in this game. Rockband Mini - town → Shares reads very early, opposes random lynching (here he asks for Chez lynch immediately). Doesn't act like he doesn't give a fuck (as here). Significantly becomes more active when his mislynch is gaining steam. He posts a lot with not much time difference between the posts. On January 22 2013 06:22 Vivax wrote: Toad, I think it's of vital importance that austin doesn't get a seat. If there is no extra supporter to elect you Chezinu is my next favourite over austin. On January 22 2013 07:00 Vivax wrote: Chez you made me laugh a good portion. I'm voting Toad if we can manage to get him into that position though. Sorry bro  .On January 22 2013 10:01 Vivax wrote: GET TOAD ELECTED FFS And then you do a complete 180 on toad for no reason ![[image loading]](http://i.qkme.me/3sow8o.jpg) | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote: yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). Toad, at this point I don't see the reason for mafia subing in only 1 bodyguard. They can't target both of you until after the night that the bodyguards are gone. So, if they have to wait an extra night to nk anyways after, why out a mafia as a bodyguard in the process? Might as well just get two kills on town bodyguards, especially with the chance that one or two of the better townies rolls bodyguard | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:23 Vivax wrote: Debears check the voting thread before you waste energy to find things that you misinterpreted anyway. People this game. Your flip on Toad is dumb and scummy as shit, considering he finally agrees with you on gonzaw. Yet, you still rip him for voting gonzaw. Oh, and the only reason you find him scum is jk wifom. You disregard his(toads) whole d1 play in which you preached him as town. Oh, and you think him and Gonzaw are suddenly scum team. Congratulations vivax this game......... | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:31 Toadesstern wrote: yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at as well and the reason I asked palmar about it. I just don't see a reason to sub in bodyguards if mafia comes to the conclusion "well, can't shoot that" unless of course for confusion. Especially with Palmar saying he'll out the BGs shortly before deadline they can't be afraid of not being able to find the bodyguards in time. Though you two guys ending up being bodyguards is rather funny. I think it's actually better that we did. We force mafia to nk either 1 or 2 of us that aren't considered solid town. Cuz no matter what our alignments will be figured out in the next two nights (unless for some reason you and 5touch are scum bum bum bum o.O) | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:32 austinmcc wrote: You pointed out the speed of the annul wagon and that you were uncomfortable with it. But I couldn't find your actual thoughts on doubly lynching anywhere earlier on in your filter. You asked about it in relation to the mayor's votes, but I didn't see particularly thoughts on whether we should/shouldn't double lynch. I'm less concerned with when it would occur if we voted for it, which anyone can find, and more concerned with WHY people voted for it. Do you think a double lynch is ALWAYS good for town? Why so? If not, why is it good for THIS town in this situation? It's stuff like that. Austin, we have lurkers in clarity, BK, and fuba. We have a scummy annul. We have a scummy Gonzaw We had questionable nks. What reason isn't there for double lynch? 1) We have to find a way to rid of these damn lurkers 2) I am 95% sure 5touch is town. Toad is looking town to me at this point also (his alignment will be figured out anyways eventually). Use them while we got them. 3) I will very very likely die tonight. I want to help what little I can before then | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:35 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2013 01:28 debears wrote: Your flip on Toad is dumb and scummy as shit, considering he finally agrees with you on gonzaw. Yet, you still rip him for voting gonzaw. Oh, and the only reason you find him scum is jk wifom. You disregard his(toads) whole d1 play in which you preached him as town. Oh, and you think him and Gonzaw are suddenly scum team. Congratulations vivax this game......... 1. My flip on Toad is based on much more than jk wifom. You would know it if you read his stance on gonzaw and Oats and the answers he provided when I asked him about various reads like yamato, gonzaw annul etc. 2. You're stupid to think that I can't change opinion on someone cause I had another one D1. It's neither scummy nor is it bad, and all the reasons for doing that are out there. I simply thought Toad was town D1. Now I don't believe it anymore. 3. I found gonzaw scummy very early. That is reflected in my distrust in him as elected role in my earlier posts. I am not ripping people for THAT they vote gonzaw, I rip them for HOW they vote him. And that's the reason why I asked so many questions about him. I'm not trying to dissuade people from doing so. In Toad's case it looks to me like he doesn't vote for him cause he suddenly reads him as scum. So when Djo and JX died over Gonzaw and Austin you didn't suddenly go "wow"? | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:37 FiveTouch wrote: Good motive for mafia to do that then, hmm?  5Touch I am becoming gradually more suspicious of Oats for one very specific reason. I will let you know after the 24 hour mark in day2 what exactly I am noticing about him | ||
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On January 24 2013 04:51 gonzaw wrote: You might want to reread my mayor campaign. I wanted D1 to run "smoothly as normal", and if people thought I was a good mayor candidate by mid-late D1 then it'd be great if they voted me. I was also absent/sleeping for much part of Five "rising to power". When I woke up one day Five already had like 5-6 votes and I had none, I obviously wasn't becoming mayor by that point and he was. sandro is sandro. When town he does big plays as early as possible, he tries to "bully the setup", break the game, and have town win as early as possible. You can't obviously compare him with prplhz. Yes I did. I don't think it matters anyways, since I believe Oats to be scum. Lol this actually reminds me of Aperture Mafia 2. I was on scum's tail all D1 (JingleHell), but made some "wishy washy" comments about the current lynched scum (iamp). I got flak for it the whole game and basically forced me to claim, when I was right all along lol. Funny how it's likely to be happening this game as well  You don't seem to be familiar with my play. When I "try to convince my target he is scum", I'm obviously not doing that. What I'm doing is: -If somehow that guy is town, point out the scummy things he's doing, and how they come from a mafia perspective. If he's town, hopefully this will make him realize what he's doing and change his play accordingly, so he doesn't get misslynched -I want the guy to know why he's scummy, this way he has no way to hide. If he keeps acting like he is doing after I mention that, then it means he acknowledged what I said but didn't care about it. That is a strong indication of mafia for me (or at points, depending on his play, maybe a townie), depending on his reactions. -If the guy is scum, then it also kills 2 birds with 1 stone by showing other people why he's scum. Gonz, could you post a few examples from your town games where you have this sort of posting style toward your hard scumreads? I don't want to look through filters since I don't know exactly what games you had a hard scumread. And you should be able to come up with one or two examples since it should be part of your standard town play | ||
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The dude lost his head, regardless of alignment Also, I am going to wait til about 12 KST to see what oats posts. If I don't find it satisfactory, I have a read that would almost certainly make him scum in my eyes. | ||
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On January 24 2013 09:03 Chezinu wrote: You hears that mafiaz! My circle will rise! The brown brotherhood is realz! Y u no include me in the circle | ||
