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EBWOP:
I decided to re-evaluate my reads on Sylencia and jampidampi.
I noticed peculiarities that about both of you, that I think is worth addressing.
Before, issuing my questions, I will be patient and wait for jampidampi to come back.
@jampidampi.. 4hrs has expired since the Night2 action. I know that you have typically made posts around this time.
So I am going to give you a full 8hrs from now to respond that you have acknowledged what has been put forth post-Night2.
I dont care right now if you are working on a case.. what i need to know now is that you are present among us.
If you do not post acknowledgement, and statement of intentions within the next 12 hrs I will have no choice but to lay my vote down your name. The justification being that
(1) I know from timestamps, you typically post around this time.
(2) Giving how critical we are with numbers.. there is no way you would not have shown activity. Lack of activity this stage of the game = scum play.
In your time, it would be 2am.. I am goign to give you to 8pm your time to respond....
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@Mocsta:
I'm present right now, but will leave on a short notice. I will be back in about 8 hours. I still find it hard to believe that you were actually town, but after looking at Omnis post 80 line 46 word 8, I quess I'll have to accept that you are town. If you can give me your questions at around 8 hours from now I will be able to answear them pretty much right away. After answearing them I will look at Sylencias actions and his filter, hopefully convincing you gyus that he is the one you should lynch.
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OK.. because you where the one under the most heat Day1/Day2... I will ask you questions first.
Will have them ready within the next 8 hrs.
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Questions for jampidampi
Preface A - TeMiL filter, comments
(1)+ Show Spoiler [The Vote] +On January 05 2013 09:45 TeMiL wrote:
Dont have much time.
I didnt expect this results but i know this can change in last minute.
##VOTE:jampidampi
you only write when you want. Sounds a lurk for me.
you made a deep thought and then nothing else.
TL;DR
TeMiL finishes his last action, and votes jampidampi
Preface B - jampidampi filter, comments
(1)+ Show Spoiler [The Promise] + (a) + Show Spoiler [Lynch lurkers] +On January 03 2013 16:25 jampidampi wrote: Lurkers contribute nothing to town, so if we don't get a scumread, I think lynching a lurker is fine D1.... (b) + Show Spoiler [Post Integrity] +On January 03 2013 22:46 jampidampi wrote:
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As to why you shouldn't lynch the current me: I prefer only to post if it has a meaning. Answearing questing and asking them. Sharing my reads on someone. Unnecessary spam just clutters the thread and hides important post.
(c) + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +On January 03 2013 22:46 jampidampi wrote:
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Once we get a case rolling, be it a scum or town read, we can get discussion and opinions. ... Expect some analysis in while.
(d) + Show Spoiler [Post Integrity again] +On January 05 2013 00:31 jampidampi wrote:
To everyone saying that I am lurker: I may have very few posts, but each and every one of them holds a meaning. I do not post without thinking. Every post is crafted with a clear purpose to push the town agenda. Randomly pointing out suspicions that are not severe enough to warrant a case on someone just makes them play more carefully. If the intention is to actually catch a scum, you need to tell about your suspicions while actually providing sufficient evidence. But if you require pointing fingers of suspicion around whenever theres even a bit of scumminess, I will begin to do so.
TL;DR
jampidampi promises that lynching lurker is fine if no scum read.
jampidampi promises that all posts have meaning
jampidampi promises analysis
jampiagain promises all posts have meaning and quality
(2)+ Show Spoiler [The Promised Analysis] + (a) + Show Spoiler [Weak Town Reads] +On January 04 2013 00:37 jampidampi wrote:My analysis on Mocsta + Show Spoiler +Very active, as he was in Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIII. He's constantly trying to pressure people into posting, going as far as giving them advice on what to post. He was also doing it during XXXIII, so I wouldn't read too much into it. Also, he is the only one who has taken concrete actions (the vote on cDgCorazon) during this whole time.
Leaning towards town Spaghetticus + Show Spoiler +If we exclude the the QT question, he plays the way he played in earlier games. First posting a list of lurkers and pressuring them to contribute, then beginning to analyse individual cases. I believe that On January 03 2013 11:42 Spaghetticus wrote:
DO NOT LURK. IDGAF WHO PLAYS SCUMMY I WILL BE VOTING THE LURKIEST PLAYER DAY ONE PERIOD. was his way of saying that he hates lurkers. Regarding the QT question: If he was scum, he would have gotten the QT link with his role PM. Would anyone ask something they already know of? Or was it a way to get his scumbuddy to come to the QT? It is all just speculation, but I hope everyone here would have the brains to check out the QT from their PM. Leaning towards towncDgCorazon + Show Spoiler +Appears to be playing diffrently from Newbie XXXIII. He hasn't been as active this time around, and he isn't as aggressive with his scum claims. And I don't think he would be purposefully bringing up his scum game so many times if he actually was a scum.
