Nah I thought you were doing the whole "VE is being VE" thing. But good to know we're on the same page.
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Nah I thought you were doing the whole "VE is being VE" thing. But good to know we're on the same page. | ||
thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
Boson's D1 play can be described as two things... distanced from the game, and working towards scum objectives. His first post lightly hits on thrawn's "plan," and how he's suspicious of thrawn for not having scumreads. He says this even though thrawn has a vote for wbg. It's not too big of a crime to be inaccurate but it's his first statement of the thread and he's not even correct about what's going on. The next half of that post is criticisim's of bugs' 80% number. Arbitrary percentages attached to reads are some of the most useless things to argue over... it's hard for me to imagine a town player who looks at the "palmer is 80% scum" statement and thinks.. "that number isn't mathematically perfect. lets lynch this guy!" He also questions bugs for assuming that we have 4 scum.... this is another really pointless thing to have an issue with. It's not limited to 1 post, they have an extended conversation about it and boson eventually ends up dropping the issue. He doesn't continue on with his suspicion of thrawn either. Somewhere during all of this he drops some suspicion on vivax but nothing worth bringing up. He lightly jumps into the debears/adam debate but only to comment that debears is probably taking things out of proportion. After all of the above, we get this post: On December 11 2012 04:41 Z-BosoN wrote: I was trying to figure out where you were coming from with all of that, because I honestly can't follow that thought process. Anyways, I don't have any solid scum reads. As I've stated earlier, I find vivax a bit suspicious, but beyond that nothing really. What about you? So far... boson has done basically nothing. He's done as much nothing as the people who were lurking, because all of his "scumhunting" was him finding a problem with ridiculous things. He has stuff to say to people, and argues with them, but I don't get the feeling that he is suspicious of anything at all. On December 11 2012 04:50 Z-BosoN wrote: It's Z-Boson. It's funny you should mention Munk-E, because he has a town read on WBG, even though he disagrees with WBG's logic. Does anyone find this post right here: Any close to being normal? The above post is another example of boson having issues with dumb stuff. Boson criticizes Munk-E for having a town read on wbg, even though Munk-E disagrees with wbg's logic. I don't think that has anything to do with who is scum and who isn't. There's a part of the thread where suspicion of Adam starts rising beyond "maybe this guy is scum" to "maybe we should lynch this guy." Boson's interactions during this time tunneling djo while defending Adam from as far away as possible. Example: On December 11 2012 06:07 Z-BosoN wrote: Dude, wait to take the arrogant stance once you yourself have properly read what people have said. You said Adam implied thrawn was scum. Presumably when he said thrawn was "different" from his town meta. I said this isn't the case, because saying someone is playing different from their town meta doesn't necessarily mean they think they are scum. I used your meta as an example to this. Then you said he said thrawn wasn't scum. This is not true, he never said thrawn wasn't scum. Are you deliberately twisting words here? This isn't the first time boson has attacked debears for going after adam. He did it in the very beginning of the game too. He attacks debears in a way that makes debears look bad but he doesnt call debears scum or probe anything else about debears' play. Then there's a huge chunk of boson's filter where he tunnels djo, for pretty much the remainder of D1. He goes into extreme tunnel mode. That doesnt have to be bad in of itself but the way he came out of the tunnel was strange. Boson is questioning djo about an interaction between djo/thrawn, and when djo explains how boson is misunderstanding the issue, boson's next post is: On December 12 2012 01:43 Z-BosoN wrote: They are because they can't be legit in their scumhunting. This is fairly obvious. Hm, I didn't see you were answering thrawn. Well, I'm pummeling you for being inconsistent and not keeping your story straight. I view this as a small tell, which was augmented by the rest of your posting (not scumhunting). Until your case on Tunkeg you had zero scum hunting and some fluff, which is why I really thought you to be scum. I certainly see you as scum being capable of writing such a case, but I'll have to reassess and see what other people make of your posts and our exchange. You're not getting lynched today and we need to consolidate... so ##Unvote Boson doesn't have a real scumread for the whole game, and then drops his main scumread after it's shown that 1 very small part out of all his arguments is factually incorrect. I don't see this as the natural response of a suspicious townie, and is yet another