EPTDoes it mean you think he's scum?
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Please lynch JX + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote: *snipped axle coherency comment* I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. *question to host and gonzaw vote* *Joking about earlier game* I took a look at what reads he meant. Written by gonz very early, probably not serious: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 14:01 gonzaw wrote: *snip Seems like sandro flipped scum again. Unless you plan on telling us why you are not giving a shit about the mayor candidacy, which you would obviously do as town? Here gonzaw says the same thing JX said later about me. We could interpret this as one of the reads JX was agreeing with. It's also pretty interesting that austin and gonzaw share the same preference for stutters. Should be scrutinized. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:24 gonzaw wrote: Just before I go to sleep 2 things caught my attention since I've skimmed the thread: 1)Vivax made his "campaign post" as soon as the game started, and completely disappeared. If he was town actually trying to be mayor...one would have thought he'd keep around trying to either do what town does (hunt scum as early as possible and start discussion) or at the very least answer questions regarding his mayor campaign. 2)Stutters' entrance in the game seemed pretty underwhelming. Even though there's nothing "solid" to go on about most people, he just seemed to ask seemingly "unrelated" questions without trying to participate that much in discussions. I saw him make his first "weak" post (at least in a general sense), then ask some questions, "lurk" in between and ask some other questions. It's not much to go on, I'd want him to take a stance on the whole sandro issue and other candidates perhaps. There are some guys I don't even know, like Fivesomething and Donotsomething, I take it they are smurfs? In summary, it looks like JX trusted gonzaw and his reads at the time. Among those, he preferred to comment on me rather than stutters or sandro. However, in the next post: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote: *snip* >_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player. Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it. Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious. I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor. If Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill. He's implying that both me and sandro were attacking him cause he's weak and suspecting us rather than responding directly to the points sandro made. Telling us, the (scum)reads from gonzaw he agrees with, to "chill" lol. I would rather expect a townie with us as scumreads to become suspicious of both of us here, not to write that we're just omgusing him as his defence. He also says he doesn't want me as mayor, later he will say he would vote for me based on what Toad said. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote: Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy? Okay. He agrees with gonzaws' reads, so he should find me, sandro and possibly stutters scummy. Yet he asks Toad a question about...gonzaw himself? Why? He knows he agrees with him, why is he asking information about him and not me or stutters? As you see in the first post in this quotechain, Oats asked Toad about sandrobas reluctance to run for mayor. Toad replied that he already wrote it (he wrote that it's troublesome that sandro's not running but later, that he still wants him elected even if he doesn't want it). Now, JX doesn't care about that exchange, he asks Toad if sandro is bullshitting or feeling lazy (which is a strange question to ask about someone you should find concerning). All the while ignoring what has already been written about him. These two are the sort of random stuff scum asks to look useful. Detached from their line of thought/set of reads. More or less like this one in the second post after: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote: I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking. What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says? Vivax mind explaining? He asks Toad another random question after he answered the previous one with this: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:32 Toadesstern wrote: Sandroba is weird. Him not running for mayor is weird without being alignment indicative at all. If anything it might be a towntell but I'm believing him when he said it's something he set his mind to pregame so it makes it a null-tell. The few posts he did so far aren't looking like the usual townsandroba though. It's hard to judge based on so little but something's off and I have to figure out wether it's him being mafia or him playing different on purpose. Don't want to say too much about gonzaw right now. As you see, Toad says sandro doesn't look like town sandro. JX just asked him a question about sandro, gets a semi-null read as response, and doesn't give a fuck about it (I assume sandro would be his current suspect if he's asking questions about him and agrees with gonzaw). He also doesn't ask why Toad doesn't want to talk about gonzaw. No. He goes on to ask a question about a debears being talked about by austin.To which Toad replied: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:56 Toadesstern wrote: didn't even realize he has posted yet :p Seems like an ignore & observe to me right now. Anything said about him would be talking out of my ass everyone could do no matter of alingment because all there is is "dude's a lurker". No need for that right now. JX -again- never expanded on Toads' answer. What did he ask them for then? + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 04:07 JieXian wrote: I'm asking for toad's professional vet opinion about somebody so I can read better And subsequently he doesn't give a fuck about anything he was agreeing about with gonzaw earlier, yet he still wants him for mayor in a later post. Then this here is also pretty scummy, but it's rather subjective: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:54 JieXian wrote: Ok it means screaming and going quiet. If you're sleeping it's fine. I didn't not express my belief because I only have a suspicion. And it appears that you're sleeping. Why are you expectnig me to continue pursuing you if you've provided an explaination? Would you say this to someone you think could be scum? | ||
