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randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 10 2012 23:15 GMT
#15
/in Haven't played a mafia on TL since the original but after following Chrono trigger this seems like a lot of fun (and FAR more balanced)
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 11 2012 23:57 GMT
#96
I'm still sorta confused about the two worlds no quoting/posting thing. I get we are not allowed to quote/post, but it doesn't say we can't read have conversations with people on the other side. It simply seems like if we want to do it we have to go a more complicated route. Something like "@player response". The spirit of the rule makes it seems like we arin't suppose to communicate, but its not impossible. how does that work.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 00:50 GMT
#108
On December 12 2012 09:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
The worlds alternate lynch/swap, so we should lynch scum and swap scum (and during the swapday convince the other world why the person being swapped is scum.)


I think it works the other way, If we swap scum to the other side, it will be swap day when he gets there.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 01:18 GMT
#122
Maybe I'll declaer what my role is. It worked really well in the single mafia game I played.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 04:17 GMT
#144
I actually think sandro's idea has some merit. Since it would be nice to have confirmed townies. However, instead of swapping the scummiest they swap the second scummiest since they can lynch their scummiest target sooner than we would be able to, after that we would be able to use our lynch + new information from their lynch to see if we need to lynch the potential scum target they sent over.

Unless we somehow find somebody on our world who we want to lynch ahead of their second scummiest person in which case that person survives an extra day.

Sounds likes a lot work for something that may not even be better since this would require their world to have two reads and their weaker read being stronger than our strongest.

Unless we are willing to let our strongest read go un-lynched for the purpose killing everybody in one world to confirm the rest.

I started all that when I first saw sandro's idea, and by the time I finished it looked like even sandro changed his mind, but screw it I wrote it up I'm positing it.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 04:19 GMT
#145
And of course Greymist posts that after I check the thread again. In that light it might actually be a good idea to follow Sandro's idea since a confirmed list is always good + they wouldn't be forced into lynching townies.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 04:35 GMT
#147
No lynch is bad. A confirmed town list is good. It's a matter of which we value more.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 04:36 GMT
#149
IF we went with that plan, not convinced its the best idea yet.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 04:45 GMT
#153
BH your posting in the wrong thread.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 04:48 GMT
#154
Both sides swapping their scummiest player sounds like a stupid plan. That means the soonest that player can be lynched is in two days after that swap when the side swapping him could have lynched him in one. Their SECOND scummiest player however can be lynched a day earlier if the other side is willing to do it for them.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 06:14 GMT
#158
@yamato77 If we swap the lurkiest player what prevents mafia from playing that role.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 06:36 GMT
#161
Does doing the lynch everybody from one world first actually reduce our chances of finding scum though? I suppose its more unlikely for one side to find both before the other finds one, but say we have no strong read for our next lynch cycle wouldn't lynching the one from the other world to narrow that list and potentially get confirmed townies be good?

randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 06:59 GMT
#163
@yamato

Are we actually losing lynch days though? we are still lynching just from one side first. Once we clear one world we can do the same thing for the other. They swap their second scummiest, and lynch the scummiest the next day. The net sum of lynches is still the same it's just focused on one side to get some free confirmed townies.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 21:53 GMT
#199
Palmer that sounds so damn reasonable you have to be scum. ##Vote (Grey): Palmer
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 22:06 GMT
#201
I dunno I just wanted to get a vote down and I made up something about the last person when i checked the thread. I suppose I could vote for myself, but that's no fun.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 22:58 GMT
#205
On December 13 2012 07:49 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 07:06 randombum wrote:
I dunno I just wanted to get a vote down and I made up something about the last person when i checked the thread. I suppose I could vote for myself, but that's no fun.


you don't really understand how to play mafia, do you?


I understand you are scum! Easiest game of my life, I've already found both scum its Palmer and marvellosity. GG
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 23:30 GMT
#211
Really? name calling?
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 12 2012 23:30 GMT
#212
Your first word to me this game palmer was to call me a bitch.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 13 2012 06:56 GMT
#276
So.... who do we lynch now?
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 13 2012 07:05 GMT
#278
Honestly, at the moment you for screwing things up.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 13 2012 07:27 GMT
#280
No idea, not nearly enough information to say somebody is scum or not. I might consider lynching austin just because I still think focusing lynches on people who started on one world first is a decent idea if there are no better alternatives.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 13 2012 07:29 GMT
#282
Question for you, I think you were actively watching as greymist did those posts and i want to ask the following. Did it originally only do keir + austin swap and foolishness was added in during the edit?
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 13 2012 07:38 GMT
#284
Let me read the other side with him in mind and see where I end up. If I feel that he's townie too then obviously I won't lynch him solely because he's from the other side.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 13 2012 08:06 GMT
#285
Well done reading, and I like him as townie too. That means I have no idea who to lynch and I don't like that because that lynch would have given us information. I think I'll just wait and see what the others have to say during their time period since it feels like we are back at square 1. If I get it right the day ends in 12 hours from now so I should be back and have a few hours to read up + decide before then.

