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On December 10 2012 11:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lynch all liars.
I'm tired of having to assume people are dumb and leaving them alive because of it. No more rewarding of stupidity. The reward is now a lynch.
Thrawn is a confirmed liar. Time to lynch him.
##vote thrawn2112
Vote wbg for mayor, I will clean up the state of TL Mafia.
All I'm reading from this is "I don't care about thrawn's alignment"
If you were to assume I'm dumb, what assumption would you be making? If you are going to vote for me then you should at least say if you think I'm town or not.
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of all the responses to my claim wbg's has rubbed me as the scummiest, updating voting thread with my vote
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On December 10 2012 12:16 wherebugsgo wrote:The point is that in a previous game, he claimed that millers claiming on d1 were hard to read. So, what to make of him claiming miller d1? He wants to be hard to read.
are you actually saying that I, as scum, in a game where millers aren't aware, because of my past experience in dealing with miller claims, fakeclaimed in order to get people to be extra confused about my alignment? I don't like that you're policy voting, but whatever sometimes emotions get in the way of logic. However I just can't understand the reasoning you're using to call me scum.
@marv nobody said anything about traps, my ego is not that over-inflated. and yes, this conversation is getting a little annoying
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yeah, but there's a difference between the original intentions of what I did and what comes out of it
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On December 10 2012 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 12:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah, but there's a difference between the original intentions of what I did and what comes out of it no one knows your original intentions because you made a stupid play and then refused to explain it (I'm going to presume out of embarrassment, since anything else is just pathetic)Adam, thoughts on debears?
for someone who thinks I'm scum, you sure have some pretty descriptive words about my town motivations
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I like clarity's post, especially this part:
On December 10 2012 13:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
Some questions for everyone to answer:
- Why does Jay think Thrawn would be an easy bandwagon?
- Why does Jay care if Thrawn is easy to lynch or not, if he truly believe he was scum?
- Why does Jay flip-flop so hard from town/anti-town/scum in the course of a couple of hours, without thrawn saying anything that would change his perception?
I'll answer them all for you, Jay is scum.
##Vote jaybrundage
I don't read too much into people changing their minds a lot, but j's word choice does show scum mentality. Scum are the ones thinking in terms of "easy bandwagons" etc.
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On December 10 2012 14:34 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 14:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
So someone makes a big case on you and you react by saying "glad someone is reading my posts"?
It's not that you don't put your vote where your mouth is, it's the REASON you don't vote. You shouldn't care what's easy and what's not, all you need to care about is who is scum, and try to get your strongest scumread lynched.
I would love it if you linked some games in where you claimed this has happened to you. I would also love it if you walked us through a scum thrawn's reasoning for doing what he did. Lol is my reaction not what you expected  Wait a second, the reason i didn't vote is because i don't feel i have too. A vote doesn't mean anything till the end of the cycle. I have been going after thrawn and trying to get him to respond to me. And get some kind of explanation from him. However he has yet to respond to me. THRAWN STOP GAWD DAMN IGNORING ME. And yes i do care if the lynch seems to easy. Because then from my experience, its likely a bus or a townie were killing. I'll try to find the games if i can. Its been almost a year tho. And i already gave you a scum reasoning to do what he did. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey guys just finished work ten hour shift zzzz.
Reading up so far. It appears. That thrawn either made a pretty big scum slip. Or maybe he just made a big mistake as town.
There wasn't any point to claiming miller. As if anyone read the OP (as they should it) they would know millers arent self aware.
So first your lying. I only seeing this make sense as scum. If you didnt know that miller was self aware. Then your thought process is that you self claim miller. A you can waste a DT check. Or make DT's ineffective against you.
As town i see no reason to lie about your role. Please give your reasoning. Because as far it doesn't make any sense.
Also I thought the point about debears. Posting a video to not enage in conversation was interesting. Not a scum tell or anything. But a video wont help us find scum some good solid conversation will.
alright well I'm tired of the miller claim discussion so here's how it went down from my perspective.
At first it was mainly a joke, but it was also intended to jump start discussion. + Show Spoiler +wow big surprise there right?
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On December 11 2012 00:41 Munk-E wrote:
Good morning and hello, everyone! I will be doing a more in depth reading of the thread, but for now, WBG, how on earth did you figure palmer was more likely to be scum than anyone? You said there were 5 people that hadn't participated yet, yet palmer, being one of them had a 2/3rds chance of being scum. Did you sleep through math class, or do you actually have some explaination to back that up?
for a first post I don't like how 'irrelevant' this one is. people questioning each other about arbitrary percentages never results in anything useful. munk-e, please get to other stuff from the thread asap
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palmer: I haven't watched the video yet, but didn't you realize that if we are to trust that you haven't read your role pm, then we can't make any reads based on your thoughts so far? If you don't know your alignment then how do you expect us to figure it out? Was this purely done for your own benefit/amusement or what?
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palmer have you checked your role yet?
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On December 11 2012 09:36 debears wrote:
If he is lying about the pm, and he is scum, then he has corrupt reads. But, based on the fact that he agrees with me, and I have a town mindset, then I see him more likely to be town than scum.
