EPTedit: on a totally unrelated note, has anyone played around with a jailkeeper mechanic where the jailkeeper and the jailee get a QT during the night?
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edit: on a totally unrelated note, has anyone played around with a jailkeeper mechanic where the jailkeeper and the jailee get a QT during the night? | ||
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What Prome said. | ||
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Djo, I will policy lynch you if you spend too much time on setup speculation | ||
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 Well good luck to you all./obs | ||
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I'll /in for him and he can replace me immediately? :D /in | ||
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edit: Also, slight meta change, less "spammy" | ||
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Who when what? Even if thatis somehow true I can hardly believe it! Anyway, lurkers policy lynch or not? Might as well get this out of the thread ASAP. I'd rather lynch a coinflip lurker than a weak scumread, especially if that person is more helpful to town than said lurker. | ||
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On December 10 2012 09:45 debears wrote: Haha <3 And Djo, how serious do you think that vote was? And why exactly could you not see townie me posting a video? Did you read paranoia? debears how do you manage to try to imply you are town by a meta example after you've made 3 posts. "How could I possibly be scum when I did this thing makes me look townie?!?!" Maybe because you're aware of said thing....? Seriously, don't do that anymore. | ||
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On December 10 2012 10:23 jaybrundage wrote: Hey guys just finished work ten hour shift zzzz. Reading up so far. It appears. That thrawn either made a pretty big scum slip. Or maybe he just made a big mistake as town. There wasn't any point to claiming miller. As if anyone read the OP (as they should it) they would know millers arent self aware. So first your lying. I only seeing this make sense as scum. If you didnt know that miller was self aware. Then your thought process is that you self claim miller. A you can waste a DT check. Or make DT's ineffective against you. As town i see no reason to lie about your role. Please give your reasoning. Because as far it doesn't make any sense. Also I thought the point about debears. Posting a video to not enage in conversation was interesting. Not a scum tell or anything. But a video wont help us find scum some good solid conversation will. Okay, so you call him town or scum, then you call him a liar which only makes sense as scum (your words) This is your first post regarding thrawn's "miller claim" On December 10 2012 10:32 jaybrundage wrote: You tried to brush off bears vote. And then when the whole thread is asking you to explain you dont give an answer. Ok heres my thought of process. IF you dont wanna get lynched today your gonna have to try harder then that. If your a town player then your gonna have to put some effort in your defense because as it is I could totally see my self lynching you. I dont wanna start an early easy bandwagon. But your making a pretty good case for your self why your scum. Here you call him town again, but you "could totally see yourself lynching him" You also add you don't want to "start an early/easy bandwagon". Why not? You think he's scum, right? No wait you think he's town.... So you're threatening to start a bandwagon on someone who you think is town because he's playing anti town? On December 10 2012 10:37 jaybrundage wrote: Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective Wait... never mind. He's scummy again, there is no other explanation than him being scum!!!!!! On December 10 2012 12:27 jaybrundage wrote: I swear to god if thrawn doesnt explain him self. Hes the most anti town player i have seen in a while. Frustrating really. I am only hesitant to vote him because i dont like early bandwagons in general. It hurts the conversation and shit to read if we all are voting the same person. Regardless of how unlogical his claims maybe (for town). Thrawn can you please drop your sharade and just attempt to explain your reasoning. Or as i said before your gonna get lynched Oh my god you guys he's playing so anti-town!!!!! I AM SO ANGRY, EXPLAIN OR GET LYNCHED, I DONT WANT TO LYNCH YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE TOWN!!!! Chronological order of Jay's comments: - Could be town or scum - He's lying, only makes sense as scum - He's probably town, but I want to lynch him - He's totally scum, I'm just not voting for him because it would be an easy bandwagon! - He's playing super anti-town! Thrawn please shape up because I'll lynch you if I have to! Some questions for everyone to answer: - Why does Jay think Thrawn would be an easy bandwagon? - Why does Jay care if Thrawn is easy to lynch or not, if he truly believe he was scum? - Why does Jay flip-flop so hard from town/anti-town/scum in the course of a couple of hours, without thrawn saying anything that would change his perception? I'll answer them all for you, Jay is scum. ##Vote jaybrundage | ||
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It's not that you don't put your vote where your mouth is, it's the REASON you don't vote. You shouldn't care what's easy and what's not, all you need to care about is who is scum, and try to get your strongest scumread lynched. I would love it if you linked some games in where you claimed this has happened to you. I would also love it if you walked us through a scum thrawn's reasoning for doing what he did. | ||
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Do you find that a likely story? Keep in mind he claimed super early, if we were in a setup where millers were self-aware he would be at risk of being counter-claimed and being under heavy suspicion and lynched at some point for sure. (it is common for millers to claim early, the later the claim the more likely it is scum because scum likes to wait to make sure there will be no counter-claim). No, your reaction makes no sense to me. Clearly I've read your posts but how can you be happy about it, seeing as (working from the scenario in which you are town) I am clearly misrepresenting you. How can you be happy about that? From your experience an easy lynch is "a bus or a mislynch", which is to say we're either lynching scum or town (dur). So how does that change anything? | ||
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On December 10 2012 22:04 marvellosity wrote: On jay, I'm ok on how he explained his 'slips'. My only worry with jay is that he comes across as overly... compliant?: "Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them." "I do appreciate you giving your reasoning behind your claim. It helps me understand you a bit." I don't particularly think much of it atm, was just weird when I was reading them. I would say it was indicative of the fact he didn't want to ruffle feathers, but he's not been afraid to put himself out there, so it isn't that. His response reminds me of my own scum game. I showed no emotion that game, I just tried to remain logical and not to ruffle anyone's feathers, thinking that if I kept that up eventually people would stay away from me because I answered every question and reasoned away any doubt. @ Jay I read some of the stuff in your linked games, and yes you lyched town D1 but I never saw you say anything remotely close to "well I guess I should be more careful of early bandwagons". Not during any of the games and not in the pre-games or post-games either. The thing is, you say you don't want to jump on an "easy bandwagon" this game, but you do. All you don't do is you haven't voted for thrawn, but he's the only person you've put pressure on. So why mention it? It's an easy way out. | ||