It does end in about 12 hours right?
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 13 2012 08:14 GMT
#287
16 is right. Time to sleep then.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 13 2012 19:56 GMT
#335
Austin, You asked me earlier why I liked you for town. Keep in mind that its only a mild read. It's because I liked how you responded with yamato77 in the other thread.

What's up with that objection? a joke cause sloosh said it?
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 13 2012 20:05 GMT
#338
It felt like you were responding rationally and calmly. It also felt like you "won" that discussion with him and since he and I disagreed on how to do swaps that probably made me like you.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 13 2012 21:49 GMT
#373
Catching up on thread i'll respond in a moment.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 13 2012 22:17 GMT
#405
I'll start from newest: About the whole clarity swap thing and my response. The way I see it information is a good thing. In that light, lynching somebody is a good thing because it gives us facts. After clarity's swap with foolishness getting removed I felt like oh now he won't flip and we won't get any information. Sure my vote wasn't on foolishness at the time, but I knew I would be back before I thought it ended (around 12 hours from when I went to bed it turned out to be 16, but still fine). Regardless, at the time foolishness already had 6 votes, and that's enough to get him lynched. I probably would've swapped at the end just in case somebody decides to un-vote. From the look of things it seems like there will be a no-lynch today simply because its almost deadline and there's maybe 6 people reading the thread who all have to agree on somebody to see them lynched in time. So my misgivings are at least valid.

About me not giving reads, NOBODY is giving real reads at the moment only they lean one way or another or simple "I have read his filter and he seems townie."

I was called out specifically and I answered. Would you have preferred "I read your filter I like you." ? Even you austin, with all your posts have not come out and said I feel strongly about one person or another. Sure you came out and made a decision with you objection, but none of those were "I feel he is sure town" before you confirmation.

About the whole swap idea. I still think it has potential since I said at the beginning I like facts and using the swap system to get facts about "confirmed townies" is good.The idea of the second scummiest is that we will have the flip from their most scummiest target before we had to make a final decision on ours. So if it was a one or the other option and the main target was scum then good, one down. If we got that decision wrong then at least the second target will die a day sooner. and that still leading towards the confirmed townie thing I like. If somehow we got both targets wrong then that's probably on the town for messing up rather than the idea being invalid. There is a valid concern about stacking one side with mafia so they will be able to control the vote, but I think if mafia control the vote that way they will be exposing themselves.

And worst case scenario they swapped us their second scummiest and he turns out scum and their primary target was townie. That still leads us with a decent lynch target who the mafia will have to make direct defenses of if they want to save him. And after that they still only have 3/(11-9 depending on if we mislynch today and if they kill somebody from our world) votes which is not enough to control the vote. Dunno, maybe 3/9 is cutting it too close since 5 out of the 6 non mafia have to vote against the mafia. At the time it felt like a good idea, and I'm still not convinced the idea itself is bad, although there might be better ones.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 13 2012 22:17 GMT
#406
Holy crap this thread is moving fast, 2 pages since i started that block.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 13 2012 22:25 GMT
#410
You guys have no idea how much it hurts having like 5 people say they think I'm a bad/stupid/worthless poster. You are all asses.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 13 2012 22:59 GMT
#436
Since there's no clear scum target and not enough time to find one in the next hour. I think I'm going to have to join the Austin train simply because 3 confirmed townies is super powerful if he turns town, and if he turns scum then that's even better.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 13 2012 23:48 GMT
#474
I joined the bandwagon too!
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 15 2012 23:51 GMT
#636
I dunno if I should respond in length to tear apart foolishness's read on me or just call him wrong.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 15 2012 23:53 GMT
#638
That's so much more work I'll get working on it i guess.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 15 2012 23:56 GMT
#641
Before big wall of text, risen what do you have to say about crossfire99 coming over too since it's obvious you expected it to happen.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 16 2012 00:02 GMT
#645
If crossfire is "confirmed" by austin list then risen being his homie is supposedly confirmed. Unless a mafia and town get paired together.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 16 2012 00:02 GMT
#646
Actually, I think you realize that and are focusing more on his wording.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 16 2012 01:26 GMT
#662
On December 16 2012 06:55 Foolishness wrote:
The best information the town has is from the start of the game "each world will begin with 2 mafia". So far people have not taken this into high consideration

As far as I know only one person came up with a plan to take advantage of this (sand) Who was coincidentally mafia's first target. Oh, and who know who was sand's biggest (only) supporter of that plan? ME. So if your going to call it a good idea to focus on that fact you should realize who supported actions which would take the biggest advantage of that fact.
On December 16 2012 06:55 Foolishness wrote:
randombum? Yes, definitely mafia. Why? General avoidance to any topic of discussion. He simply has not said anything about anything the town is talking about.

