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Looks funny And no, I won't hypno-Toad in a 6 player game | ||
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Please let me be the Lyncher who has to lynch WBG Please let me be the Lyncher who has to lynch WBG Please let me be the Lyncher who has to lynch WBG | ||
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On January 07 2013 22:59 Palmar wrote: Yes, the yakuza's sacrifice counts as 1 KP delivered unto himself. (Fun fact, if there was a watcher in the game watching the Yak, he'd see the Yak visiting up to three targets. The night kill, the sacrifice target, and himself). oh wait just to get this right, so he dies because he takes 2 KP while only being protected from 1? 1 protection from medic, 1 KP from selfdestruction, 1KP from PGO? So if medic targets mafia and mafia sacs himself to turn medic into mafia it's pretty much insta-gg because mafia gets protection from selfdestruction and medic ends up being mafia? 2nd question What happens with Jester / Lyncher if he / his target gets killed during night? Wayne with Jester because he's just dead without winning the game (correct?) but what about the Lyncher? Let's say I am the Lyncher, I have to lynch WBG and that useless scrub kills himself at night by targeting the PGO. I don't win the game because I didn't lynch him but am I still in the game? | ||
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On January 08 2013 00:24 ghost_403 wrote: Not quite insta-gg, but pretty close. Yes, the medic can stop the yak from dying as a result of his night actions. I'll defer to Palmar, but it doesn't sound to me like he met his wincon D: The game must go on! Also, there is a way that everyone in the game can win at the same time. Never gonna happen, but if it does, I'll be damn impressed. well yeah, obviously in both scenarios both the jester or the lyncher have not met their wincon and therefore lost but will the Lyncher be removed from the game if that happens or does he get to be Kingmaker (I despise those Kingmaker scenarios). And about the first.. well yeah not quite. Mafia can still lose due to being to slow but other than that they're pretty much unstoppable :p | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:36 Dandel Ion wrote: Clearly, this is not something a townie would do. damn right you are, or are you? who knows! I'm a mystery! | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:03 Dandel Ion wrote: In all seriousness, how we need to proceed: 1) No policy lynches There's a Jester in the game. If we establish a policy, he'll just intentionally not follow it. So establishing lynch policies is useless. 2) Don't rush shit Don't vote uselessly. Don't hammer random people. 3) Don't massclaim It helps nobody. 4) No-lynch on day 1. Let the yak clear out the playing field in the night. No point in lynching somebody only to have lyncher/jester win out of nowhere. Sure, a scum lynch on day 1 would be sweet, but let's stay real. which means lynching him is going to help me and everyone else unless he's the target of the lyncher. Obviously we could go try and scumhunt for a mafia d1 lynch but I don't think it's going to happen simply because we've got 3 anti-town forces in a 6 man set-up. If we lynch mafia d1 the lyncher and the jester have lost the game so they'll do whatever it takes to not let that happen. Not to mention that scum is probably going to play really different this game due to the set-up which makes scumhunting almost impossible, so everyone should try and role-hunt for their own sake. We don't want to help other people to win the game after all. #BELIEVE Let's kill Dandel Let's be frank here, the Lyncher basicly wants to not look like a Lyncher and I do think Dandel is trying to not look like a Lyncher/Jester here. Let's get rid of him everyone. | ||
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 Other than that, feel free to pm me! | ||
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On January 08 2013 19:01 Clarity_nl wrote: Toad as dandel himself has said, if we vote someone and he actually gets lynched that means he's not scum. Scum cannot get lynched today. I know, that's why I said let's lynch him. I don't think he's scum, I think he's the lyncher. | ||
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On January 08 2013 19:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Your argument for him not being a jester should also apply to him not being a lyncher, he started out the thread by saying he doesn't want a lynch today. Also if you believe him to be the lyncher then a no-lynch would benefit you still, unless you're not town ofcourse. I mean, I guess I see what you're doing, you think you might be able to figure out who's scum from the voting today, but from what I've read about the yakuza role it is generally proper play to sacrifice yourself n1. nah. It is proper play to not look like a lyncher as lyncher so him not looking like a lyncher on the first post (not really a hard one to do...) really is indicative of him being one. I don't think he'd post that carefree as jester. That's the deal. | ||