Leaning towards town Please note that the analysis on Spaghetticus was written before his post answearing questions. (b) + Show Spoiler [Weak Summary] +
TL;DR
jampidampi posts reads which contains 3 players he suspects are town. (2 have died and were town)
jampiadmpi posts summary and addresses questions to 3 players (all confirmed town)
(3)+ Show Spoiler [Cases] + (a) + Show Spoiler [StriX] +On January 04 2013 17:19 jampidampi wrote:After examing StriX filter, he feels scummy. + Show Spoiler +In his first post he is only agreeing with others and repeating what others already said about the summary plan. Second post is just policy talk without actually bringing anthing new to the table.A short post just answearing a question. On January 03 2013 22:47 StriX wrote:Show nested quote +(1) You mention keeping it simple, Lynch the liars + lurkers. Please expand on this. Would you chose liars/lurkers over top scum read?
(2) Noone is asking you to support the summary idea; thus, how do you propose to support town play?
(3) Your post contribution currently is on par with TeMiL and zarepath. If we are you Lynch all lurkers, which of (TeMiL, zarepath, StriX) shall town vote to lynch? Please lead the scum hunt with your chosen candidate. 1. Doesn't seem logical to do that so no. As you can deal with a lying or lurking town with less punishment than .5?-1 death/night. A bare minimun response to the question. 2. No ideas yet honestly - still getting the hang of who is who.
Seems like coming up with a excuse not to contribute. 3. Zarepath at the moment - mainly due to his policy on no lynch. Town environment can be improved and giving a lynch which could potentially be a free scum kill away seems too steep a price to pay.
Accusing someone based on a nolynch policy is an easy thing to do. Next three posts are him answearing my questions about the game he played earlier. After that he takes back his suspicions of zarepath stating that Rationalizing no-lynch is nothing by itself. even though most would agree it's a scummy move On January 04 2013 14:24 StriX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +(1) Have your ideas expanded on "who is who"? Please share
(2) You said zarepath is your lead suspect. With the information zarepath has presented since Session 2. What are your revised thoughts? If still a target, I suggest you demonstrate your conviction with a vote; otherwise, begin to identify alternative candidates. 1. I'm starting to yes. Again, bare minimum response. 2. Feel like we're going a bit easy on TeMiL and I'd like to vote to lynch him right now. I delayed my vote due to suspecting lurking was due to timezone issues, however, I feel like we've given him long enough to contribute. He is also the only one to not respond to Mocsta's first set of questions.
As an idea Mocsta could you may
##Vote TeMil Targetting the easiest player to target: a lyrker with no contrinutions. After that he claims to have contributed with an argument that he later took back.Then he posts his reads/views on everyone without actually giving any reasonings.On January 04 2013 15:27 StriX wrote:Show nested quote +Why have you backed off zarepath? I want to know rationale, you should have this case-at-hand if you are analytically minded as Sylencia stated. Seems to defeat the purpose - Much easier to wait for a mistake then tell someone your watching them and expect one. Not to mention you could create one self fulfilling prophecy style. I guess we have different definitions of top scum reads as I really don't feel supporting no lynch is one. Perhaps in a high level (it'd probably be a meta play there actually) game but not in newbie mafia. Defends letting go of zarepaths pressure with a different playstyle. I guess it's easier to spot things when people point them out to you. Honestly forgot you're the one who gave me the names and neglected to check out the others in more detail. Will now be aware of the leading nature of your questions towards myself.
Acknowledges that so far all his actions have been because Mocsta requested him to act. In his last post he defends his vote on TeMiL with some previous game he played. Overall, he has no contributions to speak of and some of his plays are scummy. ##Vote StriX (b) + Show Spoiler [Mocsta 1.0] +On January 07 2013 14:29 jampidampi wrote:@Mocsta Your case on Omni has been the worst case so far. I will not restate what Cora has already stated. Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 10:37 OmniEulogy wrote:
Whoa didn't expect it to start tonight. I'm extremely tired guys and I was about to go to sleep till I saw the PM. I'll catch up tomorrow when I wake up x.x
Quickly though - for those of you who played with me last game my views stay the same for Policy lynches.
We shouldn't lynch the lurkers D1 just because they aren't active, we need to actively scum hunt and push our top scum reads. I WILL lynch liars though. Townies don't need to lie in this game.
That's all I've got to say about that I'm looking forward to this getting going! (1) Policy talk from all is typically meaningless fluff at the start. You say you will actively scum hunt.. but what have you contributed actively? A vote on zarepath.. because he votes no-lynch early game. that is not active scum hunting. That is prejudice. I can vote 100 people between now and deadline. its the vote at deadline that matters. First sign you need to step up your game.. the question is whether town or scum motivation. To me, I take this 50/50. So null read. How do you not include Omnis case on StriX as active scumhunting? Your reasoning for StriX being town is Show nested quote +I personally didnt like his requests.. BUT.. in newbie 33 there were other townies who voiced the same requests StriX.. (I am referring to medic to my marine Spag)... so I gave StriX some dispensation (based on my past experiences). So you think his play is bad and you let it go because this is a newbie game? I could understand this if your townread on StriX was something more than giving him some dispensation. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:33 OmniEulogy wrote:
##Unvote: Zarepath given the three/four pages I need to catch up in and what I have read so far I don't believe my vote should still rest on Zare for this lynch. I think he has now contributed more than several others and it would be worse for town to lose him at this moment. I think TeMiL is just really bad town so I wont be voting for him either. I'll have a longer post written up shortly.
