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He fits his town meta very well for D1, but I don't like him lurking during N1 and the beginning part of D2. He's also just sheeping Sloosh now  I still think he's town though, since he did some similar things (lurking and sheeping) as town, especially in Paranoia Mafia. He's just bending my faith slightly now. | ||
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On January 17 2013 02:09 MrZentor wrote: Xatalos, the people in that game were less experienced than the ones in this game, making them much easier to read. Aren't more experienced players actually easier to read with their meta? | ||
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On January 17 2013 02:13 thrawn2112 wrote: what about stuff other than meta? MrZentor is really a special case, since he always plays in a weird and slightly trollish way. It's proven time and time again that it's no use judging him by normal standards. I tried to do that in Paranoia Mafia and failed... It's better to read him with mostly meta. If this wasn't MrZentor, I'd be quite worried about him at this point. Not to the same extent as someone like WBG or Jay though. | ||
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Please elaborate :/ | ||
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On January 17 2013 02:21 thrawn2112 wrote: that's too simplistic of an approach. can you actually tell me what you think of the specific things he's done this game? I haven't actually read his filter that much since I have a townread on him. But let's see: - He defends several players (mostly Jay and Kush) with conviction, backed up with reasoning and pointing out mistakes in arguments against them - this is definitely townish play, since why would scum MrZentor go so far to put his neck on the line? Even if we consider these players to be scum, it would be much more natural for scum MrZentor to ignore these attention-grabbing situations or to confuse the attention away from them somehow - He asks a lot of questions and argues about several topics - at least he's very active and engaged in the thread, which is good, but he doesn't really push any scumreads, which isn't good - He posts some "lists" with his suspicions without taking any action based on them, which is worrying to say the least - He sheeps to vote Prom even though Prom is never included in his suspicions... in fact he never calls Prom scum.... then he pretty much defends himself with meta and argues about off-topic stuff until Prom is lynched... then he disappears for two days from the thread.... ugh, this is all scummy - He sheeps again the major wagon on Sloosh without giving even a shred of reasoning... why, oh why Looking at this without meta, it does look pretty bad, but you have to consider that he played very similarly in Paranoia Mafia (and was town of course). He sheeped all his votes there and (almost) never gave proper reasoning. So you just can't use normal standards with him or you fail miserably. | ||
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On January 17 2013 03:17 wherebugsgo wrote: I'd agree with that too, given that both thrawn and zentor simply swapped their votes over to slOosh as soon as I did. I think both slOosh and Hopeless are good lynches for today. If they are both scum, and it's certainly possible, who does that leave us with for a third scum? Grush? If one of them is not? Do you actually even care about who gets lynched? And why are you using connections before any flips? And... why did you ignore my last post for you? Seriously, there's just too much wrong with you this game. | ||
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On January 17 2013 03:26 Hapahauli wrote: My first concern is seeing Hopeless hang, and then we'll find the rest. SloOsh could be scum based on how he handled himself last night (flinging shit at you, willingness to compromise on Hopeless), but I'm not convinced. As for a 3rd, I have no idea. I was originally thinking Lazer, but given how hard Hopeless decided to push him, I don't think that's realistic. Aren't you in the slightest suspicious of either WBG or Jay? Seriously, why? | ||
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On January 17 2013 03:49 Hapahauli wrote: See the above post + my night-post for more info. What do you think about my case on Hopeless? So WBG gets a pass for being active? Did you even read my case? Where do you see him being "concerned" really? He was pretty unbelievably indifferent about the D1 lynch, and now he's open to several different lynches depending on how the thread goes... I think the case on Hopeless is decent, but most of those points - indifference about the lynch, weak attitude to pushing scumreads, flinging suspicion at people without pushing them - apply to WBG as well (especially during D1). Actually even MrZentor has done similar stuff - and he's most likely town. I do think that Hopeless has done scummy things but he's not our best lynch. | ||
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On January 17 2013 04:30 wherebugsgo wrote: Congratulations, you just proved that indifference and uncertainty is not always scum indicative. Now please pay attention to the thread and take off your fucking confirmation bias goggles. Not always, but more often than not. Why would town be indifferent towards their win condition (lynching scum)? Scum, on the other hand, would be playing towards their win condition by leaving their options open. MrZentor is a special case and doesn't count. You have no such excuse. | ||
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On January 17 2013 04:47 slOosh wrote: My point is that trying to figure out the whole scum team when we don't even have concrete OP information on the number of scum is a futile exercise, of which more harm will come than good. Agreed. | ||
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On January 17 2013 05:06 wherebugsgo wrote: if there are 4 scum then how is that a bad assumption? You kill 3 and then the game's not over, clearly there's someone left to kill. What a stupid argument, slOosh is just saying this to throw dirt on legitimate and well-reasoned assumptions on the setup. Indeed, he has nothing else to say, because he's scum. lol wut I'm not indifferent to lynching scum, I'm indifferent to having to talk repeatedly to people like you. If you're not indifferent, how do you explain your constant sheeping of the thread and switching your votes for the pettiest of reasons? | ||
