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On January 25 2013 08:40 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 08:37 Vivax wrote:On January 25 2013 08:32 austinmcc wrote:On January 25 2013 08:30 Stutters695 wrote:
I've considered the possibility of a frame but it feels like an awful lot has to line up for that to be true. Vivax would have to have picked the same target as the farmer first of all which is possible but unlikely and we won't learn much of anything in addition to rushing a lynch. Why didn't gonzaw, as a mason, mason people? How would you know, as a townie, that gonzaw didn't mason people? Pretty sure he said he didn't mason anyone. If he masoned anyone, they would know he is mason, and still haven't said anything. This means he masoned two scum, and proceeded to lie about it. This question is ridiculous.
Imagine if Chezinu has been masoned by him.
You think someone like Chezinu would surely have told you by now?
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Yeah I saw what you meant, he said he didn't mason anybody.
If that's true then it's strange for him to waste the role like that.
Let's just see what happens I guess.
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The good news: With the jack dying it will be 2 KP instead of 3.
It surprises me how axle, austin and gonzaw manage to communicate so little while posting so much.
Guess it's a preference.
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The bad news: It won't surprise me if Toad doesn't protect me tonight and I get shot. Considering how he let sandro get shot and that he's likely mafia in my eyes.
At least I won't have the burden of being super tryhard in this town when the scum clearly has better and more active players.
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On January 25 2013 09:05 Stutters695 wrote:
Eh, there are quite a few situations where RBing you still wouldn't be the best play from a town perspective.
Also "At least I won't have the burden of being super tryhard in this town when the scum clearly has better and more active players;" no, don't do that
In this case I would think it's the best play.
Toad said there is another DT, since that DT is unknown and his check is supposed to "go off", he can just jail me and there will still be one DT working right? For now I'm the only 100% confirmed town (after the gonzaw flip)
But yeah, I apologize for the bitterness. This day was really tiring for me cause no one except the guy who was willing to get lynched got a read on gonzaw right, and I banged my head like a madman against this concrete wall of a town to let them see that gonzaw is scum without claiming.
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And it didn't work no matter how hard I tried.
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LOL Mocsta. If you are town you should go play tetris.
A bus, right.
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Why do you first post that I am likely to be bussing gonzaw and then post the reasons for why you think he is likely mafia?
Why don't you go analyze his slip regarding yamato and yamatos slips instead?
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Anyway, it's a pointless post. You try to make it look like you have some influence regarding gonzaw when you didn't do jack shit.
Townies did what they had to do, they voted gonzaw without trying hard to make reasons of their own up of why he's scum.
This way, when someone checks your filter and skims it ignoring the context, they will think you posted a good point about gonzaw (cause it is) and it makes you look less suspicious.
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On January 25 2013 09:33 Mocsta wrote:
I didnt say you were likely bussing anyone.
I said I havent ruled it out, thus you are not confirmed town to me.... its pretty clear
As for the slips; I dont base too much on those, its usually town who falsely slip due to not proof checking; whereas mafia are much more inclined to proof-read and re-read.
So I was looking at behaviour;and he was the one who threw out being framed, and he was the one who threw out a vig hit..very curious, and considering he never followed it up or set any questions to follow up with it; I can only interpret it as non-town motivated information designed as WIFOM.
This is bullshit.
This happens purely based on player skill. Town can slip, mafia can slip. Every slip has to be treated individually, that's why I'm not after annul any more for his earlier one, which was rather him looking nervous after a mistake.
As for the slip, it has nothing to do with proof-checking.
It has to do with gonzaw calling yamato a mafia mayor when he's arguing why he thinks yamato is town
And yamatos hostile behaviour towards the claim when he announced that he thought gonzaw is scum in the post just before.
And yamatos clearly different meta. But that's not the slip.
It's all in my filter.
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I'll give you an example of a "townslip" :
I thought gonzaw was a "Jack Mason" in the meaning that his currently selected power is mason.
That's why I started speculating about him being vig yesterday and mason today.
I wouldn't have said these things if I was scum, cause I would have known how things work.
If you think I "built them in" in the hope that someone would see this as a townslip, then you overestimate both me and this town.
That's why you have to look at the people who seemed to know how things worked on the mafia side. You will most likely find them in the moments after my claim.
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Toad has a responsibility now, he can't just bullshit around with his role tonight like he did with Sandro when scum struck town with 100 % precision.
Sandro himself said it's likely that town targets Bugs as well if they target him. Go value his opinion if you don't value mine.
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So, two out of FT/Toad/austin/Mocsta have to be town.
Just...who is it?
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On January 25 2013 18:05 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok I'll put this out here for possible vigs and medics
I'll flip a coin tonight. If it's heads I'll jail BKE. If it's tails I'll jail Vivax.
Just don't want vigs to shoot BKE when I'm jailing him and I don't want medics to waste protection on Vivax when there's about 0 chance he's getting shot because mafia will just RB him, assuming they have an RB like in 99% of every game on TL that isn't a pure vanilla game.
One interesting thing to remember for possible medics: I can medic a person only ONCE per game, so if you're not sure what to do just protect WBG. I'd still say he's likely to be shot and there's exactly 0% chance for me to change my mind and protect him tonight.
What the hell is this retarded post?
You announce you're going to offensively jail a scum and you think they will let him make the kill?
You're just setting yourself up to let me get shot.
It's sad I'm the first to post this.
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On January 25 2013 19:37 Toadesstern wrote:
I roleblock townies while protection so IF someone is going to waste protection on vivax let it at least be me in case I get tails that is.
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Tell me Toad, why do you want to jail BKE?
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On January 25 2013 20:56 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 20:37 Vivax wrote:
Tell me Toad, why do you want to jail BKE? read the OP before telling me I'm doing something bad. You can't block shots that are delived by mafia. Jailing a mafia reduces their number. Right now there are 3 mafais. If I jail BKE they lose 1 KP for this night. Sounds better than protection a townie and blocking him to me, doesn't it?
Don't worry Toad, I read the OP.
I just wanted to hear the argumentation for you to jail BKE precisely cause I wanted to know if you know that mafia don't have to pick someone to make the kill.
I'd have wanted it confirmed by a host afterwards in case you said that.
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I even read the OP so well that I've sent jcarlsoniv a PM lol.
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Toad, actually do me a favour and don't flip a coin, simply don't protect me.
If we have a medic, good, if we don't, good.
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