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On December 11 2012 01:32 jaybrundage wrote: It seems like common sense. If I get on easy bandwagons as town. Shouldn't i avoid em? Im not you I don't find it necessary or needed to call people dumb or idiots like some players here do. It is it that unexpected to show some respect to people : / I call people dumb or idiots? So other than Thrawn, who is an easy bandwagon to you so should be avoided, who stands out as scummy? | ||
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On December 11 2012 02:50 Vivax wrote: My analysis is the end of that post. Thrawn acts as if he had some kind of plan behind his actions, and VE defending him doesn't take that into consideration, but thinks of it as a joke. Clarity, may I know why you are so disinterested in thrawns claim? You were the first to point out his mistake and never gave a fuck about it. I don't feel like I can just let this matter go. Thrawn could have talked about it as a joke, instead he acts as if he did it on purpose. He's probably just realized that he's made a big mistake, and further talking about him will harm him no matter what. I took it as a joke and moved on. His casual response to me saying millers aren't self aware made me conclude it was a null tell. His reaction to where he acts like he did it on purpose is rather dull, his explanation of "I wanted to spark discussion" seems legitimate. I actually just want people to stop talking about it as it's not that interesting. | ||
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Your soft defense of Jay reads as "he's too scummy to be scum" Maybe saying "I don't want to be on an early bandwagon" is not optimal scum play, but please explain how you reach this statement as a town player. Are you truly buying his story of "I've mislynched as town because of easy wagons, so I'm avoiding it by pressuring the early wagon without putting my vote there!"? He has not focused on anything else other than the thing he calls an easy bandwagon, but then he gives himself a lifeboat by saying he doesn't want to be part of the easy bandwagon, does this not smell like scum to you from a mile away? | ||
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On December 11 2012 03:42 Vivax wrote: After thinking about thrawns actions more thoroughly, there's another aspect that I think noone mentioned so far: If he was a scum fakeclaiming, believing that millers are self-aware, he would take the risk of facing a counterclaim. As others mentioned, he's drawn attention with that. But identifying scum with stereotypes isn't exactly the way. Why wouldn't scum be able to draw attention and get away with it? He would have made following mistakes: 1. Overlooked the rule about self-awareness. Obvious. 2. Forgotten to consider another miller, under the premise that he really made mistake 1. I don't believe it was a joke though, rather some sort of strategy. Maybe he would have brought these points up by himself at some point, betting on town not believing that he would do such mistakes. So after mentioning how I've ignored the whole situation you're going to parrot me? On December 10 2012 14:47 Clarity_nl wrote: So you're saying he's scum, but didn't know millers weren't self aware? Do you find that a likely story? Keep in mind he claimed super early, if we were in a setup where millers were self-aware he would be at risk of being counter-claimed and being under heavy suspicion and lynched at some point for sure. (it is common for millers to claim early, the later the claim the more likely it is scum because scum likes to wait to make sure there will be no counter-claim). No, your reaction makes no sense to me. Clearly I've read your posts but how can you be happy about it, seeing as (working from the scenario in which you are town) I am clearly misrepresenting you. How can you be happy about that? From your experience an easy lynch is "a bus or a mislynch", which is to say we're either lynching scum or town (dur). So how does that change anything? | ||
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On December 11 2012 04:43 jaybrundage wrote: I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers. And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me. Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum. ##Vote Vivax (Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.) What changed? On December 11 2012 03:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Clarity: Perhaps he feels responsible for mislynches in the past? I don't know WHY he said that...I just feel like the statement is more likely to come from town than scum. I didn't say anything LIKE "too scummy to be scum". I pointed out that his posts read more town than scum to me. What do you think about Vivax? I want him to hang. Haven't made up my mind yet. | ||
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Yeah his opening post is a humongous waste of time, but it's just one post. Jay on the other hand I have a real reason to lynch. I don't buy it. Being scared to lynch a townie is all well and good, but being scared of jumping on the "easy bandwagon" because that makes him town (but he's scum in his eyes) is ridiculous. He also just 180'd on thrawn without explaining why. On December 11 2012 06:07 Vivax wrote: He's trying to justify every move he makes and being pretty careful in general. Holy shit, he even digs through his own meta to justify his "Ohmahgawdidontwannabandwagon". Meanwhile, he does exactly that, he catches up some sentiment in town and rides it when he feels it's strong enough. Check the filter. Until his "hit the bed" post, upon which he voted for me, he never updated his stance on thrawn, he never got the response he's been expecting from him. In theory, jay should have commented on my posts about thrawn, if not even supported them. But when he has to defend himself, he posts all sorts of shit. When he has to vote for someone, he never does it on his own initiative. Additionally, he tries to moderate other people. Another thing by jay in his last post: Same shit as with Tunkeg. He says that thrawn himself said it was a joke. Bullshit. Find the line where he says that. They both didn't even read. But unlike Tunkeg, Jay felt that thrawn was a liar and scum, and voted for him when others did. He dug up those games because I asked, stop twisting things. | ||
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Well I'm glad I made you feel all clever, but my point is I'm sure he'll post more, and it'll become apparent whether he's scum or not (judging by his first post). I'm not willing to jump on a single post lynch and call it a day. | ||
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I'm glad you started making scumreads rather than soft defending a bunch of people though. Could you expand on Zbo? | ||
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On December 11 2012 06:33 Vivax wrote: Doesn't even matter why he does it as long as he does it, clarity. If you asked me to dig up my meta for you, I'll gently tell you to gtfo and read it for yourself, it's out there. However, I don't even want to get lost into details, I don't trust his style and that's all. I don't feel like lynching Tunkeg for one post. To me it looks like he's lazy. If he doesn't post more until the end of day 1 I'll think about changing opinion. On December 11 2012 06:52 Vivax wrote: Z-Boson is quite confrontational in his posts. I don't think he's scum as of now, but I think he should post more. I didn't like Tunkegs response, he could have spent time posting more against others instead of reacting to my post with one line. I'd join you in a Tunkeg vote, not in for Z-Boson though. What? | ||
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On December 11 2012 07:08 Vivax wrote: I'll go read the thread and scratch my balls some more. I'm clearly missing too much stuff  .Look at me guys, I'm completely useless, don't rely on me. On December 11 2012 07:08 Vivax wrote: I still don't like your defensive style jaybro. Nothing personal. You don't like his style? Do you think he's scum? On December 11 2012 07:08 Vivax wrote: Meanwhile, you can discuss how weird it is that I'm willing to lynch Tunkeg after his second post, Clarity looks willing to help in that, he's being like, my personal journalist. That is weird. Weirder still is the fact that you mention it but don't expand on it. I don't like that you mention "I'm willing to lynch this other guy too!", as if it really doesn't matter to you who we lynch. | ||