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On January 17 2013 05:18 jaybrundage wrote: So lets lynch SlOosh then he seems more likely to be scum then hopeless. Also it doesn't make sense for him to try to push hopeless if they are indeed scum. He could of easily put a vote on Lazermonkey instead for instance. Sloosh has been wishy washy and hesitant to push his scum reads. The reasoning being that as scum he doesnt want to straight up push WBG unless he can get some support for it. He completly backs down from it. Also Grush where the hell have you been. You have been lurky and scummy all game. You never posted reasons for your vote. And you show a disinterest in helping town. I would also be willing to lynch grush today over hopeless. It seemed that he dropped of peoples radar. By the way, where do you stand on me right now? Still scum? You had your vote on me for the whole D1 but haven't talked much at all about me ever since. Now it looks like you're just going for Sloosh, grush or Hopeless. Not that I disagree with those players being scummy, but what caused this change of heart? | ||
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On January 17 2013 05:42 jaybrundage wrote: I'm going for players I think are scum that can get lynched today. My read on you is null/slightly scummy. But there are people I think have a better chance to flip scum then you so i am pursuing my reads on them. Also I don't think we should lynch hopeless if sloosh is scum. I dont see hopeless flipping scum too. Hmmm. Your recent posts have been townish so maybe you actually are town... What's your stance on WBG? | ||
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On January 17 2013 05:53 jaybrundage wrote: WBG i think is town. Both Sloosh being scum and WBG being scum makes no damn sense. Also as i said earlier scum WBG would have no need to defend me. He would just use me as early mislynch foder. Day 1 is always tricky for me. But i find i can pick up more steam as the game goes along. Are you basing your townread of WBG on Sloosh flipping scum? What if Sloosh is town? Is WBG still town then? And it's not that unlikely for scum WBG to say something in your defense... Almost everyone seemed to think of you as just a lynchbait at the time. | ||
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On January 17 2013 05:58 Lazermonkey wrote: Meeeh, I really think Hopeless should be defending himself, but since he seem to suck at that... I feel like alot of your points, maybe even all of them, could be explained by the fact that Hopeless is bad. And do you see any scum motivation in scum motivation in saying that a player is suspicious for voting the same person that you are voting yourself? This just seems retarded as both alignments. Also, Hopeless feels like he bases alot of his reads on OMGUS(whoever votes him, he votes etc) Also, I don't exactly see that he went from vote ruush to Iamp is town without explaination as scummy. ruush was a policy lynch and nothing else, and Iamp is clearly looking better than ruush to say the least. You have some good points. Although this doesn't really explain his apathy and sheeping... | ||
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On January 18 2013 02:25 wherebugsgo wrote: also xatalos is still abstaining, which is hilarious. You're not going to lynch me today, or probably ever. Pick between slOosh and Hopeless. It really seems like Sloosh vs Hopeless at this point, yeah... That wasn't (at least completely) the case before I went to sleep + work, but now it's pretty much a waste to vote anyone else. Considering Sloosh / Hopeless: I think one of them is likely scum, but it's very unlikely that they are both scum. Sloosh lurked all of N1 and only returned to the thread during D2 after he was pressured to give his opinions... And lately he's just talked about lurkers or how this lynch might affect people's scumreads. Hopeless looks worse though with his self-proclaimed townread on Prom (while at the same time soft pushing him and really not caring about him getting lynched), clear apathy towards scumhunting, switching his reads around very easily depending on the thread, inactivity... The list just goes on and on. Hopeless should be the one to get lynched. ##Unvote wherebugsgo ##Vote Hopeless1der | ||
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On January 18 2013 06:57 thrawn2112 wrote: how his sloosh promising to share his reads any better than hopeless not being around? and hopeless has more than done his part as far as sharing his reads go. sloosh came in while I was pushing LM and said nothing relevant to our conversation. as you are doing. sloosh may have posted more recently but there was nothing constructive in his post what do you think about lazermonkey? My read on Lazermonkey hasn't really changed much since I posted this: On January 15 2013 05:31 Xatalos wrote: I read the beginning of Kush's filter in Witchcraft. I have to agree that Kush isn't afraid of attention as scum either. BUT there's a big difference: in Witchcraft Kush is pretty reasonable and doesn't actually play anti-town at all. At least I'm not seeing it. Here he begins the game by grabbing negative attention and setting himself up for a lynch (or at least losing sympathy points). He also keeps doing anti-town/scummy things, while in Witchcraft he keeps discussing reasonably and doesn't slip anything scummy-looking. Or can you show me wrong? I agree with Lazermonkey on Jay and Thrawn. I disagree on supersoft and Hopeless. You can read what I think of them in my filter. What I meant is that he doesn't freak out, OMGUS, dodge questions or anything like that. He is calm and makes sense even in such a bad spot. The discussion has focused on his "scumslips" today, but focusing on that is pretty stupid. The first one wasn't even anything scummy (just some stupid confusion) and the second one ("I haven't been posting because I'm not in danger of being lynched") looks pretty bad on the surface, but WHY would scum say something like that? It's just too stupid, and scum would think more carefully before saying something to bring unnecessary suspicion to themselves. | ||
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On January 18 2013 07:08 thrawn2112 wrote: you don't have a real read on him do you? Wut...? I've had him as townread since early D1. Have you even actually taken a look at my filter? | ||
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