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On December 19 2012 23:21 cakepie wrote:
...The FOS on sylencia was definitely too hasty.
This was to create discussion. Hence no vote. I was trying to put pressure it is not ok to fly under the radar. We all have real things happening in our lives (especailly with Xmas... )BUT... we also all signed up for the game and knew the consequences.
Shz’s case on mocsta so far does not look like it holds much water right now. Nonetheless, the time for banter about policy is past; it is time to put forward cases.
Agreed, and was building some evidence whilst you was writing your post. Posted around the same time as yourself 
Q: You accused shz of sheeping. What do you think after studying his filter? Are there the beginnings of a case that can be built upon? Whatever you find unsatisfactory about his play, I would like to see you question him and push him to take a position on someone or something.
Position Taken. Vote has been counted..
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On December 19 2012 23:47 Mocsta wrote:
EBWOP.. accidentally pressed enter... *sigh*
(2) If you ask me a new question, I will answer it.
If you want to re-ask a question someone else answered, I am not going to bother. Especially with your vote justification.
I can't tell if your too lazy to read the filters properly.. or you are trying to cause confusion.
Either way, your not helping town.
My vote is heading your way.
##Vote: Shz
(This is in no way.. OMGUS).. i actually wanted to vote a lurker, but after re-reading the waterproof case comment, I think this is mafia trying to derail the town atmosphere.
Apologies!!!
After doing the early first post. I rushed the 2nd post.
I wanted to say
If you [u]RE-ASKING[/] a question I have already answer. I am not going to bother quoting. Look it up yourself.
If you dont like my answer, and are developing the question further. I will respond.
Tic for Tac....
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This is going against the trend, but my priority is to lynch mafia.
Personally, I do not think Threesr is Mafia.
(1) Its too convenient. I think if mafia did a slip such as On December 19 2012 11:25 threesr wrote:
1. I think lurking is fine at all points in the game.
then they might try to say they misunderstood the context of the question to weasel out of the slip (etc)
This leads to...
(2) He has been upfront about his opinion & with a candour I do not link to Mafia.
I wont say he has stood by it (lack of posts).
However, is it a "crime" for someone to have a diverging opinion from the status quo?
I agree I would like more from Threesr, but this is hardly indicative of scum play.
The conclusion is:
I currently view Threesr as a future uncertainty to deal with (i.e. interests may or may not be vested in Town, but I do not think is mafia).
[Having just now viewed Cakepie post
Has posted nothing but useless one- and two- liners. It is coming up to daytime EST, time to step up your play or else. As I and others have already mentioned, lurking is not acceptable here. In the absence of scummier targets, I will not hesitate to lynch you.
I agree if no scummier target, lets lynch him. However, i implore that with the remaining ~30hrs we do our best to find a candidate with more certainty.
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@Mocsta
You've said why shz's vote on you is weak, and I agree, but why does it make him scum? What is his scum motivation?
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Interesting Cakepie..
When i said, i wanted to vote a lurker before pushing for Shz.. i was leaning towards OrangeRemi as well.
Either way, I think im "spamming" the thread too hard, so am going to back off. (I don't think its spam , but others are saying its useless)
I *was* hoping it would prompt discussions, but people seem to be using my activity as a medium to lurk.
Over and out 
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On December 19 2012 23:21 cakepie wrote:
Spaghetticus: solid so far, no complaints. Would like to see you start getting on one of the cases or form one of your own.
I am someone with a natural inclination to lurk. So far I'm on my 6th page of notes, and once I have more than a 30% read on anyone as scum I'll make a case. Until then I just trawl through the data and try to keep others on track. I'm reluctant to play aggressively until I have a foot to stand on.
Personally I would like people to focus their efforts away from Mocsta and Cakepie, and focus almost exclusively on the lurkers. If they do happen to be scum then at this rate they will leave a trail and we will nail them day two.
Anyone looking for brownie points should try and focus on contributing OC, that is, post a case on one of the many lurkers. I'll give you a hint: if you are one of the lurkers, you need to score brownie points by proving yourself more useful than your lurker brethren. Bandwagonning on lurkers that have already been called out does not count!