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Jester is incredibly hard to do if you know there's a jester in the game. Been there, already played it. His post is not a jester post. | ||
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Lynching the Lyncher = 1 player less that can make me lose by accidently lynching another guy. You should want that no matter of alignment as well, shouldn't you? | ||
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On January 08 2013 22:33 JieXian wrote: It could very well be nothing but I've got a feeling there's a high possibility that lyncher is among the 2 people who were around when the game just started and he PMed Palmar something cue MK : dang dang dang I actually asked Palmar that question pregame and while I can not and will not talk about wether or not I pm'ed him this again to get an answer (I did totally not you guyses! :p) it might just be that he saw me question from over here: On January 08 2013 00:07 Toadesstern wrote: [...] 2nd question What happens with Jester / Lyncher if he / his target gets killed during night? Wayne with Jester because he's just dead without winning the game (correct?) but what about the Lyncher? Let's say I am the Lyncher, I have to lynch WBG and that useless scrub kills himself at night by targeting the PGO. I don't win the game because I didn't lynch him but am I still in the game? Still want to lynch the fuck out of Dandel. Way to serious that dude. This should be played like irc-mafia with insta lynches in 20 seconds. Like he wants to be look serious for some reason. Still don't think he's the Jester, still don't think he's mafia. Only option left is Lyncher. Lynch the Lyncher and everyone's happy! | ||
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You already "figured it out" or you already figured it out? The first one being your reads which I honestly speaking don't give a crap about, the 2nd one being hard facts. | ||
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better? We need 4 people to lynch you, right? | ||
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well of course. You've got to play jester like that... | ||
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"Dandel is bad, don't listen to him" | ||
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I want an honest answer. | ||
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On January 08 2013 23:39 Dandel Ion wrote: Toad, y u only list town or mafia? Weren't you like, pretending to be super-sure I'm the lyncher? shush now Mr. useless | ||
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And I'm pretty sure you like me :p | ||
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dude you so are the lyncher. | ||
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On January 09 2013 00:23 Dandel Ion wrote: Yeah, you're so smart. How'd you figure that out? you're not town, I'm not town, I've got a Yak claim. EASY | ||
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What's wrong with you guys. | ||
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Codename #winwithjester | ||
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On January 09 2013 01:05 Dandel Ion wrote: Any role left that I'm not? Didn't think so. Listen to him, he's right. I claim everything. shush Yak. | ||
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##vote no-lynch | ||
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Screw you. I'll shoot you all. | ||
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noone willing to talk? | ||
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On January 09 2013 23:18 Dandel Ion wrote: I don't think you read the OP bro. ? Did I miss something? :p | ||
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I'm actually not trolling right now. | ||
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On January 09 2013 23:52 Dandel Ion wrote: Do you even WIFOM? Of course I do. I'm the PGO according to you. I'm the Jester according to IamP. I am somewhat of a townie according to clarity (I only know he disagrees with IamP) Jien lied to me in pm's and tells me he won't trust ME, LOL I can be whatever you want me to be honey. | ||
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On January 10 2013 00:03 Dandel Ion wrote: iamp is just a carebear. He wouldn't need to be concerned if he thought about it. yeah, because I'm not mafia, right? :p | ||
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Original Message From Dienosore: Dandel is bad, don't listen to him | ||
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On January 10 2013 00:23 Clarity_nl wrote: I mean, do you believe you still have it all figured out? that's the sadest question I ever saw and I believe the answer is going to be even more sad. | ||
