TL Mafia LIX - Page 19

On January 22 2013 17:41 yamato77 wrote:
So, I've been sitting on this idea of mine, and having seen what people think of grush and his likely alignment, I would like to give town some information that I have, which I believe most people do not.

Grush is a mason. Town or Mafia, I don't know, but he masoned me day 1. Right now, I am inclined to believe this was a mafia mason, however, because of how it went down.



Those are the only two PMs that we have had between us since the start of the game. He never PMd me before that, nor after, despite having the mason channel at his disposal. What makes me think this is mafia mason more so than town is the fact that he wasn't trying to get a better read on me, he wasn't trying to plan anything with me, and he offered up a bare minimum of reads that look exactly like what I was posting at the time.

On January 22 2013 17:41 yamato77 wrote:
Now, I doubt this because it goes in line with what grush was doing in the thread, which was basically nothing. I don't know if I can reasonably expect a town grush to use the mason channel to his advantage when he is barely even playing the game to begin with. Also I don't know why a mafia team would give mason powers to Grush, someone who probably wouldn't use it, and I have a hard time thinking of a good reason a mafia Grush picked me to mason with over a "safer" pick like Mocsta, or even Axle.

I post this with the full knowledge that I am potentially outing a town mason, but I have no idea what to make of this situation, and perhaps town can make more sense of it. If mafia decides to shoot him because he's a mason, then at least we know his alignment for sure, and they used KP on a lurker instead of a more active townie. Grush's future mason choices knowing he is a mason ahead of time will not detract from its potential effectiveness if he is town, and if he is scum it's an advantage to the townies he masons with to be able to read him better from this little but if extra information.

On January 27 2013 11:06 annul wrote:
CAN SOMEONE GET ME A LIST OF ALL CLAIMED AND CONFIRMED MASONS THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF, PLEASE? this is particularly important.

On January 27 2013 11:15 annul wrote:
okay good, this is what i wanted to hear. if you have a red that is not chez or BKE, then the game is over.

On January 24 2013 16:16 yamato77 wrote:
This post of Oats, along with other things like his willingness to give out reads, his overall activity level, and his fairly unnecessary (if mafia) case on Gonzaw, makes me believe that he is town.

The fact that he's continued to pursue his read on Gonzaw today is quite telling to me. When he posted the case at night, I believed he would have done so with the idea that it was cheap town cred to do something like this at night when there was no lynch on the line. However, today I see that he's fairly invested in the idea that Gonzaw is mafia, something that I feel a lot of people are at the moment.

Basically, if you think Gonzaw is mafia, Oats is far likelier to be town.

*snip*


Vivax could still be mafia.

*snip*

Gonzaw is an interesting idea.

*snip*

He has a few of these types of posts in his filter, where he softdefends a player (often Vivax actually).

*snip*

While this is not a strong mafia tell, it is what I have managed to find in his filter after a short bit of diving. I am fairly confident in the possibility of him being mafia for these reasons, along with those that the rest of town has posted. I will resume my filter dive of him tomorrow, and either confirm my own bias or perhaps see something that might change my mind.

On January 24 2013 16:18 yamato77 wrote:
##Vote: Gonzaw
##Vote: Double Lynch

(not sure if my previous unvote counts for both so I'll reassure the vote)

On January 27 2013 11:28 annul wrote:


well, outside of "grush, Chez, Toad, gonzaw" i can confirm a fifth. whether my fifth is your #5/6 i dunno.

On January 27 2013 00:53 yamato77 wrote:
Notice how he was responding to me until I gave a summary if his filter and concluded he was mafia.

Fuba I think is fifth mafia. I'm going to make my case. Brb

On January 27 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote:
Debears, Adam, Vivax, Austin all not confirmed to me.

Oats/Axle might be mafia but I doubt it.

On January 27 2013 22:59 Mocsta wrote:

Vivax, sounds like you checked Yamato.

Considering your check would show role + alignment; I assume you got green check.
The question is, did you receive a role other than vanilla; is that where the hesitation to reveal originates from?

I only havr phone access today.
But i dont recall vivax stating he got a red check..

Hence i assume he got green and wants to pressure to determine if godfather.

Considering your check would show role + alignment; I assume you got green check.
The question is, did you receive a role other than vanilla; is that where the hesitation to reveal originates from?

As for yamato, all you do is talk about him, why else would I think it was someone else. As for green check, thats the only reason i can think of you requiring discussions prior to release.

i have no reason to believe you received a red check as you have shared nothing since your declaration.

There is no mention you got a red check, so stop bullshitting like you told us what your check is.

On January 27 2013 11:14 Vivax wrote:
Chez isn't dying today.

My check is.

On January 27 2013 23:39 Mocsta wrote:
Well Bugs thinks Axle is town to 99% degree.

I dont think Yamato is town to that degree, but based on a filter read on him, I thought his posts have driven town in a good direction. so yes, i think he is town (i just wouldnt say 99%.. i dont have that type of confidence in my reads in general)..

you on the other hand have been campaigning for him to be lynched all game, it wouldnt surprise me if you got a green check and said.. ohh.. he must be the godfather.

the actions you have taken all game support that you would make this move.

as for the second check, i doubt there was a framer involved. only because who you checked to me seems unpredictable.

If i haphazard a guess, I would think you cop checked Clarity/Adam. But thats the move I would do as a cop (and I havnt been a cop before)

Im guessing vivax got a grewn check and assumes godfathet.
Hence the being coy

Considering your check would show role + alignment; I assume you got green check.
The question is, did you receive a role other than vanilla; is that where the hesitation to reveal originates from?

On January 27 2013 23:48 Mocsta wrote:
(2) If you get a red check on yam, I would question the check.... i said prior your check appears unpredictable BUT.. if you indeed did cop check yamato, to me that is a predictable check (due to the constant interest you showed to him in each game cycle) so I think he would be a definite frame candidate.