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On November 24 2012 00:17 Xatalos wrote: Come on people, join!  The game's filling up a bit slowly.A lot of people's attentions are focused on Chrono Trigger atm ^_^ | ||
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I do, naturally. Doesn't mean I don't wanna live. It's the curse of mafia. | ||
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On November 27 2012 23:46 Xatalos wrote: Isn't it more fun to start the mindgames before the actual game begins?  you're my day 1 lynch <3 | ||
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<3 I wonder if that will work if the people haven't /ined Put BloodyC0bbler on the playerlist yo! | ||
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On November 28 2012 02:34 austinmcc wrote: /in So rusty. hey sexy, good to see you back again ^^ | ||
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On November 28 2012 06:39 MrZentor wrote: I feel that the only reason that everybody is drooling over the playerlist is that my name is on it. I think you mistake 'drooling over' with 'spitting on' <3 <333 | ||
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or you'll have more words pregame than ingame t.t | ||
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On November 29 2012 22:11 Adam4167 wrote: I would love to see the reactions you'd get if you started posting as often as I do, without telling people first. Something tells me they'd be taking your neck measurement by the end of the first cycle. I think that's a fairly safe assumption ^_^ | ||
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Totes town ^^ | ||
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but the meaning is much the same | ||
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On November 30 2012 08:09 debears wrote: Hey marv is there a way to go back further than 10 pages in your posting history? I can only go back to GSL and I was wanting to go back further to see something no idea. | ||
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On November 30 2012 08:29 Ace wrote: I haven't played a game in over a year. Really not sure what to do right now. i played with you in april | ||
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Ace so sneaky. | ||
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On November 30 2012 09:17 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah. But your not as new. Also I am confident in my ability to catch you should you havae had the misfortune to roll scum in this game. So I am not really worried about you. What I AM worried about is town being all retarded and lynching the noobiest player day one (again, no offense) Why would you be worried about that with the preponderence of highly experienced players within the game? | ||
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And you seem to have somewhat mistaken preconceptions of how mafia like to, or do, act. | ||
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just click on games and see if i'm in them, i'm in quite a few | ||
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On November 30 2012 11:01 austinmcc wrote: Dandel is discrediting himself. You say it doesn't make sense from a town perspective. However, it doesn't make any more sense from a scum perspective. Simply untrue. Scum have plenty to gain by being ignored. Just take a gander in Ver's guide for an example (Misder possibly) | ||
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On November 30 2012 12:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Questions: Why is Blazinghand so useless? Why has VE not complained about the lack of scumhunting? Why did Lazermonkey find the need to vote Ace before telling us all he'd be on later? Why does Xatalos seem scummy but has received the most attention, but not that many votes? I find myself questioning a lot in this game. says the dude not voting him | ||
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On November 30 2012 12:42 wherebugsgo wrote: There's a stark difference between uselessness due to absence and uselessness due to a deliberate lack of contribution. And marv, I'm not convinced he's scum. Yet. right, i'm tossing up forced due to town nerves in a big boy game, or scum forced to be continued! | ||
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You sound like you're trying really hard so far. I'm giving you a pass atm just because you're putting so much effort in and most people (including me) haven't yet. Zealos - why did you misrepresent Xata on questions, he didn't say questions were bad, he said that *only* asking questions and not providing anything yourself is bad. I presume you cannot disagree with this so I'm wondering how you managed to misread what he said. | ||
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For how long would BH's trolliness have to continue before you started regarding it with suspicion (if at all)? | ||
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On December 01 2012 02:06 debears wrote: I would say that arguably, players like Marv, BH, and VE have good reputations also. Maybe not quite up to Ace's, but still pretty good. Also, in a game loaded with veterans, why is DoYou so worried about sheeping? Vets seem to be the majority this game, meaning they know better than to mindlessly sheep See where I'm going? Where did he say this? He said he was paranoid of Ace's scum abilities. | ||
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Given it had to be drawn out of DYH I'm not worried about that. Regarding your "moving on" comment, I took it to mean he wouldn't answer on it again, so I'm expecting next time he posts to be on something else. | ||
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On November 30 2012 10:46 debears wrote: That doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to sheep someone cuz of their reputation. I'm going to sheep if their case 1) makes sense 2) is good 3) I believe they are town If he takes a town leader position, it'll be because of those things. Not because of his reputation ##Unvote ##Vote DoYouHas Just because debears himself won't sheep someone on reputation doesn't mean people don't, and it doesn't make it inherently scummy to think that people do. I can find various instances of townies basically just sheeping me (e.g. Clarity, iamperfection) | ||
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On December 01 2012 02:35 austinmcc wrote: marv, how do you feel about some of his followup to that vote? Were DYH's comments scummy as shit? Do DYH's comments justify swapping a vote from another player you find scummy as shit, when that vote is only 25 minutes or so old? I've not found DYH's comments scummy, rather I find them quite straightforward and transparent. Regarding the voteswapping it tells me that he doesn't value his vote particularly, although I'm not sure what conclusions to draw from that yet... but... On November 30 2012 11:12 debears wrote: @Austin Dandel discrediting himself does make sense from a scum perspective. It can make others say "oh he's a noob I shouldn't put too much weight into what he says". It makes zero sense from a town perspective Also, on DoYouHas I'm curious as to why in the fuck he puts such suspicion on Ace and Ace's scumplay when Ace has a higher probability of rolling town than scum (15 players, what 4 scum scum is the norm? so thats 11/15 chance of town, 4/15 for scum). Why does he want to make everyone cautious of him before he even makes any posts? Also, Marv is good at scum. He's only lost 1 game if I recall correctly. Why not mention marv in there also? Why is he scared of Ace this early? That's my reasoning Handily we have him commenting on both players in the same post. On Dandel, we have something that makes zero sense from a town perspective. Whereas on the whole spiel on DYH there is little/no demonstration of why it's a scum mindset over a town mindset. If DYH is town, he could be scared of a master scum Ace. If DYH is scum, he could be scared of a town Ace figuring him out or whatever. Why is one more likely than the other? From reading this post alone it seems like his vote should be on Dandel, not DYH. Over to you, debears. | ||