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PM me or you're dead gonzaw. | ||
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On January 10 2013 01:12 gonzaw wrote: I just woke up ....ehmm...so yeah I'm going back and reread the OP, this game is not making much sense to me Also I have a feeling Dieno being AFK kind of makes it seem I'm scum/jester, which is not cool. can't be. I'm scum/jester/lyncher according to people. | ||
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On January 14 2013 00:11 Clarity_nl wrote: I am the lyncher, my target was jiexian so I am now town aligned. Town has a majority this cycle. Discuss. lies | ||
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On January 14 2013 00:54 Clarity_nl wrote: Interesting. Which part. The fact that I am the lyncher or the fact that jiexian was my target? both and want me to show some pm's you wrote me? | ||
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Original Message From Clarity_nl: It's hard, you know. I think regardless you are anti-town. Here's an interesting thought to chew on, if you are scum and you have a partner you could win right now. So since you haven't done that it is unlikely. those 3 pms makes no sense if he's the lyncher. | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:06 Clarity_nl wrote: You can't tell what role I am at this point? If you think you know I'm not the lyncher, and you know your own role then you should have been able to make an estimated guess. I guess the jester has no need to figure things out though, which is where you failed. oh I know your role, ever since n1. I can't tell you because I don'T want to tell you and more importantly I don't want to explain :p | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:10 Clarity_nl wrote: What happened to "can't tell" nothing, see: On January 14 2013 01:08 Toadesstern wrote: oh I know your role, ever since n1. I can't tell you because I don'T want to tell you and more importantly I don't want to explain :p and I can't believe how you guys aren't able to figure out a single role correctly... | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:18 Dandel Ion wrote: i don't care about your win. i care about mine. well then get the fuck off iamP | ||
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You're making me nervous | ||
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You're losing the game right now. Reason enough? | ||
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yak'ed clarity n2. shot gonzaw n3. shot JieXiann n4 btw | ||
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I tried everything I could to help you but you just can't figure out a single's guy role in a 5 person game, it's hilarious. | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:46 Toadesstern wrote: this is on you Dandel and Gonzaw... I tried everything I could to help you but you just can't figure out a single's guy role in a 5 person game, it's hilarious. UNVOTE RIGHT NAO BEFORE IAMP GET'S IN THE THREAD | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:49 gonzaw wrote: Then how.come you+claruty arent hammering thebjester right now? You converted clarity in the end....and jiexian still helpedbyou after you converted someone.else for some reqson go fucking read the thread dude. Clarity was shrinked n2 | ||
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just in case gonzaw's vote won't count due to the missing # | ||
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On January 14 2013 01:59 Clarity_nl wrote: Fuck I had such a good start. Got shrinked and medic'd night one and prevented myself from being turned scum. I got EVERYONE to believe I was medic for a while. Too many cycles, so hard to win I didn't think you're the medic. I knew jieXiann was medic all along. He helped me after all | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:01 Clarity_nl wrote: Then why did he believe me over you during night one, or did he protect you n1? oh let me reprhrase: I knew it once n1 was over. I was PRETTY certain you'd forward my pm's to people so I posted this: I'm the fucking Yak. to make sure the shrink knows I'm not going to convert you.I pm'ed you, iamP and Dandel the same thing to see what's going to happen. I said I'm only lying 33% because I was really targeting one of you and I sure as hell shot you. I did not convert someone. So here's the plan. I don't know wether you want to help me but I'm pretty sure a medi would not risk targeting someone else and instead just targets himself. So I'll be shooting someone who's not you and I'll be converting someone who's not you. If you are the medic you protect me I'll survive and I'll convert you the next time leading to a 3mafia vs 3 other people scenario. Shot gonzaw n3 on purpose because I thought he's the PGO and wanted to find the PGO before I kill people. Again, only thing I had to do to win this is not shoot the fucking lynchers target... it's hilarious. | ||
