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On January 15 2013 08:58 Ruuch wrote: Just going with the flow I guess. I'd hate to be solely responsible for lynching a townie  ##Vote Promethelax That better?  You just lurked the ENTIRE game, and then made a vote going with the flow? I'm not buying it. | ||
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Ruuch, you need to tell us why that was not a scumclaim. | ||
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On January 15 2013 08:49 supersoft wrote: omg, the only one who convincingly abandoned his read on me was prom, because he really read my bureaucrazy-mafia. At least he told me so. If he flips scum (i dont believe it) he was coached. On January 15 2013 08:55 supersoft wrote: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL how late can someone come into this thread oh man... policylynch inc. On January 15 2013 08:59 supersoft wrote: ##Unvote: Lazermonkey ##Vote Promethelax NO! this is madness On January 15 2013 09:00 supersoft wrote: No last minute voteswitch to a random newb who gives me no information!!! 1) No way prome is flipping scum 2) Oh man Ruuch needs to be policy lynched! 3) Fuck that, I'm voting for the guy I think is town 4) DAT INFORMATION MAN | ||
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On January 15 2013 09:17 supersoft wrote: Hapahauli please shut the fuck up. You just lynched a fucking townie even though WBG and I were against that lynch. You should really REALLY reconsider your whole playstyle. Youre EXTREMELY useless despite of the fact you put a lot of time into this game spamming up the thread. WTF is your goal with your fucking useless questioning. Really. Shut up now. Do you think I am scum? After all i went through D1 ? If you're town, you're really one of the worst players here. Yes I think you're scum, since you just voted for someone you were CONVINCED was fucking town. | ||
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On January 15 2013 09:20 supersoft wrote: yeah go ahead. accuse me because i am so fucking much better than you at this game. You know why i knew with a 70% chance that he's town? Because i fucking care to read the thread. Did you even read proms appearance in the last 20 hours of this game? Oh man! "Yeah I read the thread and I totally thought that Prome was town!" "So I voted him over the guy I said I'd policy lynch for information!" Ok buddy. | ||
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On January 15 2013 09:24 supersoft wrote: Prom didn't play bad by the way. Don't you dare to blame him for his death! I know you're going to tell me that. But Lazer and Sloosh were MUCH better targets. I only let Prom die instead of ruuch, because Proms flip confirms my read on Sloosh, Lazer and some other players i consider as town now. Ruuch is a townie, too, no way he's coached to do that shit. And i wouldnt have the info. But that all sucks. I wanted to kill Lazer. No see that doesn't make any sense, because you wouldn't have posted this before the deadline: On January 15 2013 08:55 supersoft wrote: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL how late can someone come into this thread oh man... policylynch inc. | ||
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On January 15 2013 10:00 supersoft wrote: I just reread this. Prome gave me informations - Ruush woulnd't give me information... You're confusing everything... Do you even TRY to understand and think before you post? Oh that second quote was a butchered way of saying it. I'm saying you voted Prome (for information) over the guy you said you'd policy lynch. | ||
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MrZ is almost assuredly town. He has five pages of filter on Day 1. While activity is not alignment indicative for some players, it is very much so for MrZ. All the other stuff in his filter (easy town reads, etc) are just MrZ being MrZ. In fact he's acting more townie than what I'm used to seeing out of him. I just played two games with him and called his alignment early (and correctly) in both games. I'd like to think I have a good handle on his meta. | ||
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On January 15 2013 14:19 thrawn2112 wrote: hapa can I get your thoughts on grush and slOosh? Grush is always going to spontaneously come up with reads or make a sketchy vote regardless of his alignment. What's more telling about his alignment is his attitude. Marv in Hero Mini was talking about how grush tended to be more trolly and antagonistic as scum. Though marv was scum in that game, the read methodology was genuine. As for grush's attitude, I haven't seen any of his "scum traits" this game, but I just don't have enough of a sample-size to go on. I don't think he's someone one could reliably read 48 hours into the game. I'm mostly interested in seeing how he reacts to you and Jay's case against him. SloOsh is a slight-town read. I saw him play scum in Liquid City Mafia first hand, and he was super-lurky and sheepy for most of the game. He and I have been eye-to-eye on our suspicions so far, and he has an assertiveness about him this game that suggests he's town. Like grush though, I don't have enough posts from him to get an accurate read on him. | ||
