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On February 04 2013 09:59 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
You know, I'd really like strong's thoughts on all this shit, I don't even remember what his reads are (other than he thought CH was a little scummy back in T1 lol)
Seriously dudes, even if you guys aren't taking a "central role" in this town like you said, this inactivity and lack of doing stuff is worrying. Only marv tried to do some stuff, but only a little
Basically I don't remember him doing much other than defending Stutters and posting a "meh I dunno" post about like half the players.
Come on dude...you are not scum are you?
/G
Sadly I cannot make strongandbig appear. I think my opinions are obvious enough, who I think is mafia etc. I'm not going to post for the sake of posting, darling. Sound familiar? 
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On February 04 2013 10:28 iGrok wrote:
I'm too lazy to link, but I've been scum in LotR (Where I claimed Balrog) and there's one other one that I don't remember.
lol. you played so badly in LotR 
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On February 04 2013 10:42 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2013 10:39 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 04 2013 10:28 iGrok wrote:
I'm too lazy to link, but I've been scum in LotR (Where I claimed Balrog) and there's one other one that I don't remember. lol. you played so badly in LotR I played scum the best in LotR. Before I even got my role pm I told Curu I was going to claim Balrog
then you proceeded to tell town no-one was scummy on day 1 so no way town was lynching mafia, made some terrible list posts, claimed, and died not too long after anyway. :d
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also please post on your hydra, igrok, and consolidate the posts you missed into it. when i filter aperture i don't want to be missing shit
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iGrok looks pretty scummy, just browsing through his meta. iGrok tends not to do large, 'formalised' cases as town, as far as I can see. It's more shorter posts, interacting with town, being involved; the opposite of here.
I came across one large, formal case, and it was in a game where iGrok was godfather.
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I so want to tap a permanent for the lols, but I wouldn't even know how to go about it
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On February 04 2013 11:23 Aperture Science wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2013 11:11 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
iGrok looks pretty scummy, just browsing through his meta. iGrok tends not to do large, 'formalised' cases as town, as far as I can see. It's more shorter posts, interacting with town, being involved; the opposite of here.
I came across one large, formal case, and it was in a game where iGrok was godfather. You should read Experiment II then rofl
I couldn't work out who you were :p
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On February 04 2013 11:40 Aperture Science wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2013 11:24 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 04 2013 11:23 Aperture Science wrote:On February 04 2013 11:11 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
iGrok looks pretty scummy, just browsing through his meta. iGrok tends not to do large, 'formalised' cases as town, as far as I can see. It's more shorter posts, interacting with town, being involved; the opposite of here.
I came across one large, formal case, and it was in a game where iGrok was godfather. You should read Experiment II then rofl I couldn't work out who you were :p Pink2
eh, you made a long analysis on someone to say they're town ;p
you still think stutters is mafia?
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why are you convinced of nova's townieness?
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On February 04 2013 11:56 Aperture Science wrote:
I'm not, I just don't have an opinion on him yet.
so between you, you're calling stutters mafia (or rock) but you haven't bothered to get an opinion on someone else who it's quite possible is mafia yet? what the fuck? isn't that kind of important?
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So... Aperture is scum, but I am scum?
On February 04 2013 21:19 Clockwork Hydra wrote an Extremely Terrible Post:
Second, I agree that Aperture needs to die. Add this to the reasons he's scum: he is fairly active this game.
Marv has gone into full-on lurker mode.
When singlehandedly I have way more posts than iGrok and Aperture combined?
SnB has done nothing. Even when absent, SnB as town phoneposts to say "dudes, I'm in England, don't lynch me because I don't have internet" and then gives a quick list of reads. As mafia, he straight up lurks (although he seems to have improved in WLIIA). Evidence: SSM and Caller - Remove Incognito.
Yep. I told s&b myself on skype that I'd be lynching him for how he's played this game. He told me before this game he took a month+ break because he was burnt out with mafia. And unfortunately he still feels this way. This isn't really a defence per se, because it's easy to say "herp derp, explaining why you're scummy isn't townie", but it is what it is.
Now, would scum SnB have posted the plan for Xfire in the thread? Well, he told us: never assume your opponent is too stupid to not recognize the board possibilities. In this case a scum SnB expects town to already know what needed doing (blow up Xfire's shit and then just hope for the best). He didn't want to be forced to contribute to town by casting an enchant on Nova's land and thus told town the plan wouldn't work. This allowed him to follow his own plan and cast his own useful stuff. He also scored townie points for being the herald and noticing that shit.
This is simply creating a narrative that doesn't exist.
Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 05:42 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 31 2013 05:37 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Well Suck, apparently this "lack of reasons" is explained by some IRL stuff.
I do want to wait to see what he pulls up, although I don't think it'll surprise me or anything.
Last game, he said "Kill Fulla, and maybe Zealos/Grey" on T1 and that's it regarding what he was pushing. I don't see much change in his "decisiveness" from there, can you point that out?
Also again, how does this change your read on Stutters and Crossfire?
/G Yeah, but here it's... Suck is scummy, maybe for this reason maybe not, more later.... Suck still scummy, more later.... Suck still scummy, more later.... In the last game he didn't have to promise future content, he was happy just to say "yeah kill these dudes". Here he feels the need to justify his absence and his read with future promises. My read on Stutters (slightly town) remains unchanged, and Crossfire seems less scummy for it. At least he made the effort to defend himself and make a case on someone, even though some of it was wrong, some of it was correct too - marvelbabe Huh? What does Stutters being town have to do with Xfire being town? Why randomly include the scumbuddy in this town read?
Nova being scummier makes Crossfire less scummy, given we were working on the hydra + lonestar theory. Simple.
Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 06:18 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 31 2013 06:17 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:On January 31 2013 05:52 RockHydra wrote:On January 31 2013 05:33 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:@Rock: What do you think of Suck? You haven't mentioned them in that "thoughts" post of yours. Also again, if you had to choose, which one of Nova/Cross/Stutters is scum and why? Or if you think all 3 are town, explain to me why you think Cross is town On January 31 2013 05:06 Aperture Science wrote:
Basically there's two likely possible scumteams: hydra+maverick and hydra+hydra. in the previous sentence, which word appeared more, hydra or maverick? that what kind of player we should focus on to find scum. What's your "updated" read on Bin? What about the other hydras?
If you guys are going against Nova+Stutters/etc, remember: It's VERY unlikely 2 of them are scum. Thus, if you find Nova suspicious, you basically find Stutters and Crossfire like confirmed town. Same with the other 2. Thus, if you put suspicion on any of them, before spouting stuff in the thread (or rather before actively FoSing any of them), think about how that changes your read on Stutters/Crossfire, and see if it's consistent and you agree. If you think something is wrong, then better reconsider your initial push (unless you want to pressure the guy, which is fine I guess) I am suspicious of Crossfire, and I don't see any inconsistencies with my reads on Nova and Stutters, thus I'm slightly more confident in that read. A question! I'm going to ignore it first, because your statement that if nova is scummy that stutters/cross are almost confirmed town is of course non sense. If Nova is confirmed scum, then stutters and cross are just as likely as anyone else to be scum. It's obviously a figure of speech. Also if you think there is a scum between the hydra then what I said is true And why does that make you now answer my question about Suck? :/ Wut On January 31 2013 05:53 Stutters695 wrote:Back up. You guys post a lot. On January 31 2013 05:23 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Damn S&B, I don't know what to think of you
Marv gives me slight town feels with his attitude (attitude alone though, not his play, i.e lack of scumhunting and taking a strong position in town), but you gave me so many "bad" feelings dude.
Like you going against Nova up there, and having that "I don't give a fuck" attitude.
Let's start somewhere: Skim Nova's filter from the previous game. Do you still find him scummy? Do you agree with what I've said a few posts back?
/G So do you think that Marv is town based on that or do you think despite the attitude he is more scummy than town? Marv's "lazy" attitude gives me a slight town feeling, in the sense that he didn't seem to "push a scum agenda" and actively try to disrupt town and the like like I'd expect from scum marv. I'm not that sure about them to be honest, and I don't know if I should rely on that... On January 31 2013 05:57 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Where did I say he's "surely" scum? I think he has a pretty decent chance of being mafia, a higher chance than Crossfire indeed. Well, you made a gigantic case on him and concluded with "let's kill him". I'd think that's calling him surely scum. If you don't find multiple promises of future content without delivering to be scummy, given how close we are to the end of day 1, due to his 'irl' excuses, then there's not a lot i can do about that. You really believe him not following up with that "case" on yours is intentional? /G I take it from your attitude that you think Crossfire is 'surely' scum then, gonzaw? Town explanation: please clarify your stance. Scum explanation: mr. town leader, is it time to bus my scumbuddy? Would marv want that confirmation to make the decision? Finally something meta can help with. In Hero, Marv's stance on Adam is really non-committal. There's the "might be scum, but lets wait and see"... but then Palmar comes in, says Adam is scum and asks why Marv isn't voting for him. 2 pages later, he is (nothing of consequence happened in those 2 pages). Scum Marv does not just willy nilly bus his buddies, he needs to be sure he'll get town cred for doing so.
