On November 08 2012 03:37 Crossfire99 wrote: Moist (but he's not really a superhero, more like a member of the Henchmen Union)
I'm not going to answer your question about when I asked iGrok because I don't know if that's allowed. I pm'd him and will see what he says.
Just a note, but if we lynched a scum day 2 and there were only 2 scum left night 2, scum would have only had 1 shot because mafia kp is # of mafia/2 rounded up. So 2/2 = 1 which still rounds up to 1.
Lol I might have misunderstood how MtG actions resolve because I don't play MtG and iGrok told me they resolve like MtG. I believe my point still stands, though, because he listed my actions in the middle of his list and not at the beginning or the end.
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Anyways, I think his rage is completely over the top, but his reads match up with his actions around putting mana into minds aglow, as well as his indignant response to gonzaw when called out for it. He doesn't have to stop and think about why he's upset, he knows immediately that he didnt want to give CH zombies. I dislike that he didn't talk about anything, but then again, why would scum intentionally shroud their actions? I don't think they would. I don't want to attack crossfire, he doesn't make sense as scum to me. Here's another example:
On January 30 2013 04:33 RockHydra wrote: -snipped- Regarding Xfire, and what I asked Acro to expand upon -> If you haven't seen cross' mafia play from Mario mini, consult with Dandel (he co-hosted). I believe I can "feel" his enthusiasm towards this game and based on what I've seen of his scum play, my gut-read is town on him from his opening post alone. Obviously this is a meta read, but his filter is too short to make anything more than that out of it. -snipped-
I'm going to quote what I send in Parallel World Mafia because the same thing applies here.
On December 13 2012 11:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Judging by Mario, crossfire is not scum, or at least not showing it thus far.
Oh, how nice of you. Thank you for the vote of confidence. To be completely honest though, most of what happened in Mario was due to two things. 1) That thread was way way way too active for my taste. I absolutely hated it, and would have hated it even if I was town. 2) Real life screwed me over hard during that game. I was away for the first half of day 1 and didn't think it was going to be an issue at all, but was an issue because of the activity level. Additionally, my internet really did crap out on me and make me unable to use the 3 hours I had to planned to devote to that game. I had no idea what to do after that, so i did my random stuff with 1 hr to go before the most hilarious, crazy, and random lynch I have ever been a part of.
Anyway that turned out to be way longer than I thought it would be. Whatever. lol
I had a double-take upon reading this post. I say I have a townread on cross, and he posts something that basically says my reasoning is irrelevant. I don't see why scum would bother telling me to question myself when I had a townread.
Hey all. I'm around again. I must say this is a pretty active group. I'm gonna be making a case on xfire now... although most things have kinda been said on that, but maybe I'll find something new. I'll get back with that in a sec. Then hopefully I also have time to read up on all the stuff going on with SuckMyTopdeck
On January 29 2013 08:53 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Also, if someone even dares to play a 0/X creature with no abilities, then I'll seriously have to consider "policy lynching" you
Why 0/X creatures suck: If you are scum, then it means that you have 1 blockable and basically indestructible monster. Thus, town have to spend more effort/time to kill you, thus you survive longer
If you are town, then it means that maybe a random scum won't attack you directly that easy....maybe?
If you are town, try to establish your innocence (preferably following the commandments above). If you do, then no townie should attack you AT ALL the whole game. If scum want to attack you, they have to FoS you first. If they do it badly the rest of town will fuck him up, so don't worry, don't be afraid and put a 0/X beast just to "defend" yourself.
If you do however, we also can't know if you are mafia or not, since 0/X creatures are good for mafia as well. So you basically confuse the hell out of town, and maybe even convince town to kill you
If you have a 0/X beast to play, please tell us first, and most importantly tell us why you are playing it, so we don't try to "policy kill" you. I'll heavily consider killing anybody that doesn't follow this. I also don't see many downsides to stating to the thread what you are playing before you do (if it's something unblockable, etc), so consider doing that.