Also spag I only read your last post as writing this and I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you have this made up illusion that I have something against you because of NMM XXXIII. Get over it. You are trying to get people to think that we can't agree on anything and that our opinions will always be different. As I know I am town, I can only see it as a move to try to divide townies and get us to lose faith in each other, please stop or I'll assume its scum motivated instead of you dwelling too much on the past. (7) Interesting. The justification is quite weak to remove the vote.. He has contributed? big whoop, this is a piss poor attempt to move onto another target. You are admitting here your actual vote justification was weak, or even just sheeping. Again, how does that help town win? You never post your write-up either... I am on the thread 3-4hrs later, and its not there, what we get is a summary. Your justification for removing your suspicions from Mocsta are even weaker. You only say Show nested quote + I am stuck with you. I don't think my case had confirmation bias (unfortunately only Corazon has commented). The problem is, on a re-read, and considering content since the case.. I do find some material to be incredibly town motivated.
Even if I ask you do not provide more reasonings for letting down your suspicions on him. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 07:06 OmniEulogy wrote: My case on StriX. Why he is my top scum read. Syl gave him a very nice resume as Mocsta called it and made me look forward to what he would bring to the table to help us with his insight. However I have not seen any of it in nearly 48 hours. Perhaps a town StriX would make large posts and push strong scum reads however that is not what we have seen at all. He plays a newbie card early on and on top of that votes for TeMiL and feels that after making that his only useful(?) post he should not be grouped together with him as a lurker. @OmniEulogy
by the way - if you reread I was the first to call out zarepath on his no-lynch so it's amusing to me that you use it as an argument then call me out for contributing nothing.
@cDGCorazon
I shouldn't be grouped with TeMil. If mentioning no-lynch is a massive contribution I must be severely missing something about this game. Especially after Syl brought up all the insight you bring to the game. He follows up when asked why he doesn't pursue Zare with this On January 04 2013 15:27 StriX wrote:
Why have you backed off zarepath? I want to know rationale, you should have this case-at-hand if you are analytically minded as Sylencia stated.
Seems to defeat the purpose - Much easier to wait for a mistake then tell someone your watching them and expect one. Not to mention you could create one self fulfilling prophecy style. Basically, he wants to lurk and watch his target without forcing his scum read to actually answer any questions... thus giving him no new information. This is not a town way of scum hunting. It is scum pretending to hunt scum while allowing himself to continue to lurk. He also admits that Mocsta has fed him the names for his top scum reads at that point in time. No real searching involved. We then have his take on Zare's case vs Syl and how to support/promote town play On January 04 2013 21:19 StriX wrote:
oops forgot this bit
On January 03 2013 22:47 StriX wrote:
(2) [Mocsta] thus, how do you propose to support town play?
At this point transparent observations are my strength. Aggression for me is fun and all but very often seems to lead to situations we have with Sylencia v Zarepath. He wants to lurk as town and offer no helpful information himself and use information other people gather to give his opinions. On top of this he then criticizes it when it is exactly what Syl had to do to answer Zare's case. It makes no sense considering it is exactly what he wants to watch happen. (have people question each other for information so he can make cases) The only problem with what happened was that a bandwagon did not form on a possibly innocent Syl and thus as scum he had nowhere to hitch his vote to. He also backtracks on Zare just based on the fact that he no longer things the no-lynch would be scummy without a good reason. Stating "it was a ploy" and that is all. At this point in time StriX has moved to my top scum read and therefore I am voting for him. ##Vote: StriX (9) The vote on StriX. Starts off copy/pasting my comments. Goes back into policy lynch talking.. Seriosly Omni... future games you roll as town, you need to let it go man.... Justification regarding StriX->zarepath is weak, but passable as a town motivation. Then finishes off with more policy talk. I assumed he realised the justification for the vote was weak, so decided to spruce it up with some policy justification. While Omni may quote yuor comments, you never say that you are waiting for StriX to contribute a big post. And Omni does not talk policy in his case, he is accusing StriX of just talking policy. Not to mention posting your case 1 hour before the deadline, even if, as you state yourself, you had your scumread atleast 10 hours beforehand. Your case on TeMiL seems like an excuse not to post a real case. Then you can just say that a coach gave you the advise to pursue your read and that is why posted it so late. I urge everyone to go through Mocstas filter and re-evaluate, if his truly is town. His only big contributions are the cases on Omni and TeMiL, which reek of utter bullshit. Other than that he has just been leading the town to the direction he wants with his questions. What has he actually contributed since N1? Since D1? He has defended himself. I will post a bigger case later, but right now I need to leave for school. (c) + Show Spoiler [Mocsta 2.0] +On January 08 2013 05:42 jampidampi wrote:Making this took way longer than I expected, but here it is: My case on Mocsta I think Mocsta is an active scum rather than a passive one. And what I mean by that is that instead of trying to stay in the shadows, he is come aggressively forth, being confident not to slip. His main motive isn't to stay hidden, it is to cause caos while appearing as the most contributing person. He does a very good job of missleading town. I will now explain how his posts are crafted to help his agenda. His posts can basicly be split into five categories: - Policy talk