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GL HF, and hopefully I'll see you on the other side of the deadline. Bolded Green = Strong town-read Green = slight-to-moderate town-read Black/Bolded = Null Red = Suspicious, needs to get looked into Bolded Red = Scum Thrawn - Thrawn has played two scum-games (Mafia LVIII, Mario Mini Mafia), in which he was lurky and really tried to avoid attention. In this game, his activity as well as his voting-shenanigans early in the game are strongly-indicative of a town thrawn. He's not trying to blend in, and his early-game actions match up very well with his recent town-games. MrZentor - He's generally very scared of posting and very self-conscious about his image when he's scum. He's the polar opposite this game. He's playing incredibly similar to his previous two town games (British Mini + Witchcraft Mini), and is even more active and fearless than in those games. WBG - A mix of gut-feeling and the fact that all his posts have made sense. I really liked his post breaking down the votes... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=43#854 ... and there are certain posts in his filter that look too attention-grabbing to be from a scum player, notably: On January 15 2013 07:42 wherebugsgo wrote: rofl I'm not going to even argue against this. You guys can lynch who you want. Also lol @ hopeless. sadly I can't tell whether you're scum trying to appear reasonable or whether you're simply town. Sigh. WBG is a damn-good scum player, so there's certainly a possibility that he is doing what he's doing as scum. I don't think that's the case though. Jaybrundage - Like MrZ, activity is very indicative of Jay's allignment. He's lurk-tastic as scum, but much more open and active as town. He passes the activity test for now, and all his behavior so far seems really typical of town Jay. I'll be worried if he stops posting, but it's unlikely he's scum based on his behavior so far. SloOsh - Probably a slight town-read on the basis that he's making sense and has been assertive about his reads. He did make the initial case on Promethelax on Day 1, but I agreed with it at the time and it didn't seem malicious. He's lurkier than I would like, but that's not a reason to lynch him. I'm interested to see his reads tonight. As WBG said, best to read him based on what cases he's pushing. SuperSoft - I'm torn on his pre-lynch actions. On the one hand, him voting for Promethelax looks really bad, and he seems more obsessed with shooting his SK read rather than the people he's convinced are scum. However, he's an arrogant asshole, and I can rationalize a lot of this from said town mentality. His attitude on Prome for example... On January 15 2013 09:30 supersoft wrote: guys i understand, you don't understand my playstyle. That's because I have a long term strategy for more than one cycle. Something most of you are not capable of because of limited brainactivity. I prefer to sacrificing a prawn in the middle to get it out of the my bishops line rather than a pawn at the side with no reward. ... if anyone can think like that as town, it's probably SuperSoft. I'm generally worried about him because he's supposedly a good player, and then proceeds to vote a town read, and he seems more obsessed with killing the SK than his actual scumreads. I don't see a reason why he's not calling a vigi shot on the guy he's convinced is scum (Lazer). grush - Is grush. I gave my thoughts earlier on him: On January 15 2013 22:29 Hapahauli wrote: Grush is always going to spontaneously come up with reads or make a sketchy vote regardless of his alignment. What's more telling about his alignment is his attitude. Marv in Hero Mini was talking about how grush tended to be more trolly and antagonistic as scum. Though marv was scum in that game, the read methodology was genuine. As for grush's attitude, I haven't seen any of his "scum traits" this game, but I just don't have enough of a sample-size to go on. I don't think he's someone one could reliably read 48 hours into the game. I'm mostly interested in seeing how he reacts to you and Jay's case against him. ... Iamperfection - Replacement gets a blank slate. Also pretty happy with this development, considering that iamp has a really easily distinguished scum/town meta. If you see him clam up and have difficulty posting frequently and openly, he's scum. If he's super-spammy, he's town. Xatalos - Also very lynch-baity. I have very conflicting reads on him. He's more active than I've seen him in British