For instance: I'm playing BlooodStained Mire, a land card right now
Has no effect at all for now (I'm not activating it until I consult with Prom)
My reasons for having 0/X creatures are completely separate from the merits of playing Mafia. They were selected based on the supposed synergy they provide for my deck. In addition, my deck was selected before my alignment so your entire argument is completely invalidated. I have 0/X creatures and I will play them because they further my goals, and ultimately the town's goals since I need my deck to function in order to do anything. If you feel the need to policy an 0/X creature, you're doing it wrong. ~Hopeless
I'm headed out to dinner.
Here you say they further your goals, which is presumably to play ninjas. However, the first thing you actually DO with them is:
On January 31 2013 08:28 RockHydra wrote: <snip> I have no reason to attack this turn, so I'm not gonna. I wouldn't mind if cross pointed his goblin guide at me since I can block it with minimal/no repercussions (aside from a tapped goblin).
~Hopeless
AKA keep them as a blocker.
Why the inconsistency in play? I'm starting to agree with SnB here. If a creature can attack, it should be.
/Acro
I have no mana with which to ninjutsu anything into play. Attacking with two 0/3 creatures for shits and giggles isn't my style unfortunately ~Hopeless
I disagree with the notion of everything that can attack should attack. However, I would only accept that if you were legitimately doing other things, instead of simply not attacking. The combat phase is like the voting structure, so if you either don't have creatures, or you have abilities that you want to use instead of attacking, I would like an explanation of what you intend to do and why. In addition, if you cannot contribute to the attacking phase itself, I'd like input on who you would like to have focused down, if anyone.
You only accept people not attacking if they are legitimately doing other things. You are not. Why you contradict yourself?
That was in the context that attacking might actually have an impact. 0/3 creatures don't have an impact in my opinion. Me attacking is like laying an FoS, and then refusing to vote at the deadline. Are you trying to get me to leave myself open so you can throw all your zombies at me?
Does no one else find Nova's case on Suck to be completely lacking on all fronts? He's had time and opportunity to come back and dissect maybe 1 more page of filter, but basically...hasn't. CH, you want me to send an empty thread at Nova to back up my statements?
On February 01 2013 04:45 Clockwork Hydra wrote: K, Rock's filter is nice and short and full of fluff. Of the two, my earlier town read on H1 has gone to a slight scum read. However, my earlier null read on Zebezt is moving towards the town spectrum.
I want to know how they are so incredibly schizophrenic, though. It's a great strategy as scum: Xfire is town! No! Xfire is scum!
So what's your stance on Xfire?
In fact, I am missing general scum reads, the whole filter is confusing in that sense. Lot of waffle, some town reads, but no pressure and no consolidated reads. If you had a 10/10 trample thingy, who would you attack? And why? Go.
/Acro
Nova for failing to substantiate why Suck is scum and the lack of follow up.
On January 29 2013 13:55 Crossfire99 wrote: Hi guys. Just so you know I'm a magic noob. I was supposed to hydra with Risen, but he dropped out and took all the magic knowledge with him lol. I'll try to do my best, but I'll probably still be dumb, therefore, feel free to correct me when I make mistakes because I know I will.
As for this whole Mind Glow issue. I only think a few mana total should be used on it because I don't think it is wise to discard so many cards because that's wasteful. I also don't think I would contribute mana to it because it seems like a big goal of using it is so Bin can get that Voyage card, which if I understand correctly won't help me at all. Risen seems to have had a fondness for non basic lands (all of my basic lands are already in play lol).
Oh, also can anyone that played in the first MTG Mafia summarize any hugely important things from it? Basically, I'm trying to think what is better, everyone attacking 1 person or everyone slowly whittling down everyone else, so they'll be easier to kill later. Typing that out makes me think that attacking 1 person is best because it will be as close to a normal lynch as possible, but I'm not sure with all this magic stuff, so I'm asking.