- Summaries
- Accusations
- Leading others
- Reasonings
+ Show Spoiler [Policy talk] +Mocsta starts the game with policy talk. Some more policy talk. Later, he comments on the power of a vote. That's it for posts solely on policy talk. Mocsta has some other posts were he touches on lynching policy, but overall he seems to avoid the subject. Talking about policy is something easy for mafia to do, so by avoiding it his "contributions" seem more of a town nature. More so than that, it gives him the opportunity to attack others because they are talking about policy. I will group the small accusations and Mocstas to cases (TeMiL and OmniEulogy) separately. + Show Spoiler [Small accusations] +All of these are easy accusations to do. There is no deeper thought behind most of these. They help Mocsta establish a protown image while making others appear as more suspicious. + Show Spoiler [Cases] +Analysed separately for clarity + Show Spoiler [TeMiL] +Mocstas case on TeMiLAt the start, it seems as though Mocsta tries to make it acceptable that he doesn't post any analysis at all. Later on he even said that he had a slight scumread on Omni even before making this post. Even in his opening post he quotes cakepie to say that policy lynching is not an substitute for active scumhunting. Yet he still wants to kill TeMiL because he is not contributing, even thought Mocsta later say that he is 100% town. This is certainly suspicious. Going after the easy target, he would not have to fabricate lies to make his case good. Mocstas case on OmniEulogycDgCorazon giving his opinion on itI will not repeat what Corazon said, so you should read that too. Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 10:37 OmniEulogy wrote:
Whoa didn't expect it to start tonight. I'm extremely tired guys and I was about to go to sleep till I saw the PM. I'll catch up tomorrow when I wake up x.x
Quickly though - for those of you who played with me last game my views stay the same for Policy lynches.
We shouldn't lynch the lurkers D1 just because they aren't active, we need to actively scum hunt and push our top scum reads. I WILL lynch liars though. Townies don't need to lie in this game.
That's all I've got to say about that I'm looking forward to this getting going! (1) Policy talk from all is typically meaningless fluff at the start. You say you will actively scum hunt.. but what have you contributed actively? A vote on zarepath.. because he votes no-lynch early game. that is not active scum hunting. That is prejudice. I can vote 100 people between now and deadline. its the vote at deadline that matters. First sign you need to step up your game.. the question is whether town or scum motivation. Why doesn't Mocsta consider Omnis case on StriX as scumhunting? Omni gives out valid points against StriX, but he ignore this as a contributing early and later attacks Omni based on the case even though he himself said it was one of Omnis key posts. Contradicting yourself in the same post. Feels scummy. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:33 OmniEulogy wrote:
##Unvote: Zarepath given the three/four pages I need to catch up in and what I have read so far I don't believe my vote should still rest on Zare for this lynch. I think he has now contributed more than several others and it would be worse for town to lose him at this moment. I think TeMiL is just really bad town so I wont be voting for him either. I'll have a longer post written up shortly. (7) Interesting. The justification is quite weak to remove the vote.. He has contributed? big whoop, this is a piss poor attempt to move onto another target. You are admitting here your actual vote justification was weak, or even just sheeping. Again, how does that help town win? It is interesting how Mocsta sees Omni retracting his vote as scum, when he himself retracts his stance on Omni with even worse reasoning. His opinion on Omni changes even before he has taken his time to read the thread properly? If he didn't read the thread just what on earth made Mocsta change his opinion? Knowing Omni is town would be one and only mafia 100% that someone is town. Starts off copy/pasting my comments. Goes back into policy lynch talking..
Omni just quoted Mocsta a bit, and he ha sn't even said that he waited a big post from StriX. And there is no policy talk, Omni just says that StriX mentioning zarepaths no-lynch policy is not a big contribution. Omni is not doing the policy talking, he is attacking StriX for talking policy. It seems as though Mocsta didn't even read Omnis post properly, or that he is trying to come up with arguments for his case, even when none exist. How is this town minded at all? It isn't, it is telltale scum behavior. Then finishes off with more policy talk. I assumed he realised the justification for the vote was weak, so decided to spruce it up with some policy justification.