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that doesn't resolve anything as to where your vote was at the time of that post. | ||
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On December 01 2012 03:01 debears wrote: As I said, I don't like DoYou's post. I found it scummier. Hence the voteswitch why was it scummier than something you believed had "zero town motivation" Could you not find even a bit of town motivation in DYH's post? | ||
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On December 01 2012 03:07 debears wrote: Although Dandel's post had zero town motivation (at the time), it made little sense for a scum to do it also. DYH's could be explained by town motivation (not wanting people to sheep) but was way overcast by the scum motivation (make people more wary of following a good player who might be town). Also, I didn't like how he sounded. It gave off a scared town towards Ace. Why would DYH be scared of Ace? Why would he be scared of Ace when there are other vets who are most likely town if Ace is scum? Why does he single out Ace with other good players here? On November 30 2012 11:12 debears wrote: @Austin Dandel discrediting himself does make sense from a scum perspective. It can make others say "oh he's a noob I shouldn't put too much weight into what he says". o rly | ||
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On December 01 2012 03:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I suppose no one but me is interested in Ace's marv vote, right? Everyone scared or something? Ace care to share with the class? naw, just don't give a shit he'll presumably explain at some stage | ||
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On December 01 2012 03:09 debears wrote: Marv, I will wait til answer that when dandel gives me a response to the above question what has dandel's responses got to do with it? you're fundamentally contradicting yourself and that has nothing to do with what dandel responds with... | ||
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##vote: debears | ||
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On December 01 2012 03:13 austinmcc wrote: I actually wasn't interested by it. Not currently inclined to vote marv. care to commentate on what you provoked with me and debears? | ||
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On December 01 2012 03:14 Zealos wrote: You may as well let him wait for a little, though I'm pretty sure what he comes up with will be not relevant to the contradiction. why? why do you want him to wait to explain a contradiction which only relies on what he's posted and nothing to do with what dandel has posted? why would you want that? explain yourself, cretinous fiend. | ||
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On December 01 2012 03:22 austinmcc wrote: I still don't think debears has good reasons for his vote, no matter how many times he references vets or DYH trying to undermine Ace, or anything like that. Nothing...new generated from him, so right now he's still on the scummy side of things for me. As to you...mild town read based on your pursuit of this and your dislike of his votes. There's not a lot of substance yet that's come out of this though. You're pursuing something I sort of did last night, and he's answering, so far, in more or less the same way as he has been. It's more of the same, and so nothing has dropped out of the conversation yet that really triggers a reaction from me. I don't really agree it's more of the same. He's making post-hoc explanations that contradict his earlier ones, which he had not done previously. I'm curious you don't pick up on this. | ||
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On December 01 2012 03:52 debears wrote: Very well. My thought process Dandel said he's noob in vet game Town - Refer to Djo's first game if you know what I mean Scum - Wants town to ignore him Ok, so I thought of this: Dandel is a newish player to TL Mafia. Newish players usually read the guides. My whole "saying your noob" read is from Ver's XXX analysis. Which, thinking back, almost everyone I've played with is familiar with it So, I was thinking, with Dandel being a new player, and most likely reading the guide, why would he do that as scum? Most of us would pick up on it. It'd be dumb Also, based on that, it would put him in the spotlight (even if it is just mine) See why I asked and wanted to wait? Thanks guys the point is, debears, this 'town' explanation only appeared later and was not present in your mind at the time that you voted for DYH over Dandel. At the time you said there was zero town motivation and yet you moved your vote off him for spurious Ace-related reasons. | ||
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On December 01 2012 07:24 Xatalos wrote: You actually think I'm Mafia at the moment? How did that case of DYH convince you of anything? the insane number of qualifiers you use that i saw some times in that scum filter and not at all in your town filter that i found. | ||
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do you have an explanation? | ||
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On December 01 2012 07:43 Xatalos wrote: Haha. I guess you mean Game of Thrones, where I was extremely indecisive and just followed behind others. But if you look at my later games as Mafia, I was very careful to appear consistent and decisive. I also never was in danger of being lynched (unless you count the end of XXVI where I was catched by a process of elimination). But I was under constant pressure in VII (as VT) and eventually lynched. Kind of like the situation is right now... For some reason I play a better townie as Mafia than as a real townie :/ No, I mean the filter that DYH linked. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 11:26 Xatalos wrote: Now I've read through the thread, and I must say... I'm pleasantly surprised. There's a lot of information to work with already at this point. The post I had the hardest time figuring out was the very first post in the thread by sciberbia: At first glance, I thought sciberbia was an overeager townie trying to direct the game to his liking. It seemed unlikely for a Mafia (especially a beginner Mafia) to put himself into the spotlight right away. However, when I looked closer at the content of this post, I wasn't so sure anymore. Basically the "meat" of this post was speculation about the setup and suggesting a no-lynch. A no-lynch would just give Mafia more breathing room and a free pass to do whatever they want for today. What's more, Mafia would then shoot the most dangerous player in their eyes, and the lurkers / distractive players would of course live on. This would be an ideal situation for Mafia to start day 2 with: a good town player dead, but every suspicious/lurking player still alive. The pool of lynch candidates would be bigger in comparison, and Mafia could hide much easier. So, was sciberbia pushing Mafia agenda all along? For a moment I thought so, but looking also