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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 14 2012 03:38 GMT
#1581
Aw that was too quick =(

Nah I thought you were doing the whole "VE is being VE" thing. But good to know we're on the same page.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 14 2012 03:55 GMT
#1582
lets lynch boson

Boson's D1 play can be described as two things... distanced from the game, and working towards scum objectives. His first post lightly hits on thrawn's "plan," and how he's suspicious of thrawn for not having scumreads. He says this even though thrawn has a vote for wbg. It's not too big of a crime to be inaccurate but it's his first statement of the thread and he's not even correct about what's going on. The next half of that post is criticisim's of bugs' 80% number. Arbitrary percentages attached to reads are some of the most useless things to argue over... it's hard for me to imagine a town player who looks at the "palmer is 80% scum" statement and thinks.. "that number isn't mathematically perfect. lets lynch this guy!" He also questions bugs for assuming that we have 4 scum.... this is another really pointless thing to have an issue with. It's not limited to 1 post, they have an extended conversation about it and boson eventually ends up dropping the issue. He doesn't continue on with his suspicion of thrawn either.

Somewhere during all of this he drops some suspicion on vivax but nothing worth bringing up. He lightly jumps into the debears/adam debate but only to comment that debears is probably taking things out of proportion.

After all of the above, we get this post:

On December 11 2012 04:41 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 04:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
To Z-Boson, who is scum, and why? Who do you intend on voting?

I'm not going to bother answering any questions that are irrelevant to the question of who is scum, since I've already adequately explained myself and anyone pursuing further lines of questioning regarding why I singled out palmar is not actively reading the thread or is seeking an easy alternative to doing real scumhunting.


I was trying to figure out where you were coming from with all of that, because I honestly can't follow that thought process.
Anyways, I don't have any solid scum reads. As I've stated earlier, I find vivax a bit suspicious, but beyond that nothing really. What about you?


So far... boson has done basically nothing. He's done as much nothing as the people who were lurking, because all of his "scumhunting" was him finding a problem with ridiculous things. He has stuff to say to people, and argues with them, but I don't get the feeling that he is suspicious of anything at all.

On December 11 2012 04:50 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 04:43 jaybrundage wrote:
On December 11 2012 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
On December 11 2012 01:32 jaybrundage wrote:
On December 10 2012 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hey marv, you've explain why we shouldn't vote a bunch of people (thrawn, jay, palmar) but do you have any reasons we should vote a someone?

On December 10 2012 22:04 marvellosity wrote:
On jay, I'm ok on how he explained his 'slips'. My only worry with jay is that he comes across as overly... compliant?:

"Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them."
"I do appreciate you giving your reasoning behind your claim. It helps me understand you a bit."

I don't particularly think much of it atm, was just weird when I was reading them. I would say it was indicative of the fact he didn't want to ruffle feathers, but he's not been afraid to put himself out there, so it isn't that.


His response reminds me of my own scum game. I showed no emotion that game, I just tried to remain logical and not to ruffle anyone's feathers, thinking that if I kept that up eventually people would stay away from me because I answered every question and reasoned away any doubt.

@ Jay

I read some of the stuff in your linked games, and yes you lyched town D1 but I never saw you say anything remotely close to "well I guess I should be more careful of early bandwagons". Not during any of the games and not in the pre-games or post-games either.

The thing is, you say you don't want to jump on an "easy bandwagon" this game, but you do. All you don't do is you haven't voted for thrawn, but he's the only person you've put pressure on. So why mention it? It's an easy way out.

It seems like common sense. If I get on easy bandwagons as town. Shouldn't i avoid em?

Im not you I don't find it necessary or needed to call people dumb or idiots like some players here do. It is it that unexpected to show some respect to people : /


I call people dumb or idiots?

So other than Thrawn, who is an easy bandwagon to you so should be avoided, who stands out as scummy?

I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers.

And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me.

Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases

On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum.

##Vote Vivax
(Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.)