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On December 11 2012 07:41 Tunkeg wrote: How about you let me scumhunt the way I want to? There is plenty of spammers in this game, who have posted alot of nonsense. I will post when I feel I have something to post, I will not be sitting here nitpicking and twisting the words of every other post. Show me an example of you scumhunting, then. | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:08 Palmar wrote: There's a lot more to take from it! @marv: Why do you not want to kill adam? right from hist first post in the thread I noticed something off about his posting, and I don't have a problem with debears's case. I also agree with clarity's case on jay. In addition I don't think Vivax is scum. I'm not sure on bugs, I need to understand how and why he's picking a fight with me. I honestly thought he knew I was going to stream but it looks like he was completely unaware, or his outburst against me would've been kinda pointless Perhaps, but I didn't really have any eye opening moments. I think your video benefits scum more since you were taking the perspective of a townie, meaning most of what you said aligned with my thoughts. Why do you think Vivax isn't scum? | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:26 debears wrote: You as well. Otherwise that means I suck at this game.... Are you saying you have a townread on Palmar after he's made like 2 posts with knowledge of his alignment? | ||
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If Palmar after making his video opened up his pm and turns out he's scum, what is he more likely to do. 1. 180 on all his reads he made in the video 2. Keep up with his prior reads regardless of who his teammates are If he is scum, he hasn't had to think as one yet. | ||
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You implied you had a townread on him, I asked you why and reasoned why you shouldn't yet, and you got all defensive. | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:52 debears wrote: Do you not see that, if he doesn't know his alignment, then his ideas were from a townie mindset? Yes, dude, fuck. But you said "I'm bad if you're scum" which implies you believe he's town WHICH IS FUCKING DUMB | ||
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HE MADE THE READS WITHOUT KNOWING HIS ALIGNMENT, HOW CAN HIS READS THAT HE MADE BEFORE READING HIS PM BE ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:41 debears wrote: Please stop telling me who I should have a town read on. You don't like it? Vote me Because I won't stop telling you who you should have a scum or townread on, that's kind of my job as town. First I convince myself and then I convince others. Anyway I'm off to bed, please look at jay's filter, my case on jay and his reaction to it. Notice how he tried to slip away from all the thrawn stuff by explaining why he voted for him, but not explaining why his reasoning changed. Please notice he has yet to pressure anyone and he has yet to put an original thought together. All he's done lately is tell others to be productive On December 11 2012 09:17 jaybrundage wrote: im curious at what point did you check your role. I wish you would push more content out palmar the day is more then half over and you have mostly posted about your stream. On December 11 2012 07:49 jaybrundage wrote: Tunkeg your here no reason to lurk. Its bad for town. @Z-Boston Your case on Djodref is pretty good. He has a lack of scum hunting going back and forth with out any good reasons. I would also like to see from our MunkE and adam hasnt been here for a while. Also I would like to see WBG and VE's thoughts on Djodref and Z-Bostons case GUYS WHY DON'T YOU DO THE STUFF I'M NOT DOING?! Do the right thing, vote jaybrundage! Cya'll tomorrow. | ||
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Why does everyone find it weird that when directly asked to make it more clear what his read is on debears he answers slightly scummy, and then quite a bit later explains that when he said "I'll call you scum when I think you're scum", which in my head means he's not confident in debears being scum.... hence the leaning part, no? Am I missing something? | ||
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Okay, so the post in question where adam treats debears as town is this: On December 11 2012 10:06 Adam4167 wrote: Dabears, you seem to be misunderstanding what I mean by "If I wanted to call you scummy, I would have". This is not me giving an indication as to my read on his alignment one way or another, this was me saying "I will call you scum when I am more confident that it is the case". I found his initial opening to be strange as its not something I can imagine myself doing, so I wanted him to explain his motives behind it. He did, eventually and I can relate to hating the initial policy discussion. I find Thrawn most likely a town with a risky opening. I did what I did early game to try and get a reaction out of him, it wasn't entirely productive, but I have a tentative read on thrawn from it. Now, I'm going to sit down and watch Palmars video and give my thoughts. You're right, it's about thrawn my bad. But I still don't get it. If jay walked in and interpreted my post wrong I would clarify as well, why is it necessarily a scum mindset? | ||
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On December 11 2012 12:15 marvellosity wrote: also, why aren't you in bed Clarity? why aren't I? Once I wake, I'm done for. | ||
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Saying he forgot who he was pressuring is like saying BH forgot who his mason partner was, so it was just him being... nicer than his other posts? Adam might be scum but I don't see how that "scumslip" suddenly condemns him, and like Thrawn am rather confused you "dropped" (yes I realize you said you didn't drop it) your vote on Tunkeg. On December 11 2012 12:32 debears wrote: Clarity there are two problematic parts with the adam post 1) he uses the word "misunderstand", which implies that he thinks I am town. Yet, he has his vote on me and has called me scummy 2) He goes out of his way to explain his thrawn thing with someone who he thinks is scummy and he has a vote on That's scummy. No questions asked What are you saying, that scum are incapable of misunderstanding anything? | ||
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On December 11 2012 12:43 marvellosity wrote: so i'm still awake. how are the two remotely similar? stop talking nonsense. BH was just a total moron for a while. Would you suggest that's what's going on here?? Yes I understand, I'm just pointing out odds are he did not forget who his vote was on, that doesn't somehow absolve him. I still don't see it/agree with the fact that it's a "scumslip. You guys are saying that a town Adam would say debears is twisting his words and lying, but again why is that the only thing he would say? Why can't a town Adam think a scum debears is misunderstanding him and just clarify, without him going "OMFG BTW UR SCUM!!!!" Scum don't push scum agendas with every post, and town don't push their lynch with every post..... Anyway I guess I'll just let Adam speak for himself but don't expect an Adam vote from me unless there's an actual case that goes beyond this one point. | ||
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On December 11 2012 12:56 debears wrote: That's really convenient clarity, because as far as I could tell he had only talked about me and thrawn. And he only called me scum. He must have a really bad memory. Anyways I have to read his case on Vivax @everyone didn't someone else make a case on vivax? If so can you tell me what page it is on? Reading comprehension, acquire some. | ||