Making excuses for yourself is usually considered scummy, but this one isn't too bad in my book. The excuse is limited to mtg, and that seems a fair warning in this case. Saying discarding cards is wasteful is nonsense of course. We're not talking about the environment here. It might burn people through their decks faster, but that is a different thing. All in all, he is casting doubt on what is pretty good for town. Then about the lands.. only thinking about what is good for himself. Not what is good for town. Some will say "herpderp, but you cast 0/3 creatures that don't help anyone" that is completely different cause they will turn into awesome scumhunting ninjas! Also they did not prevent us from contributing to the Mind Glow.
After this post he goes on to defend the rights of players to defend themselves. A big percentage of his posts are devoted to this and the ensuing confusion. Might be noobiness, but still looks a lil scummy.
He then turns an accusing finger to CH.
On January 30 2013 14:43 Crossfire99 wrote: Now onto some scum hunting. Let's take a look at Clockwork shall we. Look at the contradiction at how he responds to virtually the same question: + Show Spoiler +
On January 30 2013 00:30 Clockwork Hydra wrote: -snipped- But the worst part is the last bit:
Oh, also can anyone that played in the first MTG Mafia summarize any hugely important things from it? Basically, I'm trying to think what is better, everyone attacking 1 person or everyone slowly whittling down everyone else, so they'll be easier to kill later. Typing that out makes me think that attacking 1 person is best because it will be as close to a normal lynch as possible, but I'm not sure with all this magic stuff, so I'm asking.
1. Can some over-eager townie please do all the hard work for me, by giving me a cliffnotes version of a long and complicated game? PS. All the time you spend summarizing that game for my lazy ass, you're not scumhunting, so doublescore one for me!
2. More MTG discussion, but this time with extra wishy wash! For the record: we focus down people. Why make it easier for the mafia creature to kill people? That is one of the mistakes made in the first game, which you would know if you had read it... like everybody has been telling you to.
The entire post is completely useless. It contributes nothing, yet tries to sound as if he is actually contributing, with a "novel" point on the use of Minds Aglow and a pointless question about policy. If this post didn't put you on instant red alert, your scumdar needs fixing.
What do you think were the "mistakes" town did in the previous game and the "reason" scum won that game?
Well, you mentioned quite a bit of it. They/you spent a LOT of time bickering about useless stuff (not just setup, but completely pointless stuff about setup) and town didn't play as a team (mainly due to everybody mistrusting each other for stupid shit). This game is fundamentally different from normal mafia games not just in that we kill with magic, but because we don't actually have a town-controlled KP.
It is thus twice as important to be an active townie, because we are a town TEAM. We need to work together, because our strength is in numbers. This turn people may be able to play one creature, which is a bit of a wimp. But if next turn we can all attack one player with wimps, that will be a healthy chunk of damage. If everybody goes off attacking their own favourite target without reasoning it out properly (like happened in the first 3 turns or so of the previous game), then we have lots of players at 16 life and one dead townie due to mafia creature. That is pointless, and last game was in fact harmful, because the mafia creature could one-shot people sooner than should have been possible (although mafia derped too when they missed an attack).
Do you agree with my commandments or not? (short answer please)
Yes, they're more elaborate forms of our own policies, with some stuff we forgot about.
/Acro
. Why is he so upset that I asked that question when before he thought it a completely relevant and important question to spend some time on a serious response? There is no reason for such a disparity in opinion.
Also, look at this post where they advise caution when powering up a single person + Show Spoiler +
On January 29 2013 08:42 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
On January 29 2013 08:25 Clockwork Hydra wrote: I know we're all excited to get this started, but can we please get over the trolling phase?
And, honestly, yes, signing IS important. Firstly there are umpteen hydras here and I don't even know which hydra belongs to whom. Secondly, your train of thought should be clear. It's unfair not just to me, but ot others in this game who may not be as familiar with most of you.
Also, assuming the first game did things right is a gross misrepresentation of that game. I read it at the time, and it was a concatenation of mistakes. Partially because people got setup speculation wrong in the beginning, and partially due to just plain bad play.
Scum won that game... and they won for a reason. Lets not repeat it.
What trolling phase? Who is trolling right now?
What do you think were the "mistakes" town did in the previous game and the "reason" scum won that game?