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HOLY CRAP CLARITY. WHAT ARE YOU DOING | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:05 Clarity_nl wrote: I wonder if this setup is improved by adding one more town role so that a no lynch isnt forced, giving scum infinite time to figure stuff out. the 5 player situation is already crucial like you just saw... | ||
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Why did you claim to be a VT when you aren't clarity... | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Toad is mad because I took a chance while playing to my wincondition? I had to get gonzaw lynched, I knew there was a really big chance he was pgo so he wasn't gonna get nightkilled. THIS WAS MY ONLY CHANCE WHY YOU RAGIN AT ME because I had this won if everyone would have played accordingly to their wincons given knowledge of roles. So it's just that people didn't know what was going on and lynched randomly... which is frustrating. | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:13 Clarity_nl wrote: I knew what was going on, you can ask palmar, I sent him the list of every role during n1 or n2 (don't remember) I played to my wincon all the way you had me down as mafia? | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:15 Dandel Ion wrote: I played to my wincon. Sadly, shrink wincon is pretty much dependant on winning with town. Makes it hard. Jie played most anti-wincon imo. proteced you converting SOMEBODY ELSE, then STILL protected you shooting the PGO. Like, wat. I also stopped you convert, so I'm actually good. Even tho it was for wrong reasons. well he didn't know I can only convert once a game. And I actually didn't know either or I would have converted him n2 instead of clarity... It was like being hit by a truck when Palmar told me I can't Yak anymore The point is: Noone was able to win this with knowledge of what was going on anymore besides me and the jester won because town fucked up royally | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:17 syllogism wrote: Toad claiming mafia and his night actions? it wasn't actually new. I already claimed that days ago in pm's to him and he kept on saying "lol you're lying, come back to me when you tell the truth and we might talk. It's just your usual hypno-Toad trying to make you the most important person in the game when you're not".... | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:19 Clarity_nl wrote: Town fucks up or they don't. Isn't that every mafia game in existence? yeah, that's my point. If town had tried to figure out people's roles they would have realized they already lost the game and I thought it would be going into forced night because with 5 people alive: 2 people who want to lynch mafia 1 guy who wants to lynch jester 1 guy who wants to lynch pgo 1 guy who wants to NL a lynch should just not have happened... | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:28 gonzaw wrote: Iamp yak toad jester. As soon as toad claims antitown in thread iamp contacts him and says hes yak then iamp does every action and toad is his proxy tyat way just in case something goes wrong iamp is "safe" somehow also toad could convince ahrink and medic to wastej their abilities on him(jester) while iamp is fre to jill anybody he wants that's A LOT of ifs and it makes no sense. Never occured to you that I knew I already won if everyone plays to their wincon (with full information, which wasn't given, I know) and I just had to make sure everyone gets full knowledge to make everyone realize what's going on? | ||
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There really was no reason to assume I'm the jester. Should have just told everyone I'm going to shoot JieXiann prior to deadline instead of just iamP but with my luck this game I was too scared to actually hit the lynchers target to do that... Probably still would not have been enough to make people realize I'm mafia... | ||
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lylo was like 2 turns away. The only way for me to win was PGO vs Mafia vs Jester Jester & Lyncher count towards "town" in mafias wincon | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:34 gonzaw wrote: Can we all just blame the loss on jiexian?  I don't think he played bad actually. The only thing he did wrong was not realize that I can only yak once. And even without that it would have turned out the same way. I had gonzaw down as PGO like 95% and only shot him on n3 to make it a 100% call. So even had he not protected me I'd still have shot him because medic can't protect himself... | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:36 Clarity_nl wrote: Nah toad you also coulda won (in this setup) with Mafia + lyncher + pgo (since pgo is lyncher target) Did you get my pm right before the game ended? yeah I could have. But there's no way to figure out the lynchers target by hard facts. So that would have been an incredible betting game. Joining forces with the Jester was possible no matter what and as already said, a mathematically won game... No I didn't get that pm in time. Wouldn't have mattered though, because it was on gonzaw and Dandel to unvote the jester and not on you. Also I don't think I would have trusted you. Again no way to confirm your target and if I bring you into lylo you could just as well be lying and it's PGO + VT vs mafia whereas lylo with jester is a win for me and jester, so no reason for him to stab me in the back either. | ||