Omni is not using policy lynching as an argument anywhere in his case. What Omni actually states is that StriX being suspicious of zarepath because of the no-lynch and then backtracking on it, saying that he (StriX) doesn't consider the no-lynch so scummy anymore, is, in fact, scummy behavior. Intentianally missunderstanding someone is scummy
All in all, your case is weak. You twist Omnis words to fit your reasonig, and post the case late causing confusion, even though you had your suspicions for a while. This is really scummy. These cases of yours reek of scum mentality. First going after the easy target with TeMiL and then going after Omni hoping for a last minute confusion bandwagon. I will split up the analysis and go through the posts adressing everyone separately. + Show Spoiler [Leading a single person] +Mocsta is trying to make others think for him. Asking others to do something for you is scummy. + Show Spoiler [Leading everyone] +Mocsta creates discussions, making him seem more of an townie, but in reality he is leading everyones thoughts. He is making everyone think for him while his actual contributions remains at a minimum. These will be split into to categories: posts where Mocsta defends himself and posts where he reasons without someone asking for it. + Show Spoiler [Defenses] +Mocsta makes his stance on Corazon clear. His is placing his vote on Cora to fabricate giving pressure. It is easy for him to back of stating that he should not pay attention to previous games, but this one.He defends his ask questions but do not answear them-policy. A beatiful way to avoid Syls question while making it seem that just asking questions is giving his thoughs on everything. And says he is not going to comment on the zare/Syl conversation. How is this town oriented?Mocsta defends his vote on TeMiL. He defends his coming voteswitch. He defends presenting his case late. Mocsta defends his read on Omni. Then he defends his townread on StriX. Mocsta townread is based on giving dispensation to StriX, not on his actions. What? Mocsta can't give us a single action of StriXs with town motives and still considers him town? This is just an excuse for what he said earlier.And he defends his lack of analysis. Another post defending the Omni case. And yet another post defending the Omni case. Mocstas hint to changing his opinion on Omni just seems as a hindsight way of avoiding responsibility.
And nowhere do I state that I am any good at analysing. It seems he is missinterpretetting this post in which I state that random accusations will lead us next to nowhere.Mocsta defending his vote on me while reasoning not to lynch TeMiL. Notice how he is still not giving his reasonings but letting others figure them out? This is not town play.
And he does not address the case of a misslynch, which was the orginal point of Syl: not bringing us to a point were TeMiLs vote decides the game.He finally addresses Sylencias point of TeMiL being maybe scum while defending not lynching TeMiL. Still doesn't address if he is in the event of a misslynch okay with TeMiLs vote deciding the game. Because he is scum and this would actually benefit him.Mocsta defends himself against me pointing out his bad logic on his Omni case. Why the heck doesn't he bother to write down what is wrong with my reasoning? If there actually was something wrong with it, why not point it out? It is because he is trying to undermine my credibility in fear of the actual case.He defends not lynching TeMiL. He just theorises about random lynching while providing nothing new.Another post defending not lynching TeMiL. Again not giving his thoughs on whether he thinks it is okay to have TeMiLs vote decide the game.Mocsta defending not lynching TeMiL and his vote on me. In what basicly is a summary post.Mocsta defending his statement that town is winning. How can anyone think that town is winning? If we don't lynch scum now, it's LYLO the next day.Mocsta defending his various arguments. Then he defends Omni, without actually telling us why he considers him town. Notica also how he treats his case on Omni as two players misscommuncating. Even though most of Mocstas points do not stem from a dialog.After D1 until my vote on him, Mocsta is very defensive, not contributing much of anything else than his defenses. + Show Spoiler [Orginal reasonings] +Mocsta reason in advance his voteswitch. Mocsta giving his general musings. Basicly a summary post, where he states that Spag is his top read. If Spag is his top read why not vote for him? Or atleast provide a case? This is classic scummy behavior.Mocsta theorising associations. He has stated many times before that he doesn't want to make association cases. Yet what does he do now?As we can see he doesn't reason much if something isn't asked from him. Not giving information is scummy. Mocsta advocating that we have a good chance to lynch scum, but is not scumhunting himself. These post seems just a way to pressure others to jump on the bandwagon Mocsta has been building on me. Very scummy. He is leading others while his contributions remain subpar. Not giving information is a huge scumtell and not voting for your top scum read while constantly changing it without reasonings is really scummy. If Mocsta doesn't flip scum, I'm utterly confused. I leave you with StriXs final post before his lynching: Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 09:38 StriX wrote:
Seems the fire is burning full flame. You're very good at baiting me into responding.
I now believe the mafia pair to be Omni + Mocsta. Mocsta until this point has been baiting jampidampi into me and is using this vote to clear himself. Mocsta also very cleverly uses this out of character last minute post case on OmniEulogy to clear himself after my flip. It becomes even more suspicious when I mention IF mocsta doesn't die as if I am the one who chooses (mia cupla).
Be very careful of the leading nature of Mocsta's Question time. OmniEulogy is very good at rehashing made points.
That is all.