It's Z-Boson. It's funny you should mention Munk-E, because he has a town read on WBG, even though he disagrees with WBG's logic. Does anyone find this post right here:

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On December 11 2012 01:44 Munk-E wrote:
On December 11 2012 01:10 Djodref wrote:
@ Munk-E

Could you confirm me that it's only your second game on these forums ?
You get yourself lynched D1 or D2 for being inactive in a newbie lately, am I right ?

Weird scum or weird town for WBG ?
By the way, the way he phrased it didn't exactly mean he was 80% sure he was mafia. It was a preliminary thing, so I understood it as valuable only for this early game.



This is actually my 4th or fifth game. I can't find the others in my post history, because i guess TL doesn't keep a post history that's that old.

Yes, day 1 lynch last time, I'm gonna try to be more active so people don't waste their lynch again for no reason other than i didn't say enough.

as for WBG, the more i think about it, the more I think he's more likely to be town. If he was scum, this play would either be to bus palmer if he's scum, which would be stupid and unnecessary, or to try to start a bandwagon on him if he's town, which would most likely be futile. He could be trying to appear to be an aggressive scumhunter, attacking harmless enemies though, so he seems town, but then again, aggressive scumhunting seems town.

I see his logic now, but it is flawed. I highly doubt that all the scum were lurkers.


Any close to being normal?


The above post is another example of boson having issues with dumb stuff. Boson criticizes Munk-E for having a town read on wbg, even though Munk-E disagrees with wbg's logic. I don't think that has anything to do with who is scum and who isn't.

There's a part of the thread where suspicion of Adam starts rising beyond "maybe this guy is scum" to "maybe we should lynch this guy." Boson's interactions during this time tunneling djo while defending Adam from as far away as possible. Example:

On December 11 2012 06:07 Z-BosoN wrote:
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On December 11 2012 05:54 debears wrote:
HI marv!!!!!!! *waves*

@Z-Bo

Did you actually read what I said about Adam? Or did you just skim? My argument was not about "him not going balls deep"

It was about him implying thrawn was scum and then saying thrawn wasn't scum

Take another gander son


Dude, wait to take the arrogant stance once you yourself have properly read what people have said.

You said Adam implied thrawn was scum. Presumably when he said thrawn was "different" from his town meta.
I said this isn't the case, because saying someone is playing different from their town meta doesn't necessarily mean they think they are scum. I used your meta as an example to this.

Then you said he said thrawn wasn't scum. This is not true, he never said thrawn wasn't scum.

Are you deliberately twisting words here?


This isn't the first time boson has attacked debears for going after adam. He did it in the very beginning of the game too. He attacks debears in a way that makes debears look bad but he doesnt call debears scum or probe anything else about debears' play.

Then there's a huge chunk of boson's filter where he tunnels djo, for pretty much the remainder of D1. He goes into extreme tunnel mode. That doesnt have to be bad in of itself but the way he came out of the tunnel was strange. Boson is questioning djo about an interaction between djo/thrawn, and when djo explains how boson is misunderstanding the issue, boson's next post is:

On December 12 2012 01:43 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 01:18 Vivax wrote:
Z-Boson:
Scummies are more likely to be inconsistent than townies


[citation needed]


They are because they can't be legit in their scumhunting. This is fairly obvious.


Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 01:21 Djodref wrote:
On December 12 2012 01:02 Z-BosoN wrote:
On December 12 2012 00:51 Djodref wrote:
@ Z-Boson

+ Show Spoiler [for reference] +

On December 12 2012 00:28 Z-BosoN wrote:
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On December 11 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
@ Z-Boson

1) First of all, you're wrong and you have failed to show what goal my actions would serve if I was scum.
I'm going to help you to read my posts because you obviously didn't understand where I was going during the early game.

On December 10 2012 09:37 Djodref wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:22 debears wrote:
##Vote thrawn

I reject your reality and substitute my own


Hello everybody !

@thrawn

Did you seriously not read that millers are not self aware ?