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most importan one: Just to make this clear for postgame (yes I'm using you as a blog-dumpster ): I did not intend to be an ass towards anyone, especially not towards JieXiann but I have to to somehow be able to win this I really did not know that I can only convert one person per game and have to make JieXiann think that he'll be shrinked tomorrow to make sure he protects me although I can't help him to win anymore Oh and I've got to shoot some asses and not hit the PGO... that was after I realized I didn't read the OP either. So sorry for that one but had to play to my wincon | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:42 Clarity_nl wrote: That's a fair point, but again my only chance at winning since the gonzaw lynch wasnt happening. Were you actually convinced that I wasn't the lyncher when I claimed in thread? I actually thought you're the Shrink who shrinked himself because I'm pretty sure I've got a pm telling me that's possible, unlike the medic. I just can't it. So I really didn't think the shrink would target anyone besides himself. | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:44 gonzaw wrote: Toad when you pmed me did you know you could convert once at that point? yes | ||
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Again, the only thing I was trying to do this game was giving you guys information on what's happening because I knew I had this one as long as everyone does the right call. And yeah I'm not blaiming anything on Clarity, it was the only way for him to win. Surely a 1% winchance is better than a 0% winchance. It's just horrible that I lost because of this REALLY bad set-up that despite my best efforts town wasn't able to figure out peoples roles AND you pulling that stunt out of nowhere to get a chance at winning. | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:46 Clarity_nl wrote: So you thought dandel was the lyncher, with his target being iamp? I thought dandel was the lyncher with his target being gonzaw. I was like "SHITSHITSHIT I REALLY HIT THE FUCKING LYNCHERS TARGET" once shit was going to happen and realized I was wrong on my shrink-read on you. | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:48 gonzaw wrote: I tried going on with it tohe you to claim who the "medic" was or maybe contradict yourelf and be outted as jester well as I just said...pretty much everything I told people in pm's about what I did at nights was true. And people kept telling me I'm a liar.... | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:52 gonzaw wrote: Did you know i was pgo jiexian? I told him d2, so yeah he did | ||
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I don't know? People realizing there isn't a need to play like a not-Yak for the Yak when the game is already over? | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:54 gonzaw wrote: So i wasnt.even playing at the time and evetbody knew my role. Cool actually wait that's wrong. I told him the first half-cycle after you replaced in. So that makes it n2? | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:57 gonzaw wrote: So what are he chances for town to win this game? I got really lucky n1 that I figured out everyone's role (besides screwing up lyncher <-> shrink). Without that it's fairly decent. You've got a 1 in 3 chance to lynch into jester / lynchers target if you lynch d1 (assuming it'l work and as we just saw it does when people don't know what's going on...). I've got a 1 in 5 chance to hit the PGO at night which makes town win. I've got a 1 in 5 chance to convert the shrinked guy which is PRETTY much gg unless mafia has perfect knowledge of roles. | ||
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On January 14 2013 03:02 Clarity_nl wrote: The thing is you're not forced to nk, are you? So you can take infinite time to figure it all out. Play nice! same goes for you. I have infinite time to figure out people by pm'ing them, you can do the EXACT same thing as town. I figured out people by taking the risk to shoot n1 because I thought I have to with everyone calling me a liar and the general unwillingness to talk with me in pms... Wether I take the risk and shoot / convert into town or you take the risk and lynch doesn't change that much. | ||
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2 of them voting the mafia 1 of them voting the jester 1 of them voting the lynchers target 1 of them voting NL ... almost got as cocky as to tell him to endgame the game if I managed to not shoot the lynchers target :p | ||