TL;DR
jampidampi makes case against confirmed town StriX
jampidampi makes case against confirmed town Mocsta
jampidampi makes case against confirmed town Mocsta
Questions - @jampidampi filter,
(a) + Show Spoiler [Flying Under the Radar] ++ Show Spoiler +On January 03 2013 16:25 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 10:36 cDgCorazon wrote:
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(2) How would the mafia try to get us to mislynch a townie? By not being suspicious. If they are careful and appear as townies, we don't have a way of identifying them as scum. Just flying under the radar while townies aggressively blame eachother leading to a misslynch is a perfect mafia D1. You specifically mention "flying under the radar" as a good mafia trait to perfect. Your filter is 1.5 pages; and many confirmed townies have questioned your post integrity. Anyone would think that low post count, and low quality count is equivalent to flying under the radar... a trait you mention is mafia aligned. Please explain.
(b) + Show Spoiler [StriX Case] +On January 04 2013 17:19 jampidampi wrote:After examing StriX filter, he feels scummy. Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 14:24 StriX wrote:
2. Feel like we're going a bit easy on TeMiL and I'd like to vote to lynch him right now. I delayed my vote due to suspecting lurking was due to timezone issues, however, I feel like we've given him long enough to contribute. He is also the only one to not respond to Mocsta's first set of questions.
As an idea Mocsta could you may
##Vote TeMil Targetting the easiest player to target: a lyrker with no contrinutions. In his last post he defends his vote on TeMiL with some previous game he played. Overall, he has no contributions to speak of and some of his plays are scummy. ##Vote StriX You promised before that it is acceptable to lynch a lurker if there is no better scum read. StriX does not have a scum read, so votes a lurker.. You call him out for this? Is that not odd? I happened to notice that StriX voted TeMiL.... a confirmed MAFIA.. do you not find it odd that when Strix votes a mafia player.. you retaliate by voting Strix? Please explain.
(c) + Show Spoiler [Summary] +On January 05 2013 19:12 jampidampi wrote:I will try to gather here the big events of D1 leading to the misslynch of StriX. 38. TeMiL comes out of nowhere and votes me. @Spaghetticus
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@Mocsta
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@zarepath... What is odd is that you acknowledge TeMiL votes for you (out of nowhere)... yet the 3 people you choose to question further are Spag, Mocsta and zarepath (all confirmed town). The rest of your filter does not question TeMiL...is it not odd that you accept this vote, and do not challenge it? Please explain.
(d) + Show Spoiler [Mocsta case(s)] +(1) On January 05 2013 02:29 jampidampi wrote:
@Sylencia
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You overlook the fact that I voted for him because he has no actions that have only town motives behind them.
(2) On January 08 2013 05:42 jampidampi wrote:
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They help Mocsta establish a protown image while making others appear as more suspicious.
So you admit I am establishing a town image, and by being protown implies only town motives.. yet you make a case on me? P.S. I am now confirmed town btw. Please explain.
(e) + Show Spoiler [Peculiarities] + (e.1) + Show Spoiler [Flying Under the Radar] +
Between your summary post, and the case on me. The only content you discussed pertained to setups. You did not actively scum hunt, and contribute in the on going discussion.
The time that elapsed between your summary post and the case on me was approximately 30 hrs. I understand you want all your posts to be meaningful; but that is not an acceptable time span between meaningful contributions.
If anything, it looks like "flying under the radar" a trait you described earlier in question (a) as a scum tendency.
Please explain.
(e.2) + Show Spoiler [Potential Slip] +On January 04 2013 16:26 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 08:38 OmniEulogy wrote:... + Show Spoiler +From jampidampi: Regarding the QT question: If he was scum, he would have gotten the QT link with his role PM. Would anyone ask something they already know of? Or was it a way to get his scumbuddy to come to the QT? It is all just speculation, but I hope everyone here would have the brains to check out the QT from their PM.
Leaning towards town Something in that bolded area seems off to me. @Jampi could you clarify when you say everybody should check the QT link they get in their PM? The OP provided the role PMs for each role. In the scum role PMs there is a direct link to the scum QT... Your response was pretty standard answer to a question that any alignment could respond with. Considering all the questions I have regarding you above.. the behaviour patterns are looking scummy. Of course, I offered that olive branch, so in being open minded: Combining all the information I am now aware of, OmniEulogy question to you, appears as a genuine scum slip (on your behalf). Please explain.
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jampidampi.. i expect an answer to all the questions above by the time I wake up tomorrow.. i.e. ~12-14hrs from now.
I do not require formalised responses... dot points are enough to address the concerns.
If you answer satisfactorily, we shall progress to Sylencia.
Thank you for your efforts
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Votecount:
jampidampi (1): Sylencia
Not Voting (3): jampidampi, Mocsta, zarepath
Currently, jampidampi is set to be lynched! 35 hours remaining until the deadline.
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If a JK and an RB role block each other, do they both receive notifications?
In the above scenario, if the RB is also the mafia's kill targeter and he happens to target the JK, does the kill happen successfully?