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On January 24 2013 10:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause you only showed up in day 2 debears, any explanation for your really low activity day 1? Haha. This is so funny. Shall I reveal the information now? | ||
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I only have this lynch left in the game Why? I strongly believe 5touch is town, and toad I'd say is town for now. Mafia probably won't like having those extra three mayoral votes from 5touch regardless of if toad was scum. Thus, I will very very likely be killed tonight. So, debears, why the sudden spike in activity? Because I have one more lynch I can help town with in this game Now, look at Oatsmaster's posting. What has his psychological mindset been since learning of being bodyguard? Nothing. No urgency. No realization that he will be nked soon. No great effort to help town out one last day Why? I think it's because he's scum. 1) He's focusing on defending himself instead of giving reads 2) If he was town, he would realize that he would die in the night, and that giving reads is priority over defending yourself 3) Most of the town has agreed that lynching into the bodyguards isn't a great strategy since we will either 1. die or 2. be found out once the mayor dies. Thus, it would only take real effort in a focused manner to ward off his lynch | ||
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On January 23 2013 13:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Debears, what prompted the change in activity? Was it because day 1 you had no chance of getting lynched and upon receipt of the role of bodyguard, scared you into contributing? Or something else? So you're a bodyguard, yet your only mention of bodyguard is this post You never even bothered to participate in the bodyguard discussion. That's odd | ||
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On January 24 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Also debears, this DOES NOT explain why your day 1 was the epitome of a lurker/newbie scum who doesnt want to post. I explained this last game and earlier this game to djo. Unfortunately, you don't read | ||
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On January 24 2013 10:52 DearestSnot wrote: ok, here's the thing. I hesitated earlier to use this argument, but I think it's strong. First suppose Oats is scum. Because he's a BG, we know that if he's alive and FT or Toad die then Oats is outted. Thus at any point in the game we can safely lynch Oats if FT or Toad die. We only have a problem if we lynch a multitude of townies while FT and Toad survive and get into a multiple scum lylo situation. I don't see that as being very likely. If Oats is scum, mafia have to sacrifice one of their own in order to kill Toad or FT. As long as FT/Toad are alive we have a massive advantage. We have a jailer who can stop mafia KP in two different ways and a triple voter who is almost certainly town. If Oats is town, and we lynch him, then tonight debears and FT or Toad will be dead, almost certainly. We basically simply shoot ourselves in the foot for no gain. Even if Oats is mafia, we don't gain much by lynching him. He's a BG, if scum want to win the game in lylo they have to at some point out Oats. They can't feasibly win at lylo with FT alive because FT has 3 votes. So, either Oats is mafia and we force mafia to out him in order to kill two of our best townies, or Oats is town and we leave FT and Toad protected until oats/debears get shot. The mafia team in either position is basically fucked as long as we can catch the remaining members. So why focus on Oats? I don't see the rationale behind this right now. Mafia can't target the mayor and sheriff until the night after all town bodyguards are dead correct?> | ||
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Upon closer inspection of his town games listed, and a couple of his scum games, I found that his posting style of convincing someone of their scumminess is a trait of his town games. I only looked a little in the scum ones and I didn't see it I didn't see anything in terms of him defending himself against a scumread's accusations in either That would leave me wanting to lynch Gonzaw based on 1) His running for mayor (scum having to have someone run) 2) Him trying to convince 5touch to lynch oats over prplhz I'm still waiting on an answer over whether the mayor/sheriff can be killed in the same night as a bodyguard. If so, then I agree with not lynching Oats. If the mayor/sheriff can't be killed on the same night, we should take that into consideration of lynching oats | ||
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Vivax Where do you get that Gonzaw was mafia jack mason? If you are detective you don't get roles | ||
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You can act as a Medic, Veteran, Mason, and Vigilante... but not all at once and not more than once. You may two of these four powers during the game: Protect, Mason, and Shoot. You may use the same power twice. Note that your Veteran life is not passive like that of a true Veteran's; you must choose when to activate it, and if it isn't used (as in, you aren't hit that night) it goes away. I don't think it's possible for a jack to vig and mason in the same night | ||
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On January 25 2013 02:08 Vivax wrote: Leave gonzaw where he is. We aren't wasting this cycle to have another cycle where we start over. The scum is before us, it has been spamming me over with suspicion the last few pages. Lynch scum ffs | ||
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Pretty please? To send a message this is not how you play mafia? | ||
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On January 25 2013 03:02 DearestSnot wrote: I love the way you think, but if we want to win the game I think it's better if we lynch gonzaw first :p Double lynch gonz and vivax Who knows? Maybe vivax is scum | ||
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On January 25 2013 03:08 annul wrote: why does "waffle = marv?" It makes sense when you go crazy | ||
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On January 25 2013 03:10 DearestSnot wrote: why would you double lynch two people who you almost 100% know are going to flip opposite alignments? There's a miniscule chance they are the same alignment, double lynching them doesn't make sense. I'm very tired of playing with Vivax and the shit he's doing | ||
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On January 25 2013 03:42 gonzaw wrote: Okay, it may be hard to convince you people I'm not scum, specially with me being kind of lazy these past few days and all. I'll try to spend my time reading Vivax and figure out if he's scum fakeclaiming or if there's a mafia framer out there. I take it this will be better for town later. Gonz please provide reads with good detail if you're town before you die | ||
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On January 25 2013 04:31 Stutters695 wrote: Also my vote is on Gonzaw currently for obvious reasons. Forgot to mention that in the thread when I posted it due to being in between classes. This spoilered part is about debears since I don't want to spam the thread with BG talk, but I still would like an answer to this. + Show Spoiler [Debears] + Debears is looking more town to me but I still would like to hear why he waited to deliver such an underwhelming case on Oats and not delivering on djo. On January 24 2013 10:55 debears wrote: I explained this last game and earlier this game to djo. Unfortunately, you don't read This quote too. You explained that you don't spam because these are big games, but you didn't explain at all why d1 you "contributed" a meta read that you never followed through with and not much else except policy talk. Why have you just been providing meta reads instead of like the cases you pushed in previous town games that were much more logical? Stutters, there really is no reason for me to answer this. I'm gonna die tonight. You need to look at people that will likely survive the night | ||
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On January 25 2013 04:38 Stutters695 wrote: Fair enough, if you live I expect an answer however. Very well | ||