at his later posts, I don't think a beginner Mafia could fake such complicated theories and thought processes. Maybe if he was a veteran, but even then, why would he risk himself in the first place? Either he's a great actor or genuinely wanting to help town. Right now I'm leaning on town, especially since this is a newbie game. Occam's razor: the simplest explanation is usually the right one. Another player I noticed was Cattivik. So far he has been analyzing the game, posting reads, calling out lurkers - all in all, playing for town's win condition. I didn't like him giving sciberbia a free pass just because he was the "first to post", but disregarding that, his filter looks good. Miltonkram, why did you vote for sciberbia so fast? Do you really want to lynch him or is it just a throwaway vote? I'm not comfortable with lynching him at all, especially since most people haven't even posted anything. s0Lstice, you have been wishy-washy and cautious so far. Take a hard stance on something or you'll end up as a lynch candidate sooner or later. Suki, unforgiven_ve, Superouman, Eishi_Ki: start posting as soon as possible. Every moment spent lurking is a victory for Mafia. I'm going to be offline for a while; start posting about your Mafia reads, especially s0Lstice and those who have yet to post. On May 31 2012 17:31 Xatalos wrote: Something feels off about Unforgiven_ve. His contributions so far are "safe" generalities to say about the game. In addition, he wants to move the spotlight away from himself by asking for a town leader to easily sheep, and then he even says that he won't vote until the last hours (when it's extremely easy to bandwagon and blend in as Mafia). As things stand, I'm ready to go for a Unforgiven_ve lynch. However, I want to see your response first, Unforgiven_ve. You better impress with your next post or your filter looks really bad already. see the stuff on bold. I also went through 3 pages of your town filter and did not see a single instance of you giving out any sort of town read. It was bang bang bang this guy is scummy, this guy is scummy, this guy is scummy. Not a single townread, not one. Even in the spoiler you're giving out townreads as mafia. | ||
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You should know yourself they don't compare. Anyways, outside input welcomed. (code for: a bunch of people in this game need to do some shit) | ||
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On December 01 2012 09:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Interestingly, they're referring to the same guy so I shouldn't have. I didn't filter the guy, I just found the posts I was looking for and quoted them. What do you make of Xata's case on me? How did he go from "nothing decisive" to a vote after his statement about me not following up on debears was proven patently false the moment he hit submit on the first post? Unless I'm missing something drastic, he didn't make a case on you, he kinda voted for you and talked to DYH a lot? Isn't that what happened? | ||
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i'm warring at the moment because from everything i've looked at at his previous games, how he comes across with his votes and townreads in this game lines up more with his mafia play. Then the more sensible side of my brain tells me to stop being stupid because the only anchor i have for his townie play was a newbie 5 months ago :/ | ||
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On December 01 2012 10:10 Blazinghand wrote: wow I'm so retarded please ignore MrZ case you need to explain. | ||
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On December 01 2012 10:10 wherebugsgo wrote: wait, wtf? My last post didn't go through. I don't remember the last votecount but from my mental image of the game it seems like we're moving toward lynching Xatalos. I'm fine with that; I have some small doubts that he might not be scum (i.e. his activity, for one) but I've seen him play active scum (Newbie XV for example) so perhaps it doesn't mean anything. However, I want to point out that there is something about Lazermonkey that I find quite disconcerting: he shows up for a brief amount of time, votes randomly, and then leaves. He first did that with Ace and then did it again with Shiaopi. His exchange with Shiaopi seemed really forced and artificial, and he hasn't said anything of substance. Try to think of an opinion he's had or of anything of substance he's said: my mind comes up blank. ##vote Lazermonkey why so scummy, bugs | ||
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"looks like you're lynching this guy, cool. i'ma vote for this other dude though. Don't really care if you vote for him too. Lynch who you want" | ||
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On December 01 2012 10:16 Blazinghand wrote: do I have to? It's pretty embarassing. I'd rather just work on a xatalos case plz yes, yes you do. | ||
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On September 21 2012 22:33 Palmar wrote: Spamming the game up and saying he's up for lynching half the people in the game is not indicative of marv being town. I'll just be here on my wagon until anyone starts listening. Guess what this dude flipped | ||
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bugs speaks like a scum VE speaks like a handsome devil i speak like a townie voting to lynch scum c wat i did thar | ||
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On December 01 2012 10:46 Blazinghand wrote: Uh yeah I dunno why everyone's all up in WBG's ass. this game he's asked bad questions (link) posted a short semi-useless post (link) and calls out lazermonkey with a relatively short vote-case (link). This is pretty much the same as, say, TL Mafia LI where he opened up with "fuck you ET" and a vote (link) and felt free to just lob in 1-liner questions (link) (link) as a form of contribution D1. WBG could still well be scum, but I don't see it. except from your own link he's clearly engaging with the thread there. | ||
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On December 01 2012 10:49 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah and his questions this game are just as relevant as the questions in LI. Really don't see what's got you so convinced marv. i take it i need to teach you how to read here he throws out a bunch of questions he has no intention of following up on in the first 24 hours of LI that you kindly linked, he interacts with town, has several posts, and asks at least 3 different players who they want to kill and who they think they are scum gl finding the same thing this game | ||
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On December 01 2012 10:54 Blazinghand wrote: Alright, I see what you see about the questions. In LI WBG follows them up and tries to draw out people's scumreads. it's much more pro-town than in this game. Even if WBG's questions are less useful, his case this game (against lazermonkey) is significantly better than "fuck you ET". I see what you're getting at though. Town marv would think this. ##unvote his vote on ET was a troll, stop equating it. right at the start. you're entirely missing the point about his Lazer case. Read his post again. I will summarise thus: "Xatalos is almost certainly scum. The only reason he might not be scum is this reason I'm about to discount myself in the same paragraph." "This Lazer guy is disconcerting, so he's scum. Even though he's a newbie he's not had a lot to say for himself. I am so convinced by this mini case that I will vote for Lazer over the guy I think has a very high chance to flip scum" | ||