Do you agree with my commandments or not? (short answer please)
On January 29 2013 08:45 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Aperture, will you troll the whole game like this? If I want I could start fucking you up right now, I even have a card that can do it.
BinOnFire, you there? Wanna post about something?
rhetorical questions, already? huh.
As for your points, they're fairly straightforward.
The thing about #4 (also kinda applies to #5):
Sure it's a townies job to establish his townieness - but if everybody did that properly, we wouldn't need any policies in the first place, now.
I shall be reluctant to participate in plans when they result in a favorable position of somebody whose alignment I have no clue about. And I advise everybody to use the same caution in regards to this. On the other hand, I won't have any problems cooperating with people whose townieness I am sure of. (or at least if acro is, that's fine too)
~dandel
. Then look at how they throw caution to the wind and say everyone trust us and do what's best for us because they would benefit disproportionately from this Minds Aglow play with tons of mana put towards it + Show Spoiler +
On January 29 2013 11:00 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Okay so here's the thing:
We are running Zombie Infestation. (this badboy right here:+ Show Spoiler +
)
For that reason, we would have prefered Minds aglow next turn (and given all 3 mana, too!), but it seems like like it would be more beneficial to town in general this turn, than delaying until next turn
So if it's going to be today, we would REALLY like to cast zombie infestation this turn (instead of contributing mana). And of course still ask everyone else to use as much mana as humanly possible!
Not just the lurkers/scum! Everyone! Think of it as a group project!
I promise we're not crazy (or scum)
~dandel (with acro's consent)
. I mean it's not even 3 hours into day 1 yet. It would be one thing to just advocate power plays, but the fact they warn against them and say to be really careful, but then instantly say to back theirs is ridiculous.
Lastly, I already showed before how their attack on me was bad and all of this definitely has me thinking Clockwork is the first scum.
His first point is basically that he feels unfairly treated because CH bashed him for asking about the previous game, while answering somebody elses question about it. Ok.. it was a little unfair. But in no way proof that he is scum. His second point is that CH says he is "reluctant to participate in plans when they result in a favorable position of somebody whose alignment I have no clue about" but then is liking the mind glow a lot while it helps him most of all. This is of course in no way contradicting as CH explained later on. He knows his own alignment after all.
A lot of time passes and no posts appear, people point fingers... Then just before the deadline 2 creatures are cast. Was he just lurking this whole time? He claims to be busy, is anyone too busy to even drop a quick line? To say when they will be back?
On January 31 2013 08:01 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Wow Crossfire. I didn't think it'd be possible for there to be a "ninja-vote" in this kind of game, but you rock my mind dude.
You haven't even used mana for Join Forces. Yeah, I'm fine killing you; convince me otherwise
/G
Seriously, you want me to use mana for Join Forces, when I think Clockwork is the most scummy as of right now. Oh hey what's this post by you to suck:
On January 30 2013 16:41 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Final question (sorry for spamming people , I want these answered before I wake up though ):
@Suck: Why did you give 2 mana to Join Forces, if you know CH will use his Zombie thingy and use discarded cards to put zombies? You basically gave CH, your "top scumread", 1 zombie for free Why is this?
/G
This makes no sense seriously. I'm just...lask;dfjkl;sdjlakj.f...aaaaaarrrrrrgggggggggggggg...why are you attacking me for playing according to my reads...ajdsfljdfiopjdoajfp
On January 31 2013 08:21 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: I don't really give much of a crap you giving mana to Join Forces, but you could have done so "for the greater good", like apparently S&B did
What I do give a crap is you not doing anything for like 24 hours and showing up right before the deadline to cast some anti-town cards (like that Shaman one), and get 3 damage when nobody has any monsters themselves and some not even a way to defend themselves.