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On December 11 2012 17:26 Tunkeg wrote: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... You should probably vote then. It looks like you are trying to convince yourself I am scum. You are looking at what I am saying with the notion: "He is scum", and you make everything I say fit into that notion. Also, if you think this is me being upset, you might get surprised when I do  On December 11 2012 17:36 Tunkeg wrote: I am not treating you like town. I am saying you are capable of getting me lynched regardless of allignment. And imo it is your "debatish" attitude towards the game that have given you a reputation for being a strong scumplayer. Your way of misrepresenting facts and winning arguements when being wrong helps you as scum, but is not that great when you are town. Either way you are wrong here, I am town, so you are either scum deliberatly trying to misrepresent the facts, or town overeager to win the arguement and not seeing the truth. Okay I'm willing to consolidate on Tunkeg at this point. Still want my Jay lynch though. | ||
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On December 11 2012 20:54 Palmar wrote: I'll admit that I find it easier to roll with the crowd wanting to lynch adam (myself, debears, marv) than with the crowd wanting to lynch jay (djodref, bluelightz, VE etc). It's a ridiculously dangerous game trying to guess someone's alignment based on the actions of others (the people voting him), but I just like the Adam lynch a whole lot better. I admit this has been a nagging doubt all game for me. The "wrong" people are on the wagon I started. Although I had the same feeling with Sandroba in Chrono and he flipped red just fine. marv could you explain why jay is such an easy mislynch? Did you mean in the context of this game? Because the way you said it you made it sound like that's his meta. | ||
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On December 12 2012 01:43 Bluelightz wrote: Aight. From the thread, I'm gonna vote ##Vote: Adam4167 Because of Palmar's case and my own reasons. I believe this is the most helpful vote I can put in before I sleep as I have school so can't be here @ the deadline. What are your own reasons? | ||
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On December 12 2012 01:45 Bluelightz wrote: Losing confidence in his lynch, so I switched to Adam because it will probably be the lynch (barring any new cases while I sleep) and because of the reasons I have listed. Are you losing confidence in his lynch or are you losing confidence that he is scum? | ||
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See, here's the problem with that explanation, that post is so vaguely worded it's hard to derive anything from it. You just threw our random suspicion.... "oh you guys this looks kinda weird, dunno!" You never said it looked scummy or townie or why. Please explain why you think he's scum other than the reasons Palmar gave. | ||
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I do not agree that taking every opportunity to defend yourself is townie at all, I actually find it rather scummy. If someone is clearly wrong you do not need to respond, it's scum who feel "caught" that feel the need to respond. | ||
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On December 12 2012 02:04 marvellosity wrote: The number of people 'uncomfortable' or whatever word you want to use about Adam's lynch makes me feel quite good about it at the moment. Although I kind of understand it, if you believe I'm town you must believe I'm uncomfortable for legitimate reasons, right? Do you think that if adams is scum no scum votes are on him yet? | ||
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On December 12 2012 02:37 Vivax wrote: Wtf Tunkeg, can't you share your reads some earlier instead of going martyr-mode at this time. Stop doing this, it's not helpful, you're just taking up space. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [giant post] + On December 10 2012 21:37 Bluelightz wrote: Alright, from reading the thread here's some rapid fire scum reads and suspicions - as well as answers after I play some games after posting this. Firstly, thrawn. What I find suspicious about him is that first, he only answers questions when pressured, this is an example of trying not to give information to town and because he has a bunch of one-liners in his filter. Also, shall we take a look at his vote? Oh, it's on WBG, why is it on WBG??? He says that WBG has rubbed him the scummiest out of all the responses, but I think his vote is justified, and thrawn's point is not. Because WBG says because his vote (at the time on thrawn) is because of LALiars, which is possibly true because we don't know thrawn's alignment and his intentions in doing that (although thrawn has explained why he claimed Miller, but in his explanation "It first was mostly a joke but it was also intended to jumpstart discussion", wait what? He's trying to shed a good light to his mostly bad action) Second, jaybrundage: It has been said by clarity already but how I think it is, it's a attempt to avoid pressure, also the sentence after: Does he give a bloody explanation on why thrawn is making a good case why he's scum? nope (so where's the info we can discuss bro?). Piggybacking other people's opinion and not giving one's own: Not giving information to the discussion. Also, lastly, I don't understand why he keeps pressuring thrawn for a response, is thrawn's response so pivotal to him? This along with clarity's case, I will vote jaybrundage. ##vote: jaybrundage So on my simple one post suspicions: Why, everyone knows that chances suck balls in mafia correct? This is as same as lying to be frank (does he know more than we do? Does he know more shit so he can base his 80% chance that Palmar is scum? Is this just an attempt to get a good town player d34d through the lynch?) Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective He says: 1) There's no town mindset in saying it 2) There's a lot of scum mindset Yet, he keeps warning thrawn he'll get lynch if he keeps it up. And the wishy-washiness despite having said the above "Hey he found it but I'll explain this thing he found!" Doesn't bother to read jaybrundage's filter, but simply describes what jay said in his post. Okay game time. Gonna drop my vote off in the voting thread The post itself contains not much of value, mostly BL calling things "suspicious" or "weird", never committing any kind of read, just pointing out things. Please note that he sheeps my case, but he adds reasoning of his own. His own reasoning however, is very weak and non-committal. At first I thought he was just sheeping because my case is good (because it is) but this is the first of two times that he's done this, and both times he added terrible reasons while full on sheeping someone else. At this point, after some small post for a couple of minutes, he leaves and doesn't come back until 24 hours later. The fact that he makes a really big post right before he disappears seems scummy to me, it means he anticipated to be gone for a while but he wanted to look active. On December 12 2012 01:43 Bluelightz wrote: Aight. From the thread, I'm gonna vote ##Vote: Adam4167 Because of Palmar's case and my own reasons. I believe this is the most helpful vote I can put in before I sleep as I have school so can't be here @ the deadline. Here is his voteswitch. First off, he doesn't mention why he switched away from Jay. When prompted he answered: On December 12 2012 01:45 Bluelightz wrote: Losing confidence in his lynch, so I switched to Adam because it will probably be the lynch (barring any new cases while I sleep) and because of the reasons I have listed. Notice the phrasing. He's "losing confidence in his lynch." Because of him "losing confidence" he switches to Adam. He explains why: "Because he will probably be the lynch and because Palmar and my reasons" Since I didn't know his reasons, I asked him what they were. He responded by quoting one of his older posts: On December 11 2012 21:58 Bluelightz wrote: On Adam, This caught my eye in Adam's filter, someone says "Oh Adam might be scum" he went into insta defensive mode, then he didn't address the accusation but only followed up with a counter vote. Seems strange? But in this post he is not calling Adam scummy. He is calling what he said "strange". Completely non-committal like anything else he's done. This is the second time he sheeped someone but tried to appear as if he wasn't sheeping. Scum cares about their appearance a hell of a lot more than town, and BL has made it quite clear how worried he is. He makes a giant post before leaving for 24 hours to appear active, he then sheeps people but tries to appear as if he's not sheeping. Bluelightz is scum. ##Vote Bluelightz | ||