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We don't figure out anything about either of them. What are the odds of mafia framing a townie at the early stage of the game? That would mean that mafia, heading into n1 was comfortable with the main targets of suspicion. After a prplhz lynch, I wouldn't think that all the mafia would be well hidden and not under suspicion. | ||
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1) I don't really think that I would've checked him as Vivax. 2) I don't think mafia would've used a frame on him instead of nking Gonzaw 3) I wouldn't think mafia would expect a check on Gonzaw | ||
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No. the mason I speak of is all good and well. I'm sad 24 hours have passed though | ||
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5touch have you figured out who the mason talking to me is? | ||
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On January 26 2013 03:33 FiveTouch wrote: I have a fair idea, although I'm not certain. Do you know of a fourth mason? My source tells me there is | ||
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On January 26 2013 03:45 FiveTouch wrote: Other than gonzaw I know of 4 possible masons, although I'm not sure the 4th is necessarily a mason. I don't quite understand how your mason would know this, however. Not counting grush or gonzaw. My source says he knows another mason. Then there are your 2 also. | ||
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On January 26 2013 10:53 FiveTouch wrote: no, I was not. Well he said he would contact you. Let me know in the next few hours if he does or doesnt Probably scum :/ What a bummer | ||
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On January 27 2013 04:06 FiveTouch wrote: Indeed I was. A bit of a turnup for the books. What is your opinion from your conversations? Would it be a good idea for you to publish them? Who is your bomb on currently? I was thinking of publishing my thoughts. I have all of them written out except for the ones right before the masonry was up. My thoughts were that some things don't add up about his play from a town perspective. If you want to publish them and reveal who he is I will. I'll leave it up to you | ||
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The reason why I am outing him as mason are four things: 1) His play is highly suspicious if he was town 2) If he was town, he obviously won't have time for the game, based on the pms and stuff stated in thread. 3) He is a center of the lynch debate for tomorrow behind BKE. I'm hoping this will help our decision 4) I'm probably gonna die tonight Ok here we go: 1) I didn't know I was masoned with him until 24 hours after I was masoned due to BC being afk. Yet, Chezinu never sent me a pm to talk. That's very strange. 2) Chezinu wrote out how he had a plan involving masons for the mayor. Here is the plan he gave me through pm. You were suppose to mason the mayor! Unless... you are choosing me to be the mayor ))). OR are you mafia? Trying to obtain my secret plans to destroy you! Well well... Guess someone has to take some risks.. To say or not to say? That is the question. OK RISK TIME! Going to assume that you are townie. If you are, great things can happen. If you are not, well it will only spoil one of my plans, but it won't hurt it that much as you will soon know. Here it is: I realized that the mayor would not be completely safe from mafia. The mafia will be able to substitute town bodyguards with mafia ones. How many bodyguards will there be? I don't know. But we do know that mafia can substitute 0-2 bodyguards. These bodyguards will be covering the elected officials. Are they assigned specifically to mayor or sheriff? I'm not sure. They could be divided or act as a cover for both. At minimum, I'm hoping we will at least have 4 bodyguards. I think it would be too imbalanced if mafia could substitute all of the bodyguards. That would mean, the mayor could die right after election. So, where am I going with this? The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will. This is why it is essential that the masons contact the mayor/sheriff. The mayor can give the lists of bodyguards to the most trusted masons. If everything goes extremely well and masons happen to find the medic, well the medic can protect the bodyguards. If the mayor dies at night and not all the bodyguards are dead. The masons with the bodyguard lists shall announce the list to town. All bodyguards on that list will be mafia. Now, for the hard part. The mafia have masons too. This is where the mayor has to be discerning. Not only does the mayor have to earn town trust, but the masons need to gain the trust of the mayor. I'm sure there will be more than one mason for town and at least one mason for mafia. If not, this game would be all too easy. This mayor stuff will get messy and will get nasty. It has happened every single time in the past that I played the game with elected officials. If I get elected, this will be the first time I will be in the inside (never had a blue role in those games). Now, the mayor will be safe with the masons if he tells them the bodyguard list (if they are town). It will just cause disaster if he releases the list to the mafia. So as mayor, I will not release the list until at least some of the bodyguards die. Don't want to kill innocent bodyguards just in case mafia doesn't sub. However, if it turns out there are only 2 bodyguards defending me -- I will have to give a list to a mason. Then complain that the game is imba. As I mentioned in the thread, masons aren't the only solution to save the mayor. If the mayor himself is a veteran and the mafia sub bodyguards, well we just get free mafia lynches! Or perhaps a medic could protect the mayor (but this would only work if medic is quiet about it and mafia don't know. The medic shouldn't protect mayor until some bodyguards die). As for who I will lynch, I'm thinking the Chezinu Rule. What do you think about that? Note that Chezinu didn't follow through with this plan d1, ALTHOUGH HE IS A MASON. He could have saved me and Oats being outted as bodyguards in thread for the mafia. Why would he, as town, have this plan, yet not help orchestrate it when he is indeed a mason? 3) He masoned me, yet he didn't trust me to give me the names of the two masons. So, he must think I have a decent chance at being scum, yet he still masoned me? Oh and why I masoned you? Well, I was busy with a midterm and missed the earlier part of Day 2. I saw that you were sad that you didn't join my circle yet. I knew at the time that the two masons who masoned me talked to 5touch already. I know there is another mason out there who will probably talk to 5touch tomorrow as well. Just know its all in 5touch's hands. If he is mafia, the game is already over. But I highly doubt this. That's odd reasoning. I understand me and Chez are cool with each other, and I appreciate the gesture, but that's not a winning way to play mafia as town. Why would you want to talk to a scum unless you were fishing for his teammates (which Chez has not asked me anything, I have been the one asking questions) 4) He masoned me over the mayor. This is the reasoning he gave Who will the mayor talk to the next day? That was the plan. Now it seems I'm getting lynched. Masons can't message the same person twice. That is a valid point. Still, why wouldn't he talk to toad instead? or someone who he actually considers town? Also, from that point on, Chezinu stated that he wouldn't be able to get on if his internet was out. If the internet worked, he would pm me back 3 1/2 hours after. No pms came after. 