/G
I have a freaking life and it is pretty busy right now. I played at night when the started 2 days when i had time. I played at night last night when i had time. Now i am playing just when i got home. I really really really really really lrajljafl;dsfjal; klaldsfj want to attack you right now just cause of the crap you just said, but I know that is just me not thinking clearly because of what you said, so I'm not going to decide rihgt now. ughguigho
CROSSFIRE SMASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The underlined lines to me, seem like TRYING to sound angry. Is he the only person on the internet that does not know how to swear? I skimmed through some of his previous games. Nowhere does he ever type like this. In fact I notice most of the time he is getting along very well with everyone and laughing a lot. Not quite like this game. Suspicious
On January 31 2013 08:32 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: CH, you better not use all those zombies willy-nilly. Most people can't even block, so don't go doing anything stupid this attack cycle
Crossfire, that's all nice and dandy. I don't get why you are so angry at me though? I think you are scum, yet you go posting stuff like "iapdoujhoksjdfhnakjsdnaskdjn kjsdn" and shit I don't get it.
Also why did you choose to cast that Shaman card? I hope to god you never use an instant nor sorcery this game.
/G
Your right Gonzaw. Sorry, for getting so angry. There's a lot of crap going on irl causing me to be stressed and i'm getting way too pissed off at people saying where's crossfire. crossfire isn't here. crossfire needs to post more becaues I know i am literally using every free moment to play this game.
I hope we can have a clean start from here and i will try not to let me emotions get the best of me. Feel free to call me out again if I get too angry again. I don't want to play like that.
This is nice n fuzzy n all, but actually looks weird to me. Who moodswings like that? is he having PMS? This is the kind of apologetic that seems scummy to me.
After this people attack him for casting a creature that has an anti-town ability. While this is not completely fair, since he hasn't used the ability, he could have not cast the creature and instead have contributed to an extra card for everyone.
After all of this though, zero contribution to scumhunting except a TERRIBLE case aimed at CH.
All of this combined makes Crossfire by far the scummiest player at the moment.
On February 01 2013 04:54 Stutters695 wrote: So you think that the two most likely scum are both single players (8% chance if random, unlikely if not random)? you would also attack him over XF who you just said you were going to make a case on?
zebezt is the one who wanted to make the case on XF not me (oh hey, there it is), and those are my reads on who I'd Attack. I'd love to attack scum, but I'm not 100% sure who they are. I know who I don't want to attack and why I don't want to. That leaves me with limited options on who I DO want to attack. Consider this the equivalent of policy lynching in lieu of a scumread.
On February 01 2013 03:28 RockHydra wrote: From Xfires WLIIA filter:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 08 2012 03:37 Crossfire99 wrote: Moist (but he's not really a superhero, more like a member of the Henchmen Union)
I'm not going to answer your question about when I asked iGrok because I don't know if that's allowed. I pm'd him and will see what he says.
Just a note, but if we lynched a scum day 2 and there were only 2 scum left night 2, scum would have only had 1 shot because mafia kp is # of mafia/2 rounded up. So 2/2 = 1 which still rounds up to 1.
Lol I might have misunderstood how MtG actions resolve because I don't play MtG and iGrok told me they resolve like MtG. I believe my point still stands, though, because he listed my actions in the middle of his list and not at the beginning or the end.
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Anyways, I think his rage is completely over the top, but his reads match up with his actions around putting mana into minds aglow, as well as his indignant response to gonzaw when called out for it. He doesn't have to stop and think about why he's upset, he knows immediately that he didnt want to give CH zombies. I dislike that he didn't talk about anything, but then again, why would scum intentionally shroud their actions? I don't think they would. I don't want to attack crossfire, he doesn't make sense as scum to me. Here's another example:
On January 30 2013 04:33 RockHydra wrote: -snipped- Regarding Xfire, and what I asked Acro to expand upon -> If you haven't seen cross' mafia play from Mario mini, consult with Dandel (he co-hosted). I believe I can "feel" his enthusiasm towards this game and based on what I've seen of his scum play, my gut-read is town on him from his opening post alone. Obviously this is a meta read, but his filter is too short to make anything more than that out of it. -snipped-
I'm going to quote what I send in Parallel World Mafia because the same thing applies here.