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On December 12 2012 03:15 Vivax wrote: Thanks for noticing Clarity. I'm with ya, at least until I've finished reading the whole game another time. ##Vote Bluelightz Why does this demotivate me so. | ||
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On December 12 2012 03:47 debears wrote: A Bluelightz lynch is looking to easy. Clarity, 1) you want to lynch him because he posted reads. Posting reads, even rapid fire ones, is non alignment indicative 2) BL's posting, or lack thereof, has led him into the spotlight, and put him under massive pressure (unnecessary for scum to do so when they can just post once in a while to look like they are contributing) 3) Sheeping. You think your case is good, and you find him scummy cuz he sheeps you? that doesn't make sense Also, why would a town BL consolidate and sheep onto someone probably getting lynched? BECAUSE WE NEED 9 VOTES TO LYNCH SOMEONE AND HE WON'T BE HERE. The worst possible outcome we could have today is a no lynch I don't care if he posted reads or not. You ignore the main point of my case. My case shows he cares about his appearance way too much, which IS alignment indicative. How can you call the BL lynch too easy and as the same time discredit my case. Which one is it, is my case good but he's "too easy" or is my case bad. Can't be both. | ||
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On December 12 2012 03:54 debears wrote: You really think he cares about his appearance based on his posting???? really???? Yes, you don't? | ||
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On December 12 2012 03:58 Z-BosoN wrote: Hiro, you aren't counting my vote on Tunkeg. Hm. Tunkeg's appeal looks to me like a martyr of some sort. Why wait for a wagon on him to dish out reads? Anyways, I'm not sure I'd like a BL lynch. Clarity's case on him feels forced, and I'm really not feeling him being scum. Here's three reasons on why Tunkeg is the best lynch we have. 1. Equation: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=32#632 (this makes little sense from a town perspective) 2. Meta: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=25#481 3. Lack of Scumhunting: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=225844 @marv: After reading the above, do you still figure this: Because, afaik, Adam actually went after vivax and has some signs of being interested in the game. You know his meta better than I, but Tunkeg's just not feeling right, especially with bit #1 and #3. Also, what is your say on point #2? Bug's meta examples were pretty convincing. @Clarity_nl: actually hold on there buddy. Here you show that jay was your top scumread and you clearly wanted to lynch him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=423&topic_id=384953 Here you say that you don't like an Adam lynch: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=24#464 And here you say that you enjoy a Tunkeg lynch: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=26#509 But then you suddenly make a case on BL and try to make a wagon on him. If you really enjoyed a Tunkeg lynch, then why aren't you at least commenting on it or on the cases that stand on it? Why is BL a better choice than Tunkeg? Whatever happened do Jay?? Don't you still find him scum? What has he done to change your opinion of him? I said I would consolidate on him, he has a good chance of flipping scum. My jay lynch isn't happening today so I'm moving on. BL did something incredibly scummy so I made a case, and I believe him to be the scummiest person in this game right now. @ debears He has a couple of one liners that aren't alignment indicative at all. | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:00 debears wrote: Do you want to grow some balls and actually call me scum? That's the town perspective. Clarity failed to address that his actions can be explained by a bored/lazy townie Bored/lazy town doesn't make a huge post of reads when they know they're gonna be inactive for a bit. | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:03 debears wrote: Clarity, if you think your case on jay is so good, why in the fuck are you not rallying people to jay?????? Because a lot of people showed they disagreed and there is no momentum. I also don't have anything to add about jay since making that case, and repeating myself a lot seems pointless. I can easily revisit it tomorrow, today I want BL lynched. | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:06 Z-BosoN wrote: Oopsies daisies! There, voted. Clarity, if you are as certain as you seemed earlier that he's scum, why aren't you pushing him? Because BL made a post that makes him scum, and I am more certain of him. If he hadn't done that I would be pushing jay more or consolidating on tunkeg, not sure. | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:06 debears wrote: Exactly. And that's the majority of his filter. Clarity here's the link to his filter, I don't think you've read it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=235418 There is only one big post in there. And he makes comments about three people Where are you getting this nonsense from? Read my goddamn case and stop burying it in your disjointed thoughts spread out over 5 posts. I say his filter shows he cares about his appearance too much. You say he clearly doesn't because he has one liners. I say his one liners aren't alignment indicative. You say his filter is only made up of one liners. BUT ITS FUCKING NOT, READ MY CASE | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:07 debears wrote: Lol. This is not a townie mindset at all You believe so strongly you are right? We have what, 6 hours til lynch? And you aren't pushing your lynch???????????????????????????????????????????????? The fuck>? I am pushing my lynch, my lynch changed. How is this hard to understand? | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:12 debears wrote: Lol. You are making no sense right now. Jay has been the second leading candidate behind adam for most of the time. Now, you suddenly want to lynch bluelights when you believe your jay case is so good? Which case do you think is better? Jay has been the person with the 2nd most votes. Doesn't make him a likely lynch. There was no momentum on him. My BL case is better or I wouldn't have my vote on him. | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:17 Vivax wrote: If it comforts you, me and Clarity probably too won't allow a no-lynch to happen. Also cause noone wants to be responsible of a no lynch, so it's not really alignment indicative. If we rally enough people for BL though, then you'Ll have to wait for Adam. Jesus Christ dude get away from me. | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:19 debears wrote: Lol. Wow. I don't understand how you can see posting one liners as caring too much about your appearance. That doesn't make sense. BL is doing exactly what would get him attention, something which scum usually don't want. He's posting one (and two ) liners and then sheeping like crazy with shitty reasoning. In other words, he obviously doesn't give a shit how the town views him.If you want to lynch BL for doing nothing for town, that's better reasoning. The problem with that is munk-e, tunkeg, jay, and VE all have been afk as fuck d1. Stop twisting my words and stop repeating yourself. Read my case. If you had you would know why I think he cares too much about his appearance. | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:07 Clarity_nl wrote: marv any thoughts on my BL case? | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:19 marvellosity wrote: BL gonna be BL. He does all of that shit all the time. You said this about jay too, you have any idea how frustrating it is that you brush away both my cases because they're on a certain person. They're both scummy as shit, and I refuse to believe it's just because their town play is bad. | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:31 marvellosity wrote: he's not pushing to keep himself alive at all Well it is looking rather hopeless for him, since it's a majority lynch and there's lots of lurkers. | ||