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"I will then follow this up by saying I know what Ace means. I will call marv's play anti-town even though I am well aware of how marv plays town and it's pretty much like this" | ||
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 tell me that's not how that post reads... do you disagree at all with what i wrote there? | ||
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On December 01 2012 10:10 wherebugsgo wrote: wait, wtf? My last post didn't go through. I don't remember the last votecount but from my mental image of the game it seems like we're moving toward lynching Xatalos. I'm fine with that; I have some small doubts that he might not be scum (i.e. his activity, for one) but I've seen him play active scum (Newbie XV for example) so perhaps it doesn't mean anything. However, I want to point out that there is something about Lazermonkey that I find quite disconcerting: he shows up for a brief amount of time, votes randomly, and then leaves. He first did that with Ace and then did it again with Shiaopi. His exchange with Shiaopi seemed really forced and artificial, and he hasn't said anything of substance. Try to think of an opinion he's had or of anything of substance he's said: my mind comes up blank. ##vote Lazermonkey "Xatalos is almost certainly scum. The only reason he might not be scum is this reason I'm about to discount myself in the same paragraph." "This Lazer guy is disconcerting, so he's scum. Even though he's a newbie he's not had a lot to say for himself. I am so convinced by this mini case that I will vote for Lazer over the guy I think has a very high chance to flip scum" On December 01 2012 10:37 wherebugsgo wrote: I understand why Ace voted you now. rofl. If anyone else is curious, go check out marvellosity's filter. If he's town, he's doig a pretty shitty job of keeping the thread coherent. "I will then follow this up by saying I know what Ace means. I will call marv's play anti-town even though I am well aware of how marv plays town and it's pretty much like this" | ||
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On December 01 2012 11:01 DarthPunk wrote: Ok. Any comments on my case? or is everyone content to continue being useless? Like, I am content to be useless also. But if that is the case I won't bother putting effort in you know. this is scummy as shit. actually we've not been useless for quite a lot of pages now, and if you'd read properly you'd know this. luckily for you, bugs is scummier right now. | ||
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On December 01 2012 11:06 DarthPunk wrote: I guess we have different definitions of useless. yeah, hunting scum in debears/xatalos/bugs has been so useless. get a grip. anyway, bedtime. BH </3 | ||
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On December 01 2012 18:20 Ace wrote: ##unvote ##vote Blazinghand Just end this farce now. These "cases" are so forced and stupid he has to be Scum. you haven't seen him play town much then | ||
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On December 01 2012 21:19 Ace wrote: If he does it when he's Town and he's aware of it and is doing it now what do you think that means? :/ you don't even make sense if he often makes dumb cases as town, then yes, he can be town. it doesn't mean he's scum | ||
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On December 02 2012 01:04 Ace wrote: Seriously amazed that you've read this thread and that is the direction you've chosen to go. Unfucking real. seriously amazed that all you've done this game is be a worthless dickhead except i'm not amazed, i expected it | ||
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##unvote DP seems to be needlessly aggressive. I don't like that at all. | ||
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On December 02 2012 01:25 ShiaoPi wrote: So who do you want to lynch Xata? Which of the three is scummiest to you? is there something that makes you regard DP as townie, Shiao? | ||
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On December 02 2012 01:44 debears wrote: Isn't DP usually needlessly aggressive as town and more amicable as scum? no, the opposite | ||
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On December 02 2012 02:33 austinmcc wrote: austin's not as active as marv would like D1 therefore, austin is ________ are you seriously just going to pop in a game with one sarcy post and leave again?? | ||
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On December 02 2012 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, that's where I'm at with Zealos too austin, which puts me at a crossroads because Zealos also voted for Xatalos. :/ MARV COME HERE I WANT YOU yeah i don't like any of it. I'm hesitant on Zealos because his play always comes across as super weakly to me. Although why he keeps referring to some game which was more than half my mafia career ago I have no idea. Xatalos has managed to post so much without saying almost anything which is irritating. What makes me hesitant is that I can understand his thought process on some things. I also am having an extremely hard time getting town reads this game, and the timing of your debears case did seem opportunistic at the time (not even saying that's what it was, but I had that gut reaction at the time reading the thread). Ace is a dick bugs is a dick Zentor is Zentor ShiaoPi is pointless All DYH has done is talk about Xatalos Dandel has sat on his arse doing nothing literally all day. I think... I want to lynch DarthPunk. I found his early defence of Xatalos quite bizarre and unnecessary. Not only this, it has been quite out of play with his subsequent play. DarthPunk tells us he was "feeling protective" of newbie Xatalos. But he treats Lazermonkey, someone with not many games and with similar standing in the game, as a piece of fucking shit on the bottom of his shoe. He also calls the whole thread useless and retards, which jarred at the point that a lot of us were genuinely trying to talk through Xatalos and other matters. It was just shitty ranting for the sake of shitty ranting. I'm also not picking up any of the towntells I normally get from DP. They might just be absent and he's town, but I don't think so. He's aggressive without being helpful and I think we should lynch him today. ##vote: DarthPunk | ||
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On December 02 2012 05:20 wherebugsgo wrote: yes, let's call scum one of the only players in the game who is not afraid to put forth his opinion. The fuck are you smoking? Where is your meta read of DP coming from? Based on my cursory reads of his meta and past games, I have to agree 100% with his defense (to BH) and that you're completely wrong about how he plays both mafia and town. In addition, since when is calling people dumb a scumtell? DP is clearly not afraid to draw attention to himself by saying the thread has so far been useless. I don't find that particularly scummy in most situations, so I don't understand how DP is suddenly the exception. I called his mafia play correctly in the game you hosted, Acme I called his town play correctly in Mario when the whole town wanted to lynch him, I stopped it His townplay is more constructive, has moments of unscripted lightheartedness, and is less purely aggressive than his scum play | ||