I wasn't sure on Nova, yet gonzaw was implying he was totally sure on Crossfire, so I was questioning the certainty relative to mine. Again, creating a random narrative that doesn't exist
Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 06:29 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
This game's looking quite decent. In order of towniness:
gonz/Prome - blates town
me/s&b - town too. slightly less town than gonz because i haven't seen our role PM even though s&b promises we're town
Binonfire - Minds Aglow totes pro-town, Oats being silly with it also probably town
Hopeless/zebeszt - probably townish too, posts don't show any fear (lol)
Stutters - let's call this dude town for now, seems kinda interested
Acro/dand - have hardons for calling me mafia, but maybe they just like that sort of thing. Decent case on Crossfire, although if I was lynching for meta, I'd be lynching s&b. Crossfire seems a good deal more interested than he was in... Mario Mafia as scum.
Crossfire - see above, could still be mafia
Nova - scummy, see awesome burgler case
Aperture - kill it with fire! see also awesome gonzaw case. The more I think about it the less I like how iGrok declared Bin scummy because Oats was disagreeing with MG on Minds Aglow. Seems really superficial.
Ta-da! Heading rather fast towards giving Xfire a town read AFTER the meta case. Is Marv really bad enough to not realize that the metas match 100%?
Can you really not read? Aperture = hydra mafia read, then between Nova and Crossfire, leaning on Nova.
Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 06:29 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 01 2013 06:26 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 01 2013 06:25 Nova_Terra wrote:
Im here till main phase, if anyone needs me to answer something, shoot How bout you comment on the 2 cases that are currently dominating the game? I presume you are referring to the Aperture case and the Nova burgler case, yes? Discrediting the case on Xfire.
Seriously. lol. It's called a joke. My masterplan was to "discredit" >.> the case on Crossfire just before he claimed mafia? It's a fucking masterstroke! I actually chuckled when I read this bit. You know a case is silly when you actually laugh at a point in it.
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On February 04 2013 22:36 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Actually, lol, now that I think of it, the whole "I'm in England" thing was in CT, where SnB was scum. I got confused with Bastard 2 or HRM where he was travelling all the time. Guess he did correct that aspect of his scum play.
Either way, he lurks far more as scum than as town and he is lurking this game.
Also, I am not calling both you and Aperture scum. I am calling one of you scum and can't be arsed to figure out which one. That's good enough if we can kill 2 people (assuming we can).
/Acro
I might deal damage to you just for being silly
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On February 04 2013 22:56 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
marv, you still think nova is the last scum? If not why?
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How did you arrive at that conclusion from my posts? O.o
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On February 04 2013 23:17 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
I didn't. I just wanted to hear it from you. If you attack Acro I'm going to make fun of you forever for being bad though.
Don't be silly. I'd be doing it for giggles. Which is quite different from being bad.
Don't ask me dumb questions please, it's a waste of my time. "I wanted to hear it from you" is not a good reason to ask a question that is already apparent.
It's in the same realm as "you think this dude is mafia, but name your top 3 scumreads otherwise" - totally retardo
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On February 04 2013 23:30 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2013 23:19 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 04 2013 23:17 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
I didn't. I just wanted to hear it from you. If you attack Acro I'm going to make fun of you forever for being bad though. Don't be silly. I'd be doing it for giggles. Which is quite different from being bad. Your hydra head disagrees. He is still pissed off at me for HRM, where the whole last day was done for giggles. Show nested quote +
Don't ask me dumb questions please, it's a waste of my time. "I wanted to hear it from you" is not a good reason to ask a question that is already apparent.
It's in the same realm as "you think this dude is mafia, but name your top 3 scumreads otherwise" - totally retardo
So you think Aperture is scum. But if we can kill 2 people, how do we maximize the chance of killing the scum? Assuming you don't have a 100% scumread on Aperture, of course. If you do, I'd like to know what makes you so certain.
I tend to be a game-closer, not a game-chucker, so you probably don't have to worry too much. Nova's #2, basically because i can find better reasons for everyone else being town than I can him.
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On February 05 2013 01:29 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 00:08 Aperture Science wrote:
Just a quick question, weren't we going to kill Crossfire today before attack phase by us forking a bolt or something? What happened to that We still are, that never changed. In fact we might do it now, or in a few moments. Anyways Appy, I'm kind of annoyed by this so I'll just forget about it, and kill you, Prome agrees, lots of people agree. No stress, no pain /G
This game is really weird. Aperture seemingly has no interest in conversing with town about his targets, nor telling us that it's a bad idea to attack him. Don't really get it from any perspective.