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On January 14 2013 03:07 Clarity_nl wrote: No, there is no risk to lynch. We literally cannot lynch scum with 6 people. Maybe everyone figures everything out, including you, but you are the only one who knows what your night actions are. With infinite amount of time you will eventually make the right choice. Yeah it's a bit theoretical but at the very least there can be no lynch on day 1 if everyone plays proper. You literally could not have lynched Jester or mafia this cycle either, yet it happened. | ||
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On January 14 2013 03:10 Clarity_nl wrote: No, there is a distinct difference. Especially since I claimed to have turned into a vt. Town needs a majority or they cannot lynch scum, if they cannot lynch scum they should no lynch and BECAUSE TOWN HAS HALF THE VOTES, THERE CANNOT BE A LYNCH. the difference is that town thought you're a townie and thought it's possible to lynch mafia this cycle, which was not true? Same could happen with the lyncher thinking someone is town REALLY strongly d1 and therefore giving into lynching the mafia. | ||
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On January 14 2013 03:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Why would a lyncher lynch town that is not his target? It just makes it harder for the lyncher to lynch his target down the road. Even if the lyncher wanted this somehow, why would any townie vote for anyone KNOWING that they cant lynch scum. that's how you're supposed to figure out people's alignments. You can't just NL and do nothing as town because as you said, mafia has a slight advantage on figuring out people and just needs to figure out either the shrink or the medic to win this, which will happen eventually. | ||
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On January 14 2013 03:20 JieXian wrote: edited my post above. I think you claiming and making town feel like lynching some will make you lose either way. The only candidates are toad and iamp well he was 100% certain he can't win by doing nothing. It's like claiming SK as SK. It's utterly retarded but a 1% chance to win by town screwing up big time is better than sitting ducks on your 0% winchace. | ||
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On January 14 2013 03:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Yes, toad, but you cannot do that as town. Voting anything but a no lynch during day 1 in this setup is anti town, there is no way around it. That's why I suggested the fourth townie in the setup. So there can be a lynch day 1. Jiexian, playing the way I did was the only conceivable way that I could have won, if you can explain a different way I could have handled it, I'm all ears. edit: no, they're not, gonzaw was a lynch candidate too, he was just a weak one and I couldn't convince dandel a 4th townie makes it impossible for mafia to win. | ||
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because you already have a 25/50 % chance to insta-lose as mafia if you try to kill people and you even have to kill one more guy that way. It might work if you take out the shrink or the PGO and add 2 VTs instead, idk. | ||
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On January 14 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote: Hmm ok. Thing is he was convinced that you are the shrink and I don't know what you 2 said to each other. That's how you knew you were going to get NKed? well he saw mafia was going to win because you died, he knew he was the lyncher (= not a VT) => no way to lynch the mafia => mafia will shoot one more guy next night. That could be him, that could be anyone else, either way it's a mafia win from his point of view and he tried to win with town, which just wasn't going to happen anymore | ||
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On January 14 2013 03:28 JieXian wrote: so that's why you were so damn pissed at him :D I get it now change it to "either way it's a mafia win from his point of vie2 unless he wins right now himself". I mean, I get what clarity did and he only had 2 options left to win. Sadly for me, he chose this one.... Had he just pm'ed me earlier about him being the lyncher he would have had a 50% chance to win because I win with either jester or lyncher and had to make one of those 2 lose. But that's still a 50% chance to win for him, hoping I'd pick him or hoping I wasn't in contact with the jester instead of his 1% chance to lynch gonzaw | ||
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this. I went into this game thinking I've got a 1 in 3 chance to actually win this... or something like this. I think it's about the same for town. Which is the reason I'm so very pissed about this, because I was so happy that I would win this after all the bad luck I run into... | ||