@debears

Are you seriously willing to enforce a "Lynch all Liars" policy ?
My first reaction to thrawn post was "yeah, obvious scum" then I thought that he might not have been serious at all. A one liner for a miller claim doesn't look real, regardless of his alignment. The way he answered "nvm, then" shows that he is carefree about it.
Debears, you are jumpy as both alignments, but I wouldn't expect your town self to post a video instead of engaging the discussion to get this game rolling.

FoS debears


2)My problem with debears early vote was not that it was a vote following a LAL policy but rather the seriousness of this vote. I've assumed that it was a vote for sparking discussion because this was the early game and the atmosphere was quite carefree at this time. Nevertheless, thrawn calling out debears on his vote against him would have been a good starting point for a real discussion but debears chose to post a video instead of this.
The problem was not the video itself, but more what he did not do instead. Anyway, this was an early FoS, and also an attempt for me to spark some discussion.And when debears implied that his vote was not serious (which I knew because he didn't use the voting thread to vote thrawn), I wondered why debears would throw early mindless votes like this, and I wanted him to explain this as well. All in all, I think that he didn't really care about what he was doing, and I don't read anything of it. I don't like how debears is focused on Adam so I didn't remove my Fos on him so far.

3)Regarding thrawn, I wanted him to explain his move. I didn't see this coming from a mafia player, but still, I wanted him to explain his motivations for it. And then thrawn goes like

On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


and then

On December 10 2012 10:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
All the people in the past, present, and future who ask why I lied about being miller..... can go and read this post. If they don't like it then they can just continue reading it because that's all I've got to say about it.


which was pretty stubborn and stupid. I used a pressure vote (which didn't work) to get him talk, regardless of his alignment. And he deserved this pressure vote. When I unvoted him, I was expecting him to explain himself as putting himself in a position where he is going to get some pressure, especially mafia pressure. So, yeah, it matches its town mindset.

And then, Clarity came in this thread with a case worth sheeping, so I sheeped. At the light of Clarity case, jay was more likely to be scum than debears. But now, as many people started to participate overnight, I'm going to update my reads.



1) Yes I have. I mentioned "scum getting lost in the sidetracks", because that's what's going on. You are trying to make it seem like you are contributing, when in fact, you are not. More on that later.

2) I don't buy this. You assumed that it was a vote intended to spark discussion, because it was in early game and had a "carefree" atmosphere, made by debears.

You then pressure FOS debears to make sure he sparks discussion as his townie self.
Then, he goes after adam, and you keep the FOS because you disagree with his case?? You can disagree with his case, just like you did somewhere, but that is only warranted of your suspicions is if you think it's fake comes from scum.

Yet what do you do?

You go on to drop debears entirely and go around asking questions about other aspects of the game without taking a proper stance yourself.

3) This still doesn't make sense. Why in gods name are you so interested in thrawn explaining himself, if you think he's town??. Why did you pressure vote him, whom you had a town read on, instead of going after debears, someone you've made quite clear you don't like the play this game?




Also, to those who aren't feeling Djo, notice his complete lack of scumhunting in this game. Here's a summary of his entire play this game:
  • The whole debars/thrawn extravaganza I've already gone over which makes no sense.
  • Probing WBG's weird logic on palmar.
  • Giving munk-E a questionable town read
  • Flock of non-conclusive questioning and a ton of fluff.


And that's IT. Zero stances, zero cases. It's scum feigning contribution.



1)So, basically, you are saying that I couldn't keep my story straight. And that shows that I'm scum. I would say that I've been inconsistent as townies can be inconsistent. Basically, my FoS on debears was not a very serious one (like all early FoS are) and I didn't feel like I had to follow it up when thrawn put himself at the center of the attention.

2)I was disagreeing with debears view on Adam and I still disagree with it because I think he is exaggerating some points. But debears has done nothing to deserve a vote. So I don't see why I should have not the right to use my vote on thrawn to pressure him. And yeah, I was leaning town on thrawn when I voted him but I needed his explanations for his miller claim to assess my read on him.