time when boson is making incorrect accusations. He shows disinterest in the game and a lack of suspicion. Then comes the part of D1 where arguments about adam are heating up. Boson is asked for his opinion on adam because he hasn't given it voluntarily. Here's boson's summary of adam: On December 12 2012 02:09 Z-BosoN wrote: Well, like I said, debears seems to be doing some massive twisting of words to me. What I found suspicious on Adam's filter is this contradiction in his idea of a case -> vote relationship, which I'd like him to explain. He first criticizes debears for not voting him after making a case and votes him: This is funny to say the least, because later on, though, when he's made a case on vivax, here's his stance when questioned on why he wasn't voting vivax: I mean, it's ok that he makes a huge case and doesn't vote, but when debears did that it made him scum? Weird. Since we need to consolidate though, I am more confident in a Tunkeg lynch at the moment. His read feels so... unemotional and distanced. The whole post feels off. He gives an example of something scummy about adam... but it's not anything major and the line: "I mean, it's ok that he makes a huge case and doesn't vote, but when debears did that it made him scum? Weird." makes me think he's lying off his ass. Here's another instance of boson's reality being different than the thread's reality: On December 12 2012 08:40 Z-BosoN wrote: I won't be around for the deadline, gonna be pulling some massive weights, but I insist we go for tunkeg. I really don't like how little resistance there is to adam's lynch, look how easily it took off. Compare this to tunkeg, for example. Adam is a lurky player by nature, so that makes me even more not confident. + Show Spoiler + Also, there's no way I'm sheeping debears bleh.... I know he cites irl issues and those are supposed to give null reads but the fact remains that he wasn't around for the time that the lynch was decided... he disappears before the deadline and leaves another very soft defense of adam. A very, very soft defense. And he was completely incorrect... I felt tons of resistance to the Adam lynch. That statement about adam's lynch being too easy... I sorta wanted to lynch him for it right when I read it. tldr: -he's wrong a lot about what's happening in the thread -he soft defends adam and attacks debears for going after adam -tunnels on djo while there is tons of other stuff going on -generally more passive than what I remember of his town play -he's a lurker -one of the 3 who didn't vote for adam -he's not around for the lynch -is willing to argue about people over insignificant stuff and doesn't appear to actually be suspicious about any of it -etc there is more but for now I have to go watch the Hobbit | ||
thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I like your case but I still feel better about a Tunkeg lynch because Z-Bo has at least shown some effort in scumhunting. Also I don't see it as necessarily scummy that he thought that debears was exaggerating. Do you think that Tunkeg and Z-Bo could be in a scumteam together ? How do you feel about a Tunkeg lynch ? I'm waiting for Z-Bo defense with great interest ! | ||
Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
1. suspicion on you You say I said in my first post I was suspicious of you for not having scum reads. Funny how you didn't quote my post. Here's what I actually said: Thrawn, here you mention that this was all intended to find scum pursuing you. So... now that the cards have been flipped, what the hell are your conclusions?? See, you didn't go anywhere near about explaining your vote on bugs. To be honest, I hadn't even seen you had voted for bugs, because I was expecting an actual analysis out of your little play, but now that I read your filter, I see that you actually did post a one liner saying "bugs came out looking worse, voted him in the thread". 2. bugs' 80%. You say I wanted to lynch bugs because his number was "mathematically incorrect". His number is fine, his logic was bad. However, I never said I wanted to lynch bugs at that time, a blatant lie. I wanted him to explain, he did, and I decided to move on because this wasn't gonna help me get anywhere. 3. Post on munk-E. You say this is an example of having issue with dumb stuff. How in the hell is it dumb to be suspicious of someone who says "I disagree with his logic. I think he is town". You are calling it dumb because of lack of examples I think, but no, it's not "dumb stuff". 