The OP confuses me in this scenario between "Roleblockers roleblocking each other will roleblock both of them." and "All successful roleblocks will result in the target being notified."
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1) Yes
2) No
It's pretty clear imo:
Roleblockers roleblocking each other will roleblock both of them.
Roleblocker A blocking Roleblocker B who tries to roleblock Randomguy C will result in only B being roleblocked.
All successful roleblocks will result in the target being notified.
One person on the mafia team may carry out the kill each night. The mafia can choose not to kill. The mafia can kill each other. If the mafia member chosen to kill on a particular night is roleblocked, no kill will occur. The roleblocker can roleblock somebody and perform the nightkill in the same night, should you choose to do so.
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You specifically mention "flying under the radar" as a good mafia trait to perfect.
Your filter is 1.5 pages; and many confirmed townies have questioned your post integrity. Anyone would think that low post count, and low quality count is equivalent to flying under the radar... a trait you mention is mafia aligned. I think we don't agree on the meaning of the phrase "flying under the radar". To me it means to go unnoticed, that is to say, acting so that no suspicions of you arise. To you it seems to mean not posting. If my intention was not to rise suspicions, I would have acted, since almost everyone in this game had the policy of "lynch all lurkers" or at least "suspect all lurkers".
Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 17:19 jampidampi wrote:After examing StriX filter, he feels scummy. On January 04 2013 14:24 StriX wrote:
2. Feel like we're going a bit easy on TeMiL and I'd like to vote to lynch him right now. I delayed my vote due to suspecting lurking was due to timezone issues, however, I feel like we've given him long enough to contribute. He is also the only one to not respond to Mocsta's first set of questions.
As an idea Mocsta could you may
##Vote TeMil Targetting the easiest player to target: a lyrker with no contrinutions. In his last post he defends his vote on TeMiL with some previous game he played. Overall, he has no contributions to speak of and some of his plays are scummy. ##Vote StriX You promised before that it is acceptable to lynch a lurker if there is no better scum read. StriX does not have a scum read, so votes a lurker.. You call him out for this? Is that not odd?
Lurkers contribute nothing to town, so if we don't get a scumread, I think lynching a lurker is fine D1. We as in all of us. Not just one.
I happened to notice that StriX voted TeMiL.... a confirmed MAFIA.. do you not find it odd that when Strix votes a mafia player.. you retaliate by voting Strix? Three other players voted on StriX, not just me. If my suspicions of StriX would be just him voting for TeMiL, why would others have voted for him?
Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 19:12 jampidampi wrote:I will try to gather here the big events of D1 leading to the misslynch of StriX. 38. TeMiL comes out of nowhere and votes me. @Spaghetticus
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@Mocsta
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@zarepath... What is odd is that you acknowledge TeMiL votes for you (out of nowhere)... yet the 3 people you choose to question further are Spag, Mocsta and zarepath (all confirmed town). The rest of your filter does not question TeMiL...is it not odd that you accept this vote, and do not challenge it?
(1) Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 02:29 jampidampi wrote:
@Sylencia
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You overlook the fact that I voted for him because he has no actions that have only town motives behind them.
(2) Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 05:42 jampidampi wrote:
...(Accusation)
They help Mocsta establish a protown image while making others appear as more suspicious.
So you admit I am establishing a town image, and by being protown implies only town motives.. yet you make a case on me?
Between your summary post, and the case on me. The only content you discussed pertained to setups. You did not actively scum hunt, and contribute in the on going discussion.
The time that elapsed between your summary post and the case on me was approximately 30 hrs. I understand you want all your posts to be meaningful; but that is not an acceptable time span between meaningful contributions.
If anything, it looks like "flying under the radar" a trait you described earlier in question (a) as a scum tendency. I was hoping that my speculation would have given an in-between-the-lines meaning of "I'm accusing Omni of faking the claim and thus being scum", which would then have prompted you to defend or attack him. Sadly this was not case, maybe I should have just openly stated the hidden meaning. Remember, at that time I though you were scum and you were not answearing my question.
Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 16:26 jampidampi wrote:On January 04 2013 08:38 OmniEulogy wrote:... + Show Spoiler +From jampidampi: Regarding the QT question: If he was scum, he would have gotten the QT link with his role PM. Would anyone ask something they already know of? Or was it a way to get his scumbuddy to come to the QT? It is all just speculation, but I hope everyone here would have the brains to check out the QT from their PM.
Leaning towards town Something in that bolded area seems off to me. @Jampi could you clarify when you say everybody should check the QT link they get in their PM? The OP provided the role PMs for each role. In the scum role PMs there is a direct link to the scum QT... Your response was pretty standard answer to a question that any alignment could respond with. Considering all the questions I have regarding you above.. the behaviour patterns are looking scummy. Of course, I offered that olive branch, so in being open minded: Combining all the information I am now aware of, OmniEulogy question to you, appears as a genuine scum slip (on your behalf).