5) Chezinu didn't reveal he was mason to one of the masons whom he found townie + Show Spoiler + From: Chezinu [ 2754 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: oh wait. Date: 1/26/13 09:46 For day 1, the mayor wasn't even elected yet. As for the masons getting bodyguard names, the two masons who talked to me were going to talk to 5touch, which they did. I was extremely confident one of them was townie . That mason can't talk to 5touch again for the rest of the game. If all masons talked to 5touch after getting elected, it would be a waste. Do other masons know I'm mason? nope I wasn't the only one who withheld information either. Can't explain unless I decide to reveal masons, which I haven't decided if I will yet. I will release them probably tomorrow. I plan to mason 5touch tomorrow, which is in about 15 minutes - geez night goes by quick. Original Message From debears: Who did you mason day 1? Why didnt you mason the mayor day 1? Your plan involves town masons getting the bodyguard names, yet you didn't want to be that mason for the plan? Also, do the other masons know you are mason? Would you care if I released you are mason to the thread and the pms? Show nested quote + Here are the rest of the pms besides the last ones (of no importance) + Show Spoiler + From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: yoyoyoyo Date: 1/25/13 14:51 Cool! So BC delivered my message? Original Message From debears: i just got a pm from BC saying we're masoned since 24 hours ago lol. Wassup! From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: mommy dearest Date: 1/25/13 14:58 Mommy dearest is threatening the brown brotherhood since day 1. He has been spreading lies about the brown. One can read the thread to find the truth. The thing mommy dearest is hoping no one would do. Which is true, cause I don't have that much time to do it. What do you think about mommy dearest? From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Matters of the Brown Brotherhood Date: 1/26/13 02:45 You were suppose to mason the mayor! Unless... you are choosing me to be the mayor ))). OR are you mafia? Trying to obtain my secret plans to destroy you! Well well... Guess someone has to take some risks.. To say or not to say? That is the question. OK RISK TIME! Going to assume that you are townie. If you are, great things can happen. If you are not, well it will only spoil one of my plans, but it won't hurt it that much as you will soon know. Here it is: I realized that the mayor would not be completely safe from mafia. The mafia will be able to substitute town bodyguards with mafia ones. How many bodyguards will there be? I don't know. But we do know that mafia can substitute 0-2 bodyguards. These bodyguards will be covering the elected officials. Are they assigned specifically to mayor or sheriff? I'm not sure. They could be divided or act as a cover for both. At minimum, I'm hoping we will at least have 4 bodyguards. I think it would be too imbalanced if mafia could substitute all of the bodyguards. That would mean, the mayor could die right after election. So, where am I going with this? The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will. This is why it is essential that the masons contact the mayor/sheriff. The mayor can give the lists of bodyguards to the most trusted masons. If everything goes extremely well and masons happen to find the medic, well the medic can protect the bodyguards. If the mayor dies at night and not all the bodyguards are dead. The masons with the bodyguard lists shall announce the list to town. All bodyguards on that list will be mafia. Now, for the hard part. The mafia have masons too. This is where the mayor has to be discerning. Not only does the mayor have to earn town trust, but the masons need to gain the trust of the mayor. I'm sure there will be more than one mason for town and at least one mason for mafia. If not, this game would be all too easy. This mayor stuff will get messy and will get nasty. It has happened every single time in the past that I played the game with elected officials. If I get elected, this will be the first time I will be in the inside (never had a blue role in those games). Now, the mayor will be safe with the masons if he tells them the bodyguard list (if they are town). It will just cause disaster if he releases the list to the mafia. So as mayor, I will not release the list until at least some of the bodyguards die. Don't want to kill innocent bodyguards just in case mafia doesn't sub. However, if it turns out there are only 2 bodyguards defending me -- I will have to give a list to a mason. Then complain that the game is imba. As I mentioned in the thread, masons aren't the only solution to save the mayor. If the mayor himself is a veteran and the mafia sub bodyguards, well we just get free mafia lynches! Or perhaps a medic could protect the mayor (but this would only work if medic is quiet about it and mafia don't know. The medic shouldn't protect mayor until some bodyguards die). As for who I will lynch, I'm thinking the Chezinu Rule. What do you think about that? Original Message From ******: I think prphl is fairly scummy. The fact that his two posts that I remember have been "this guy is scum, I vote for the guy who kills him" is not inspiring. WBG is really good scum apparently, but I think I can read him if he's town and tries to look townie. I'm not sure if what he's doing with his suspicion of prphl is just scum fishing for a wagon on a lurkish player or not. I need more content from Bugsy to make a good read. Reading some filters ATM. I like Austin a lot so far but I don't know what to make of Toad or his vote for Austin. Show nested quote + " I like to keep my previous masons anonymous. Oh and why I masoned you? Well, I was busy with a midterm and missed the earlier part of Day 2. I saw that you were sad that you didn't join my circle yet. I knew at the time that the two masons who masoned me talked to 5touch already. I know there is another mason out there who will probably talk to 5touch tomorrow as well. Just know its all in 5touch's hands. If he is mafia, the game is already over. But I highly doubt this. Based on your list, BKE and grush look the best. grush on the otherhand I'm debating could be blue. I have this red blue colorblindness. All these masons this game isn't helping me. It Chezinu's biggest weakness and these last two games are really pointing this out. Of course, I thought oats was mafia. But they laugh and I felt sad. *Silly Songs with Larry starts playing* Original Message From debears: Brother, I would also like to request a few more things from you: Who did thou mason day 1? What was this plan you stated day 1 with the masons? If you are comfortable sharing with me, who were your the other 2 masons that talked to you day 1? Who are your other scum listed? I would think it's between BKE, Annul, You, Grush, and Mkfuba for the last 3 From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: ok I gtg! Date: 1/26/13 02:47 I told myself to resist looking at this game, I have school work to do. I just saw those pretty PMs. I will try to come back before the deadline. The wireless network in my department building isn't working. If it happens to work, I will be able to check thread in about 3 and a half hours. From: Chezinu [ 2742 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: oh wait. Date: 1/26/13 02:48 Its night time! I already missed the previous deadline (thus my vote suck on oats). | ||
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I couldn't figure out who the mason whom he was talking about was after asking multiple times. Chez is a tough cookie <3 you chez although you're probably mafia | ||
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On January 28 2013 00:29 FiveTouch wrote: What a terrible check. I am considering policy lynching you tomorrow, depending on the results of today's lynches. There's only so much blatantly playing against town wincon you can do before you have to be mafia. I'm down | ||
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On January 28 2013 01:11 annul wrote: wait so i am confused vivax checked mocsta? that is his red check? i am going to sleep VERY soon so like is this the vote? BKE and moc? Vivax checked Bugs. Fantastic That's like him checking me or oats | ||
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On January 28 2013 02:31 FiveTouch wrote: I don't understand this attitude if you are town, so for now I am going to assume you are mafia. Well then games likely over!!! Yay!!! | ||
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<3 you chez It seems we cannot fool each other as Brothers of the Brown | ||
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On January 28 2013 10:19 yamato77 wrote: With both possible mafia masons dead I suppose it's safe to claim myself as mason at this point in time. FT and Toad can confirm. Go away Vivax. I knew it! | ||