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On December 02 2012 05:27 austinmcc wrote: For anyone who's particularly concerned about Zealos's vote on Xatalos indicating Zealos is scum...here's my hangup. WHY WOULD SCUM DROP A VOTE LIKE THAT? When it comes down to "scumZealos is trying to look like he's not just jumping on board a lynch" and "townZealos is dropping a vote without a good explanation" ... I lean towards the townZealos option. I know that you may want to justify a vote as scum, but...that's not the way to do it. Right? That's where my head is at right now on Zealos. Without that vote, he's scummy. With that vote, I have more trouble thinking that he's scum. don't do that I lynched Zealos in that game he keeps mentioning (magic mini) because he voted for someone on day 1 who he said would probably flip town. in other words the vote was epically bad, and it was scummy, in that game. | ||
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On December 02 2012 05:28 Ace wrote: Blazing Hand - marv Scum team? Is it possible that isn't a gimp pairing? Ace-Ace full on retard team | ||
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On December 02 2012 05:27 wherebugsgo wrote: Explain why DP is scummier than Zealos. Also everything you just said is not backed up by any evidence. I took a completely different interpretation from my reading of DP's posts in past games. Why don't you actually provide some evidence for your claims, since the burden of proof is on you to establish why DP is scum? ?? the only thing that isn't apparent from reading his filter or the thread is what I consider his town/scum tells to be. | ||
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On December 02 2012 05:29 Xatalos wrote: I think you're putting too much weight into metagames. I'd say it's better to lynch someone who is acting scummy in the thread than someone who might be playing according to his scum meta (or not). You guessed my alignment correctly once when I was Mafia and you were observing based on meta, but meta shouldn't be the only or even primary tool of playing. don't tell me how to play. | ||
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On December 02 2012 05:31 wherebugsgo wrote: Come up with some comparisons of his play here to play in past games that actually show what you're saying. So far you just seem like you're full of shit, since I can't see what you're talking about. Prove me wrong or I'll start gunning to kill you, since your reasons so far all game have been god awful. coming from the cesspool of shite that is you, that's rich. fuck off, bugs. | ||
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On December 02 2012 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote: so your response to me questioning your case is to get pissy and tell me to fuck off? Cool, you went from "probably town" to "probably scum" in a matter of 5 minutes. Prepare your anus for the tunneling you're about to receive. bring it... | ||
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On December 02 2012 06:11 debears wrote: ##Unvote Dandel ##Vote Marv I want to see your meta read marv. I've played with DP twice and the times he is town he goes aggro on someone. I found him scum d1 in Acme because of how uninvolved he was It's very hard to explain a feel meta-read on a guy. Bear in mind I've pretty much coached/hosted/played in every single game he's played in if I recall. Town tells I pick up on his play are when he's lighthearted in the middle of otherwise serious discussions. + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 11:33 DarthPunk wrote: Lol marv scolding me is super cute. On November 13 2012 15:57 DarthPunk wrote: Holy shit after reading BH's case on ZB I thought he was Austin for a moment. 0_o On November 13 2012 09:44 DarthPunk wrote: HI ZB <3. Yeah ZB will figure me out If I am scum, and Vice Versa. Hapa will figure marv out and marv will figure everyone out. GG scummers On October 22 2012 00:36 DarthPunk wrote: If I am right I am going to obnoxiously ungraceful about it. ^_^ On October 22 2012 00:47 DarthPunk wrote: If your alive day 2 we'll all be more than wary. Or scum could have been retarded and not shot you. But yeah. Better lynch you then anyway just to be safe. ROFL.. Other than the initial phase of trolling, I've not seen that here. On Day 1s DP is also less aggressive than he's inclined to be as scum. More constructive, like I said. Look at his attitude here as town: + Show Spoiler + On October 21 2012 09:11 DarthPunk wrote: OK. It was a passing comment. Not a plan. And the reasoning I gave was not the primary motive for the comment. The primary motive was to just throw something out there and stimulate discussion. Mission Successful I guess. The reasoning I gave was the motive behind asking Role over just alignment. People say that my reasoning is bad/ illogical. Fine. I disagree. But either way that you look at it, it was clearly town motivated. That being said I, like others, Tend to believe at least one scum used that situation to hide and fake contribute in. Hapa's meta read aside. I find Drazak's actions difficult to reconcile with a townie mind set. He jumped all to easily on perfections wagon and seemed to actually believe I was scum. Then when pressured, played it off as meaningless and stimulating discussion. Then when the pressure was back on me I am scum again. He is all too obvious in moving with the sway of the thread rather than having his own beliefs and sticking to them/trying to convince others. Furthermore. He dropped a vote that may/ may not have been in order to stimulate discussion parks it there and disappears. which is VERY silly in light of the lynch mechanics. On October 21 2012 21:26 DarthPunk wrote: Wow. I really suck at constructing sentences this late/ always. I hope you can understand WTF I am saying. On October 21 2012 21:28 DarthPunk wrote: For clarity. Keirs play this game is similar to his early Liquid City play. If his play doesn't improve as it did in that game I would take a closer look at him. If I had to pick between a Keir Lynch and a V7 lynch I would lynch V7. On October 21 2012 22:02 DarthPunk wrote: Heh. I guess I should take another look. On October 21 2012 23:36 DarthPunk wrote: Really? I think voting for someone you think is town is a lynchable offense, The only reason that he is not getting lynched is that he is new and people are giving him the benefit of the doubt IMO. I think Drazak is scum. I am not sure Keir is. On October 21 2012 23:53 DarthPunk wrote: I apologise if my posting is bad/unclear I am pulling an all nighter to get my assignment in on time. And I am super tired. Also remember in Mario he was quite apologetic for quite a while about being absent and busy, and was only later in the day he started getting aggressive as he felt he might get lynched. Here he viciously attacks Lazermonkey (oh by the way, also in the quotes above are how he deals with scumreads day 1 - he's not sure!). Having treeated Xatalos 'protectively' he lays into Lazer and after shouting at him a lot finally says that he's not going to bother dealing with him anymore. DP feels much more confident unilaterally calling things shit or retarded day 1 as scum because he knows people's alignments and he knows how the game is running and he has some sense of control. Unlike when he's town when on one hand he firmly believes in his reads but at the same time recognises that his reads are often wrong, and so he interacts with the town more on them. Town DP I know doesn't call the whole town retarded when town is actually working to try to get somewhere. | ||