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On January 14 2013 03:34 Clarity_nl wrote: Nah, I contact you and you know who the jester is and win with him, kill me. I don't consider that a coinflip and I didn't think it was that farfetched to try and get gonzaw lynched, especially if he turned out to be jester instead of pgo (I didn't know which of iamp/gonzaw was which) I don't think third party can be the lynchers target. Pretty sure it has to be one of the 3 blues. Lynchers target being mafia or jester would be incredibly OP. And you didn't know that about the "coinflip" not being a coinflip. I told you an hour ago I would not have trusted you but you asked me so I'm pretty sure you would have given it a shot had you realized I'm the mafia | ||
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Well yeah, I didn't talk a lot with gonzaw because he was the PGO and there was no reason to talk with him from my point of view. Don't need him to know I'm mafia (should have told him...) if he's the PGO. | ||
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On January 14 2013 03:40 JieXian wrote: They're supposed to make reads..... eg, as the shrink, make yak think you're Doc and get him to convert you. Yak must find out who is the PGO to survive NKs. Doc must find out who is the yak to get turned to mafia or who is the shrink to lure the yak and most of all, convince them. I really like this game really, fucking shame I missed out that small part yeah exactly this. I really thought town did a bad job trying to figure out people's roles. You can't just straight up win this game the way you tried to if the game is called "Every man for himself mafia" lol You had to do something and JieXiann is totally right on this one. | ||
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On January 14 2013 03:44 Clarity_nl wrote: I convinced a bunch of people of a bunch of stuff but then 4 cycles of no lynches/night kills happened so it was impossible to keep any of my stories up. Didn't exactly help me either that I told everyone I'm going to kill you n1 to prove I'm mafia and yes, I actually did that :p | ||
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On January 14 2013 03:48 Clarity_nl wrote: :D:D:D Seriously though what do I change to increase my chances of winning if I find myself in this exact situation pm me, give me the NL and hope one of the guys ignoring me because they "knew" I'm not mafia (Dandel / Gonzaw) is the jester . Or hope that I'm just not in contact with the jester yet. There really was no other way. | ||
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so sad I lost this Edit: ![[image loading]](http://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/south_park_cartman_screw_you_guys_Ask_a_Dannyl-s276x270-114676-4751.jpg) To McDonalds it is. Junkfood makes Toad a happy Toad. | ||
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On January 14 2013 04:58 ghost_403 wrote: ENDGAME just to have a proper game ending post. IAMPERFECTION WON THE GAME by fulfilling his wincondition of getting lynched Role list:
For me and Palmar, this game was absolutely hysterical. Night 1, everyone targeted Clarity. Throughout the rest of the game, the trend continued. JX kept Toadss from dying not once, but twice. I'll post a complete night actions list at some point. Way too funny. At any rate, GOOD GAME!!!! It was our pleasure hosting this game for you guys. except for the part where town and 3rd parties went like "naaaaah, can't win the game anymore but let's at least make sure Toad can't win. That guy is a dick" I am so going to keep on saying that until the end of eternity just to make sure gonzaw and dandel know they ruined this game for me for shitz and giggles... | ||
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On January 14 2013 05:18 Clarity_nl wrote: Toad seems to highly disagree but I think a fourth town member would help a lot with the slow start. I dunno, I got to control night actions during n1 but after a couple of cycles it's impossible for me to keep my story straight compared to others that are telling the truth. The point of this game is that you never were supposed to win "normally" as town and people didn't realize it. You're not supposed to lynch the mafia unless he fucks up big time and you're therefore not supposed to have a majority as town. It's about figuring out roles and wether you play correctly due to the information you have and what you do with that. If you give town a majority it's not doable for mafia given the blue roles and the constant chance of just dying yourself if you're wrong on a single read. I mean I had to shoot townies, which is pretty damn risky considering 1 of them is the PGO so you better make sure your reads are correct as mafia, at least on the important people. That was the reason I shot gonzaw on n3 on purpose. That wasn't bad luck, I literally wanted to shoot the PGO. It's basicly like a game of risk (the boardgame) and people didn't realize that. Edit: The only way for town to win this is either to fuck me by telling JieXiann to not protect me and telling the shrink to shrink the medic. Or to join forces with mafia. And it's good that way. | ||