What has honestly been "discussed". Nearly everybody has had the same/similar opinion. There was lynching you which everybody agreed on. There was austin's list which everybody pretty much narrowed it down to the same 3 or 4 people. The only real discussion (read divided opinions involving more than 2 people) was how to use the swap mechanic and I was there.
On December 16 2012 06:55 Foolishness wrote:
randombum never talked about myself or marvellosity when the two of us were having a larger penis contest.

I felt it pointless to get into a penis contest when it started as A: "B is scum!" and B responses "No, A is scum!"
Apparently B won that since the whole town agreed to lynch you.

On December 16 2012 06:55 Foolishness wrote:
His lynch was avoided because one or two people said they thought he was innocent (I believe austin and clarity were the two, could be wrong though).

You write that as if I somehow escaped getting lynched (Note: that was your lynch that was avodied) If you actually read the threads it was neither austin or clarity that supported me. The only person to throw suspicion on me was austin, and even his post was along the lines of "he's on my list and I like him LEAST"

Also, there was not a single vote for me ever that day, so I don't know what I'm supposedly avoiding.

On December 16 2012 06:55 Foolishness wrote:
Given that he was one of 4 choices to be lynched he was awfully quiet

I don't know what you consider quiet. I responded to direct questions and posted my opinions. I wasn't nearly as vocal as austin, but that's because he has like 2/3 the posts in the thread since he's been here.

On December 16 2012 06:55 Foolishness wrote:
He random voted for Palmar day 1 without any justification (read his filter if you don't believe me), hopped on the Kenpachi bandwagon, and hasn't said anything since.

The vote on Palmer was random, but I don't see how that points towards an alignment on day 1. The kenpachi vote was because there was under an hour before deadline, and not enough people wanted to lynch austin to check his role. I hopped on the wagon because I was trying to help avoid a no-lynch and he was everybody's choice. And by choice he was really more like the least bad choice.

Why I haven't said anything since? Its barely been 24 hours and it happened to be Friday night and Saturday afterwards. I had other things to do.


The bulk of your post has so many mistakes which to me implies you are not really reading the thread and are trying to avoid getting lynched tomorrow and the fact that you lock onto the only target that some people have showed some doubts on to try to save yourself in a last ditch effort. I mean you even accuse palmer when you claim this about austin

On December 16 2012 06:55 Foolishness wrote:
It should be apparent from Austin's filter that he's either a town trying to do something or he's mafia with some master grand scheme using his role to confirm his mafia buddy as he watches the town crumble (the latter is very unlikely).

And this
On December 16 2012 06:55 Foolishness wrote:
Again Austin is the only true town player here

Either he's town and Palmer is town, or he is mafia which you call very unlikely. I cannot see a scenario where austin is both town and Palmer is anti-town. I don't think anybody who reads the thread can come up with that scenario either.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 16 2012 21:36 GMT
#682
On December 17 2012 05:40 austinmcc wrote:
Randombum,

Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 16:05 randombum wrote:
Honestly, at the moment you for screwing things up.


What did you mean by this statement to clarity? (This was from D1, when he swapped Keirathi and I)


That was more of a knee-jerk reaction. I saw foolishness getting swapped over as bad and wanted to blame the person I saw responsible. Don't make much of it.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 16 2012 23:14 GMT
#701
Oh shit voting. Vote after deadline or just not vote?
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 16 2012 23:43 GMT
#717
Mainly I think foolishness is mafia because of the way he just stopped talking after he thought he was the lynch target and he didn't come back until a long time later, and then when he does get back he paints a target (badly) on me with a lot of mis-information stating things outright contrary to what has been in the thread as if he didn't really read it.

I can see how a town or mafia can stop responding in the thread if they thought they were dead, but I feel like a town would catch up and get his information correct before claiming so positively somebody is mafia.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 16 2012 23:53 GMT
#720
Because I worried there would be a no-lynch I've already addressed that before.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 16 2012 23:55 GMT
#721
On December 14 2012 07:17 randombum wrote:
I'll start from newest: About the whole clarity swap thing and my response. The way I see it information is a good thing. In that light, lynching somebody is a good thing because it gives us facts. After clarity's swap with foolishness getting removed I felt like oh now he won't flip and we won't get any information. Sure my vote wasn't on foolishness at the time, but I knew I would be back before I thought it ended (around 12 hours from when I went to bed it turned out to be 16, but still fine). Regardless, at the time foolishness already had 6 votes, and that's enough to get him lynched. I probably would've swapped at the end just in case somebody decides to un-vote. From the look of things it seems like there will be a no-lynch today simply because its almost deadline and there's maybe 6 people reading the thread who all have to agree on somebody to see them lynched in time. So my misgivings are at least valid.

randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 17 2012 00:13 GMT
#726
Austin is that swap super swap or normal?
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 17 2012 00:14 GMT
#727
just kidding
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 00:27 GMT
#748
For people who started in CoG:
Scrum
Foolishness
Keirathi/Marvellosity Remaining scum is probably one of these two leaning marv.
Clarity_nl: I feel he's moire 3p than scum.
Crossfire99/SlOosh Pretty much confirmed though austin.
randombum: Me clearly town.
KenpachiDienosorePalmar: Dead, flipped town.
Town

For those who started in Igrok

Mafia
Mementoss/ Blazinghand/ These are probably the two mafia. Foolishness calls them both not mafia.
Darkfirex5: If one of those two above is town its probably this guy. Has said almost nothing, activates an ability that seems to be really bad.
Hassybaby: Hasn't said much at all, his Lucy claim seems believable, but that might not necessarily be a town role, but by the time he would be lynchable after all my preferred mafia game would probably be over.
Clarity_nl: Again probably 3p
Yamato77: On foolishness's mafia list so I feel he is town.
Risen: partnered with 99, probably town. On foolishness's mafia list so doubly town.
Sandroba/austinmcc: Dead confirmed town
Town
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 00:29 GMT
#750
Risen can you explain that a bit more, it sounds confusing. A red check would kill you? how would that make sense because if you didn't get the medic heal you would die without being able to tell the town?
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 00:35 GMT
#753
Risen can you explain how that power works, cause to be it still seems like normally if you use that and find scum you would just die without being able to tell town?
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 00:40 GMT
#755
What is a kp? would 1 kp kill you?
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 02:08 GMT
#779
The mushroom's might explain why austin didn't swap yesterday, don't know why he would place it on austin though. Another possibility is that mafia have a "guess name" kill move and PW isn't hard to guess with his ability, but if they had that why not kill lucy.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 02:36 GMT
#787
If he did jail risen, how come risen didn't say he was role blocked and instead used that time to point his finger at marv
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 03:10 GMT
#824
Actually I kinda want to believe yamato's version, but it seems so crazy.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 03:12 GMT
#827
I should've used ironic. Yamato thought risen was scum so he tries to jail and harm him, instead he saves his life.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 03:16 GMT
#831
I'm not scum.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 03:19 GMT
#837
Why point finger at marv then? and all that stuff about crossfire and you being confirmed all a lie?
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 03:23 GMT
#842
I meant why make an accusation at all.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 03:56 GMT
#849
Risen made up his role and then pretended he wasn't role-blocked to get some reactions. When yamato called him out on it he argued for a bit then came out and was all "jk, i was actually blocked"
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 04:57 GMT
#854
I'm thinking marv gave you that item sloosh,

Right after you asked the first time he said
On December 18 2012 10:08 marvellosity wrote:
##Guarantee: slOosh


Maybe that's another spell, but seeing as how he gave you double vote with his worship too I think there's something special about you to him.

More importantly:

I'm very worried about darkfire's destabilization move. The new element to this themed game is this whole swap mechanic and his move has been charging for 3 days now so it;s going to be something big. This makes me worried darkfire's "fun stuff" is us being unable to swap anymore. An extra worry is that if it does prevent swapping and foolish/keir are the two mafia (which is quite possible) then right now all 4 mafia are on that side + we will be unable to swap anymore which pretty much means town loses.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 05:26 GMT
#857
Do we want cross to swap back over though? Right now they have 3/4 At the least they will have 2 so we would want cross on that side to help balance the fact that there are more mafia.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 05:28 GMT
#858
I'm thinking sloosh might be the better option to swap over.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 18 2012 05:31 GMT
#859
Also, marv still could be a mafia, but either way I think he's anti town now.

After the dieno mis lynch:

On December 17 2012 22:14 marvellosity wrote:
Let's see.

##Activate Alternate Wincon

I know, I know. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.


Pretty much seems like he was like "nope, town ain't winning this"
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 19 2012 00:00 GMT
#958
On December 19 2012 08:25 Crossfire99 wrote:
Randombum, what's with the ninja vote on foolish?


Didn't have anything to add to discussion other than I think foolishness should get lynched so I voted for him.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
December 21 2012 22:23 GMT
#1012
I offer myself to be swapped since considering how bad my grey world role is I'd think I might actually have something useful on the other side.

Since the obvious question will be "well randombum what is you role?" I'm going to disclose that it's the miller.

On December 12 2012 10:18 randombum wrote:
Maybe I'll declaer what my role is. It worked really well in the single mafia game I played.


The sentence itself gives a clue "my role is." and I purposely mispell declare so I can get the er to finish out miller.

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