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On December 02 2012 05:48 wherebugsgo wrote: Indeed he just tried to use a position of authority on DP ("I got his alignment right before" bullshit) instead of actually furthering his case with evidence. When I asked for evidence that supports his claims, he just told me to fuck off. It's clear he's full of hot air and is just a scum flailing around trying to make accusations stick. His accusation on me clearly didn't stick after his half-assed shitty "contradiction" case. It was clear to anyone who was reading the thread that I am not scum, and only the bandwagon-happy and lazy players actually agreed with him. bugs, you're so silly. 'clear to everyone'. Not clear at all, get off your high horse. Pray tell me, why was it 'clear' you were not scum? What shining beacons of townplay had you brought forth? Hmm, dear? | ||
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On December 02 2012 06:31 Xatalos wrote: Now it's between Zealos and marvellosity? Zealos should be the clear choice among these players. marvellosity has been very active, Zealos has not. marvellosity has argued and shared his reads, Zealos has bandwagoned (unconvincingly). I don't get this sudden turnaround. I don't really get marvellosity's complete trust in his meta reads either, but he's been succesful with it in earlier games, so I can't blame him for that. At the very least his active posting style will sooner or later lead to his demise if he is somehow Mafia. That's not the case for someone who stays out of the spotlight like Zealos. DP has 3 votes, can you read? :/ | ||
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On December 02 2012 06:33 Ace wrote: So the case on Zealos is inactivity? what's yours on me? | ||
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On December 02 2012 06:36 MrZentor wrote: Sorry buddy. "acting weird" is not a reason. | ||
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On December 02 2012 06:40 Blazinghand wrote: Welp ##unvote ##vote DP you're fucking awful by the way. fucking awful. | ||
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On December 02 2012 06:41 Ace wrote: You know I was getting a little worried about the quick votes onto you marv. But with over an hour left and you not even really convincing people not to lynch you but others instead - a last minute detective role claim in that manner is poor. Not buying it. And to think I was this close to unvoting you. that's because no-one will make a case on me, idiot what else am i supposed to do than convince people to vote somone i think is scum? | ||
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On December 02 2012 06:49 Ace wrote: Well that attitude along with the attitude you've shown since the start makes my vote stay. I'd think someone that was really a detective knowing people were voting for them would at the very least try to get them on his side. You either don't give a shit about the game or just squirming scum. Either way good riddance. You aren't important. sorry that you forgot how to play mafia in your absence | ||
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On December 02 2012 06:52 Blazinghand wrote: yeah a role PM would be nice marv I do think Ace makes a reasonable case for why Marv's claim is bad and should be punished, but as a rule lynching blue claims D1 is bad. Sorry Ace. You are Jamie Hyneman. Your love of the scientific method makes it possible for you to find out how shit works. You've also got a cool collection of cameras and stuff, that you can totally use to track people. (Detective) | ||
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On December 02 2012 06:54 Blazinghand wrote: Actually assuming your claim is true, we're probably not lynching you tomorrow since you're gonna be dead so there is that roleblocks | ||
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On December 02 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote: Oh yeah that's true. They could just RB you also. But again, assuming you're town, you're a good NK anyways since town marv is scary marv. I'd give it at least even odds you're the NK as a claimed DT. i thought you just agreed with Ace that i wasn't important to town? | ||
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On December 02 2012 06:57 Blazinghand wrote: I agreed with Ace that your claim is bad and there's a chance you're scum. I'm sure scum gets fakeclaims so the role PM is meaningless. The reason you're not getting lynched is that you don't lynch blues D1. scum get fakeclaims if they ask for them i know this because I was curious about DarthPunk's first post about his role fluff being interesting and I checked. You also said that my claim was the right thing to do in that situation only about an hour ago. what's wrong with you. | ||
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On December 02 2012 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: DarthPunk Darth isn't caring about town this game. He's not even coming at anyone, which is like, a DP staple. Marv's claim is....a claim. I don't want to lynch a claimed blue D1...not with my karma. you don't think he came at Lazermonkey?? | ||
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On December 02 2012 07:01 Blazinghand wrote: Wow all these people agreeing with me to lynch DP and I'm the only one with a good reason. Don't look gift horses in the mouth I guess fuck off. | ||
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On December 02 2012 07:01 Ace wrote: and why would the mod only tell you this and not everyone else? That isn't possible. maybe because... I sent him a PM? :O :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | ||
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On December 02 2012 07:06 debears wrote: Yeah i did....I just have the image of my first newbie of him pinning kush in record time. then in mario him screaming lynch Djo He isn't here right now which is really odd Hey, has anyone seen Dandel Ion???? Djo was on day 4 or something. | ||
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Like: the different way he treated Xatalos and Lazermonkey. That's nothing to do with meta. Why 'protective' of one and screaming at the other? The way he called town useless continuously despite the town not being useless. That's not how a townie acts. | ||
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On December 02 2012 07:19 Ace wrote: No shit there isn't a counterclaim - it's Day 1. If Marv is Scum why would a cop CC with no investigations? Seriously how bad are you at this game? you're playing the worst. time to shut your cakehole you arrogant baddie. | ||
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On December 02 2012 07:25 Ace wrote: I've already requested to be replaced out so don't worry about it. hurray! then I might get to enjoy this game. | ||
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On December 02 2012 07:33 wherebugsgo wrote: oh wait, you already know our alignments cause you're scum! herpa derpa herpa derpa it's like that one time prplhz or whoever the fuck claimed cop d1 and then everyone let him live yeah that time when prplhz had 3 votes 12 hours into day 1 just like when marv had the most votes, votes were flooding into him, 1.5 hours from lynch time just like that time, yes? | ||
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On December 02 2012 07:36 austinmcc wrote: This post smells. Bad. DYH do you care who you're voting for? You have been ENTIRELY focused on Xatalos, 100%. Now you pop in, decide that your #1 super duper scumread isn't your vote, you will vote one of two people who are possible lynches. And you choose between them based not on the cases against them, something you find scummy, or ANYTHING like that. You place your vote on DP because.......Zealos voted for Xatalos. Would you care to say ANYTHING about ANYONE who isn't Xatalos? yeah, i totally agree with this. | ||