3)Putting pressure on thrawn was fulfilling two goals. The first one was to help me to assess my town read on him when he was going to reveal us his "plan". It was kind of obvious he was going to say something like this but I was interested to know how he was going to present things, and he did say almost exactly what I expected.
The second goal was to show him that he was putting himself in a bad situation and that he should better explain himself asap so that the thread could move on to another subject because all this situation was a bit stupid and not helping us to have constructive discussions.


1) Scummies are more likely to be inconsistent than townies, so it's a small tell, but still a tell. What bugs me is the logic you had regarding debars/thrawn I've already went over.


2) Wait a minute. Bolded part. Whatever happened to:

On December 11 2012 13:01 Djodref wrote:
I've watched Palmar's video and I've changed my mind a little bit about your interactions with Adam. As a result, I would lean town on you and slightly scum on Adam but I'm not yet sold on him being scum.
The latest "scumslip" is not a scumslip in my opinion because it would have been one if he was totally sure that you were scum, which doesn't look to be the case.
The fact that he dropped you is reasonable but it's not very indicative of his alignment because it was the best thing to do as scum and as town. I'm waiting to see where he is going to go with Vivax but I think that jay is more likely to be scum than him at this point.



Still not keeping your story straight. You say you lean him being town, now you lean him being scum. Worst of all, where is the reasoning, where is the justification for this??


3) It's counter-productive. You are wasting time reassessing a "town-read" you had, and you STILL are flimsy and not moving on:


On December 11 2012 13:12 Djodref wrote:
On December 11 2012 12:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
debears could you respond to the question I asked you at the bottom of page 22? It's in the last post on the page sorta near the bottom of my post.

Djo: bleh I've probably waited too long to ask this, but I'd like you to go back to this post. When did you write it in relation to the post you made right before it? Was it one right after the other, did you make them simultaneously, did you write the 2nd one first but post the 1st one 1st, etc. please be as specific as possible


@ thrawn

The two posts you are talking about were independent if you are talking about these.

On December 10 2012 15:31 Djodref wrote:
On December 10 2012 14:52 debears wrote:
On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote:
@ debears

So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ?
Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you.

I think Clarity made good points against Jay and I'm also leaning town on thrawn right now. I think I know the reason why he doesn't want to explain himself right now and I don't think that my pressure vote is going to work out.

@ jay

It looks like you are leaning scum on thrawn. Would you care to convince us that he is indeed scum and that we should vote him ?
As you can see, the risk to start an early bandwagon on him is not so big.

##Vote jay




I like Clarity's points on jay, and clarity seems to satisfactorily have jay covered. I'm gonna work on Adam/whoever I feel like


So, I guess you are satisfied with your vote on Adam right now. According to me, Adam has been pretty clear on his stance on thrawn and I disagree with you about him: I don't see anything to blame him for right now. I'll let you do what you feel like but I'll voice my concerns if you seem mistaken.
For example, right now, I feel like you should better vote for jay instead of Adam.


On December 10 2012 15:34 Djodref wrote:
On December 10 2012 14:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 14:34 jaybrundage wrote:
On December 10 2012 14:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
So someone makes a big case on you and you react by saying "glad someone is reading my posts"?

It's not that you don't put your vote where your mouth is, it's the REASON you don't vote. You shouldn't care what's easy and what's not, all you need to care about is who is scum, and try to get your strongest scumread lynched.

I would love it if you linked some games in where you claimed this has happened to you. I would also love it if you walked us through a scum thrawn's reasoning for doing what he did.

Lol is my reaction not what you expected

Wait a second, the reason i didn't vote is because i don't feel i have too. A vote doesn't mean anything till the end of the cycle. I have been going after thrawn and trying to get him to respond to me. And get some kind of explanation from him. However he has yet to respond to me. THRAWN STOP GAWD DAMN IGNORING ME.

And yes i do care if the lynch seems to easy. Because then from my experience, its likely a bus or a townie were killing.

I'll try to find the games if i can. Its been almost a year tho.

And i already gave you a scum reasoning to do what he did.


