EPTOn December 19 2012 04:24 Keirathi wrote:
Risen:
Won't you lose your vig ability if you get swapped?
Risen:
Won't you lose your vig ability if you get swapped?
Keirathi, dont you realize hes making shit up as he goes
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Mementoss
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Keirathi, dont you realize hes making shit up as he goes | ||
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Keirathi
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On December 19 2012 04:26 Mementoss wrote: Keirathi, dont you realize hes making shit up as he goes Quit being dumb. He's very nearly confirmed town. | ||
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Risen
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Keirathi
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1) answer risen's questions 2) Phoenix Wright has worked exactly the way Austin used it in the past 3) you think crossfire is town, but you think risen is scum despite crossfire saying they were confirmed town to each other? They are either both town or both scum, take your pick. | ||
yamato77
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Have had no time but I still stick to that scum read list I posted @Syllo I had no idea my ability could jail. I don't know what my stuff does until I use it. I have explained why I shot it at Risen. I will continue to be offensive against my scum reads because I think most of my abilities deal KP, roleblock or check my target. Also I got the role D2 so I only had one night of actions so far. Thread is moving in the right direction IMO. | ||
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Risen
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yamato77
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Scum would know your true alignment and thus your intentions. Don't go all wild with your confirmation bias on this one, my story is the one that hasn't changed. You've gone from saying you had a check on marv and took .5 KP, to claiming you were immune to roleblock, to saying you actually were roleblocked, to claiming I blocked your kill shot on marv. Not to mention your changing story on your relationship with Cross. So which is it? Because I have no reason to believe any of what you've said. You're now a huge liability to town in my eyes because nothing you say can be trusted at all, you'll just go "JK GUISE IT WAS ALL PLANNED LOLOLOLOL" That means I have to lynch you or put faith in a player who lies. Lynch All Liars policy, bro. | ||
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Blazinghand
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##vote (iGrok) Keirathi | ||
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yamato77
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First and foremost, I would like to preface this whole case by saying that I make some points in this by assuming that Foolishness is, indeed, mafia. His play up to this point is agreed upon by most people I view as town to be scummy, and he has done very little to rectify this himself. If you do not agree that Foolish is mafia, you do not need to read the first part of this case. The association with Foolish is a part, but not the only part. Now, onto that association in specific. It occurred to me at some point in the last 24 hours that Blazinghand hadn't said a bad thing about Foolish the entire game. In fact, looking through his filter with CTRL+F for Foolish, every single post he has referenced Foolish in has been in a positive light. On December 13 2012 21:36 Blazinghand wrote: To Greymist's world: I don't like how Dienosore is playing. You guys should lynch him. Foolishness' sudden retaliation against marv was certainly unexpected but look at the speed at which Foolishness' wagon formed and the lack of resistance-- this indicates to me that he's probably a townie. Any time a wagon gains momentum this quickly with no response it's on a townie. Dienosore's reason for voting Fin is pretty crappy and comes in the wake of some strong players making cases and votes against Foolishness. I think the map thing is weird but apparently he always does. The part where he discusses marv's meta read and how Foolishness hasn't denied being scum (as though scum typically claims scum) strikes me as preposterous. He doesn't have any real reasons for voting Foolishness and the stuff he's given is crap. Lynch Dienosore. Do it for justice. On December 16 2012 07:35 Blazinghand wrote: I like that foolishness is contributing something, but that doesn't mean he's right. Well, he's right that yamato needs to die, but I've explained how Risen is town. And Randombum hasn't done much since D1 but his play D1 came off as careless townie to me. On December 16 2012 08:04 Blazinghand wrote: Fool and Palm both fall in the same boat for me: questionably useful veteran who might be scum. Foolishness has been more useful and sharing more reads so I'd rather have him here where he can be relevant and/or lynched, so I am pro swap All of these instances give the appearance that BH has a town read on Foolish, something that almost no other player in the game shares. There IS another player that offers up a defense of Foolishness, but more on that later. The point here is, if you believe Foolish is mafia and have believed so from the beginning, then you should immediately see BH as a suspicious person because of his unusually townie read on Foolish. End pre-flip association case. Enter BH the tunneling scum case. I thought I might include here some thoughts on BH's play in regards to Dieno but there were obviously some town who wagoned that one (including me), so it seems like a weak point to go with. INSTEAD, I'll go with his completely inconsistent logic regarding Risen and I. Part of BH's case on me, and indeed the part he decided to defend, included