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Let me answer you, Adam, the earlier you make a crumb the more legitimate. | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:54 marvellosity wrote: adam is scum but your whole argument is retarded no-one crumbs vigi, vigis fucking shoot people and say they did. Eh, my experience so far is people crumb it, crumbs are never a bad thing, the lack of them disturbs me. His claim is scummy as fuck and that's why I switched my vote. | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:58 marvellosity wrote: find me anyone who ever crumbed vigi in the whole world ever Hopeless in mario | ||
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On December 12 2012 10:53 marvellosity wrote: I'd say the best place to look right now is the reluctant joiners when there was no other options than the people who didn't vote for him in the end. I agree, despite being in that group myself. I'm making a habit of doing that. | ||
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Cya'll in the morning. | ||
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On December 13 2012 00:45 Tunkeg wrote: Nah, its the same people I have called dumb earlier. Maybe they haven't noticed or forgot. Don't want to insult them more, they might just not do as told to spite me. Glad you're not jk then. Your head is disproportionally big to the ego that you should have. Also, you've called plenty of people dumb and I don't recall a single one of them being more of an idiot than you. | ||
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On December 13 2012 02:19 marvellosity wrote: well it's not really a response at all, is it. Or, it's a Bluelightz response. I don't know that I wouldn't expect that from EITHER a town or a scum BL. BL's sitting on the scummier side for me right now just through elimination. Can you name some games off the top of your head where he's town? | ||
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It's not the fact that he calls something weird or strange instead of scummy, it's that he calls NOTHING scummy. He just spreads suspicion without committing in any way. I just went through GSL open II and Rock Band and in both cases Bluelightz was nothing like this game. He was trying to figure stuff out, even if he was wrong. He was pushing people. This game he has done none of it. He made a giant post because he knew he'd be gone for a while and he sheeps people but trying to appear as if he has his own reasons. The "reasons" he had for voting adam was a post he had made way before that, saying he found something Adam did strange, but then he never followed it up with a question or anything. It's not that it's scummy to sheep someone but also have your own reasons but BL's reasons are either bad or non-existant. | ||
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On December 13 2012 08:08 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm ready to ragequit this game given how fucking frustrating and time consuming this is. I can't defend myself from every player in the game and actually make decent reads. Sure you can, besides three people attacking you is hardly everyone. No one is stopping you from making decent reads, bring em on. | ||
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I also have a crumb but if no one wants it I'll keep the method to myself. | ||
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Just makes me wrong sometimes, something I'd like to stop doing. | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:25 debears wrote: I'm 2/3 for scum d1 lynches in non newbie games. I get to scum b4 thry can nk me. In other words, I will soon surpass marv The size of your head will surpass his, sure. You had a fucking townread on Palmar when had made one post repeating the reads he made before reading his role pm. | ||
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Palmar confirmed not reading the thread. | ||
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Can we just kill BL now, please? | ||
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BL scum, srsly. | ||
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On December 13 2012 11:01 Vivax wrote: Read my fucking post Hapa, I literally said the same thing about Djo. Before going to bed I remembered that someone asked the Jailer to protect Palmar earlier, does anyone remember who it was? Tunkeg. Why does it matter? | ||
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On December 13 2012 13:25 jaybrundage wrote: Also Clarity why aren't you still going for me as your main scum read. What changed your mind. Do you still think im scum? So for spamming thread btw guys : / You might be. I'm more convinced on a scum BL though, bugs having a townread on you also makes me hesitate. Don't be ridiculous btw, I'm not scum and there's like a 1000 reasons why. I shot the guy who was probably going to get lynched tomorrow and who I agreed with looked like scum. | ||
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On December 13 2012 14:00 jaybrundage wrote: If clarity didn't suck at scum hunting, maybe I wouldn't consider voting him. As it is, he tried to lynch me, and wasn't going for the adam lynch at all. He has yet to help us lynch a scum yet. If he succeeded at derailing the adam lynch to me we would have two dead townies Ehhh.... hypocrit much? But if you want to lynch people because they're bad at scumhunting then feel free to try. | ||
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I think it's likely that debears and marv were targets of scum kp and vigi, as picking debears as your only nk would be weird. | ||
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On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote: Lemme point out some stuff in the game: Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right" I only give additional info because I got asked? No one asked me to look into your meta. Also note how you've posted nothing of value since my case on you, so there's nothing to report other than you're still scum. Your response to my case was pitiful and not worth commenting on. | ||
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On December 13 2012 18:30 Bluelightz wrote: Lemme point out stuff in the game: Clarity has been pushing me by asking people for their opinion on his supposedly good case. Then, he only gives additional information when asked (Look at Bluelightz meta). Then events on the night correspond with the best chances for me getting lynched, debears the person that opposed my lynch the most is supposedly shot. Lastly, has he actually responded to my response? does he give a fuck about me than just "Oh he's scum, ignore everything. My case has to be right" Do you believe I'm scum? Because if you think I'm scum this should not be what you think I'm thinking. | ||
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On December 13 2012 19:55 Palmar wrote: No, debears started the accusations against Adam, so he was essentially confirmed town, it's not weird for scum to shoot into confirmed townies. I understand that, but leaving both you and marv alive if you're both town (which so far I think you are) would be.... not that smart. | ||
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So why are you discrediting me as a player, rather than my case on you. Why does my "effort" matter to you. Why have you acted this way to me ever since I made my case on you, yet you think I'm town. Better yet, why don't you have a scumread on anyone? | ||
