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On January 18 2013 09:23 Acid~ wrote:R.I.P. Sn0_Man Just so we're clear, Sn0's death doesn't mean anyone gets a free pass re: roleclaiming and explanations. I'll start, since I have the most powerful role with the best power of them all: + Show Spoiler +I would like to see all of your claims before making a case. @Zebezt: You need to get off your tunneling of Laguerta and make a case against JSL if you insist on going that route for today's lynch. I also want to hear an explanation of why you didn't consolidate with town on Mocsta when it was clear a JSL lynch wasn't going to happen. In that regard, until you step up... ##Vote: Zebezt
I wasn't even around for the voting deadline, so I had no chance to change vote.
Is it necessary to roleclaim yet? It seems early to me, but I havent checked what the normal scum ratio is. But i strongly suspect there were 3 scums at the start. I think almost 1third scum at start would not be good in a newbie game.
Some people have already roleclaimed though, which puts our blues at risk of sniping.
btw, if you have been RB'ed keep it quiet until somebody claims to be a RB'er
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Lol.. I almost miss Mocsta. It's kinda dead in here. Partly my own fault. Too damn busy.
Been reading spag's filter.
He doesnt say much useful stuff. He did encourage people to look into a case on Mocsta though. Slightly positive.
On the whole he feels scummy to me though. For someone that said he was gonna contribute a lot, he hasn't really made that happen yet.
Tomorrow i'll probably write an overview of my case against Jacob.
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My case on JacobStrangelove
It seems a lot of people can't get with a case unless it's phrased as a long megapost with lots of quotes.
POINT 1: THE LIE: Laguerta says he is not gonna "no lynch" vote but then ends up doing exactly that. People now make excuses for it saying it was just a troll.
What do we know? It was a smurf. Wether it was a good or bad player is unknown. We do know there weren't many posts by Laguerta, the quality sucked and it was not funny.
Would a troll play like this? If you made a smurf just for trolling wouldn't you actually want to troll? Instead of going out of your way to look suspicious and then get voted off day 1 (this almost happened). That seems to make no sense to me.
Was Laguerta simply a bad townie and forgot what he said? If you say something because you actually belief it you arent gonna forget it, because you'll automatically do it right.
I think the lie still stands as strong evidence
Point 2: Mocsta's vote switch
I have explained before why Mocsta making a switch from Laguerta to Mand was only logical if Laguerta is scum.
The alternative is some unlikely ploy to make himself look less suspicious. Which does not match with point 3.
Point 3: Mocsta says JacobStrangelove is 100% scum, but he doesn't vote for him. Instead twice voting on somebody else. Of course this makes Mocsta look super scummy. Why not vote on your sure read, but vote on someone else? Because JacobStrangelove is scum ofcourse. Giving Mocsta the chance to switch to him later on if JSL's lynch seems inevitable.
Point 4: JSL votes no lynch
Gives the excuse that he doesn't wanna vote with scum. Does he not have critical thinking of his own to determine guilt?
If you don't vote you effectively give scum more power if you are a townie. If you are scum and scum is not on the line, no voting makes sense so might not be implicated in a mislynch.
It seemed his voice was not necessary to lynch Trotske, so there was no reason to vote.
Point 5: JSL does not contribute
This is subjective, but I think most will agree
##Vote: JacobStrangelove
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You answered most of it before, but they were crappy answers.
A too scummy to be scum playstyle. Really?? As town? This makes no sense.
I'll comment on the rest later
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The whole concept of too scummy to be scum makes no sense. Even if you don't get voted out immediately, you will eventually.
Your point 3 defense is basically that you don't know. How is that a defense?
Your point 4 defense was that it was clear shz was going to switch because of some comments he made. That's hardly a guarantee. Many people say accusing things about others, but these don't mean they will switch.
Town should vote. You sound like you are very experienced. You should be able to read the cases and decide wether or not they should be good. Refusing to vote = scummy
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looks like all zezbets are off!
anywayz.. seems like my vote is not gaining any traction. Sad
since spag is my next best choice i'm joining the bandwagon so there won't be any weird switches to Trotske or zare. those look more innocent to me.
##Vote: Spaghetticus
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On January 20 2013 06:54 zarepath wrote:
zebezt, if you believe Acid is scum, why would you vote WITH him?
Did I ever say Acid is scum? He seems less scummy to me than spag.
I'm voting with JSL though, which is maybe what you meant.
I don't know his reason for this vote, but most likely trying to appear less scummy.
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Oh sweet!
This will be an interesting day indeed.
Had yet another mafia related dream... mafia-paintball.. quite an interesting concept. Maybe I should market it. 
I'm not sure why everyone is all over zare. I will go through his filter though.
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lol
i can confirm i'm town too 
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gg acid
shame u were wrong about me all this time 
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Why vote zare though and not JSL?
I've only been able to go through half of his filter yet, but he doesn't really scream scum to me.
Guess I know who to read up on tonight.
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Just because Acid said so doesn't make it true.
If I were you and scum I might have chosen Acid as well, to throw off the scent.
Seeing as you bring this defense up right away tells me you probably thought of this yourself too.
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JSL, you are not helping yourself.
The way you are playing right now it seems like you are trying to cover yourself if zare gets lynched and all eyes turn to you on the next day.
Yes I did spend time thinking about how to play SK pregame. This was because the win conditions were not framed correctly so it sounded like if there was only town and and an SK left town would have already won.
This was not the intention though.
In the setup as we have it now, I think the SK should try make a kill every night if he thinks he has a decent chance to get a scum. If I was SK, you'd be long dead.
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EBWOP: I meant when zare gets lynched and flips town
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If you want people to think about the possibility of an SK it should actually make sense.
There is no indication there is one.
An SK benefits from eliminating people as fast as possible, as long as he does not end up with too many scum who can easily lynch him in the end.
You are smart enough to know this. You are trying to make stories up.
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It's nice to have other people in my tunnel
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I didn't get RB'ed.
I guess it's nice to know I've been right all along about you.
Must admit you made it into a relatively convincing story. So kudo's for that.
If you really were RB you could have claimed right away though instead of waiting. Now you just added another lie to your list.
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This does in fact not eliminate all possibilities for mistakes from my pov.
I have been thinking about what your gameplan is. Are you just planning to stretch the game out for no good reason?
Only thing I can think of is that there are 4 scum players in this game.
That means zare or shz is scum.
scenario zare is scum: zare gets lynched, flips scum and JSL says: see! I was right! During night he kills Trotske, claims he RB'ed me and thus shz must be SK.
now that I think of it, this doesn't make sense. Because at this point I'd be confirmed town and if he had RB'ed me I would tell.
scenario shz is scum: zare gets lynched, flips town. Everyone knows JSL is scum, but during night another townie dies. 2-1 for scum/townies.
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EPT
