EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XXXIV
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Pretty much agree with everything said. I enjoy reading and analysing as much as I can before I post as it's more concise to read through someone's ideas in one go instead of picking up all the short posts. I hope to support the summary idea but we'll see once the first few are out. Could be a mafia tactic against lazy townies which want to skip on the reading. | ||
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I like to keep it simple Lynch Liars + lurkers. Since I'm new it's much simpler to not have to consider town gambits etc., | ||
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(1) You mention keeping it simple, Lynch the liars + lurkers. Please expand on this. Would you chose liars/lurkers over top scum read? (2) Noone is asking you to support the summary idea; thus, how do you propose to support town play? (3) Your post contribution currently is on par with TeMiL and zarepath. If we are you Lynch all lurkers, which of (TeMiL, zarepath, StriX) shall town vote to lynch? Please lead the scum hunt with your chosen candidate. 1. Doesn't seem logical to do that so no. As you can deal with a lying or lurking town with less punishment than .5?-1 death/night. 2. No ideas yet honestly - still getting the hang of who is who. 3. Zarepath at the moment - mainly due to his policy on no lynch. Town environment can be improved and giving a lynch which could potentially be a free scum kill away seems too steep a price to pay. | ||
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-just answered -some RL mafia experience and very little online experience. | ||
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can pretty much explain to you and sylencia can confirm as he was moderator for that game. (mods can confirm I signed up from his ip?). We know each other in RL and he's the catalyst for me being in this game. I was a VT which lurked quite a bit too much early game (20/20 hindsight). Misread towards the end and kept posting analysis which supported my theory and was kind of blind to a lurking mafia which lost the town the game. 0/10 do not wish to repeat. | ||
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was on facebook so privacy of others involved etc., Sorry. Occassional frequency but long posts was my modus operandi. | ||
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(2) You said zarepath is your lead suspect. With the information zarepath has presented since Session 2. What are your revised thoughts? If still a target, I suggest you demonstrate your conviction with a vote; otherwise, begin to identify alternative candidates. 1. I'm starting to yes. 2. Feel like we're going a bit easy on TeMiL and I'd like to vote to lynch him right now. I delayed my vote due to suspecting lurking was due to timezone issues, however, I feel like we've given him long enough to contribute. He is also the only one to not respond to Mocsta's first set of questions. As an idea Mocsta could you may ##Vote TeMil p.s. Anyone want to explain Threesr to me? | ||
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by the way - if you reread I was the first to call out zarepath on his no-lynch so it's amusing to me that you use it as an argument then call me out for contributing nothing. @cDGCorazon I shouldn't be grouped with TeMil. | ||
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Not really satisfied with my answer to this, however, the question does invite fluff. Reasoning on why someone is good seems to help mafia tbh. cDgCorazon should be good - more info needed On January 03 2013 10:36 cDgCorazon wrote: 2) How would the mafia try to get us to mislynch a townie? I'll save this answer for after more people have discussed it. perhaps we should discuss this? Mocsta puts it pretty much in my words. Lurking mafia is easy to do and likely to work. Mocsta very easy to call good so we should be on our toes. I've seen some reasoning along the lines of he's playing like the townie he played last game. Dangerous assumption as a good mafia would play the same way would they not? If he's not bad I feel like he's in danger of being killed night as he's very valuable to the town leading the discussion mostly. OmniEulogy Perhaps a bit jumpy, however, we really don't have much to go on with one day worth of info. jampidampi Very suspicious of me still. Not sure why. Perhaps due to the leading nature of Mocsta's question? zarepath not sure on your read about sylencia as he did call me out due to knowing me. I feel the whole town is a bit eager to call people out on fluff day one when really that's kind of what day1 usually is - for me anyway. Spaghetticus Didn't even catch that QT 'read' until was pointed out. It's a bit ... of overanalysing tbh. Still innocent until proven guilty for me. Sylencia Seems like bored townie proding. TeMiL ??? | ||
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Why have you backed off zarepath? I want to know rationale, you should have this case-at-hand if you are analytically minded as Sylencia stated. Seems to defeat the purpose - Much easier to wait for a mistake then tell someone your watching them and expect one. Not to mention you could create one self fulfilling prophecy style. I guess we have different definitions of top scum reads as I really don't feel supporting no lynch is one. Perhaps in a high level (it'd probably be a meta play there actually) game but not in newbie mafia. I guess it's easier to spot things when people point them out to you. Honestly forgot you're the one who gave me the names and neglected to check out the others in more detail. Will now be aware of the leading nature of your questions towards myself. | ||
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I guess that's fair. For interests sake at what point would you say enough is enough and vote TeMiL (assuming he still doesn't post). I'm aware that since I lost my last game to a lurking mafia I maybe overcompensating to kill lurkers. Trying to find the balance right now. | ||