On December 10 2012 10:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey guys just finished work ten hour shift zzzz.

Reading up so far. It appears. That thrawn either made a pretty big scum slip. Or maybe he just made a big mistake as town.

There wasn't any point to claiming miller. As if anyone read the OP (as they should it) they would know millers arent self aware.
So first your lying. I only seeing this make sense as scum. If you didnt know that miller was self aware. Then your thought process is that you self claim miller. A you can waste a DT check. Or make DT's ineffective against you.

As town i see no reason to lie about your role. Please give your reasoning. Because as far it doesn't make any sense.

Also I thought the point about debears. Posting a video to not enage in conversation was interesting. Not a scum tell or anything. But a video wont help us find scum some good solid conversation will.


alright well I'm tired of the miller claim discussion so here's how it went down from my perspective.

At first it was mainly a joke, but it was also intended to jump start discussion. + Show Spoiler +
wow big surprise there right?
Then people started taking it more seriously than I thought they would so I decided to be dickish about it in order to ignite further discussion. I actually don't mind being a potential mislynch, I think I'm better at discerning scum when they are trying to lynch me. I don't mind a bit of pressure during early D1 if it allows me to make better reads. Also.... anything is better than talking about lurker policy ffs


@ thrawn

In fact, this is exactly the explanation I was waiting for you. I remembered this post from our previous Looney game when you were going to be mislynched at MYLO.

On October 20 2012 09:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
Cuz I'm not scum u silly. Don't worry I love being mislynched. It's the part of the game where in the past ive figured out who is scum.


So, did you manage to get any clue of who could be scum after analysing the way they treated your fakeclaim ?


Regarding the post you linked, it was the conclusion I came to when I was asking myself why you were being stubborn and not wanting to explain your motivations for your fakeclaim. After my pressure vote on you, I was wondering why a town thrawn would put himself in such a situation and I remembered this post you made about how you liked to be pushed as a mislynched.
So, I was ready to post it before your explanation because it was what I was expecting from you. But it was not prepared, just I knew where to find this stuff.

It is a strange question. Could I ask you what you are going to do with this info ?


What do you expect to hear? Are you still trying to confirm thrawn as town? Thrawn has been questioned twice already regarding this and the most he said was "bugs came out looking worse".

This is another example of you fooling around trying to look like you are contributing, imo.


1)Okay, I'm just saying that it was the early game and that I didn't follow up my FoS on debears so much because it was not a very serious one.

2)I have Adam as slightly scum. Debears is convinced that Adam is scum. I would lynch Tunkeg and jay before Adam today, I would say that grush might even be a better lynch choice than Adam. This is where I disagree with debears. Basically, I'm not sure that Adam is scum because some points brought against him seem to be exaggerated in my opinion. I would prefer to let him live today so I can have a better read on him when the game goes on.

3)The conversation that you quoted has been initiated by thrawn and I was answering him. His first question was weird and I wanted to know why he asked me it in the first place, it turned out that he was still unsure of my thought process. I hope that things are clear between him and me now. This conversation was productive in my opinion.
I'm not 100% sure that thrawn is town at the moment and it helped me to confirm my view on him. What would be the benefit of a scum Djodref to ask this ?


Hm, I didn't see you were answering thrawn.

Well, I'm pummeling you for being inconsistent and not keeping your story straight. I view this as a small tell, which was augmented by the rest of your posting (not scumhunting). Until your case on Tunkeg you had zero scum hunting and some fluff, which is why I really thought you to be scum.
I certainly see you as scum being capable of writing such a case, but I'll have to reassess and see what other people make of your posts and our exchange.

You're not getting lynched today and we need to consolidate... so
##Unvote


Boson doesn't have a real scumread for the whole game, and then drops his main scumread after it's shown that 1 very small part out of all his arguments is factually incorrect. I don't see this as the natural response of a suspicious townie, and is yet another time when boson is making incorrect accusations. He shows disinterest in the game and a lack of suspicion.

