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On February 04 2013 19:50 RockHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2013 19:17 Nova_Terra wrote:On February 04 2013 18:57 RockHydra wrote:
Easy,
as town you want to analyse scum behavior. If you can be sure someone is scum, this helps in the analyzing of the other scum. If you hold this option open too long you limit yourself.
Anyone that seriously want to analyse scum would assume xfire is scum by now.
Only scum of course can really be sure who is scum. Scum knows this and might try to not appear too convinced of somebodys role.
/zebezt Ok Thing is i do assume that hes scum, i just aknowledge the slight chance that he isnt (which is still growing smaller) What you say here does not match with what you wrote here: Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 18:45 Nova_Terra wrote:
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If Crossfire indeed flips scum, we need to take a look at these interactions:
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If you assume he is scum, you don't need to wait for a flip. is that burning smell coming from your pants? /zebezt PS: DFTP stop nagging! after work I said
No, i do not see how that disagrees with what i said
You can keep trying tho
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On February 04 2013 23:53 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Possibilities of terrible terrible damage:
Clockwork: minimum of 12.
Poster: 11
Rock: 7
Stutters: 3
Nova: 4?
Suck: 0
AS: 0
Total: 37. This is enough to kill AS and Suck assuming there is no life-gaining and Xfire doesn't fuck us over. Assuming SnB is a douche and uses his enchantress thingy to block, there is a total of 35 damage dealt. This is still enough to kill both.
General mtg advice:
@Stutters: by playing Gaea's Anthem and a bear now, you not only get +1 damage this turn, but +2 next turn. This game has probably ended by then. Also, you have no land at all in your hand?
@Rock: you can attack anybody you like with your Phyrexian thingy, so attack us: we won't block it. Then ninja in your giant beasty to do 5 damage to the target you actually want to kill.
@Nova: your creature pumping thing is an instant and can be cast in the attack phase. Phrase it conditionally to pump 2 creatures that are attacking and are not blocked.
How do i do that? I'm still magic newbie. can you give me an example?
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On February 05 2013 01:05 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:14 Nova_Terra wrote:On February 04 2013 23:53 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Possibilities of terrible terrible damage:
Clockwork: minimum of 12.
Poster: 11
Rock: 7
Stutters: 3
Nova: 4?
Suck: 0
AS: 0
Total: 37. This is enough to kill AS and Suck assuming there is no life-gaining and Xfire doesn't fuck us over. Assuming SnB is a douche and uses his enchantress thingy to block, there is a total of 35 damage dealt. This is still enough to kill both.
General mtg advice:
@Stutters: by playing Gaea's Anthem and a bear now, you not only get +1 damage this turn, but +2 next turn. This game has probably ended by then. Also, you have no land at all in your hand?
@Rock: you can attack anybody you like with your Phyrexian thingy, so attack us: we won't block it. Then ninja in your giant beasty to do 5 damage to the target you actually want to kill.
@Nova: your creature pumping thing is an instant and can be cast in the attack phase. Phrase it conditionally to pump 2 creatures that are attacking and are not blocked. How do i do that? I'm still magic newbie. can you give me an example? Lets say I attack Suck with 4 zombies. You can then do the following (in the attack phase): ##tap lands
##cast Blades of Veling Vel after blockers are declared, but before damage goes on the stack (time 3 in OP). Target: 2 unblocked zombie tokens.
Of course, if there are no unblocked zombies, you might have to do something different, but for now that looks unlikely. You also don't have to target my zombies, but can target any other unblocked creature if you disagree with who my zombies attack.
Makes sense, thanks
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Currently on my scumometer Aperture=Suck>Rockhydra=Stutters.
This means that i find that we should kill Aperture or suck today.
My issue with killing suck is that marv doesnt seem to give a shit and hes bitching like its no problem. would scum marv do this? I knoe its WIFOM, but i still doubt it.
I would also be more apt to want to lynch RH over stutters as he is more of a danger in both deck and play.
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The point that CH needs to be able to be killed is a valid one, and i worry about that.
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On February 05 2013 22:42 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Okay, lets get this shit done. Poster, where are you? I took a brief flit over your filter and your activity was sky high on D1, moderate on D2 and D3 you have dropped off the face of the planet. Where are you? What are your current reads? AS, where's your Rock analysis? You promised us a Rock analysis, but I don't see it. I want to save you, but I need your help. Please be a productive member of town, rather than dropping away now that town does not necessarily want to kill you.