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Setup spec time: How many blues are normally in a game of this size? 4-6? Blue Count: Toad, Grush, Yamato, Mocsta - Mason Dearest, Vivax - Detective BKE, Annul - Mad Hatter Mafia count: Jack mason - Gonzaw Gf mason- Chez Goon - prplhz 8 blues/power roles. I don't think we have this many blue roles this game. I don't like Annul's or Vivax's play from a town perspective Annul mad hatted someone who will almost certainly get lynched (Chez) - stating he is in fear of getting nked despite no contributions this game Vivax checks Bugs - epic dumb check. Yet he for some reason would check Gonzaw n1, who would happen to be mafia and a correct check? Yamato did you ever tell chez about grush masoning you before you revealed it in thread? | ||
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Why would you say that BKE's bomb didn't go off after being lynched? | ||
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On January 28 2013 11:02 FiveTouch wrote: debears, like I already stated, you don't really count masons as full blues like you would in for example C9++ setups, because of the existence of mafia masons. Plus 20-5 is the usual balance, so with 17-5 town probably would have been given more blues. I kinda expect there to be at least another miller, too. Effectivel 17-5 vs 20-5 is one less mislynch mafia need, which is quite huge. I guess so What's your read on annul right now, considering his "bomb" on Chez and his play this game? | ||
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Not sure if pure association is enough to overrule that read | ||
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We don't have reasons for findding stuts or fubs town, yet there are indicators that austin is town | ||
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Gonz was jack mason I would think mafia woild try to get him into office with his role Chez was godfather, meaning they most likely didn't want him in office (dt immunity) Prp was a goon, meaning they didn't expect him to last long | ||
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On January 29 2013 03:30 yamato77 wrote: You're not helping yourself with this delurking business. So if he lurks, he's scum. If he delurks he's scum. Rethink your arguments yamato | ||
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On January 29 2013 03:33 Toadesstern wrote: they can decide their roles after seeing how it works though. Agree with marvs find though. They had to decide by the start of n1. Austin was pretty townish in my books heading into n1. Why not give him the godfather mason over chez? | ||
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On January 29 2013 03:35 yamato77 wrote: He's delurking solely to defend himself from the possibility of being lynched. Don't be intentionally blind, debears. Town or scum do that. Rethink this | ||
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On January 29 2013 03:36 FiveTouch wrote: Because Chez is way more likely to be checked than austin, for a start. That's not a good argument. My point is that I find it morr likely for sxum to rely on austin over chez going into lategame one member down | ||
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On January 29 2013 03:43 Toadesstern wrote: I'd say the opposite. Chez is way more of a vet and at the same time you can't pull those "why is chez still around" arguments on chez unlike you could do on someone like marv / bugs / sandro surviving longer than they should. True. What's really irking me is that they made chez a mason, yet chez never went thru with his plan stated in pregame, which outted him as mafia. Especially when chez told me that plan. Makes it seem like mafia are in a decent position for chez to throw himself like that | ||
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On January 29 2013 03:53 FiveTouch wrote: Chezinu didn't become mayor, which was part of his pre-game plan, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. That's not why Chezinu is mafia. Mafia need 5 mislynches from now to win, they're in a terrible position. Let me explain this way 1) they gave chez a mason role day 1 2) chez told yamato his mason plan witb contacting the mayor 3) chez didn't contact 5touch day 1 4) chez masoned me, told me about the mason plan, and told me he didn't mason 5touch once he became mayor 5) I tell the thread he's mason 6) yamato and I realize he didn't follow thru with his plan 7) lynched Follow me? Chezinu pretty much claimed scum by telling his mason plan and then not masoning according to his plan | ||
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On January 29 2013 04:02 FiveTouch wrote: Hmm. I follow. It wasn't why I was lynching him though, but ok So my point is from that, Why would they give chez godfather mason over austin if austin was scum? Itd be much smarter to not give chez a role that would instantly out himself as scum | ||
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Actually, it was: GREATEST BODYGUARD EVER | ||
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On January 30 2013 08:45 FiveTouch wrote: they almost certainly don't have a roleblocker. i heavily doubt they have 3 masons too. It's very likely that mafia have a framer due to the fact that vivax lived, unless vivax is mafia | ||
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On January 30 2013 10:15 grush57 wrote: Oh, Oats I forgot about you. It's pretty funny how the 2 least useful townies this game(besides myself ofc) ask me the questions. Of course I am, thats why I'm playing it. So sure they are town are you? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Private Message From: yamato77 [ 1967 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Toad Date: 2/1/13 04:25 If I die post this log. [1/26/2013 7:42:07 PM] Erik: sup am here [1/26/2013 7:42:09 PM] Erik: for a bit [1/26/2013 8:56:49 PM] Kyle Page: still there? [1/26/2013 8:56:58 PM] Erik: yeah [1/26/2013 8:57:04 PM] Erik: though I'll have a routerreset in 4 minutes [1/26/2013 8:57:10 PM] Kyle Page: okay [1/26/2013 8:57:16 PM] Kyle Page: well im just going to tell you what I know [1/26/2013 8:57:20 PM] Kyle Page: i masoned xhez d1 [1/26/2013 8:57:31 PM] Kyle Page: i thought people took him seriously [1/26/2013 8:57:36 PM] Kyle Page: apparently noy [1/26/2013 8:57:42 PM] Erik: are you one of the mystery masons vivax knows? [1/26/2013 8:57:53 PM] Kyle Page: vivax dont know shit [1/26/2013 8:57:56 PM] Kyle Page: FT/marv knows [1/26/2013 8:57:58 PM] Erik: k [1/26/2013 8:58:04 PM] Kyle Page: i masoned him d2 and gave him my logs with chez [1/26/2013 8:58:07 PM] Erik: man I'm so mad at our medic.. [1/26/2013 8:58:30 PM] Erik: could I have made the "protect bugs tonight" any cleared than I did?... [1/26/2013 8:58:34 PM] Kyle Page: no [1/26/2013 8:58:42 PM] Kyle Page: if I was medic bugs would be alive [1/26/2013 8:58:45 PM] Kyle Page: idk [1/26/2013 8:58:48 PM] Kyle Page: maybe wo dont have one [1/26/2013 8:58:52 PM] Erik: everything was set up perfectly [1/26/2013 8:58:57 PM] Erik: medic chain ending on bugs [1/26/2013 8:58:59 PM] Erik: and he screws up.. [1/26/2013 8:59:09 PM] Erik: we have one.. [1/26/2013 8:59:12 PM] Kyle Page: you know who he is? [1/26/2013 8:59:16 PM] Erik: yeah [1/26/2013 8:59:18 PM] Kyle Page: Oats? [1/26/2013 8:59:25 PM] Erik: not sure if I want to tell you yet [1/26/2013 8:59:29 PM] Kyle Page: thats fine [1/26/2013 8:59:43 PM] Erik: you might still be mafia if a lot out of chez / BKE / fuba / mocsta flips town [1/26/2013 8:59:52 PM] Kyle Page: I know you guys somnehow think i might be mafia [1/26/2013 8:59:53 PM] Kyle Page: but realistically [1/26/2013 8:59:56 PM] Kyle Page: come on [1/26/2013 9:00:07 PM] Erik: I don't think you're mafia [1/26/2013 9:00:11 PM] Erik: you're just not cleared town [1/26/2013 9:00:16 PM] Kyle Page: fair enough [1/26/2013 9:00:20 PM] Kyle Page: and I understand the logic [1/26/2013 9:00:25 PM] Erik: while have of the thread is basicly modconfirmed around now [1/26/2013 9:00:33 PM] Kyle Page: idk [1/26/2013 9:00:43 PM] Kyle Page: i think debears could be mafia [1/26/2013 9:00:53 PM] Erik: yeah unlikely but it could be [1/26/2013 9:00:56 PM] Erik: just like you [1/26/2013 9:01:24 PM] Kyle