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On December 02 2012 07:39 JingleHell wrote: If such were to occur, there are no guarantees about the formatting or availability of an answer. i love you jingle, lol | ||
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On December 02 2012 07:40 wherebugsgo wrote: why does it matter, prplhz thought he was dying just like you. scum do whatever they want to live when they think they're gonna die do you seriously have that little idea what my town and scum play looks like? | ||
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On December 02 2012 07:47 austinmcc wrote: Mah intentions. I intend to vote for scum. I'd appreciate someone who got a scum PM claiming, and then I will vote that person. Otherwise, I'll vote Zealos, DYH, ShiaoPi. ShiaoPi does not appear to be happening. helps if you make them clearer more than 10 minutes before lynch time. did you learn nothing from Looney? | ||
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On December 02 2012 08:11 Blazinghand wrote: Well at least we didn't lynch the vigi. Damn DYH you ass you needed to claim much earlier than that. Now at least one of you/marv will be able to get your night action done though :D maybe like, 1.5 hours before deadline???? | ||
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On December 02 2012 08:18 austinmcc wrote: That's fine, but...I did not expect posts like these from you guys:Both are ... more certain than I like? that DYH is a vigi where's the certainty? he needs to claim pre-deadline so we can verify whether he's vigi or not it's exceedingly simple | ||
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On December 02 2012 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote: w/e I'm gonna go eat. Scoreboard: Me 1 Retard Train (aka everyone else) 0 nuh uh, you're on the retard train coz you were voting for the cop. sorry buddy. | ||
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On December 02 2012 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote: the guy who claimed cop d1 dares call someone else stupid? well I guess it was a pretty smart move for you considering that you are scum and everyone else is too stupid to realize how much of a scummy move that was. yes, because it's even stupider that you were still voting for me, twinkletoes. stop being a baddie and assess the game properly. | ||
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On December 02 2012 08:37 wherebugsgo wrote: you think claiming cop day 1 as town is a good move? If so, then stop fucking calling me a baddie. yes, i think claiming cop is a good idea when the votes were rushing on to me, and everyone was refusing to give any reasons. The votes should not be on me and they should be on finding scum. How am I supposed to argue against everyone's non-existent cases? "marv is playing weird" "marv is likelier scum than x" "marv is something else that doesn't at all describe why i'm scum in any way" | ||
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On December 02 2012 08:41 wherebugsgo wrote: and yet you caused the bandwagon on DP for exactly the same reasons. What have we concluded here? Oh, right, that people in mafia games bandwagon for stupid reasons. Doesn't change the fact that you're scum, though! now who's misrepresenting the thread? stop it. | ||
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On December 02 2012 08:41 Blazinghand wrote: I think someone could still reasonably make the case marv that you should have waited longer before claiming, or, even against a bad case, argued more ardently before claiming. do you really need me to go and compile a bunch of votes/reasons that I couldn't argue against? is there some mathematic formula i should be aware of for when to claim? is 70 minutse before deadline acceptable, but 90 is not? | ||
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On December 02 2012 08:45 wherebugsgo wrote: Keep talking, you give me more ammo every time you do. You complain that no one had "adequate reason" to vote you, yet you simply throw around unsubstantiated shit like "you're misrepresenting the thread". The simple fact is, there exists documented evidence that I was right about DP and that you were full of hot air. If you are town you need to realize this. The fact that you refuse to realize it either means you're just a stubborn townie who's playing badly (certainly possible) or, my hypothesis, that you're pressured scum. you're arguing separate things. obviously i was wrong about DP, what's to argue with? you are misrepresenting the thread, do you want me to go and paste the reasons i was voting for DP? what am I 'not realising'? what you are 'not realising' is that I am town, who got backed into a corner, whether it's Zentor's "being weird", BH's non-reason, or Ace's non-reason (i literally can't remember the reasons half the people voted for me). Personally if i'm blue and getting lynched i'm gonna claim. If I'd got lynched and I'd flipped cop, everyone would be shouting "y u no claim marvelbabes?!?"?"?!?!" | ||
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On December 02 2012 08:57 wherebugsgo wrote: man I asked you to come up with ONE example in context of how DP's meta fit him in this game. I argued that I came to the opposite conclusion and I was fairly loud about it to prevent him from getting bandwagoned. Yet, you chose to tell me to fuck off. No shit I got aggressive when the guy pushing the biggest bandwagon in the thread refuses to answer any questions about his reasoning. You should know I lash out if I'm being annoyed. Hell, you even do the same when it's not warranted too, don't deny it. Do you really think me, marvellosity, is scum because I told you to fuck off? I got heated and pissed in your face. Should I? no. Did I? yes. It doesn't make me scum. If you're town you need to get off this tunneltrain or at least understand how I'm prone to playing the game. Do you see where I'm coming from?? | ||
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On December 02 2012 08:59 debears wrote: I have a feeling we could confirm most of town right now.........garrrrrrrrrr what? | ||
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On December 02 2012 09:01 debears wrote: My role pm is different from the two presented so far why would that confirm most of town? | ||
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On December 02 2012 09:03 debears wrote: Because its different in a way scum would not know surely if your PM is different from a townflip, that wouldn't help? i'm missing something here | ||
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On December 02 2012 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote: I get annoyed but at the very least I answer the question being asked when I'm town. Note, when I'm town. When I'm scum I generally do whatever the hell I want and rarely does that involve answering questions about my lynch targets. What makes you scum is not the fact that you got pissed off but rather the fact that you call out everyone for "shitty reasoning" yet your own lynch target was seemingly arbitrarily picked. You come up with a bunch of meaningless fluff that was refutable just by reading DP's filter and two of his past games. In fact that was one of the first things I did. You know what I noticed? That you were wrong. So, when I tell you that you are wrong (despite the burden of proof for the DP case being on YOU) you get overly defensive and refuse to answer questions about the reasoning. Townies don't refuse to answer reasoning about cases they make when they're told they're wrong. They defend their cases and they give reasons why other people are wrong. You didn't do any of that when I called you out on your fabrications. they weren't fabrications, and I presented my thoughts on why to debears after I'd had dinner. how DP treated xatalos/Lazer and his attitude towards the town was not "meaningless fluff". Anyway, as you're not going to listen, I'll leave you to it. | ||