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@Mocsta It was my idea of a 'play'. Accepting the advantage if you wish a starcraft analogy. (The better player wins in the long term so delaying the game is of no harm as long as you can hold the advantage) It obviously defeats the purpose if I reveal the play but at this point transparency and proving my innocence seem to be the priority. Self-fulfilling prophecy was me explaining a potential weakness in pressuring someone versus observing them. TeMiL is currently the undisputedly biggest lurker. I guess it's easier to spot things when people point them out to you. Honestly forgot you're the one who gave me the names and neglected to check out the others in more detail. Will now be aware of the leading nature of your questions towards myself. in response to Why are you only analysing the names fed to you? Basically I was saying sometimes you forget who suggested the idea to you to check someone out as you are the one studying all their posts etc., Possible to even think you came up with it all by yourself. Next statement is a bit generic I guess but it is true. Sharpening your scope limits your vision. Last was a poke at the leading nature of your questions and also a realisation that I'm not immune to being led. Seems like a very good explanation for the situation I'm in with jampidampi. | ||
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On January 03 2013 22:47 StriX wrote: (2) [Mocsta] thus, how do you propose to support town play? At this point transparent observations are my strength. Aggression for me is fun and all but very often seems to lead to situations we have with Sylencia v Zarepath. Reactionary play versus aggressive pressure seems to be a bit of an issue here. I feel like most of you guys are more a fan of the latter. I have no objections being lynched for playstyle reasons but diversification of strategy would definitely give the mafia a harder time (good cop bad cop). | ||
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Very often when set on something everything your target says seems to confirm your theory - confirmation bias if you will. Careful how you read my responses and try to test both sides and come up with your conclusion. -In his first post he is only agreeing with others and repeating what others already said about the summary plan. I find it ridiculous that one would come to the table disagreeing with an established meta of 5 others. These guys have obviously done work and to not be patient and see where it goes is unscientific and a little overconfident. I bring not much to the table due to being an observer. Not much going on so not much to report or it's an easy observation so I'm just repeating what has been said. Give me some time before I get going. A bare minimun response to the question. Vigourous writing is concise as they say. As mentioned by Mocsta liars often overemphasize. Thus it can be dangerous to conclude longer = more truthful. Accusing someone based on a nolynch policy is an easy thing to do. Easy isn't necessarily bad. I haven't been resting and plan to follow the plan I discussed with cDgCorazon. After that he takes back his suspicions of zarepath stating that Rationalizing no-lynch is nothing by itself. even though most would agree it's a scummy move As explained above it was a ploy. If zarepath really does redeem himself he will see in the votes. Let me explain why my argument for not giving reasons for calling someone good. Tells may very be based on them being a blue role and calling them out and drawing attention is risky. They might very well be flying so well under the radar that the mafia don't realise. Another thing is your reads become useless once posted. Mafia may subtly start acting like your idea VT and calling out someone on their innocent actions may make them conscious of it and hence reinforce it. In the end you have a town which is identical - and ideal environment for the mafia to blend in. Diversification is what I'm campaigning for. | ||
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I just have one simple question. Don't you think it's interesting OmniEulogy bandwagons twice? (first on zarepath then on myself) I'll attempt to find some proof because didn't really suspect him until now. | ||
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Not happening in this case but I felt it a bit with zarepath originally. It's very tactical to 'voteblock'. That is vote someone before they vote you and then claim they are trying to OMGUS you. | ||
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hardgamehardlife. ##Vote jampidampi | ||
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at risk of adding more fuel to the fire. Will you vote for jampidampi if I die VT? I would have been suspicious if you bandwagon'd anyone. | ||
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I did read that. Call it a test in consistency. | ||
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##Vote: OmniEulogy | ||
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It's weird also that you are basically saying with your vote that I lurk more than TeMiL. | ||
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And Mocsta is also a good enough player that he can use my flip to clear his name. As I mentioned before if he doesn't die during the night it should become more and more suspicious. | ||
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I now believe the mafia pair to be Omni + Mocsta. Mocsta until this point has been baiting jampidampi into me and is using this vote to clear himself. Mocsta also very cleverly uses this out of character last minute post case on OmniEulogy to clear himself after my flip. It becomes even more suspicious when I mention IF mocsta doesn't die as if I am the one who chooses (mia cupla). Be very careful of the leading nature of Mocsta's Question time. OmniEulogy is very good at rehashing made points. That is all. | ||
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I guess if I can't convince you guys it's gg for me. It's been fun guys - wish I was a higher level to be able to contribute more. gl /w the scumhunt. | ||
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