Page: though [1/26/2013 9:01:25 PM] Erik: am I still here? [1/26/2013 9:01:31 PM] Kyle Page: my theory around that revolves around you being mafia too [1/26/2013 9:01:39 PM] Kyle Page: but i dont think thats true [1/26/2013 9:01:42 PM] Kyle Page: its just like [1/26/2013 9:01:48 PM] Kyle Page: a lylo situation [1/26/2013 9:02:33 PM] Kyle Page: and i cant get rid of my suspicion on vivax [1/26/2013 9:02:40 PM] Kyle Page: though i have no real reason to doubt his claim [1/26/2013 9:07:09 PM] Erik: sry routerreset like I mentioned [1/26/2013 9:07:19 PM] Erik: [04:00:23] Kyle Page: idk [04:00:34] Kyle Page: i think debears could be mafia [04:00:42] Erik: yeah unlikely but it could be [04:00:46] Erik: just like you [04:01:14] Kyle Page: though [04:01:15] Erik: am I still here? [04:01:21] Kyle Page: my theory around that revolves around you being mafia too [04:01:29] Kyle Page: but i dont think thats true [04:01:32] Kyle Page: its just like [04:01:38] Kyle Page: a lylo situation [04:02:24] Kyle Page: and i cant get rid of my suspicion on vivax [04:02:33] Kyle Page: though i have no real reason to doubt his claim [04:07:00] Erik: sry routerreset like I mentioned [1/26/2013 9:07:24 PM] Erik: that's what skype looks like to me [1/26/2013 9:07:30 PM] Erik: anything I missed or you didn't get? [1/26/2013 9:08:06 PM] Kyle Page: i got it al just now [1/26/2013 9:08:14 PM] Kyle Page: idk im paranoid [1/26/2013 9:08:38 PM] Erik: about what? [1/26/2013 9:12:19 PM] Erik: i mean worst case scenario is probably one out of bke chez flips town [1/26/2013 9:12:26 PM] Erik: I REALLY think both will flip mafia [1/26/2013 9:12:27 PM] Kyle Page: chez more likely to flip town [1/26/2013 9:12:37 PM] Erik: I can't imagine both being town [1/26/2013 9:12:48 PM] Erik: and as long as we have 1 mafia we have them permanently on 1 KP and I know the medic [1/26/2013 9:13:12 PM] Erik: btw I told bugs to check you yesterday... [1/26/2013 9:13:36 PM] Erik: because the mafais are most people like BKE / chez are most likely going to be framer if there's a framer [1/26/2013 9:13:48 PM] Erik: and we just wanted to confirm people one by one.. [1/26/2013 9:13:55 PM] Erik: stupid medic screwed up big time [1/26/2013 9:14:08 PM] Kyle Page: doesnt matter a whole lot tbh [1/26/2013 9:14:22 PM] Kyle Page: im pretty sure vivax checked me [1/26/2013 9:19:26 PM] Erik: I just don't know how he ended up checking gonzaw n1 :D [1/26/2013 9:19:34 PM] Erik: i mean there's no denying he got a mafia with that check [1/26/2013 9:19:42 PM] Erik: but EVERYTHING else he said is utter bullshit [1/26/2013 9:20:47 PM] Kyle Page: idk [1/26/2013 9:20:56 PM] Kyle Page: i feel like it could be a power play [1/26/2013 9:20:59 PM] Kyle Page: i cant let it go [1/26/2013 9:21:03 PM] Kyle Page: i just cant [1/26/2013 9:21:13 PM] Kyle Page: he was better town in LVIII as scum than this game [1/26/2013 9:21:16 PM] Kyle Page: for fucking real [1/26/2013 9:21:32 PM] Erik: like mafia power play? [1/26/2013 9:21:37 PM] Kyle Page: ya [1/26/2013 9:21:38 PM] Erik: to look retarded on purpose? [1/26/2013 9:21:48 PM] Erik: kind of doubt it [1/26/2013 9:21:50 PM] Kyle Page: no one lynches people for being anti town [1/26/2013 9:22:07 PM] Erik: I really think I might have been the cause of how he plays... [1/26/2013 9:22:29 PM] Erik: remember when I called you two idiots for smashing your heads against each other like little kids when everyone thought you're both just town? [1/26/2013 9:22:40 PM] Erik: he was really pissed about me calling him an idiot and starting flaming back [1/26/2013 9:22:44 PM] Kyle Page: I honestly thought he was mafia from that post [1/26/2013 9:22:50 PM] Kyle Page: like [1/26/2013 9:22:58 PM] Kyle Page: how fucking stupid is that post from a town perspective [1/26/2013 9:23:02 PM] Kyle Page: makes no goddamn sense [1/26/2013 9:23:21 PM] Erik: nothing he said makes sense^^ [1/26/2013 9:24:51 PM] Kyle Page: this is true [1/26/2013 9:31:08 PM] Erik: oh well screw this about the medic [1/26/2013 9:31:18 PM] Erik: you can find him out anyways with me saying I know him... [1/26/2013 9:31:21 PM] Erik: it's axle [1/26/2013 9:32:08 PM] Kyle Page: lol [1/26/2013 9:32:10 PM] Kyle Page: really [1/26/2013 9:32:30 PM] Erik: he claimed 4 times in the thread.. [1/26/2013 9:32:34 PM] Erik: is noone reading his posts? [1/26/2013 9:32:37 PM] Kyle Page: nope [1/26/2013 9:33:16 PM] Kyle Page: after the newbie I played with him I gave up on understanding him [1/26/2013 9:33:58 PM] Erik: I do the big "WTF, WHAT ARE YOU DOING MEDICS, WHY DIDN'T YOU PROTECT BUGS" post and he quotes that and answers: [1/26/2013 9:33:59 PM] Erik: [Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:43 PM] Erik: <<< "Consequently this may or may not make sense to Toad If it doesnt make sense Toad then i hope or expect it just simply that I derped again, and that I failed to guess thigns that I dont know correctly. " [1/26/2013 9:34:21 PM] Kyle Page: rofl [1/26/2013 9:34:28 PM] Kyle Page: that is a claim huh [1/26/2013 9:34:31 PM] Erik: and he said he's sorry for screwing up n1 after I said the medics shouldn't protect sandroba [1/26/2013 9:34:34 PM] Erik: and 2 other things [1/26/2013 9:34:42 PM] Erik: it doesn't get any clearer than that [1/26/2013 9:34:50 PM] Erik: I'll still mason him tomorrow [1/26/2013 9:34:54 PM] Erik: and ask him to roleclaim [1/26/2013 9:34:56 PM] Kyle Page: why mason him [1/26/2013 9:35:02 PM] Erik: if he says anything than medic we lynch him [1/26/2013 9:35:12 PM] Erik: and if he is the medic I just tell him what to do.. [1/26/2013 9:35:14 PM] Kyle Page: i highly doubt he's mafia [1/26/2013 9:35:26 PM] Kyle Page: highly highly highly [1/26/2013 9:35:33 PM] Kyle Page: if he's mafia I quit [1/26/2013 9:35:42 PM] Erik: yeah he's basicly confirmed town to me [1/26/2013 9:35:51 PM] Erik: especially with thos 4 medic claims.. [1/26/2013 9:36:13 PM] Erik: I might even be more willing to lynch FT than him lol [1/26/2013 9:36:19 PM] Kyle Page: eh [1/26/2013 9:36:21 PM] Kyle Page: if marv is mafia [1/26/2013 9:36:26 PM] Kyle Page: he deserves to win [1/26/2013 9:36:30 PM] Kyle Page: tbh [1/26/2013 9:36:33 PM] Erik: yeah no way he's mafha though [1/26/2013 9:36:39 PM] Kyle Page: no way [1/26/2013 9:36:45 PM] Erik: that would mean gonzaw running for mayor stealing his votes [1/26/2013 9:36:54 PM] Erik: prplhz running for mayor [1/26/2013 9:37:03 PM] Erik: marv on top running for mayor [1/26/2013 9:37:08 PM] Erik: and maybe chez [1/26/2013 9:37:17 PM] Kyle Page: makes no sense IMO [1/26/2013 9:37:34 PM] Erik: exactly [1/26/2013 9:39:15 PM] Kyle Page: well anway [1/26/2013 9:39:20 PM] Kyle Page: im drinking atm [1/26/2013 9:39:31 PM] Kyle Page: i just awnted to say a few things to you [1/26/2013 9:39:35 PM] Kyle Page: see where you sat [1/26/2013 9:40:01 PM] Kyle Page: if vivax comes out with a red check on me lynch him [1/26/2013 9:40:07 PM] Kyle Page: that's all I have to say about today [1/26/2013 9:40:15 PM] Erik: ;D [1/26/2013 9:40:29 PM] Erik: fine, I'll be off now. 4:40 am after all [1/26/2013 9:40:34 PM] Kyle Page: wewll you can lynch me first if you like [1/26/2013 9:40:37 PM] Kyle Page: but definitely lynch him for it [1/26/2013 9:40:42 PM] Kyle Page: see ya later [8:55:04 AM] Erik: hey there. I'm done with getting all the stuff out of my place. Sorry for not having time to chat the last 2 days [8:55:16 AM] Erik: If you want to, we can still talk today [8:55:42 AM] Erik: and you probably look better with chez flipping mason. But keep what I told you about axle to you [8:56:21 AM] Erik: FT and I are apparently the only ones who know his role and I'm going to make 100% sure he's the medic by masoning him tomorrow and asking him [8:58:12 AM] Kyle Page: i'm not going to tell anyone about axle, no worries. [8:58:15 AM] Kyle Page: also [8:58:17 AM] Kyle Page: check your PMs [8:58:36 AM] Erik: why [8:58:45 AM] Erik: why do i need to use the jail on FT? [8:58:46 AM] Erik: tonight? [8:59:09 AM] Erik: oh you want me to wait with my jail. Yeah that's what I had in mind [8:59:17 AM] Kyle Page: think about it [8:59:20 AM] Kyle Page: 1 mafia left [8:59:26 AM] Kyle Page: you jail the guy mafia can't shoot [8:59:35 AM] Kyle Page: he's either confirmed town or confirmed mafia [8:59:36 AM] Kyle Page: right there [8:59:38 AM] Erik: yeah [8:59:39 AM] Erik: well [8:59:59 