I don't think he's lying about when he read the pm, considering he made an hour long video, I would trust his reads in the video in terms of being a townie mindset.
Do you see what I'm getting at?
No, this doesn't make sense.
"I don't think he's lying about when he read the pm, considering he made an hour long video, I would trust his reads in the video in terms of being a townie mindset"
First, Palmer didn't check his role pm. I'm already satisfied that he wasn't "acting" and I'm not even 20 minutes into the vid. So yes, his words in the video do come from a town perspective.
HOWEVER, the video tells us absolutely nothing about palmer's alignment. In that video, palmer does not know his alignment. So how could anyone know palmer's alignment from the video? (at least until we get a lot of his post pm-checking opinions) Do you really not see that?
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On December 11 2012 09:52 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 09:49 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 11 2012 09:36 debears wrote:
If he is lying about the pm, and he is scum, then he has corrupt reads. But, based on the fact that he agrees with me, and I have a town mindset, then I see him more likely to be town than scum.
I don't think he's lying about when he read the pm, considering he made an hour long video, I would trust his reads in the video in terms of being a townie mindset.
Do you see what I'm getting at? No, this doesn't make sense. "I don't think he's lying about when he read the pm, considering he made an hour long video, I would trust his reads in the video in terms of being a townie mindset" First, Palmer didn't check his role pm. I'm already satisfied that he wasn't "acting" and I'm not even 20 minutes into the vid. So yes, his words in the video do come from a town perspective. HOWEVER, the video tells us absolutely nothing about palmer's alignment. In that video, palmer does not know his alignment. So how could anyone know palmer's alignment from the video? (at least until we get a lot of his post pm-checking opinions) Do you really not see that? Do you not see that, if he doesn't know his alignment, then his ideas were from a townie mindset?
Yes, that's what I said. His ideas in the video come from a townie mindset. But that doesn't count for anything because palmer didn't know his alignment. A palmer who made that video and is unaware that he's town is indistinguishable from a palmer who made the video and is unware that he's scum.. Making a read on palmer purely based on the video is a waste of time.
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clarity's got the all caps version
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On December 11 2012 09:58 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 09:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK I GIVE UP FUCK YOU
HE MADE THE READS WITHOUT KNOWING HIS ALIGNMENT, HOW CAN HIS READS THAT HE MADE BEFORE READING HIS PM BE ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE You and thrawn need to take a chillz pillz
dude, debears:
On December 11 2012 09:56 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 09:52 debears wrote:On December 11 2012 09:49 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 11 2012 09:36 debears wrote:
If he is lying about the pm, and he is scum, then he has corrupt reads. But, based on the fact that he agrees with me, and I have a town mindset, then I see him more likely to be town than scum.
I don't think he's lying about when he read the pm, considering he made an hour long video, I would trust his reads in the video in terms of being a townie mindset.
Do you see what I'm getting at? No, this doesn't make sense. "I don't think he's lying about when he read the pm, considering he made an hour long video, I would trust his reads in the video in terms of being a townie mindset" First, Palmer didn't check his role pm. I'm already satisfied that he wasn't "acting" and I'm not even 20 minutes into the vid. So yes, his words in the video do come from a town perspective. HOWEVER, the video tells us absolutely nothing about palmer's alignment. In that video, palmer does not know his alignment. So how could anyone know palmer's alignment from the video? (at least until we get a lot of his post pm-checking opinions) Do you really not see that? Do you not see that, if he doesn't know his alignment, then his ideas were from a townie mindset? Yes, that's what I said. His ideas in the video come from a townie mindset. But that doesn't count for anything because palmer didn't know his alignment. A palmer who made that video and is unaware that he's town is indistinguishable from a palmer who made the video and is unware that he's scum.. Making a read on palmer purely based on the video is a waste of time.
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Adam/debears early game
I had the same initial reaction to adam's post that debears did. Here is the line that I think is the start of the conflict:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).
Yes, that line does imply that adam is having doubts about thrawn's alignment. And no, adam does not commit to a read on thrawn. There is no reason to compare thrawn's play this game with his play from a town game unless you are trying to show similarities/differences and therefore some sort of meta based read. However I'm fine with adam not voting for thrawn. I'm even fine with him not wanting to call him scum at that point. It happened at a very early point in the game... I don't expect anyone to be that sure of a read at that point. Do I think debears is scummy for that interaction? No, he's simply did what adam was doing, which was questioning people over weak shit that happened during the early game.
Adam/debears "scumslip"
I'm referring to this post.
So what's going on is adam says he thinks debears is scum, and later says he thinks debears is misunderstanding posts. The logic is that if adam thinks debears is scum, he wouldn't think debears's problem would be that he's misunderstanding posts.
Yet again I think debears is probably being overzealous because of two reasons... confidence and compartmentalization. If adam is town is he 100% sure about debears being scum? I'm assuming not, and when there is any doubt you always should compartmentalize your reads so that you don't make assumptions based off of unflipped players. (yes I know it's specific to the situation, but in general and especially on D1)
On top of all of that, debears can be both scum and misunderstanding adam's posts. I see just about as many possibilities where it's a scumslip as where it isn't a scumslip, so I do not think it's a scumslip.
