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On January 22 2013 03:17 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 03:10 Vivax wrote:On January 22 2013 03:06 yamato77 wrote:On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote:
Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points.
You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration.
And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky.
I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town.
Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky. I'm just going to treat this post as a scum claim, because trying to take it at face value is mind boggling. It's not. Scum knows I'm town, so they have no interest into electing me. If JX says he might elect me, then I see it as a townie point. You need to work on taking the point of view of a townie. But maybe that's not the point you're making. How is it a scum claim? You are trading a vote on you for "townie points" to a person you were earlier suspicious of. You explain away your half-assed mayoral campaign on time zone differences. You justify your stupid OMGUS with shitty logic. And to top it all off, you downplay your own ability to play the game in a situation where it is beneficial for people to think of you as less skilled. Scum claim.
To add to this; I believe you've been doing exactly the same sort of posting since the beginning of the game. You're doing what you think others will find you townie for, not of your own volition. Your scum hunting attempts are half-assed, your mayoral campaign is half-assed, and every time you post I just smell scum on you. You defend yourself constantly.
As I said before, you're playing an image-focused game, and it's scummy as shit. I really want to see your flip.
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Sandroba I want to know why you think FT is Palmar and what you think that means about his intentions with his play so far today.
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On January 22 2013 03:33 Toadesstern wrote:
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On January 22 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote:
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I have never seen two town players buddy so hard day 1.
You two are either masons or scumbuddies. I have no reason to believe that you are masoned, so I think you're just scum.
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On January 22 2013 03:45 Toadesstern wrote:
and we're back to this again.
You guys are making it too fucking obvious for me to ignore.
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On January 22 2013 03:51 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 03:48 yamato77 wrote:On January 22 2013 03:45 Toadesstern wrote:
and we're back to this again. You guys are making it too fucking obvious for me to ignore. Well I have no control over his actions 
One of you is almost certainly scum, and I'm inclined to believe you both are.
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On January 22 2013 03:51 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 03:41 yamato77 wrote:
Sandroba I want to know why you think FT is Palmar and what you think that means about his intentions with his play so far today. His post on you was pretty palmarish. I think he means well, but I'm actually not so sure about prpl. A lot of his posts seem genuine to me.
I agree with the sentiments expressed here.
What bugs me is the idea that if this is Palmar, and he is indeed smurfing, I am inclined to believe he would do so with the express intention of making a power play (as he's doing now) as mafia. Obviously he made the decision before he got his role PM, but nonetheless it is a paranoia that I am subject to.
On another note, I am leaving for work, and I won't be back until after the deadline. I'm voting for myself because I want to be sheriff, and I don't see any reason not to put me in that position. No one that isn't mafia thinks I'm suspicious at all. I believe I can do well with JK powers, as my ability to ascertain good town reads on veteran players is actually better than I let on.
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The only other person I would vote for is FT, and he's going to win mayor anyway so I'm less inclined to do so.
Though these ninja votes by Vivax/Stutters onto Toad are fucking suspicious as shit.
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If it means blocking the scummy toad/vivax combo with their stuff I guess it's worth it.
Make fucking sure those two do not get elected. No fucking idea why they're acting the way they are.
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I'm more suspicious of Vivax than you but I want neither of you in office for the association. It's too overt.
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Austin finding out my problem with Vivax's play this whole game.
I've only been shouting it for the last 24 hours.
I'm not so happy if Toad gets sherrif but I am not outright opposing it any longer. Vivax being retarded shouldn't affect my read of toad.
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On January 22 2013 08:27 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 08:26 yamato77 wrote:
Austin finding out my problem with Vivax's play this whole game.
I've only been shouting it for the last 24 hours.
I'm not so happy if Toad gets sherrif but I am not outright opposing it any longer. Vivax being retarded shouldn't affect my read of toad. what do you make of the information that I'm a masoned and masoned Sandro 10 secs into d1? Think I'd do that as mafia?
I thought you masoned Vivax, but Sandro makes sense too.
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On January 22 2013 08:41 Vivax wrote:
→ implying he thought I've been masoned when he said me and Toad are scum together.