Mini Mafia. At the same time, I haven't been thrilled with his Day 1 contributions. I tried to look in more detail through his town meta to see if I could pin down why he could be scum this game, and I can't find anything super-convincing about his alignment one way or the other. I need to see some more reads from him before I make a decision. He's a pretty wishy-washy guy regardless of alignment, so be careful with this one. Lazer - I've been looking over his "scumslip" for some time now. First off, I don't think a slip like that is damning by any measure. Townies can butcher wordings and do stupid things all the time. It's a really really bad idea to lynch him only based on his "slip." That being said, I'm leaning scum on him for the behavioral oddities in his defense (as thrawn pointed out): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=45#896 And given how Supersoft worded his "hey scumteam, shoot Hapa" post, it's unlikely that Lazer simply misread things. I do think it's POSSIBLE though, so handle with care. Hopeless - His pre-lynch are extremely scummy. Hopeless shows a shocking level of lynch-apathy that is completely at odds with his town mentality. He votes lazermonkey here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=28#552 This is individually fine and dandy, but then there's this post on Promethelax: On January 15 2013 02:47 Hopeless1der wrote: He has asked a lot of questions and generally follows them up. They don't appear to be useless and he seems to have read British Empire, which he didn't play in. He's going out of his way to interact with people, like asking you (sloosh) about xat's play in Paranoia, which again he didn't play in or me about my "policy", as discussed in an obs qt. In short, he's active and paying attention, pursuing information from outside of this game where possible. His "swapping" his stance on Xata was deliberate and pre-meditated to me, as evidenced by his post here: Further to the above, I don't recall him ever taking a proper stance on Xatalos until this post. His unvote of SS is sketchy, especially what Hapa pointed out, with the unvote reasons having nothing to do with the initial voting reasons. His case against Lazer, and followup to that are much stronger than his push against SS, which makes me wonder if his heart was ever in pushing SS to begin with. I'm leaning town on Prom. If he gives a town-read on Prome, what is even the point of the bolded section? He doesn't attempt to discredit that viewpoint or even qualify it. He piles suspicion on Prome then gives an arbitrary town-read on him at the end of it. After that, he doesn't attempt to push lazer at all. When he does, he questions Lazer about his Jay read. On January 15 2013 02:55 Hopeless1der wrote: Thrawn, that is very demotivating. You're hurting my feelings. The last time that type of post happened, grush shot me in the back. Please stahp. @Lazer, I don't think your case on jay shows how what he's done is scummy. Show me. On January 15 2013 03:16 Hopeless1der wrote: Okay, then go figure out how to convince me jay is scum, because at the moment, I am not convinced. He wants Lazer to convince him that Jay is scum, rather than pushing through the Lazer lynch. Then he stops pushing Lazer and begins pushing MrZ: On January 15 2013 07:26 Hopeless1der wrote: Examples please. I disagree with your statement. On January 15 2013 07:30 Hopeless1der wrote: Im poking Zentor for misrepresenting wbg's filter. On January 15 2013 07:33 Hopeless1der wrote: If I can show him to be scummier than Prom, then yes, that would be rather useful. ZENTOR, HOP TO IT Then FINALLY, when he's confronted for not pushing the Lazer lynch: On January 15 2013 07:41 Hopeless1der wrote: KILL LAZER MONKEY SO SCUM OMG There, I've hard defended every other player in the game. Gratz He replies sarcastically and is annoyed by the fact that he should be posting a scumread. So Hopeless's play can be characterized by: 1) Not pushing his scumreads 2) Being remarkably unconcerned that his town read is getting lynched (and soft-pushing the Prome lynch) 3) Flinging shit at OTHER players rather than being concerned with the lynch (namely MrZ) Most importantly, make sure you look at Hopeless's town games. Page 3 of his filter in Mario Mini Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&user=123725¤tpage=3 On November 15 2012 10:47 Hopeless1der wrote: Switch back to debears plox On November 15 2012 10:52 Hopeless1der wrote: ZB, how is what debears doing townie at all? He's trying to lynch me for inactivity when I said I was on my way home from work. He's had like 10 desperate posts trying to push me for no other reason than 'he's not here' - This is almost half his entire case on me. Lynch debears. On November 15 2012 10:54 Hopeless1der wrote: KILL DEBEARS GODDAMNIT On November 15 2012 10:57 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm voting scum. Screw you all. Hell the entirety of his ChronoTrigger mafia play (as town) is night and day compared to his play this game. I need not pick specific examples, just read it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&user=123725 | ||