On December 11 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:@ Z-BosonFirst of all, you're wrong and you have failed to show what goal my actions would serve if I was scum. I'm going to help you to read my posts because you obviously didn't understand where I was going during the early game. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 09:37 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 09:22 debears wrote:
##Vote thrawn
I reject your reality and substitute my own Hello everybody ! @thrawn Did you seriously not read that millers are not self aware ? @debears Are you seriously willing to enforce a "Lynch all Liars" policy ? My first reaction to thrawn post was "yeah, obvious scum" then I thought that he might not have been serious at all. A one liner for a miller claim doesn't look real, regardless of his alignment. The way he answered "nvm, then" shows that he is carefree about it. Debears, you are jumpy as both alignments, but I wouldn't expect your town self to post a video instead of engaging the discussion to get this game rolling. FoS debears My problem with debears early vote was not that it was a vote following a LAL policy but rather the seriousness of this vote. I've assumed that it was a vote for sparking discussion because this was the early game and the atmosphere was quite carefree at this time. Nevertheless, thrawn calling out debears on his vote against him would have been a good starting point for a real discussion but debears chose to post a video instead of this. The problem was not the video itself, but more what he did not do instead. Anyway, this was an early FoS, and also an attempt for me to spark some discussion. And when debears implied that his vote was not serious (which I knew because he didn't use the voting thread to vote thrawn), I wondered why debears would throw early mindless votes like this, and I wanted him to explain this as well. All in all, I think that he didn't really care about what he was doing, and I don't read anything of it. I don't like how debears is focused on Adam so I didn't remove my Fos on him so far.
Something that's been irritating me is the discussion about debear's vote for me. The actual vote itself and the manner in which he did it.... I'm leaning mostly null on but maybe just a little bit town. Djo... do you / did you realize that the matrix video was a direct representation about how debears felt about his vote? It was a joke video response to a question about a joke vote because of a joke claim. In fact, debears' reaction to thrawn's posts was what I was expecting from most people regardless of their alignment. You are questioning him for not engaging in the discussion, when it was (to me) obvious that he didn't find the discussion worth his time. I'm not seeing what's scummy about the first interactions between debears and thrawn.
Palmer's video
-his town group of debears/clarity/marv
This might be what I agree with the most from the video, even down to the order of most town to most scum (clarity, debears, marv) Debears has been derping recently but not in a way that I think makes him scum. I've been getting a gut town read on marv because of how he jumped on me for being a jackass. I thought he was telling the truth about his opinion of my play. His overall involvement hasn't been quite up to my expectations but it's nothing extreme so I'm not worried about marv yet.
On December 11 2012 11:30 debears wrote:
I know marv. All in good fun :D
When did you realize you were wrong?
tldr
-clarity/debears/marv are probably the people I'm least likely to lynch
-the adam/debears conflict is interesting but I'm not convinced of either of debears' cases against adam and I don't want to lynch adam
-+ Show Spoiler [p.s.] +palmer should make another video of him reading through posts for the first time because if he's scum it will be extremely obvious that he's faking it. in fact everyone in the game probably should. posting videos of yourself should probably be against the rules anyway but idc because I think everyone is too lazy to spend time watching/making hours and hours of content.
I no longer want to lynch wbg. There's been more stuff to analyze since then and as the game has gone on I've been thinking that the chances of lynching scum outside of wbg are better than the chances that wbg is scum. Maybe I just really pissed him off or something and that's why he was voting so anti-town.
this post has grown too large so I'll leave my lynch choices for the next one
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On December 11 2012 11:11 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 10:48 debears wrote:
Marvy baby. Thoughts on my recent posts on adam? I like it. I have very little else to add other than I agree that it makes no sense that he was talking to you that way when you were his scumread. I'd understand it more if this was the start of the interactions, but it's been going on a while. Tunkeg has done jack shit to make me think he's town which I love to lynch for on Day 1, but Adam has betrayed a scum mentality right there. ##Unvote
##Vote: Adamsomenumbers
I'm a little concerned about this... I'm nowhere near convinced about the case for adam and I'm surprised that marv is throwing away his tunkeg read to sheep debears' case. It seemed like marv was more convinced about tunkeg than he currently is about adam. Marv am I wrong about this? Does adam's 'scumslip' overrule what you had to say about tunkeg?
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I wasn't saying that your thoughts about them have anything to do with each other, I'm just surprised at how easily you changed votes. You say you'd lynch both... is Adam the one you want to lynch the most?
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debears could you respond to the question I asked you at the bottom of page 22? It's in the last post on the page sorta near the bottom of my post.
Djo: bleh I've probably waited too long to ask this, but I'd like you to go back to this post. When did you write it in relation to the post you made right before it? Was it one right after the other, did you make them simultaneously, did you write the 2nd one first but post the 1st one 1st, etc. please be as specific as possible
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Just trying to get a sense of what your possible town or scum thoughts could have been during that time.... it struck me as a little odd that you had my looney mafia post ready to go but I didn't now what to make of it then and I still don't.
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