Then comes the part of D1 where arguments about adam are heating up. Boson is asked for his opinion on adam because he hasn't given it voluntarily. Here's boson's summary of adam:

On December 12 2012 02:09 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, like I said, debears seems to be doing some massive twisting of words to me.
What I found suspicious on Adam's filter is this contradiction in his idea of a case -> vote relationship, which I'd like him to explain.

He first criticizes debears for not voting him after making a case and votes him:


Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote:
In fact, why are you not voting me dabears?

On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote?

##Vote: dabears


This is funny to say the least, because later on, though, when he's made a case on vivax, here's his stance when questioned on why he wasn't voting vivax:

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 23:35 Adam4167 wrote:
I wanted to see what you had to say about my case before I made a definitive call on you.

Your response was interesting to me, because while you openly admit to not reading the thread and making shit accusations, I honestly wouldn't ever expect that level of honesty from a scum.


I mean, it's ok that he makes a huge case and doesn't vote, but when debears did that it made him scum? Weird.

Since we need to consolidate though, I am more confident in a Tunkeg lynch at the moment.


His read feels so... unemotional and distanced. The whole post feels off. He gives an example of something scummy about adam... but it's not anything major and the line: "I mean, it's ok that he makes a huge case and doesn't vote, but when debears did that it made him scum? Weird." makes me think he's lying off his ass.

Here's another instance of boson's reality being different than the thread's reality:

On December 12 2012 08:40 Z-BosoN wrote:
I won't be around for the deadline, gonna be pulling some massive weights, but I insist we go for tunkeg.
I really don't like how little resistance there is to adam's lynch, look how easily it took off. Compare this to tunkeg, for example.
Adam is a lurky player by nature, so that makes me even more not confident.

+ Show Spoiler +
Also, there's no way I'm sheeping debears


bleh.... I know he cites irl issues and those are supposed to give null reads but the fact remains that he wasn't around for the time that the lynch was decided... he disappears before the deadline and leaves another very soft defense of adam. A very, very soft defense. And he was completely incorrect... I felt tons of resistance to the Adam lynch. That statement about adam's lynch being too easy... I sorta wanted to lynch him for it right when I read it.

tldr:

-he's wrong a lot about what's happening in the thread
-he soft defends adam and attacks debears for going after adam
-tunnels on djo while there is tons of other stuff going on
-generally more passive than what I remember of his town play
-he's a lurker
-one of the 3 who didn't vote for adam
-he's not around for the lynch
-is willing to argue about people over insignificant stuff and doesn't appear to actually be suspicious about any of it
-etc

there is more but for now I have to go watch the Hobbit
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 14 2012 03:55 GMT
#1583
sorry marv u shouldnt have asked
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 14 2012 05:15 GMT
#1584
@ thrawn

I like your case but I still feel better about a Tunkeg lynch because Z-Bo has at least shown some effort in scumhunting.
Also I don't see it as necessarily scummy that he thought that debears was exaggerating.
Do you think that Tunkeg and Z-Bo could be in a scumteam together ?
How do you feel about a Tunkeg lynch ?

I'm waiting for Z-Bo defense with great interest !
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 14 2012 05:16 GMT
#1585
Thrawn, you've been suggesting how I'm not posting as much as usual for quite a while, but that's pretty different from me actually being a lurker. It also has nothing to do with me being scum. I think you are trying to add cherries on a cake that doesn't exist, by blatantly misrepresenting facts and saying things I never did.

1. suspicion on you
You say I said in my first post I was suspicious of you for not having scum reads. Funny how you didn't quote my post. Here's what I actually said:
Thrawn, here you mention that this was all intended to find scum pursuing you. So... now that the cards have been flipped, what the hell are your conclusions??

See, you didn't go anywhere near about explaining your vote on bugs. To be honest, I hadn't even seen you had voted for bugs, because I was expecting an actual analysis out of your little play, but now that I read your filter, I see that you actually did post a one liner saying "bugs came out looking worse, voted him in the thread".