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Lynch scum first, make associations later. @ SloOsh Where were you during the night cycle? You didn't post at all, despite having relatively little suspicion on you and being a vet. @ iamp Heya! Are you all caught up yet? Thoughts on Hopeless and/or other scumreads would be sweet. | ||
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On January 16 2013 12:16 slOosh wrote: I was taking time off thread to reread carefully given the flip, and didn't have much confidence in my reads to see them worth dumping. I've had some hesitation in straight up building a case against scum WBG, given his reputation, and wanted to do the hopeless thing beforehand. With how I'm approaching my WBG case, do you disagree with my interpretation of things? Do you agree with his interpretation of things? Your WBG suspicions are predicated on the following: 1) WBG is wishy-washy. I agree with this, but is WBG wishy-washy as scum? I always took him as a very aggressive character in his scum-games. 2) WBG's attitude on Hopeless is scummy. However, making associations is absurd before Hopeless actually flips. What I'm most concerned with though is your sudden burst of "WBG is scum, here are all the reasons why!" You had all night to push him and question him, yet you did not do so. Instead, the second WBG votes you, you start flinging posts left and right about how he's your top scumread and how he's so scummy. The timing of all of this is incredibly convenient. | ||
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Between Hopeless and WBG, who do you think is more likely to flip scum? | ||
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Hapa especially had his vote in scummy places. Assuming of course that you are town, he swapped off of his scumread onto an unknown for policy like reasons. Super was the one who had to put his foot down and say fuck you all, we kill the guy we were going to kill. I don't think Ruuch was scum, so swapping off Prom (town) onto Ruuch (I think town) looks really scummy to me. Hapa fits that bill. How could he assume that someone is town? It makes no sense from a town perspective. He can't be the cop with a green check on iamp, since the cop is dead. Can't be mason buddies with iamp, since this happened: On January 15 2013 08:58 Hopeless1der wrote: Better than Prom ##Unvote: Lazermonkey ##Vote: Ruuch Solution? Hopeless is scum. He went from: a) Voting Ruuch b) Unsubstantiated town read on Iamp: I'm more inclined to believe bugs and Ruuch(Lamp) are town, so right now my choices to vote are Lazer and SlOosh, and possibly Hapa for no other reason than his vote was in scummy places. c) Assumes that iamp is town. @ Iamp On January 17 2013 00:29 iamperfection wrote: @ hapa Why do you have a strong town read on Mr. Zentor based on meta when he said before the game he was changing his style. When i read his filter i dont see many town like traits. He shirked his vote responsibility when he voted prom. He hasnt pushed many scum reads at all, He keeps screaming meta as his defense when he said before the game he would change it ... MrZ is lurk-tastic as scum. He is not lurk-tastic here. I got a very strong town feel for MrZ in the early game when he was driving a majority of the discussion. In his scum games, he very deliberately tries to avoid the spotlight. His early-game play is the opposite of that mentality. Furthermore, everything you mentioned above is the exact same thing he's done in his last two town games (Witchcraft + British Mini), both of which I was in. This is the exact same pattern, and I strongly believe he's town. As for him "wanting to change his meta," he was more active in the early game and generated more discussion than in any game I've been in with him. That's townie to me. | ||
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On January 17 2013 03:17 wherebugsgo wrote: I'd agree with that too, given that both thrawn and zentor simply swapped their votes over to slOosh as soon as I did. I think both slOosh and Hopeless are good lynches for today. If they are both scum, and it's certainly possible, who does that leave us with for a third scum? Grush? If one of them is not? My first concern is seeing Hopeless hang, and then we'll find the rest. SloOsh could be scum based on how he handled himself last night (flinging shit at you, willingness to compromise on Hopeless), but I'm not convinced. As for a 3rd, I have no idea. I was originally thinking Lazer, but given how hard Hopeless decided to push him, I don't think that's realistic. | ||
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