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I would like if some vet expressed his opinion about my JX analysis, although I didn't analyse every post. It's even more concerning that no one besides me and sandro suspected him for what he did. He could have been a good target for scum, but he's scum himself. | ||
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Something tells me it's prplhz. But it seems like a pure meta decision, can you feel confident enough in it? | ||
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Do you think he's scummier than annul? @ Oats If you are confused by my case, then you should read it again. It rather confuses me that you summarize it like that and put it apart. | ||
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I like your case , I will support an annul lynch tomorrow if JX doesn't get lynched. I kinda had my doubts about you to be honest, but your latest contributions made me change my mind. I am also quite interested in debears and mkfuba for their lurky, passive-aggressive style, we shouldn't forget Chezinu either for trying to stop Toad from being elected. What do you think about them? Going to a birthday, I'll be back one or two hours before deadline. | ||
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You're awesome for replying with that pic. I laughed quite a bit irl. Meanwhile, yamato and annul are arguing about who did something utterly stupid first, this game is a pretty good show. See you at the chopping block, annul. Keep it cool though, I have been insulted numerous times already in this game, too. | ||
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Information. I want to communicate that my last two posts didn't reflect my true opinion, I just wrote them cause I was afraid of scum shooting me. My strategies this game are so refined that you would need the competence of a profiler to understand them. I know I'm being a little cocky though  | ||
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Time to start over with my reads. | ||
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 .I'm not feeling too confident in an annul lynch, I was actually thinking that Djo is scum lol. | ||
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On January 23 2013 14:50 AxleGreaser wrote: Absolutely, we should NOT discuss who we are protecting tonight Last night that didn't work out at all well. However Bugs DID Then Toad Conveniently did what was maximally bad and most likely to result in Sherrif and a Doc if there is one protecting the same person. Toad Claims with logs that cant be verified. That he and Sandroba decided that together. I find that in itself implausible. I believe Sandroba is better than that. I believe Toad is better than that. That Scum then happened to luck out and guess who to attack when their other targets were so Low key.. is to me mind boggling lucky.... or it is a plan. If Toad is scum and takes the sheriff protection off Sandroba, scum kills Sandroba then Toad can claim the logs made him do it. Exactly how tricky does scum toad make his plans? I'm suspicious of Toad as well. I just don't see mafia being so precise or lucky with their kills without full knowledge of what he's going to do. I am against putting a taboo over the NK talk. For the fans of Ockham's : Mafia knew who was going to get jailed and that Bugs was going to be roleblocked, so they shot players like Djo and JX. Highly unlikely that they thought about 3² variations of WIFOM to determine their targets in such a way. | ||
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On January 23 2013 11:35 annul wrote: because there is only one mafia jack? On January 23 2013 11:36 annul wrote: or, i should say, there is either 0 or 1 mafia jacks. there is not 2. On January 23 2013 11:37 annul wrote: "These [potentially] four Mafia power roles must be separately distributed, meaning one Mafia member can only possess one of these powers." from the first page Scumslip. ? of ? Jacks remaining ##Vote annul | ||
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I see the way he corrected himself as scummy. If he really thought what he said there he wouldn't have felt the need to immediately justify it afterwards, he justified it cause he knew he slipped. Mafia suffer from spotlight effect. | ||
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If there are multiple jacks possible is secondary. If you were so sure of it then you wouldn't have felt the need to correct yourself like that. Since you didn't mention that you considered the possibility that the third kill was from a town vigi, don't even think about pulling that card now. @ Toad Give me an estimation of scumminess among these, put them in preferencial order please: annul, yamato, gonzaw, mkfuba | ||
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On January 23 2013 19:45 Vivax wrote: If there are multiple jacks possible is secondary. If you were so sure of only one jack then you wouldn't have felt the need to correct yourself like that. Since you didn't mention the possibility that the third kill was from a town vigi, don't even think about pulling that card now. | ||
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