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On December 13 2012 20:12 Bluelightz wrote: Where did the second shot come from if then? Me and scum kp, wtf. | ||
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I got no traction on BL day 1, and I was asking for feedback on him throughout the nightcycle but didn't get it. I didn't wanna ruin the game by being the guy shouting BL is scum for 24 hours, then shooting him when no one agreed with me and him flipping town somehow. tl;dr: insecurities and selfish reasons. | ||
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On December 13 2012 20:52 Palmar wrote: I also find it intriguing you never once addressed Adam, yet you have 93 instances of his name in your filter (including inside quotes). You directly interacted with both Tunkeg and Jay. You also attempted to counter-wagon Adam's lynch using both of them as targets. WHY DO YOU SAY THIS RIGHT AFTER CALLING ME TOWN, BAFFLES MY MIND. You find it intiguing?!?! Can we just lynch this fucker. | ||
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On December 14 2012 23:58 marvellosity wrote: let's not lynch BL, i'm enjoying his feistiness Palmar, I spent quite some time in Djo's filter yesterday and I just didn't feel as strongly about it as you seem to, nor do I think it is the correct 'solution'. I need to recheck this 'lie' bit though. Really? How does him being pissed off at the world after doing nothing for 5 days make him more likely town in your eyes? | ||
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On December 15 2012 00:18 marvellosity wrote: It doesn't, I should probably have attached a smiley or something. I just laughed out loud at his post with the spoilered "nope". Sarcasm gets lost on me, in text. I'm going to read through Tunkeg and BL again. I would much prefer a BL lynch, if Tunkeg couldn't get lynched would you consolidate on BL? | ||
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Does anyone know if he's played much before this? Going through his profile real quick it's 3-4 games but they're fairly old. | ||
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On December 11 2012 07:56 Tunkeg wrote: By scummy in front of thrawn's claim, do you mean before thrawn claimed? If so, no, because he didn't post before thrawn claimed. If I think Djordref's play is more scummy in general than thrawn's claim, then yes, as I do find thrawn's claim more townie than scummy, and Djordref's play slightly scummy. I am not sure where you want to go with this question... Are you telling me he's scum who forgot that town has to scumhunt? | ||
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On December 15 2012 00:40 Vivax wrote: I'm not doing jackshit. If you don't have a townread on me, you clearly need to l2p. Not doing jackshit and doing jackshit mean the same thing. And you're right. | ||
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I'm willing to consolidate on Tunkeg, I convinced myself. Reading Djo now, but for the love of god please consider BL, mainly all the stuff before my case because all the stuff after my case is him giving up afaik. Marv you say there's no scum agenda but just because you played scum with him and he forced a scum agenda this one time does not mean it's his scum play 100%. As you pointed out, look at how excited he was to be back and play and now look at how he's playing. | ||
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How about you just go back to calling everyone idiots, the look suits you. Seriously, make an actual case or do some actual analysis or don't bother, now you're just taking up space. | ||
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On December 15 2012 00:58 Palmar wrote: Actually Clarity, look back on a few things about Bluelightz: He defended debears in the Adam/BL exchange. He made this post quite early: The timing of his vote on Adam is very important here too: BL was the fourth person to cast a vote on Adam. At the time Tunkeg lead with 4 votes, and Adam/Jay were tied at 3. If BL is scum it must have been a designed bus from that point on. There was no need for BL to step on the Adam wagon if he was scum right there. In fact, I would argue his vote starts the swing to an Adam lynch. I've addressed it in my case. That first post on Adam is like all his other commentary at the start of the game. "Oh, this is weird", "oh, that is strange!" Then when he has to leave and won't be back before lynch he parks his vote on Adam (which is the best decision scumwise. You won't be around to defend him so this is either a bus or a clever vote depending on if Adam gets lynched) He votes for Adam and then he throws in "Palmar's case and my own reasons". I had to ask him for his reasons and he quoted his own post, the very post that you just showed me. Give me a break. | ||
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On December 15 2012 01:07 Palmar wrote: If people are wondering how I'm working atm I've got like these almost certainly townies: thrawn, clarity, bluelightz these probably/maybe townies marv, jay, grush these hmm pfff hmm (need to read more on them all) tunkeg, Z-bos, hapa these shit tier people VE, Vivax, Djodref Why is grush probably town and why is hapa null? I don't agree with BL town but I'll consolidate for now and revisit it tomorrow. ##Unvote | ||
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On December 15 2012 02:59 Vivax wrote: Tunkeg are you scum or are we all just stupid? According to you we're all stupid. | ||
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On December 15 2012 03:14 Vivax wrote: So, essentially I'm wondering if I should vote for him. It makes me sad though that noone's in for BL. If you get people like BL, grush and jay to endgame it becomes a damn casino. But I see clarity is preparing for a shitstorm against me, probably he's out of cheese or something. No, I just have no idea what you're talking about so I asked. Who is your post for and what does it say? Tunkeg stop being such a sad a-social baby. | ||
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Pissed to the point of calling marv out on something that hasn't been an issue and is not related to the game. Is he pulling a kickstart when it comes to scum play? | ||
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On December 15 2012 03:46 Z-BosoN wrote: And what are you getting at? He's town because of it? As you can tell from my filter, he's been in the back of my mind during quite some time. I want to understand Palmar's town read on him (and apparently yours too). No, I don't have a townread on him at all, but your post of suddenly noticing he's been scummy all game is worrisome. I cannot remember you mentioning jay being a worry of yours but I haven't read your filter thoroughly, nows a good a time as any | ||
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On December 12 2012 08:46 Z-BosoN wrote: If not Tunkeg, I'd be satisfied with a jay lynch. Dudes gone awol and his recent posting is not at all acceptable. I really need to leave in a couple of minutes. You first mention. You'd be "satisfied" with a jay lynch. But 11 minutes later.... On December 12 2012 08:57 Z-BosoN wrote: Ok, now I really gotta go. I'm not really feeling bluelightz or jay yet, tbh. Adam I feel he's just being a lurky town. Sticking with Tunkeg. You're not feeling a jay lynch? But you just said you'd be satisfied with a jay lynch.... On December 13 2012 12:04 Z-BosoN wrote: No, tbh I don't think vivax is scum anymore. Despite his weird-as-fuck vote on Adam, the rest of his play feels to me like he is involved. Jay isn't looking too hot, and neither is Djo. VE is also someone I have to look more carefully, as well as yourself. Point a gun to my head and I'd say jay. He's scum again, because of the adam flip and wbg flip? Do you have some association case that I haven't seen? Fact of the matter is he hasn't scumhunted, he looked very scummy day 1 and he hasn't done anything since. The thing that bothers me is that you act as if you just noticed, and when I call you on it you backtrack and say "he's been in the back of my head for a while, look at my posts". I just did, I don't see it. So I ask again, why so scummy? | ||