AM] Erik: oh you mean when bodyguards are still alive and mafia is down to 1 [9:00:02 AM] Kyle Page: yes [9:00:07 AM] Erik: yeah that makes sense [9:00:20 AM] Erik: not sure if I can jail him though, will ask BC [9:00:26 AM] Kyle Page: I think you can [9:00:39 AM] Kyle Page: if you can't, oh well. It was just a really good idea I had while working [9:01:09 AM] Kyle Page: because I am rethinking people's play this game and he's not nearly as great with his reads as I initially thought [9:01:12 AM] Erik: yeah I think I can as well [9:01:16 AM] Erik: but I never asked [9:01:17 AM] Erik: about that [9:01:42 AM] Erik: well he lynched mafia d1 and he was fine with lynching gonzaw + cchez [9:01:55 AM] Erik: and gonzaw + prplhz + chez were all running for mayor [9:02:26 AM] Erik: it's REALLY unlikely that mafia split their votes like that and FT or I (*hurdur*) are mafia as well [9:03:23 AM] Kyle Page: I don't know how much stock I want to put into that kind of logic at the moment, I'd rather not just put him aside as "town" and ignore it like I have been [9:03:33 AM] Kyle Page: He was on the wrong side of gonzaw/Oats [9:03:40 AM] Kyle Page: completely wrong about BKE [9:03:42 AM] Kyle Page: idk [9:03:58 AM] Erik: he hasn't been wrong about gonzaw oats [9:04:09 AM] Erik: it was just about who gets lynched first [9:04:20 AM] Erik: like I wanted to have oats lynched d1 instead of prplhz [9:04:32 AM] Erik: when I was pretty certain both are mafia at that point in time [9:04:36 AM] Kyle Page: Oats hasn't even been on his mafia radar since then, though [9:05:05 AM] Erik: if you read our posts from that time it becomes pretty clear that all of WBG / Marv / myself thought 2 or 3 out of gonzaw / oats / BKE / chez are mafia and it was just about who gets lynched first [9:05:22 AM] Erik: yeah he might be back on the radar [9:05:25 AM] Erik: not sure [9:05:33 AM] Kyle Page: yeah but he was the only one of you guys to pick Oats [9:05:33 AM] Erik: I'm going to look into him [9:05:40 AM] Kyle Page: you and Bugs picked gonzaw [9:05:43 AM] Erik: yeah I guess [9:05:49 AM] Erik: bugs and I picked chez / BKE [9:05:58 AM] Erik: we ended up picking gonzaw once the red check came in [9:06:03 AM] Kyle Page: that's true [9:06:09 AM] Kyle Page: but you both said Oats was townier [9:06:12 AM] Kyle Page: I remember that [9:06:14 AM] Kyle Page: just as I did [9:06:21 AM] Kyle Page: I argued with Marv is mason chat about it [9:06:23 AM] Erik: yeah, we both said oats was the worst out of the 4 by a lot [9:06:55 AM] Erik: because there was no reason to risk lynching into him when out of 4 probably only 2 or 3 are mafias according to our reads and he's the bodyguard [9:07:07 AM] Erik: with BKE flipping town he could be back on the radar though [9:07:10 AM] Kyle Page: idk [9:07:17 AM] Erik: he's by no means confirmed town to me [9:07:26 AM] Erik: but it looks odd with gonzaws red flip [9:07:33 AM] Erik: because gonzaw was pushing oats, wasn't he? [9:07:37 AM] Kyle Page: Marv admitted himself that he "picked the wrong one" out of gonzaw/Oats after the flip. [9:07:46 AM] Kyle Page: that means he saw it as one or ther other before the check [9:07:50 AM] Kyle Page: just as I did [9:08:00 AM] Erik: yeah [9:08:09 AM] Erik: and on top of that gonzaws filter is / was a goldmine [9:08:13 AM] Kyle Page: I don't know why I reached a conclusion Marv did not [9:08:22 AM] Erik: because as mentioned there's a lot of people who look way better with gonzaw flipping red [9:08:28 AM] Erik: if you look at what he has been pushing d1 [9:08:36 AM] Kyle Page: Oats [9:08:40 AM] Kyle Page: Stutters? [9:08:42 AM] Kyle Page: I think [9:08:45 AM] Erik: yeah [9:08:52 AM] Kyle Page: and JX at some point [9:08:54 AM] Kyle Page: I believe [9:09:00 AM] Erik: that's the only reason I'm okay with stutters to be honest [9:09:06 AM] Kyle Page: Eh [9:09:08 AM] Kyle Page: you were in Yan [9:09:12 AM] Kyle Page: this is how he plays [9:09:15 AM] Erik: i know [9:09:21 AM] Erik: but I have no idea if he's town or mafia [9:09:37 AM] Erik: I'm leaning town, slightly [9:09:44 AM] Erik: but not more than that [9:09:50 AM] Kyle Page: I'd rather not lynch him unless he does something scummy [9:09:54 AM] Erik: yeah [9:09:56 AM] Erik: agree [9:10:00 AM] Kyle Page: I don't think he's a good enough mafia player not to do that [9:10:16 AM] Erik: I still don't know what to do with vivax.. [9:10:24 AM] Erik: I think lynching him tomorrow would be retarded [9:11:33 AM] Erik: still we might have to lynch him later on [9:11:33 AM] Kyle Page: when I looked at his past town games [9:11:35 AM] Kyle Page: honestly [9:11:43 AM] Kyle Page: he plays a lot like hismelf even as mafia [9:11:49 AM] Erik: he's kind of stupid [9:11:51 AM] Erik: which makes it hard [9:12:08 AM] Erik: and I'm not usually saying that kind of stuff [9:12:21 AM] Erik: when I say "bad" or "stupid" I usually mean weird [9:12:28 AM] Erik: but when talking about vivax it's stupid like stupid [9:12:33 AM] Kyle Page: haha [9:12:35 AM] Kyle Page: well [9:12:38 AM] Kyle Page: if he's town [9:12:44 AM] Kyle Page: he can't read me to save his life [9:12:52 AM] Erik: i mean he's a DT [9:13:02 AM] Erik: we already had a hatter flip [9:13:11 AM] Erik: annul claimed another hatter (which is weird to me) [9:13:17 AM] Erik: we had bugs being a DT [9:13:25 AM] Erik: we have a medic in 99% of the cases [9:13:32 AM] Erik: and a shitton of masons [9:13:36 AM] Kyle Page: I said in the thread that their two claims look terrible after the third cycle flips [9:13:49 AM] Erik: yeah [9:13:51 AM] Kyle Page: Ft only one who resisted me [9:13:58 AM] Kyle Page: besides annul of course [9:14:05 AM] Kyle Page: but he's Vivax-lite at the moment [9:14:31 AM] Erik: I wouldn't go as far as to say it makes them look terrible, but it's questionable [9:14:55 AM] Erik: "worst" case scenrio one claim is a fake, "best" case both are true imo [9:15:13 AM] Erik: I just still don't understand why vivax would check bugs out of all people [9:15:20 AM] Kyle Page: makes no fucking sense lol [9:15:30 AM] Erik: I called protection on bugs for a reason [9:15:40 AM] Erik: mafia doublestacked him, pretty certainly [9:15:44 AM] Erik: and vivax checks him.. [9:15:45 AM] Kyle Page: this was the towniest I have ever seen bugs [9:15:53 AM] Erik: exactly [9:16:05 AM] Erik: even when he was flaming annul [9:16:13 AM] Erik: not pro-town at all, but bugs-town [9:16:14 AM] Kyle Page: annul deserved it [9:16:23 AM] Erik: well bugs overdid it [9:16:30 AM] Erik: no reason to ruin someones game [9:16:36 AM] Kyle Page: yeah I suppos [9:16:41 AM] Erik: no matter if annul is town or mafia [9:18:59 AM] Erik: I like this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=165#3291 [9:19:02 AM] Erik: pretty much agree with it [9:19:27 AM] Erik: I would be going after mocsta if he wasn't mason though [9:19:42 AM] Kyle Page: I don't think he's mafia at all [9:19:59 AM] Erik: mocsta hasn't really done a thing [9:20:01 AM] Kyle Page: his 1 mafia game I was on him day 1 in obs [9:20:13 AM] Erik: except for defening people (mostly me from vivax if I remember correctly) [9:20:27 AM] Kyle Page: what is he actually going to do in this town? [9:20:33 AM] Kyle Page: it's like me [9:20:38 AM] Kyle Page: I have my good ideas occasionally [9:20:55 AM] Erik: yeah I guess it's pretty dominated by what FT, bugs and I say [9:20:56 AM] Kyle Page: but there are way too many good towns thinking for mocsta to come up with something original, lol [9:21:14 AM] Erik: and Sandro d1 but he kept everything he said in the masonchat with me^^ [9:21:26 AM] Kyle Page: that was a good idea of him tbh [9:21:34 AM] Kyle Page: kep t all of town from becoming a sheep fest [9:21:35 AM] Erik: yeah [9:21:44 AM] Erik: and he was really certain I'm town [9:21:52 AM] Erik: because I masoned him 10 seconds into d1 [9:22:00 AM] Kyle Page: I'll say this [9:22:11 AM] Kyle Page: either you have balls of steel, or you're town [9:22:17 AM] Erik: thought I wouldn't have the balls to do that as mafia and he knew that I could be talking for him in the thread [9:22:26 AM] Erik: I have balls of steel but I am town [9:22:45 AM] Erik: I got the best play 2012 award for a game as mafia after all [9:22:58 AM] Kyle Page: haha I guess I didn't read into that [9:23:11 AM] Kyle Page: well if you're mafia this game it's either with debears or