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On January 14 2013 05:26 Clarity_nl wrote: I understood it just fine, but there needs to be a way for the game to move forward even if scum isn't ready. It's just a flaw in the setup, and if there is a different solution other than adding a townie then I'm all ears. Again, you had the same options I had except for the fact that I got lucky on my n1 hit. You and town had to do something in pm's and win by screwing people, not by trying to play the game. Edit: Like as the lyncher you could have made me question my target for the last night. I don't want to make you a VT yet you never pm'ed me. The shrink could have pm'ed me and fucked with me. It was just way too easy to play this game for me because noone did something. | ||
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On January 14 2013 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote: I am not complaining about balance, I am not complaining about the different ways people need to play to win. I am simply commenting that the day 1 forced no-lynch situation was awkward and shouldn't repeat itself. You seem to be completely missing my point. I get that. But saying the forced NL is something bad means that you don't want a NL, which means lynching the mafia is possible d1, which shouldn't be possible in this set-up imo because it's not what the game is about. Also having the game end d1 because you lynched the jester or the lynchers target is really stupid as well. | ||
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I went into this game with that attitude and it's exactly what I expected the game to be and I liked it a lot because of that. | ||
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On January 14 2013 06:45 gonzaw wrote: Well, iamp and clarity just didn't even communicate with me and Toad told the whole truth apparently (even if I didn't know it at the time) You seemed to intentionally call me the yak (knowing I wasn't) and you half-claimed jester. When you said "Contact the Medic and PGO to see if they care" I was like "lol why is this guy claiming Shrink to me?" which was too obvious since like you accused me of being yak so why would you claim Shrink to me which made me think you made a subtle jester claim to me (and thought I was real yak or something) ![[image loading]](http://s3.favim.com/orig/39/jack-sparrow-pirates-of-the-caribbean-quote-truth-typograpy-Favim.com-320363.jpg) | ||
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On January 14 2013 07:24 gonzaw wrote: Well yeah, that meant that no matter who of the other 2 townies your target was, I just tell them "visit me", instead of trying to find out who's the real PGO. it's actually only a 33% chance and not 66% because even with the lyncher turned into a VT you can't win once 4 player scenario is reached. The only way for you to win as town + lyncher is for mafia to shoot the 1 specific guy n1 (let's just call the night with the first death n1). So it really was gg unless I shoot the jester (why should I...) and it wasn't possible for town to win. If his target was one of medic / shrink you'd have to lynch me in the 5 player scenario, which is still incredibly hard to do, just look at how many people thought I was mafia endgame... I mean your plan revolves around the lynchers target suiciding which can't work because it will automatically bring you to 4 player set-up unless you get INCREDIBLY lucky and the mafia accidently targets the same game. | ||
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I know everyone's role besides confusing shrink and lyncher but that didn't matter, I knew I had the medic support so all that stuff didn't matter and I knew I can't hit the PGO. It literally only had a 33% chance because I can freely kill any one out of you guys and it's about wether or not that guy is the target. If he is it's possible to lynch in a 5 player scenario. If it's not the game is won for mafia in the 5 player scenario like it should have been without massive town retardation... In 4 player scenarios it doesn't matter because worst case scenario is 2 townies (no matter who you shoot) vs jester vs mafia which isn't possible for anyone to win besides mafia + jester. Obviously randomly shooting would be stupid. You can't shoot before you're 100% certain who the PGO and Jester are as mafia and if you know that that all doesn't matter anymore. But there was also no way for you to know that I guess. | ||
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I've got like 3 pages of pm's from this game. Edit: Actually it's 4.5 pages of received pm's... not counting the ones I send and I'm pretty sure I send more Edit2: And on top of that all the german logs with JieXiann. Pretty sure I talked more with him than anybody else | ||
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