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There is also a big difference between calling someone's posting unacceptable and scummy. | ||
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On December 15 2012 04:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Marv is at least 100% the player you are Tunk. Djodref I want to lynch ZBo but would settle for Tunkeg. What do you think about BL and jay currently? | ||
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On December 15 2012 08:59 Bluelightz wrote: Nill scum reads today. Looking at Tunk right now... grush57 is really useless though but I guess we can save him till after today. You and Palmar I think are town. Well that's just great, I'm sure someone will present you with a participation award shortly. | ||
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On December 15 2012 09:02 Bluelightz wrote: Frankly I don't care when I do participate. My challenge is just not getting mislynched while looking at scum. You've done a great job at both. You radiate town and your scumreads are excellent. | ||
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On December 15 2012 09:43 jaybrundage wrote: I didn't have anything that I wanted to accomplish per say. I saw an opportunity to put pressure on Z-Bo. I wanted to see how he would react, and how others would react to my vote. And what did you take away from the situation then? | ||
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On December 15 2012 10:09 marvellosity wrote: no, not time to vote Palmar. Someone like Clarity or Hapa police the dumb please Yeah np. On December 15 2012 10:08 jaybrundage wrote: Time to vote Palmar? NO! Bad Jay! *sprays waterbottle* Go back to being scum. | ||
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On December 15 2012 10:17 Vivax wrote: Clarity nr. 1 sheep in here. Glad you're suspecting my scumreads now, though.Had to learn the hard way. Yeah, I haven't suspected jay or BL at all this game so far. How dare I consolidate. Go decipher Tunkeg's "crumb" or something. Go make a case on Palmar. | ||
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On December 15 2012 13:00 Bluelightz wrote: Ah fuck Your accusation of me is trash thrawn  Good post. Got any scumreads yet? | ||
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On December 15 2012 14:22 thrawn2112 wrote: I'm probably not going to be willing to lynch anyone that isn't bl boson or djo How about jay? | ||
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Nothing about him is town, everything about him is scum. "I've had bad experiences with easy bandwagons in other games" Yeah, lynching town D1 happens. If he truly cared about not being on easy bandwagons he would've ignored thrawn and looked elsewhere, but his entire focus was on Thrawn. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2012 13:26 Clarity_nl wrote: Jay is total scum yo. Okay, so you call him town or scum, then you call him a liar which only makes sense as scum (your words) This is your first post regarding thrawn's "miller claim" Here you call him town again, but you "could totally see yourself lynching him" You also add you don't want to "start an early/easy bandwagon". Why not? You think he's scum, right? No wait you think he's town.... So you're threatening to start a bandwagon on someone who you think is town because he's playing anti town? Wait... never mind. He's scummy again, there is no other explanation than him being scum!!!!!! Oh my god you guys he's playing so anti-town!!!!! I AM SO ANGRY, EXPLAIN OR GET LYNCHED, I DONT WANT TO LYNCH YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE TOWN!!!! Chronological order of Jay's comments: - Could be town or scum - He's lying, only makes sense as scum - He's probably town, but I want to lynch him - He's totally scum, I'm just not voting for him because it would be an easy bandwagon! - He's playing super anti-town! Thrawn please shape up because I'll lynch you if I have to! Some questions for everyone to answer: - Why does Jay think Thrawn would be an easy bandwagon? - Why does Jay care if Thrawn is easy to lynch or not, if he truly believe he was scum? - Why does Jay flip-flop so hard from town/anti-town/scum in the course of a couple of hours, without thrawn saying anything that would change his perception? I'll answer them all for you, Jay is scum. ##Vote jaybrundage | ||
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I also read up on palmar and yourself and if one of you is scum it's you, since I know you play a good scum game, but I'm not willing to lynch you today. I would like palmar to explain his townread on grush, btw. | ||
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On December 16 2012 04:53 Vivax wrote: Didn't like what VE had to say about the scum vigi, right clarity? Well that was just dumb, but dumb is not alignment indicative and when you're scum it's really weird to contest the towniest person so if anything that exchange makes him town. | ||
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On December 10 2012 09:44 Clarity_nl wrote: Who when what? Even if thatis somehow true I can hardly believe it! Anyway, lurkers policy lynch or not? Might as well get this out of the thread ASAP. I'd rather lynch a coinflip lurker than a weak scumread, especially if that person is more helpful to town than said lurker. Fibonacci sequence starting at three. 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 I am a one shot Vigilante. | ||
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"Has been doing no analysis" goes for half the people in this fucking game. | ||
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On December 16 2012 09:44 thrawn2112 wrote: wait clarity.... why didnt you counter claim vigi? Why would I, he was gonna get lynched. | ||
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On December 24 2012 10:07 grush57 wrote: If only Hapa didn't have Munk-E before him. :'( ALSO yes, ty everyone kissies to veryone <3 HAPPY CHRISTMAS :D Think he woulda been nked earlier in that case. Happy holidays everyone =] | ||
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Shoulda just shot BL, even knowing that he is town now. | ||
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Night all, would love to see some analysis pop up tomorrow =] Yes yes, don't shoot the active guy. I got it. | ||
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I would have jumped at the chance to lynch jay if I were still alive, even now in post game I find it hard to see what made him town, other than the fact that he didn't really push a scum agenda (other than the thrawn obsession stuff) | ||
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On December 25 2012 08:58 Palmar wrote: I don't know, I never thought jay was scum once I realized Adam was. Not sure what it was, the guy just didn't look like someone who is scum. And honestly, I meant to push bugs the day after, but I want to go through the whole process of interrogating players. Try to vigi shitty lurkers and other trash, don't vig into active people. Ehhh, fair enough. I just didn't get those vibes but at this point it's probably just me being silly. As for my shot, if one more person tells me I shouldn't have shot an active and controversial player I'm gonna cry :'( I GET IT!!! Thanks though! | ||
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On December 25 2012 09:02 Dandel Ion wrote: you shouldn't have shot an active and controversial player I HOPE YOU DIE IN A PIT OF AGONY AND DESPAIR AND YOUR CHILDRENS CHILDREN GET REALLY GOOD AT BAKING COOKIES | ||
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Another thing I notice in hindsight is that you let me run a wild goose chase when it came to BL, which I don't think you'd let me do as town (e.g. me asking for some of his games as town etc), whadya think? Anyway, back tomorrow. | ||
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