FT [9:23:16 AM] Kyle Page: I highly doubt it would be with FT [9:23:24 AM] Erik: i mean ft would be retarded [9:23:32 AM] Erik: that would mean EVERYONE running for mayor was mafia ;D [9:23:45 AM] Kyle Page: except vivax [9:23:47 AM] Erik: and I'd say it's pretty likely that both FT and I are town [9:23:54 AM] Erik: vivax didn't really run [9:24:01 AM] Kyle Page: that's what I said at the time [9:24:13 AM] Kyle Page: but people had townreads on him for running [9:24:20 AM] Erik: I made him run later on with my "what about making an idiot become sheriff" later on [9:24:24 AM] Erik: well yeah [9:24:38 AM] Kyle Page: one person I do kinda want to kill is austin [9:24:39 AM] Erik: same reason I have my townread on grush [9:24:47 AM] Erik: austin is an option [9:24:48 AM] Kyle Page: isn't he actually useful as town? [9:24:49 AM] Erik: for sure [9:24:51 AM] Erik: yeah [9:24:58 AM] Kyle Page: he's done NOTHING [9:25:01 AM] Kyle Page: less than me [9:25:08 AM] Erik: I even mentioned him along all other vets as a potential vote candidate [9:25:09 AM] Erik: wait [9:25:14 AM] Erik: didn't gonzaw vote austin? [9:25:18 AM] Erik: instead of me? [9:25:18 AM] Kyle Page: check time [9:25:22 AM] Erik: pretty sure he did [9:25:25 AM] Erik: or at least mention it [9:25:36 AM] Erik: he didn't vote [9:25:52 AM] Erik: he had his vote on him until 3 minutes prior to deadline but he DID say he wants austin instead of me [9:26:21 AM] Kyle Page: yeah but look at the vost distribution [9:26:28 AM] Kyle Page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394305¤tpage=3#42 [9:26:48 AM] Kyle Page: makes no sense for both of them to be mafia when one of them could have been elected if they consolidated at all [9:27:04 AM] Erik: well we both agree axle is town [9:27:07 AM] Erik: so no influence on that [9:27:20 AM] Erik: sandro was as well [9:27:21 AM] Kyle Page: also looks at Chez's three votes there [9:27:28 AM] Kyle Page: below the count [9:27:31 AM] Kyle Page: firs he votes BKE [9:27:32 AM] Erik: they could have gotten one of them to 4, which woul not have been enough [9:27:38 AM] Kyle Page: wait [9:27:41 AM] Kyle Page: first he votes AUSTIN [9:27:41 AM] Erik: oh yeah chez.. [9:27:44 AM] Kyle Page: then BKE [9:27:46 AM] Kyle Page: then Gonzaw [9:27:53 AM] Kyle Page: looks like a mixup [9:28:03 AM] Kyle Page: all within 1 minute [9:28:09 AM] Erik: no idea to be honest [9:29:35 AM] Kyle Page: hm [9:32:32 AM] Kyle Page: austin defended prplhz a lot day 1 [9:32:36 AM] Kyle Page: like [9:32:43 AM] Kyle Page: a metric fuckton [9:32:52 AM] Kyle Page: go through his filter eith cntrl+f on prplhz [9:33:07 AM] Kyle Page: it's goddamn everywhere [9:33:58 AM] Kyle Page: holy shit [9:34:01 AM] Kyle Page: dude he's mafia [9:34:05 AM] Kyle Page: he's fucking mafia [9:34:17 AM] Erik: told ya [9:34:18 AM] Kyle Page: no one goes this hard defending someone day 1 [9:34:35 AM] Kyle Page: holy shit [9:38:22 AM] Kyle Page: Also he calls gonzaw town the whole damn game [9:40:21 AM] Kyle Page: after the day post I'm going after austin if I'm still alive [9:40:33 AM] Kyle Page: you should, too [9:40:43 AM] Erik: yeah [9:40:50 AM] Erik: posted something in the thread [9:40:53 AM] Kyle Page: looking through his filter, I think he's mafia from the association betwen them [9:58:42 AM] Erik: I guess austin doesn't make a whole lot of sense balancewise [9:58:51 AM] Erik: and we should start lynching into guys like mkfuba first [10:01:15 AM] Kyle Page: holy shit that delurk [10:01:16 AM] Kyle Page: what the fuck [10:08:03 AM] Erik: "I'd" can mean both I would and I could, right? [10:08:16 AM] Kyle Page: no [10:08:20 AM] Kyle Page: it always means I would [10:08:42 AM] Erik: does this sound weird in english? [10:08:43 AM] Erik: (2) shut up and let Gonzaw die, given that so many votes had been dropped on him and it was unlikely I'd save him before the end of D2. [10:08:51 AM] Kyle Page: yes [10:08:53 AM] Erik: it does when I think about it in german [10:09:26 AM] Erik: that I would looks so odd in that place [10:09:27 AM] Kyle Page: he messes up his tenses [10:09:43 AM] Erik: but I don't know how to phrase it correctly [10:10:36 AM] Kyle Page: "shut up and let Gonzaw die, given that so many votes had been dropped on him THAT it was unlike I would BE ABLE TO save him before the end of day 2 [10:12:50 AM] Kyle Page: The fact that he's considered the possibility of people thinking him mafia means he's paranoid [10:13:00 AM] Kyle Page: I caught Gonzaw the same way [10:13:31 AM] Kyle Page: He just admitted there it was a prepared response [10:13:33 AM] Kyle Page: idk [10:13:39 AM] Kyle Page: I don't like people who do this shit lol [10:14:03 AM] Kyle Page: lurk, and only post to defend themselves lategame with WIFOM bombs about shit they did early [10:14:35 AM] Erik: yeah but again, balancewise it really doesn't make sense for him to be mafia... [10:14:43 AM] Erik: If I only knew if BC balances his games like that [10:15:01 AM] Erik: most people do but there's people like kita who just don't do that at all [10:15:36 AM] Kyle Page: i've never cared for balance arguments anyway [10:15:51 AM] Kyle Page: it's too subjective of someone's opinion of a player's skill [10:16:14 AM] Erik: well yeah [10:16:25 AM] Erik: but FT / sandro / bugs being mafia wuld have been bullshit [10:16:31 AM] Erik: *would [10:16:41 AM] Kyle Page: lol yeah [10:16:47 AM] Kyle Page: I think you can do stuff to avoid that [10:16:54 AM] Kyle Page: for sure [10:17:14 AM] Erik: I usually just roll random and if it looks awful reroll completly [10:17:22 AM] Kyle Page: haha [10:17:36 AM] Erik: that's what I did in SSB for example [10:17:46 AM] Erik: because SSB is something you can't really random because it's way to weird [10:17:58 AM] Erik: so I ended up rerolling 5 times and the 5th time it was decent [10:18:16 AM] Erik: if you just assign roles / players so that it fits people can read the set-up [10:19:43 AM] Kyle Page: yeah [10:19:46 AM] Kyle Page: like making marv GF [10:19:52 AM] Kyle Page: in any game [10:19:53 AM] Kyle Page: ever [10:32:54 AM] Kyle Page: he already posted his thoughts on the roles and shit [10:34:08 AM] Kyle Page: I'm going to make him take a stance on this [10:34:13 AM] Kyle Page: he's waflled a lot since d1 [10:45:35 AM] Kyle Page: Oats ia blue rofl [10:45:41 AM] Kyle Page: wonder what he is [10:45:50 AM] Kyle Page: maybe another vet haha [10:45:54 AM] Erik: ? [10:46:09 AM] Kyle Page: his reaction was the same as yours [10:46:22 AM] Erik: so? [10:46:34 AM] Erik: he knows that massclaim isn't the way to go right now [10:46:48 AM] Kyle Page: I thought it was obvious I was joking [10:46:52 AM] Kyle Page: but you both took it seriously [10:47:13 AM] Erik: yeah it was obvious but not to everyone [10:47:24 AM] Erik: there might be more people like vivax out there [10:47:31 AM] Erik: who are like "well okay, here's my claim".. [10:49:11 AM] Kyle Page: i suppose [10:49:21 AM] Kyle Page: but his reaction reads to me like an indirect claim [10:49:27 AM] Kyle Page: like he would be outed if this happened [10:49:29 AM] Kyle Page: idk [11:27:55 AM] Kyle Page: fucking marv/austin scum team [11:27:57 AM] Kyle Page: makes too much sense [11:28:09 AM] Erik: doubt it [11:28:17 AM] Kyle Page: we'll see [11:28:25 AM] Kyle Page: right now this is weak shit coming from him [11:28:30 AM] Erik: no reason to get paranoid right now [11:28:50 AM] Erik: gonzaw also said he was willing to lynch austin early on [11:28:53 AM] Erik: according to bugs [11:41:45 AM] Kyle Page: you know what's going to happen [11:41:50 AM] Kyle Page: if marv is mafia [11:42:01 AM] Kyle Page: he's going to call austin scum and then push for a different lynch [11:42:09 AM] Kyle Page: if he's town he'll agree to this lynch And push for his lynch. | ||
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I don't see anything implicating Toad as mafia in the damn thing lol WHY YAMATO WHYYYYYYYYYY Should've read it first -_- | ||
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debears
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So I'm thinking the lynch choices between Annul, Adam, Fuba? | ||
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debears
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Put da team on your backs! | ||
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