Acro's readsThe towniesClockwork -- flipping duh. Stutters -- in addition to the earlier town tell, he is pigheadedly stubborn. If scum, he is willfully angering the bear (hur hur hur) by playing the wrong cards. For what? Extra damage after the game has ended. Pointless. Aperture -- fork you. Yes, I went there  Poster -- I may need to take a closer look at him, but I have no reason to doubt my D1 and D2 reads on him. Also, unleashed total annihilation on Xfire with 3 chain lightnings. I see no reason to claim 3 CLs (maybe 1) if he's scum. The may be scum if we're wrongiesRock, Nova. Not much to say yet, I have to filter them properly and kinda don't feel like it (so much work). They both gave D1 town impressions and have been doing jack since. We can't do enough damage to kill either of them anyway. I vote people distribute their damage over these targets, see plan below. The kill with fire-iesSuck -- Zombies snacking on his brains will be a feast for my eyes.
Scumhunting by mutual destructionDamage potential: Suck: 0 AS: 0 Poster: 7 Clock: 11 Nova: 4 Rock: 7 Stutters: 2 Suck is at 18 life and has a blocker (assuming he is not following his own policy), so Rock's 2/2 Ninja, Poster's BL and my Zombie tokens attack Suck. Nova gives +2/+0 to 2 unblocked creatures (or the ball lightning and 1 unblocked creature). That should bring him down to 0. We then have a Lavamancer, a Ghoul, a Phyrexian Stalker and a Bear that can do an extra 11 damage. Tell me where that should go. My current opinion is that the stalker should hit Nova, allowing it to become a 5/5 Ninja and reanimating a 4/4 changeling. This also allows Nova's Cryptoplasm to become 5/5 next upkeep. The rest attacks Rock and does 6 damage. In compensation for Nova not blocking the Ninja, Rock does not block the incoming damage. Reasoning: if Suck inadvertently isn't scum, then I am pretty convinced Rock or Nova is. If Suck IS scum, then none of this damage matters. If Suck is NOT scum, then both are in a position to unleash destruction on each other next turn with big creatures AND both are sufficiently lowered so the big creatures can finish the job. An unearthed Ball Lightning, the rampaging horde of zombies and a 4/4 bear will all be around to help out. Hell, maybe AS goes off and kills us all. Nova: will you be around tomorrow during the blocking phase? If not, this all doesn't work, because we need you to block a Phyrexian Stalker if Rock decides to block damage-dealing beasties. Other objections: but this assumes Clockwork, Stutters, Poster, and to a certain extent AS, are town! Regarding myself, see the post above, read my filter and get comfortable with it. Regarding Stutters, see above. Regarding Poster, I am still comfortable with him being town, despite the dropoff in activity and regarding AS: it only assumes AS is town to the extent that it assumes he is either town, or won't go off tomorrow. There is no way of really assessing this risk, but I am currently comfortable with it (I think he's town). /Acro
I should be here for maybe 15 minutes for the block phase.
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On February 06 2013 02:04 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:Well marv, the thing is that S&B going completely AFK and you guys being somewhat "lazy" does make me paranoid. Anyways: NovaFilter from the previous MTG game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345422&user=255225Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 16:00 Nova_Terra wrote:On January 30 2013 15:54 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
I find these 2 consecutive "fluffy" posts of Suck and Cross where both come out of seemingly nowhere to then go AFK, both attack CH for (IMO) weak reasons, yet neither of them even mention the other.....weird, and that's an understatement.
/G This this this this 1000x. Bothers me way more than aperture/igrok and his pms or whatever. Im going to try to get a short analysis of why i find suck to be scummy during work. I found this post a little "townie" before, since he was so excited about making an analysis and the like.... ...but on suck Take a closer look, I say "I find these....posts by Suck and Cross....weird". But Nova says "This this this.....I'm going to make an analysis on suck". Why doesn't he mention Cross at all? He also goes on with his IRL excuses and posts his Suck case way late, and keeps ignoring Cross, when he said he was suspicious of Cross initially Specially after making this post: Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 07:06 Nova_Terra wrote:
If there isnt muh additional posting and help made by crossfire and stutters by tomorrow, i will be significantly more worried about those two. Him ignoring Xfire.. confirmed scum like that, is too convenient. Also, maybe it's me, but it is weird seeing Nova make "big" cases. I don't remember him doing any case at all last game. Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088¤tpage=41#810It strikes me as odd, compared to last game, and compared to Nova at least "trying" to appear like he did last game (with all his one-liners and the like) Also last game, he did have a time of 24 or so hours where he was AFK, but he was pretty active every other time. In this game I don't even know if he posted anything ever since T2...did he? In the previous game, he was carefree at all times. In this game it seemed he tried appearing so only initially, but now you can see some "serious" posts of his every now and then. Also, yeah, he said he'd "keep an eye out" on Cross, yet the first time he finds him suspicious is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088¤tpage=47#924T1 Attack Phase, when cases and cases against Xfire were made like 30 hours earlier or so, yet he ignored all of those to "make his Suck case". Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 02:55 Nova_Terra wrote:
Alright, im here. Sucks that we cant kill xfre today, but in a way im glad that the talk is off dealing damage to him, cause frankly i have nothing to add to that conversation in both conversation and damage ._.