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On February 05 2013 02:37 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Breaking News:
Aperture is more likely to flip town than scum imo.
"Oh no!" you might cry in despair. "But he's playing so bad"
To which I reply "bad =/= scum."
Yes, my brethen, it is true. If he is town, he's played bad as fuck. Like, really bad. Abysmal. Doesn't matter though.
Just think about the situation: You're scum with Cross. Who just outed himself as scum. Who is going to die easily tonight.
"town" has plenty KP left over to kill you, and then some. YOU HAVE BEEN CALLED SCUM ALL GAME. You are aware you played like shit. Nobody wants you alive.
Why do you still bother bussing Cross?
Why would you take damage in the face, just to redirect it to Cross? Your buddy? that means you both die tonight.
After all, everybody is just saying "yeah let's flip aperture" and gonzo goes all "I WANT FLIPS! I DEMAND DEAD BODIES FOR MY GOD ODIN!" all the time.
Would you, as scum, still keep doing damage, taking damage, like it's no big deal?
Maybe. It's not impossible. I'm not saying aperture is confirmed town or anything.
HOWEVER, the far more likely, and simple, solution is this:
Aperture is town.
He knows he's going to die today.
Since he's town, he helps flipping Cross, so that town has more KP in total. Excess KP that town can deal to somebody after his body is already cold.
I anticipate WIFOM arguments to come to counter this.
I anticipate all those arguments to be horseshit.
~dandel
if he didn't bus crossfire, then people like you wouldn't post things like this
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On February 05 2013 02:44 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 02:39 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On February 05 2013 02:37 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Breaking News:
Aperture is more likely to flip town than scum imo.
"Oh no!" you might cry in despair. "But he's playing so bad"
To which I reply "bad =/= scum."
Yes, my brethen, it is true. If he is town, he's played bad as fuck. Like, really bad. Abysmal. Doesn't matter though.
Just think about the situation: You're scum with Cross. Who just outed himself as scum. Who is going to die easily tonight.
"town" has plenty KP left over to kill you, and then some. YOU HAVE BEEN CALLED SCUM ALL GAME. You are aware you played like shit. Nobody wants you alive.
Why do you still bother bussing Cross?
Why would you take damage in the face, just to redirect it to Cross? Your buddy? that means you both die tonight.
After all, everybody is just saying "yeah let's flip aperture" and gonzo goes all "I WANT FLIPS! I DEMAND DEAD BODIES FOR MY GOD ODIN!" all the time.
Would you, as scum, still keep doing damage, taking damage, like it's no big deal?
Maybe. It's not impossible. I'm not saying aperture is confirmed town or anything.
HOWEVER, the far more likely, and simple, solution is this:
Aperture is town.
He knows he's going to die today.
Since he's town, he helps flipping Cross, so that town has more KP in total. Excess KP that town can deal to somebody after his body is already cold.
I anticipate WIFOM arguments to come to counter this.
I anticipate all those arguments to be horseshit.
~dandel if he didn't bus crossfire, then people like you wouldn't post things like this Except, he didn't have to do damage. The gonzo said "I have an instant which can do damage to Xfire". iGrok's response was "I drew fork. I can copy that instant". He DIDN'T have to say that. He had NO reason to claim he has fork in his hand. Would he deliberately out that he can help killing off his scumbuddy and make it easier to kill himself? I don't think so. Dandel has a point and you're just sore that your evil scumplan of killing off a townie is now failing. /Acro
I'm not sore, I think you're hilarious. You're saying "why would a scumbuddy try to be/appear helpful in killing off his confirmed partner?"
uh, duh...
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On February 05 2013 02:57 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
If there is no way it could be uncovered that he didn't help out with killing off the scum, I can see no reason why you'd cooperate in shooting your scumbuddy. If we said "attack him with your 5/5, or you're confirmed scum", then sure. But the situation was:
1. Xfire is going to die, regardless.
2. Aperture is almost certainly going to die, but town might not have enough damage.
Aperture adds to town's damage, further increasing the likelihood that 2 will happen, for no apparent gain. The only gain is that someone like Dandel comes along and says "wait, there was no reason to cast that fork". Ockham's Razor says that that is far more unlikely than that Aperture is town and wanted to contribute in killing scum any way he can, seeing as his deck has failed him spectacularly.
PS. We drew complete crap from the Bazaar. We can do 11 damage this turn.
It doesn't take many assumptions to suggest that Aperture would do what he can to try to appear townie, dear.
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