2. bugs' 80%.
You say I wanted to lynch bugs because his number was "mathematically incorrect". His number is fine, his logic was bad. However, I never said I wanted to lynch bugs at that time, a blatant lie.
I wanted him to explain, he did, and I decided to move on because this wasn't gonna help me get anywhere.

3. Post on munk-E.
You say this is an example of having issue with dumb stuff. How in the hell is it dumb to be suspicious of someone who says "I disagree with his logic. I think he is town". You are calling it dumb because of lack of examples I think, but no, it's not "dumb stuff".

4. Tunnel on Djo.
Again, another blatant misrepresentation. I didn't drop my Djo case because of "1 small part of my argument being mistaken". I dropped it for the reasons I fucking said in my post:
You're not getting lynched today and we need to consolidate... so


5. critique on debears
I criticized debears for using bad logic and twisting adam's words. While Adam was in fact scum, it is still pretty evident that debears was twisting a looot of words to make his case. I didn't attack him because he attacked Adam.

6. I am a lurker
Naw. I may be posting less, but I'm not a lurker. It should be clear from my filter that I'm actually trying, despite having less posts. Because I actually am.

7. I tunneled Djo pretty much for the rest of day one
Absolute bs. Like you even noted, I dropped my pursuit of him entirely and went after Tunkeg and tried very hard to push tunkeg, because I really thought he was scum. Unfortunately for me, Adam the counter-lynch came up as scum. Too bad for me I disagreed with the cases on him (mainly because of debears).

So here are SEVEN mirepresentations in which you distort, lie, and exaggerate things I've said or done.

Now to the actual part of your case in which you did not imagine things to suit your arguments.
->I'm wrong a lot - Well, deal with it. Can't punish me for being wrong.
->I'm more passive - I'm posting less. I'm on vacation and don't spend most my time in my computer like when I was in school. I'm also pursuing my reads quite a bit when I feel good about them. Just read the part you ignored when making your case.
->Soft defense on Adam. I was pushing Tunkeg like mad, and it never went past three votes. Adam, on the other hand, gained 9 votes on a case full of word-twisting and exaggeration. Since I thought Tunkeg was scum and Adam was town, then, well, it makes sense for me to feel there was more Tunkeg resistance than Adam.
->I didn't bus - Yea, because unfortunately I didn't know Adam was scum and didn't have the option to bus. Too bad for me I was wrong on Adam.
->I'm not around for the lynch - Suck it up.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 14 2012 05:29 GMT
#1586
On December 14 2012 09:53 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 02:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Djodref
You bring an interesting point regarding Tunkeg's "shying away" from Palmar. It's additional fluff for him not to actually scumhunt.

I don't understand this passage, though, where you are calling it a scumslip:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&currentpage=69#1361
Calling people dumb like this (reference to potential jailkeepers) is a scumslip. You call town players dumb and bad, mafia players are just mafia players


Can you elaborate?


@ Z-Boson

Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 00:36 Tunkeg wrote:
On December 13 2012 00:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
Directing the jailkeeper when his target is "so obvious only a retard would not" is dumb and useless and throwing WIFOM in the air for no reason. If the target is so obvious why are you even saying it?


Well, there are some seriously dumb people playing this game. If they happened to roll jk they need to be told what to do.


For me, this totally could be a scumslip. Who he is talking about ?
How does he know who is actually dumb (potential jks) and who is just playing dumb on purpose (potential mafia players) ?
It could be easily explained if he had extra info on players alignment, if he is mafia for example.

Honestly, I wouldn't have worried so much about this post if Tunkeg hadn't totally shied away from Palmar when he started to ask questions about it. I could totally see a town player post like this but his reaction feels forced.

Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 00:45 Tunkeg wrote:
On December 13 2012 00:40 Palmar wrote:
On December 13 2012 00:36 Tunkeg wrote:
On December 13 2012 00:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
Directing the jailkeeper when his target is "so obvious only a retard would not" is dumb and useless and throwing WIFOM in the air for no reason. If the target is so obvious why are you even saying it?


