EPTOn January 24 2013 16:21 BroodKingEXE wrote:
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So in short BKE, right now after pointing you in the direction of Vivax, and one post of Gonzaw;
Based on the replys you gave, I assume the reads would be:
Vivax - Probably scum?
Gonzaw - null?
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Mocsta
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So in short BKE, right now after pointing you in the direction of Vivax, and one post of Gonzaw; Based on the replys you gave, I assume the reads would be: Vivax - Probably scum? Gonzaw - null? | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
If you have a problem with this, please argue for an alternate lynch. I'm pretty much going to ignore anyone who argues we should lynch Oats today, since I think it's beyond stupid to do so. Please let me know if you actually think Chez is town, and why. | ||
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Mocsta
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(2) With Chezinu is this guy your actual #1 read currently? Im asking cos everyone keeps saying he is hard to read, and I definitely feel the same after reading his filter, its very self-centric. Im just curious why you would prefer Chezinu over BKE? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I'd say the order of what to do would be: BKE > Chez > Annul > Oats when asked what to lynch first right now. Because again, I don't see a reason to lynch into Oats with the sitaution we're having. The fact that Chez was trying to not let me have the sheriff role is somewhat weak unless you think Austin is mafia as well. There's no point in trying to force an Austin sheriff instead of a Toad sheriff if you think Chez is mafia and both Toad+Austin are town from his PoV, unless he's trying to take stances for the sake of taking stances so that it looks like he's someone thinking about the game, but that'd be a vague assumption / confirmation bias imo. TL;DR: I could get behind both BKE and Chez and I see some advantages / downsides to both options. Oats looks like a retarded lynch for today because he'll either confirm himself as mafia or clear himself soon enough. Annul would be risky I guess. | ||
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Mocsta
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theory crafting. Vigilante You may, only once during the game, kill a player of your choice during the night. Considering its 1-shot, is it correct to assume there is no reason for the vig to not have claimed a kill last night? So are we running off the pretense for 3 KP, either Mafia Jack fired, or Town Jack fired or both and someone was protected? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 24 2013 17:37 Mocsta wrote: Toad theory crafting. Vigilante You may, only once during the game, kill a player of your choice during the night. Considering its 1-shot, is it correct to assume there is no reason for the vig to not have claimed a kill last night? So are we running off the pretense for 3 KP, either Mafia Jack fired, or Town Jack fired or both and someone was protected? In THEORY a townie 1-shot Vig (as in pretty much every vig on TL unless you're the Joker in BC's game :3 ) should claim his hit a couple of seconds prior to deadline. A claim post-deadline should be ignored. I'm saying in theory because that's what you're supposed to do. However, there's a lot of new people who don't do that because they either a) don't know it b) are afraid to get lynched for whatever reason if they happen to shoot a townie It could be someone doesn't know what he's supposed to do. I've seen people in nooby-games not claim being roleblocked as town. The kills are still highly weird so I'd doubt the mafia jack and don't care so much about wether it's a town vig or town Jack if the assumption is correct. Also there doesn't have to be a mafia-Jack to begin with. As Sandro mentioned, 5 mafias for a 22 player game is A LOT and the only reason we're looking so good right now is because we hit mafia d1, which shouldn't happen for mafia at all | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
It has up's and downs. You'll certainly get more information with the claim but also a lot more confusion and possibilities for mafias to screw with town. | ||
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annul
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Toadesstern
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Mocsta
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Toadesstern
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Mocsta
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Toadesstern
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I just assumed he didn't get shot because of that. | ||
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Mocsta
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Hes not doing himself any favours with that last post | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 24 2013 19:02 Toadesstern wrote: I forgot that you don't get a notification if you save someone by jailing because he's not targetable instead of being saved. I just assumed he didn't get shot because of that. Ooo. Didnt know that. So to confirm if medic saves someone from kp. I get a notificatiin saying i was saved. Gotcha | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 24 2013 19:04 Mocsta wrote: Ooo. Didnt know that. So to confirm if medic saves someone from kp. I get a notificatiin saying i was saved. Gotcha yeah medic ... You will know if you saved the person. The person will know if he was saved. ... whereas sheriff is sheriff ... An incarcerated player cannot be killed or targeted by any actions the night they are incarcerated. ... Anyways, got to go and will be back in a couple of hours. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 24 2013 10:52 DearestSnot wrote: ok, here's the thing. I hesitated earlier to use this argument, but I think it's strong. First suppose Oats is scum. Because he's a BG, we know that if he's alive and FT or Toad die then Oats is outted. Thus at any point in the game we can safely lynch Oats if FT or Toad die. We only have a problem if we lynch a multitude of townies while FT and Toad survive and get into a multiple scum lylo situation. I don't see that as being very likely. If Oats is scum, mafia have to sacrifice one of their own in order to kill Toad or FT. As long as FT/Toad are alive we have a massive advantage. We have a jailer who can stop mafia KP in two different ways and a triple voter who is almost certainly town. If Oats is town, and we lynch him, then tonight debears and FT or Toad will be dead, almost certainly. We basically simply shoot ourselves in the foot for no gain. Even if Oats is mafia, we don't gain much by lynching him. He's a BG, if scum want to win the game in lylo they have to at some point out Oats. They can't feasibly win at lylo with FT alive because FT has 3 votes. So, either Oats is mafia and we force mafia to out him in order to kill two of our best townies, or Oats is town and we leave FT and Toad protected until oats/debears get shot. The mafia team in either position is basically fucked as long as we can catch the remaining members. So why focus on Oats? I don't see the rationale behind this right now. Congratulations. You thought exactly what the mafia team thought, and you're stupid enough for it to work on you. Fuck me, bugs. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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