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On December 20 2012 00:02 Chromatically wrote:
@Mocsta
You've said why shz's vote on you is weak, and I agree, but why does it make him scum? What is his scum motivation?
Sigh. I just said i was going to back off.. will answer this however before signing out.
As the question is fair, and develops upon what I wrote initially.
Shz is not the only lurker that is copying the post thoughts of others. However, he was the first I noticed that turned it into a vote, admitting he was creating a bandwagon for the sake of a bandwagon.
Is this truly conducive to town atmosphere?
[u]I think not.[]/u] A bandwagon is useful for a pressure vote, and to receive slips due to the perceived pressure.
*Perceived being the key, Townies are innocent and are not subject to the same perceived pressure*
However, with a weak case, there is no pressure? Thus, the intended outcome is mitigated leading to pointlessness.
You could argue bad town play, or ...
you could argue:
(1) mafia trying to derail the town atmosphere,
(2)trying to create confusion in the thread,
(3)trying to take the limelight off someone we are close to finding out is scum, but have not identified yet....
Pick your choice....
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I'm gonna go to bed. I'll be back with hopes high in 8-10 hours.
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On December 20 2012 00:05 Chromatically wrote:
@all
Comments on Corazon?
haha lastly, because I cant resist!!
I think Cakepie summarised the situation more eloquently than I could.
Personally, I agree with case-by-case. This is re-enforced by past commentary where I stated, if 5 lurkers are up for lynch, how do you choose? The decision requires thought, and in my opinion that can be interpretted as case by case.
The rest of Cakepie stuff is top notch summary of event. The questions are also well designed to stimulate discussion and avoid a yes/no answer. Perfect.
I really like Q2, and eagerly await the outcome.
In fact, if cDgCorazon did not answer Q2 in a sufficient manner, most likely my vote would end up there for Day 1.
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On December 20 2012 00:09 Spaghetticus wrote:
Personally I would like people to focus their efforts away from Mocsta and Cakepie, and focus almost exclusively on the lurkers. If they do happen to be scum then at this rate they will leave a trail and we will nail them day two.
Im dead regardless.
End of Night 1, I suspect I will be shot.
Hopefully we have a medic that likes me *sigh*
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##FOS: Mocsta He determines that Chromatically is a good town read after one post that he reads. Then he keeps spamming the thread with questions, but not actually taking a stance on anything himself. Seems like he is trying to become the "town moderator" and by asking a million questions in order to appear pro-town without providing any substance. I don't like that hes all over the place. First he says "Personally, I do not think Threesr is Mafia." then "I agree if no scummier target, lets lynch him."
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On December 20 2012 00:05 Chromatically wrote:
@all
Comments on Corazon?
Not enough information from him yet to come to a conclusion.
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@Mocsta (or anyone, really)
On Corazon, I'm focusing more on his defensiveness and excuse-making as reasons for why he is scum. Do you agree that the things I have highlighted in his posts are more likely coming from mafia?
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On December 20 2012 00:22 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 00:09 Spaghetticus wrote:
Personally I would like people to focus their efforts away from Mocsta and Cakepie, and focus almost exclusively on the lurkers. If they do happen to be scum then at this rate they will leave a trail and we will nail them day two.
Im dead regardless. End of Night 1, I suspect I will be shot. Hopefully we have a medic that likes me *sigh*
Is there a particular reason you posted this?
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On December 20 2012 00:22 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 00:09 Spaghetticus wrote:
Personally I would like people to focus their efforts away from Mocsta and Cakepie, and focus almost exclusively on the lurkers. If they do happen to be scum then at this rate they will leave a trail and we will nail them day two.
Im dead regardless. End of Night 1, I suspect I will be shot. Hopefully we have a medic that likes me *sigh*
So now you are softclaiming a power role out of nowhere? lol.
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Votes should look like this:
##Vote: Dandel Ion
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On December 20 2012 00:25 threesr wrote:
##FOS: Mocsta He determines that Chromatically is a good town read after one post that he reads. Then he keeps spamming the thread with questions, but not actually taking a stance on anything himself. Seems like he is trying to become the "town moderator" and by asking a million questions in order to appear pro-town without providing any substance. I don't like that hes all over the place. First he says "Personally, I do not think Threesr is Mafia." then "I agree if no scummier target, lets lynch him."