Well, there are some seriously dumb people playing this game. If they happend to roll jk they need to be told what to do.


Please list the people dumb enough.


Nah, its the same people I have called dumb earlier. Maybe they haven't noticed or forgot. Don't want to insult them more, they might just not do as told to spite me.


Like, seriously, what the fuck is that kind of line of thinking ?
Why the JK would like to listen to Tunkeg at the first place ? Why would he be emotional ?

And now I'm not going to speculate because I have learned from my previous games that this will almost always be futile, especially when we are still in day 2.


Now I see what you mean. It makes a lot of sense, and it goes along with the fact that I feel Tunkeg seems waaaay too certain of his reads this game.
Btw, corrected your post ^^
I'll revert back to my original thoughts on Tunkeg. I to this day have not gotten over on how he ignored a case I made on a "suspicion" he had.
##Vote Tunkeg

Also
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 14 2012 05:31 GMT
#1587
EBWOP:
Also, what do you think of Jay?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 14 2012 05:32 GMT
#1588
On December 14 2012 14:16 Z-BosoN wrote:
Thrawn, you've been suggesting how I'm not posting as much as usual for quite a while, but that's pretty different from me actually being a lurker. It also has nothing to do with me being scum.


[image loading]
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 14 2012 05:33 GMT
#1589
On December 14 2012 14:15 Djodref wrote:
@ thrawn

I like your case but I still feel better about a Tunkeg lynch because Z-Bo has at least shown some effort in scumhunting.
Also I don't see it as necessarily scummy that he thought that debears was exaggerating.
Do you think that Tunkeg and Z-Bo could be in a scumteam together ?
How do you feel about a Tunkeg lynch ?

I'm waiting for Z-Bo defense with great interest !

Why would I think boson and mr t are scum together? ... I don't see what that has to do with anything. CPUs you expand on ur boson read?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 14 2012 05:34 GMT
#1590
On December 14 2012 14:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 14:16 Z-BosoN wrote:
Thrawn, you've been suggesting how I'm not posting as much as usual for quite a while, but that's pretty different from me actually being a lurker. It also has nothing to do with me being scum.


[image loading]

Lol I saw this too and I laughed
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 14 2012 05:35 GMT
#1591
CPU = can
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 14 2012 05:41 GMT
#1592
On December 14 2012 14:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
CPU = can


ok thanks, could you waut for me to access a computer ?
I don't want to review all this from my phone.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 14 2012 05:42 GMT
#1593
lol now that's an unfortunate quote right there =p
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
December 14 2012 05:43 GMT
#1594
On December 14 2012 14:16 Z-BosoN wrote:
Thrawn, you've been suggesting how I'm not posting as much as usual for quite a while, but that's pretty different from me actually being a lurker. It also has nothing to do with me being scum.

On December 14 2012 14:32 VisceraEyes wrote:

[image loading]


##Unvote
##Vote Z-Boson
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 14 2012 05:43 GMT
#1595
On December 14 2012 14:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 14:16 Z-BosoN wrote:
Thrawn, you've been suggesting how I'm not posting as much as usual for quite a while, but that's pretty different from me actually being a lurker. It also has nothing to do with me being scum.


[image loading]


@ VE

So is this what you have to contribute after catching up with the thread ?

You are still failing to convince me that Clarity is scum and that you are town.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 14 2012 05:43 GMT
#1596
Same thing for me actually, I'm sitting in a movie theater
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 14 2012 05:46 GMT
#1597
On December 14 2012 14:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
Same thing for me actually, I'm sitting in a movie theater


I'm at work so it is a bit less comfortable
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 14 2012 05:46 GMT
#1598
Jay r u really voting just because of that?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
December 14 2012 05:47 GMT
#1599
On December 14 2012 14:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
Jay r u really voting just because of that?

I have my reasons.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 14 2012 05:50 GMT
#1600
*It has nothing to do with me being scum or not*
I'm glad Jay decided to jump on that though. We'll have a chat tomorrow when I'm less sleepy.
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