→ implying it makes sense for a scum toad to contact sandro.
- implying that I care about what you have to say about me
+ Show Spoiler +I don't. + Show Spoiler +But for the record, I just recently came to the conclusion that Toad was mason. It actually made me think the reason for his unexplained read on you/Sandro wasn't because you guys were mafia together, but because of a mason link. Sandro changed my thought on that.
Furthermore, you misrepresenting what I'm saying yet again is disturbing. Toad might be town Mason, but that doesn't mean you aren't scum fooling him.
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Also for the record I have it on good authority that there are a lot of masons, scum and town.
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Mocsta I don't think grush is scum, and I don't think accusing him is going to make it more evident even if he is.
I would spend your time looking at other players. Funny, coming from me, but Grush plays like this often. Only time will tell with him.
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On another, somewhat discordant note with the ideas I expressed in my previous post, I am going to address my suspicions of Vivax at length some time in this night period. Hopefully within the next few hours, but definitely before day 2.
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What I'm saying isn't that I'm going to go on a rampage with my usual confirmation bias, it is that I am going to address my suspicion of him, and that includes addressing the validity of the defenses put forth by veteran players such as yourself.
I am going to include my reasons for doubting my initial inclination, but I want to make a condensed version of what I have noted on his play already in my filter. I will consider it the last thing I will say on the matter until something changes, or it becomes apparent to me that other people are also catching on to the issues I bring forth about Vivax's play.
But before I do that, I'm going to do a little digging. It occurs to me that I have only ever played with mafia Vivax, so I am going to look at a town game or two of his and see if I can draw any meaningful comparisons.
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What he means, Mocsta, is that he was aiming those two points at me.
My appeal to you to discontinue your pursuit of Grush is that I don't think anything he is going to do in response to your accusations is going to change your mind.
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On January 22 2013 14:33 DearestSnot wrote:
I personally don't find any reason to defend grush's play as townlike, nor do I find it plausible that he is actually as readable as yamato says he is.
Certainly, there are games in which grush has made himself relatively readable but I don't think this is one of them.
Note that I don't think there's necessarily any reason to call grush scum either, but I do think that people like him need to be threatened with lynch more, as the forum suffers greatly from indirectly encouraging that type of play. I think it needs to end so that games aren't overloaded with deadweight townies.
I understand this appeal, and I agree with it, but town is usually averse to the idea of lynching a player they can't get a read on.
I don't think there's much we can do other than straight up lynch him or wait for him to be more readable. I would consider his continued absence in the thread tantamount to a scum claim, so perhaps later on in day 2 if he's done nothing else and town hasn't outright caught scum, we can more seriously entertain the idea of lynching him.
Right now, though, I am more willing to give him a chance because I think the possibility that he is town and playing like this is higher than other people who are doing similar disappearing/blending acts, such as Clarity or Annul.
I think Annul, especially, deserves a hard inspection tomorrow as his encouragement of my suspicions on Vivax and Toad could certainly be seen as fanning the flames, and he never really substantiated his read on Vivax in particular despite insisting that he be lynched. His mayoral campaign, if you can call it that, was extremely weak. I don't feel like he gave a shit at all about what town was trying to do yesterday, which colors my read on him quite red.
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On January 22 2013 14:35 Mocsta wrote:
Well regardless.. I meant what I said about the appeal to authority.
The vets obviously know more about the game than we do.. they can use that experience to aid us, or abuse us.. I think they keep saying.. "vet says do it this way" to test if we have the balls to think for ourselves. if we capitulate and give in, we are just useless townies that town/mafia vets can exploit as needed.
If vets provide substantiated reads; at least I can make a judgement on whether they are trying to help town or not.
That is precisely why I haven't given up on my read of Vivax.
I'm not discouraging your read, I'm just telling you that spending your time trying to make Grush do stuff probably isn't going to work.
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On January 22 2013 15:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Useless post Mocsta.
Ok so who would you be willing to lynch at this point?
The better question is, who would YOU be willing to lynch outside of Stutters?
Hm?
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