i'm quite unsure as to the 2nd scum. I will read through stutters filter as a response to the current case, which i dont find to be damning but does have some valid points, for instance his contradictions.
For a hydra scum, i'd be somewhere between aperture and rock. I'll think about it and let you guys know.
Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 15:36 Nova_Terra wrote:
Currently on my scumometer Aperture=Suck>Rockhydra=Stutters.
This means that i find that we should kill Aperture or suck today.
My issue with killing suck is that marv doesnt seem to give a shit and hes bitching like its no problem. would scum marv do this? I knoe its WIFOM, but i still doubt it.
I would also be more apt to want to lynch RH over stutters as he is more of a danger in both deck and play. These are the only last post I remember him posting suspicions. And they don't seem Nova-like, with the "I'm quite unsure as to the 2nd scum" or "I'll think about it", and that kind of phrasing. That 1st post of his there seems all fluffy, posting summaries (about Xfire) and the like. I guess I can ignore the "thinks Xfire can flip town" thing that would be kind of dumb to do as scum. /G
I'm not even going to try to defend this cause if you want to see it that way go ahead, im not gonna stop you. However I think that I can use a Marv defense here and say that my scum play is much better than what you give credit it for
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On February 06 2013 03:08 Nova_Terra wrote:
I'm not even going to try to defend this cause if you want to see it that way go ahead, im not gonna stop you. However I think that I can use a Marv defense here and say that my scum play is much better than what you give credit it for
Oh and thats probably a scumslip to add to the case, you know give it credit for and all
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On February 06 2013 03:52 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Eh Nova...you can really use marv's excuse like only if you like single-handily won a game as scum before and you have a super scum play (like marv).
I don't even remember any game you being scum.
/G
You werent in them
it was pretty sexy tho.
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On February 06 2013 03:26 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Nova, you are okay with the part where you take 5 damage in the plan?
taking 5 damage is fine, whatever
as long as rockhydra dies when i do thats cool with me
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1. I have the feeling that you are wrong on Marv
2. I'd be cool with killing appy today and getting rid of a defender or two of RockHydra's
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Like, make him block or claim scum,
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On February 06 2013 05:28 Nova_Terra wrote:
Like, make him block or claim scum,
actually derp, i dunno if the damage would even kill his blockers. they would have to for this to make sense tho
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On February 06 2013 03:13 RockHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 03:08 Nova_Terra wrote:
I'm not even going to try to defend this cause if you want to see it that way go ahead, im not gonna stop you. However I think that I can use a Marv defense here and say that my scum play is much better than what you give credit it for If this is your town play, then your scum play probably sucks as well.  /zebezt
Didnt notice this
You should go choke on a large cryptoplasm
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Artanis, as cryptoplasm usually copies during upkeep, when should i declare the copy?
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On February 06 2013 06:06 Aperture Science wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 06:01 Nova_Terra wrote:On February 06 2013 03:13 RockHydra wrote:On February 06 2013 03:08 Nova_Terra wrote:
I'm not even going to try to defend this cause if you want to see it that way go ahead, im not gonna stop you. However I think that I can use a Marv defense here and say that my scum play is much better than what you give credit it for If this is your town play, then your scum play probably sucks as well. /zebezt Didnt notice this You should go choke on a large cryptoplasm Perhaps... THE MIMEOPLASM
Holy god thats sick
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Im kinda thinking that theres nothing worth copying
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Okay, next turn is that? Cause i might not be able to copy it if its played next turn (upkeep step)
5/5 sounds good tho
I could also champion my crypto next turn for a 7/7, but summoning sickness and all...
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On February 06 2013 06:40 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
/snb
ps i suck butts
I wouldnt doubt it for a second
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On February 06 2013 06:47 RockHydra wrote:
lol @ nova still not knowing what is going on
/zebezt
I kinda miss things when im trying to keep my job, I'll admit
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