reasoning that I was attacking Risen who was "a damn townie". He even makes a pretty lengthy town case on Risen after being criticized for this. On December 15 2012 19:48 Blazinghand wrote: His play today is worse, and confirms my read. His case on Risen (link) calls out Risen for playing scum when in fact Risen is acting quite townlike. Risen busts into the thread D1 with two reads (albeit with short reasonings). He's open with his thinking process and actively questions things and tries to find out reads (like asking me about why i'm voting yamato77 instead of mementoss). All of this says to me Risen is town. How does Yamato read this as scum? He's calling Risen out for doing town things and claiming it's scum. On December 16 2012 05:16 Blazinghand wrote: I really really don't think we should lynch Risen today. I know some people don't like his posting but in my opinion he's got a town mindset. Follow me on a journey through his filter! First, he immediately starts off with reads.(link). Poorly supported reads, but reads. He's not afraid to speak his mind. He calls out Yamato's plan for what it is, also (link) which scum Risen doesn't really have a motivation to do. His attack on me (link), misguided though it is, wouldn't be done by scum D1 when giving scumreads on people in this thread was uncommon. Why stick your neck out for no reason? The biggest reason people dislike him right now is he had a scumread on Sandro. Although the reasoning for his scumread on Sandro and his scumread on me (that I changed my mind a lot) was bad, he was discussing it with the thread and actively changed his read on sandro and mementoss when he encountered new arguments and evidence. In fact, it's more evidence for being town. We're not lynching Risen today, whether he likes me or not, because he's been playing like a damn townie. Although we can't assume Sandro's reads are correct, we CAN assume they're town-motivated, and reasonably well thought out, since it's Sandro. As a general rule I don't speculate about night kills because it's very WIFOM-ey but it can be done right. Sandro doesn't stick out to me as an unusual NK though since besides Palmar or Marv he's the best player here. I'll sit down with his filter and go over his thoughts on other players and see if I agree. Yet more defense of Risen On December 16 2012 07:50 Blazinghand wrote: [/i][/i]It's not the length of a filter, but its quality that is important. Risen has given risenable explanations for his reads and has discussed them and attempted to refine them. He's been open-minded about his less clear reads and more strident with his solid reads. This is town play, even if it's town play that isn't crushing the thread under a thousand posts, and it's how Risen plays town, too, in my experience. We are not lynching Risen today. I didn't say he wrote a 5-paragraph essay-- but his reasoning is fine. Him being wrong and him using the wrong processes are different things. Just because Risen didn't like Sandro and was brief about it does NOT make Risen scum. The way he developed his reads and interact with the thread tell me he's town, and they'd tell you that too if you read ANY of his games or hell, even read his filter. It's a town mindset. I've learned from my most recent games that my ability to make meta cases on players who I haven't played with before is sharply limited. Take a look at my two most recent games and tell me with a straight face that my strength is in making meta cases. But yet later on, for no apparent reason, his read starts to shift from "damn townie" to "not a good lynch" and then "one of my scum reads." On December 16 2012 08:37 Blazinghand wrote: I see what you're saying there Marv, I don't like how Risen is playing right now, but I don't think he's the best lynch. I guess we could swap him over to your world in return for dienosore-- this would give him more time to incriminate himself or demonstrate his towniness, either way. I think his D1 play was town though and am not comfortable lynching Risen. On December 17 2012 08:26 Blazinghand wrote: fuuu hm if I could lynch two people right now from that list it'd be Yamato and either Risen or Memen This is the post where I realize the extent to which BH has switched his story. What had Risen done to make him switch? Let's take a look at a post of his around that time. On December 16 2012 08:29 Risen wrote: BH is sooooo scummy. Know what else "maximizes" scum lynches? Lynching Yamato then die tomorrow. Same results but for some reason you're trying to get your top scum read another day to live? Oh I get it. Risen called BH on his shit and BH totally OMGUS'd him. LOL. Scum. All of his posting since I called him out on this fact has been shit. On December 18 2012 12:07 Blazinghand wrote: wow yamato that is definitely a simpler explanation than you being scum im so convinced On December 19 2012 00:46 Blazinghand wrote: I don't know why anyone is listening to anything mementoss has to say Quite a change from the seemingly constructive BH from before. This reads like scum playing when he knows he's caught; throw some stupidity into a conversation and hope it spirals. Not town, definitely scum. So that's what convinced me. If you guys don't have a scum read on BH, you really should. ALSO, the only other person who has offered up a defense of Foolish is MEMENTOSS. On December 14 2012 21:17 Mementoss wrote: Also did you even bother to look up Foolishness' meta? Dude usually lurks hard day 1, so that he wont be shot night 1 and can use the extra information day 2 to finger scum. Do I nessecarily think hes town red? No. Do I think hes scum read? No. I will have to judge more by his day 2 play if he is alive. "GUYS DON'T CALL FOOLISH SCUM! He'll totally do townie stuff tomorrow. I promise." But I'll let someone else make THAT case. | ||
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