4. Tunnel on Djo. Again, another blatant misrepresentation. I didn't drop my Djo case because of "1 small part of my argument being mistaken". I dropped it for the reasons I fucking said in my post: You're not getting lynched today and we need to consolidate... so 5. critique on debears I criticized debears for using bad logic and twisting adam's words. While Adam was in fact scum, it is still pretty evident that debears was twisting a looot of words to make his case. I didn't attack him because he attacked Adam. 6. I am a lurker Naw. I may be posting less, but I'm not a lurker. It should be clear from my filter that I'm actually trying, despite having less posts. Because I actually am. 7. I tunneled Djo pretty much for the rest of day one Absolute bs. Like you even noted, I dropped my pursuit of him entirely and went after Tunkeg and tried very hard to push tunkeg, because I really thought he was scum. Unfortunately for me, Adam the counter-lynch came up as scum. Too bad for me I disagreed with the cases on him (mainly because of debears). So here are SEVEN mirepresentations in which you distort, lie, and exaggerate things I've said or done. Now to the actual part of your case in which you did not imagine things to suit your arguments. ->I'm wrong a lot - Well, deal with it. Can't punish me for being wrong. ->I'm more passive - I'm posting less. I'm on vacation and don't spend most my time in my computer like when I was in school. I'm also pursuing my reads quite a bit when I feel good about them. Just read the part you ignored when making your case. ->Soft defense on Adam. I was pushing Tunkeg like mad, and it never went past three votes. Adam, on the other hand, gained 9 votes on a case full of word-twisting and exaggeration. Since I thought Tunkeg was scum and Adam was town, then, well, it makes sense for me to feel there was more Tunkeg resistance than Adam. ->I didn't bus - Yea, because unfortunately I didn't know Adam was scum and didn't have the option to bus. Too bad for me I was wrong on Adam. ->I'm not around for the lynch - Suck it up. | ||
Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On December 14 2012 09:53 Djodref wrote: @ Z-Boson For me, this totally could be a scumslip. Who he is talking about ? How does he know who is actually dumb (potential jks) and who is just playing dumb on purpose (potential mafia players) ? It could be easily explained if he had extra info on players alignment, if he is mafia for example. Honestly, I wouldn't have worried so much about this post if Tunkeg hadn't totally shied away from Palmar when he started to ask questions about it. I could totally see a town player post like this but his reaction feels forced. Like, seriously, what the fuck is that kind of line of thinking ? Why the JK would like to listen to Tunkeg at the first place ? Why would he be emotional ? And now I'm not going to speculate because I have learned from my previous games that this will almost always be futile, especially when we are still in day 2. Now I see what you mean. It makes a lot of sense, and it goes along with the fact that I feel Tunkeg seems waaaay too certain of his reads this game. Btw, corrected your post ^^ I'll revert back to my original thoughts on Tunkeg. I to this day have not gotten over on how he ignored a case I made on a "suspicion" he had. ##Vote Tunkeg Also | ||
Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Also, what do you think of Jay? | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:16 Z-BosoN wrote: Thrawn, you've been suggesting how I'm not posting as much as usual for quite a while, but that's pretty different from me actually being a lurker. It also has nothing to do with me being scum. | ||
thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:15 Djodref wrote: @ thrawn I like your case but I still feel better about a Tunkeg lynch because Z-Bo has at least shown some effort in scumhunting. Also I don't see it as necessarily scummy that he thought that debears was exaggerating. Do you think that Tunkeg and Z-Bo could be in a scumteam together ? How do you feel about a Tunkeg lynch ? I'm waiting for Z-Bo defense with great interest ! Why would I think boson and mr t are scum together? ... I don't see what that has to do with anything. CPUs you expand on ur boson read? | ||
thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
Lol I saw this too and I laughed | ||
thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:35 thrawn2112 wrote: CPU = can ok thanks, could you waut for me to access a computer ? I don't want to review all this from my phone. | ||
Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:16 Z-BosoN wrote: Thrawn, you've been suggesting how I'm not posting as much as usual for quite a while, but that's pretty different from me actually being a lurker. It also has nothing to do with me being scum. On December 14 2012 14:32 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Z-Boson | ||
Djodref
France3332 Posts
@ VE So is this what you have to contribute after catching up with the thread ? You are still failing to convince me that Clarity is scum and that you are town. | ||
thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:43 thrawn2112 wrote: Same thing for me actually, I'm sitting in a movie theater I'm at work so it is a bit less comfortable | ||
thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On December 14 2012 14:46 thrawn2112 wrote: Jay r u really voting just because of that? I have my reasons. | ||
Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
I'm glad Jay decided to jump on that though. We'll have a chat tomorrow when I'm less sleepy. | ||
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