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Thanks to Dandel Ion, I feel very confident in confirming Mocsta as town. It's possible that he was the RBer but WASN'T the one to kill Omni, but that would be impossible because TeMiL was replaced and then NOT replaced.
So either Jampi or Syl.
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Zare, do you have any questions to me? I am online right now, but will be gone after about 2 hours. It would benefit you to have your questions answeared immediately so that you have as much time as possible to decide between me and Syl.
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Um, who do you think is mafia and why? I don't know, I haven't seen a real compelling case for Syl as mafia.
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And jampi, you didn't answer the few questions I asked you either.
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@Zare:
By process of elimination:
I know I'm town.
Spag claimed to have checked you and said you were town, when Spag flipped cop you became confirmed town.
Omni claimed to block Mocsta last night so that a kill by Mocsta would not have gone through. So when Omni flipped JK, Mocsta became confirmed town.
The only one left is Sylencia, so he must be mafia.
@Syl:
I didn't feel a need to pressure TeMiL. Allmost everyone was already doing that at allmost every point it was relevant. I did not considers lynching TeMiL an option if I could lynch my top scumread instead.
As to why would TeMiL vote for the same target as you:
Due to the logic you stated, TeMiL flipping scum is a way to reduce your suspicions. I actually believe that from the start, your idea was to use TeMiL only as a way to make you seem less scummy. That is why you were not afraid to lynch him during D2. You realised that TeMiL would not be able to play as well as you do and you made him your endgame gambit.
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On January 10 2013 01:11 jampidampi wrote:
EBWOP
Vote: Sylencia
You got it right the first time around :/
The format, that is. Typos don't matter much. it's all about the "##"s
Votecount:
jampidampi (1): Sylencia
Sylencia (1): jampidampi
Not Voting (2): Mocsta, zarepath
Currently, jampidampi is set to be lynched! 31.5 hours remaining until the deadline.
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Notice Sylencias voting?
Day 1
- Voting on zarepath
Totally OMGUS
- Unvoting
Totally not taking his vote seriously
- Voting on me
Totally voting for an easy lynch
Day 2
- Voting on TeMiL
Totally putting his gambit into effect
- Voting on Omni
Totally trying to lynch the player he though was blue.
Evidence: since we have a cop and a JK, there is a scum RB. TeMiL was a goon. Omni got RB N1.
- Voting on me
Totally realising that town won't lynch Omni
- Voting on Spag
Totally a bandwagon vote
Notice how Syl never pressures his scumread, at all. All he does is make a case on someone, then forgets about it. He doesn't even pressure them before making the case. His votes come and go with impulsive traits. It seems that it doesn't matter to him who is lynched. This is even seen in his reasoning on staying on me D1.
On January 05 2013 10:47 Sylencia wrote:
Actually zere, my voting of either does not change anything, other than possibly Temil seeing only 2 targets on the board and darting one of them, which come to think of it, might've happened.
If I voted Strix, same result. If I voted OE, same result. If I had voted OE, there would be a very low chance of any votes shifting as well. Why? Most people already stated why they voted for one or the other. If Strix was scum, there would be wagoning over to the other side, but he was not, so the result would have ended up the same in either case. A townies most powerful (and only) weapon is his vote, so why is Syl not using his vote as effetively as possible? Because he doesn't care who gets lynched, since he knows it will probably not be the ones he would like to have lynched.
And interestingly, on D2 Syl switching his vote does not change the situation at all (Spag already had 3 votes on him). Why is he switching D2, not mention close to the deadline, in a similar situation in which he did not switch D1? Even though his time it was his scumread (me) versus someone he has not been suspicious of since D1 (spag)? He says nothing to point that he is suspicious of Spag, yet Syl wants to lynch Spag instead of lynching his top scum read. Syl has had his suspicions of me since D1, yet instead of making his stance on me clear, he switches to Spag.
That is it for today, will inspect Syl more closely tomorrow.
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jampi, I'm less interested in the fact you supposedly think Syl is scum simply because you are NOT, and more interested in how you would persuade me and Mocsta that Syl is scum.
I find it more likely that you helped push a StriX lynch along when Mocsta asked you to look at him, and TeMiL voted for you when it was clear you wouldn't be lynched and you could create distance between yourselves. It is the only conceivable reason I can think of for TeMiL randomly voting for you in that way (although I could think of no conceivable reason that he needed us to tell him what countries we were from, either.)
As has been said, you've never even mentioned TeMiL, most of your posts are summaries or weak defenses for your non participation, and reading Syl's filter, I just don't see the case for him being mafia.
If you can go through his filter and give me a compelling read as to how he is scum, I will switch my vote. But until then, I am voting for you.
##Vote: jampidampi
Note that because you've reached 2 votes before Syl will, even if Mocsta thinks that Syl is mafia, you will still be lynched. You have to persuade me that Syl is mafia, not that you are not mafia, or else you will be lynched.
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EBWOP: Didn't see your analysis until after I posted that. I'll look over it, but I think it would benefit you to come up with more rigorous and specific argumentation.
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