##Unvote
Thanks for the behaviour slip Threesr.
You have made this too easy.
SCUM:Threesr
If we look @ the post above, his point is made relatively clearly.
However, note, all his quotes are taken completely out of contex; let us put events back into perspective.
(1) Threesr: He determines that Chromatically is a good town read after one post that he reads.
Actual: On December 19 2012 11:06 Mocsta wrote:
@Chromatically
(1) So far you are my best town read. (Based on your other comments in thread)
I concede "Best town read" is open to interpretation as "good town read".
It is clear I expressed my decision based off more than 1 post, but here Threesr attempts direct manipulation of fact.
Why?
Threesr is attempting to condemn with no evidence.
The addition of "one post" is a nice subtle reminder of his hidden agenda - SCUM BEHAVIOUR.
(2) Threesr: "Asking a million questions in order to appear pro-town without providing any substance"
Actual: Townies know their innocence, and are seeking the scum hunt.
Threesr, for your benefit in future games (if you dont get modkilled again..) only scum think about trying to appear pro-town.
Your interpretation of my behaviour correlates to your role in this game SCUM and in my opinion is a clear slip and to add further insult to injury, is an extremely poor attempt [again] @ fact manipulation.
(3) Threesr: First he says "Personally, I do not think Threesr is Mafia." then "I agree if no scummier target, lets lynch him
Actual: On December 19 2012 23:57 Mocsta wrote:This is going against the trend, but my priority is to lynch mafia. Personally, I do not think Threesr is Mafia. The conclusion is: I currently view Threesr as a future uncertainty to deal with (i.e. interests may or may not be vested in Town, but I do not think is mafia). [Having just now viewed Cakepie post Show nested quote +Has posted nothing but useless one- and two- liners. It is coming up to daytime EST, time to step up your play or else. As I and others have already mentioned, lurking is not acceptable here. In the absence of scummier targets, I will not hesitate to lynch you. I agree if no scummier target, lets lynch him. However, i implore that with the remaining ~30hrs we do our best to find a candidate with more certainty.
My post is quite clear cut. I advocate Threesr as a threat, but without enough post history, mafia is difficult to ascertain.
The stance is also obvious, I think Threesr is a threat to town, but not a top priority. [Based on others also lurking]
(Note: I even "implore" town to find another candiate for Day 1)
Threesr knows Town will be coming after him, perhaps Day 2 or Day 3, so is trying to negate the threat by targeting me
Unfortunately, with all the pressure to mount a case founded upon quicksand, he has had to resort to quote misrepresentation to convey himself.
This equates to lying. And is grounds for a vote & lynch come Day 1.
##:Threesr
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On December 20 2012 00:49 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 00:22 Mocsta wrote:On December 20 2012 00:09 Spaghetticus wrote:
Personally I would like people to focus their efforts away from Mocsta and Cakepie, and focus almost exclusively on the lurkers. If they do happen to be scum then at this rate they will leave a trail and we will nail them day two.
Im dead regardless. End of Night 1, I suspect I will be shot. Hopefully we have a medic that likes me *sigh* Is there a particular reason you posted this?
Yeah, I thought it was pretty clean cut. Perhaps not.
Based on the current status quo, I think its reasonable to assume I will be mafia killed Night 1, unless given some form of protection?
I was not asking for a medic to step forward, and will not ask them to step forward. [If exists]
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On December 20 2012 00:54 threesr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 00:22 Mocsta wrote:On December 20 2012 00:09 Spaghetticus wrote:
Personally I would like people to focus their efforts away from Mocsta and Cakepie, and focus almost exclusively on the lurkers. If they do happen to be scum then at this rate they will leave a trail and we will nail them day two.
Im dead regardless. End of Night 1, I suspect I will be shot. Hopefully we have a medic that likes me *sigh* So now you are softclaiming a power role out of nowhere? lol.
Nice twist again. Completely aligns with your fact misrepresentation I discussed in my case against you the previous post.
Threesr, you are scum
I did not soft claim anything. Its clear cut what I wrote.
If you can't interpret the meaning of "hopefully" then I don't think you are cut out for forum mafia...
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