On December 13 2012 11:28 Crossfire99 wrote:
On December 13 2012 11:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Judging by Mario, crossfire is not scum, or at least not showing it thus far.
Oh, how nice of you. Thank you for the vote of confidence. To be completely honest though, most of what happened in Mario was due to two things. 1) That thread was way way way too active for my taste. I absolutely hated it, and would have hated it even if I was town. 2) Real life screwed me over hard during that game. I was away for the first half of day 1 and didn't think it was going to be an issue at all, but was an issue because of the activity level. Additionally, my internet really did crap out on me and make me unable to use the 3 hours I had to planned to devote to that game. I had no idea what to do after that, so i did my random stuff with 1 hr to go before the most hilarious, crazy, and random lynch I have ever been a part of.
Anyway that turned out to be way longer than I thought it would be. Whatever. lol
I had a double-take upon reading this post. I say I have a townread on cross, and he posts something that basically says my reasoning is irrelevant. I don't see why scum would bother telling me to question myself when I had a townread.
It might make sense to say your townread is irrelevant if he is scum. He will know it won't make you more suspicious of him right away. Also the game is gonna continue, and he might not like the comparison with that previous game as this game goes on.
He even says he was so busy with real life in that game... yeah thats toooooootally different from this one where is soooooo active.
On February 01 2013 05:45 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: I dunno about Xfire now. He could be just busy town.
He doesn't have time to cast anything, doesn't have time to even attack with his creatures. Well...I dunno.
If we kill Aperture and he flips scum, it'll give us more info, and we can catch the remaining scum.
Right now I'd say it's between Xfire/Rock maybe. If I'm very wrong it could be Bin/CH/Stutters though (and maybe that Bin thing is a bus?).
/G
You need to get over your Nova blindspot, jeez. Bin and Stutters are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less likely to be mafia than Nova, for sure.
Derp lol I forgot about Nova lol
Put it Xfire/Nova/Rock, followed by CH/Bin/Stutters.
I am not really fond of Nova's attack of you (even if strong's case wasn't that good either). He hasn't been around for a while, which he was last game. I.e he was around on D1 with his "laid back" one liners, but in MTG 1 he kept the same behaviour all game long. Now he suddenly stopped doing anything this D2..?
He could be scum.
Hmm....it's a toss between him and Xfire to be honest. I don't really see Rock as scum, zbest saying he doesn't have any read is not something scum do.
/G
Did anyone actually look into how much effort went into Nova's case against SMTD?
On January 31 2013 23:44 Aperture Science wrote: Before everyone gets too worked up about Deathrite Shaman, yes it can do 2 damage but it can also do other things.
If he does 2 damage he's scum. If he doesn't, well, I'll have to run analysis tonight.
I would value your opinion before the attack phase ends. So far you have said shit about Bin, which has not convinced me he's scum. Other than that, I know very little about what you think about anybody. Please do Xfire and/or Suck.
/Acro
I already said I'm going to do Xfire and Nova. But it will have to wait until I get home from work.
On February 01 2013 07:10 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Yeah Nova
Like, everybody's job right now is stating if they agree with the cases or not, because tomorrow we are 100% attacking those 2 guys and hopefully killing one of them.
Stutters and Nova haven't posted their thoughts on them yet.....Rock hasn't either for some reason (I don't know why Apperture posting his "analysis" will make my case invalid or something)
/G
It won't make it invalid, but perhaps less convincing? Also...I hadn't seen your case when I made that "I'm waiting post" because the subscribed function is less than ideal on a hydra account. I still stand by I want to see what iGrok pieces together in the meantime.
On February 01 2013 06:29 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: I forgot that if you block a creature that creature dies Fucking MTG rules lol
Anyways, I think Crossfire should not block your zombies, if not it'll give town less KP tomorrow. If he ninja-blocks again in the thread right before the deadline I'll take it as a scum claim again, because that'd be getting ridiculous
/G
Not quite (unless this is changed and I don't remember it from the rules for the mafia gain. 2/2 attacks 0/3
0/3 turns to 0/1 until turn end and the zombie stays at 2/2
EPT