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On December 02 2012 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote: I've mentioned this before, but: Go back and look at how BH switches his votes and how he reasons them. Look at how he attacks DP. Firstly, one could argue that voteswitching doesn't really tell us anything about how BH is scum or not. Sure, one could argue that, but then consider that BH doesn't do any work in pushing his targets either. He switches really often, usually with no attached reason, and he's so erratic that no one really knows what he's going to do or why he's going to do it. As town I feel like BH usually at least gives reasons for attacking people. It looks as if he feigned contribution on DP/Zentor, and stuff like this: suggests that he's more concerned with his appearance than actually finding scum. What's especially weird is his vote switches between DP and DYH. These are just done for no reason at all and he never states why his suspicion of either changes as he does it. Lastly, I haven't heard anyone yet say that they find BH to be townie. Notice how people consistently call him scum (even marv did) and no one really considers him town, but there's always a different target with the attention on them. Before Mario mafia I would have agreed with this wholeheartedly. BH hopped around manically in that game though. I heavily attacked him because one moment he said Z-Boson was town. Then town was switching off someone else and on to Z-Boson, and suddenly Z-Boson was definitely scum: On November 15 2012 10:59 marvellosity wrote: cool story bro | ||
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On December 02 2012 09:58 wherebugsgo wrote: also I find it ironic that you are trying to discredit me now when you tried to use past results to justify that your trash case on DP. I'm not trying to discredit you at all, I'm basically asking that you stop calling me bad for lynching a townie day 1 as if it's never happened before. We can call a truce on it or I can just carry on being a dick to you too, but I'd really rather not at this stage. I thought I was right about DP and I wasn't, it doesn't make me a bad player all of a sudden. | ||
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On December 03 2012 04:52 sandroba wrote: Edit: nvm i see you calmed down lol I've not touched or looked at this game since the flip. But the reason for my unvote of DYH was partly panic, and partly because I went back to look at how DYH played as scum in Dwarf Fortress. His play seemed different there in that at least superficially he was more involved, he had questions for other players on Day 1, and didn't tunnel on one player. Anyway right now I'm inclined to believe his vigilante because he claimed it with like 1 or 2 minutes to go or something, realistically not enough time to sway anyone to change their vote. BH I just don't know. I raged at him in Mario on several occasions for what I viewed as retarded plays (voting someone he just called town and calling him scum with no reason). I can see town BH tunnelling someone even when holes have been picked in his case. I don't actually know how to have a scumread on BH :/ | ||
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On December 03 2012 05:29 sandroba wrote: @marv what gave you the idea you might have a unknown sanity? the game is called Paranoia, it's a closed setup, and my sanity wasn't specified in my PM. | ||
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On December 03 2012 05:40 sandroba wrote: I'm just trying to understand the timing here: You claim DT -> You think hey what if I have a sanity -> You ask host about it and he answers-> You post that you don't know your sanity. Is this correct? no, I asked about my sanity at the start of the game. i got a reply and the gist of it was that he wouldn't tell me if I was guaranteed sane or not. | ||
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surprised in a good, "nicely done" way, not a "i didn't think you were capable of that" way. hush now ^^ | ||
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On December 03 2012 06:21 Blazinghand wrote: Wow all these haters hatin is that all you have to say? :x | ||
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On December 03 2012 07:37 Keirathi wrote: That you kept pushing the DP case even after he proved that you were wrong was just bad, not really a scum tell. But that's what got me interested into looking into you more. What convinced me you were scum wasn't that you were wrong, it was HOW you pushed your wrongness. it's this for me and hasn't been answered. | ||
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I know it's terribly minor but it at least showed he was attentive to what was going on in the thread. | ||
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On December 03 2012 07:59 DoYouHas wrote: Shooting VE thank you for giving me 30 seconds to change my check ^_^ | ||
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At least my proposed check was a good one ^_^ | ||
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wp austin. Setup does seem rather town-favoured. JH said he ran it through Foolishness and he proposed changes that JH went with, so I've no idea what Foolish was thinking there. Thanks to JH and cohosts for a nice game anyway. I like the idea of a closed setup but with basically normal roles, and two mason pairs was good for 'paranoia', but yeah scum needed at least a couple of roles. | ||
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On December 09 2012 04:28 Ace wrote: Too many bad players and nonsense going on in this setup. Thanks for hosting guys, but the first few days was just too much impossible bs to wade through. Marv I had more faith in you than what you showed here. Even you have to realize your claim was fucked up. When I was going to unvote you and you still kept being antagonistic I figured you didn't want to live. ETA: I really wish people would stop bussing their scum partners just because they can. One of the dumbest things you can do in Mafia game. ok. I didn't play a good game, but I don't have a lot to say other than that the way I claimed is the way I think/react, and as you haven't played games with me you don't understand that. As far as I was concerned the wagon on me was absolutely ludicrous and so there wasn't anything to argue about, so I claimed to tell people to fuck off. The thing to look at is that you were really the only one with a scumread on me, and everyone else fell on me like a pack of dominos. In hindsight it was even quite obvious that bugs was more frustrated/angry at how I was playing rather than thinking I was genuinely scum. Actually the whole game would have looked different if you hadn't manufactured a scumread on me out of nowhere. Obviously it's my bad for flipping out, but if you hadn't thought I was scum for whatever stupid reasons you did originally, none of that shit would ever have happened. | ||
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On December 10 2012 15:35 Blazinghand wrote: Whatever minor play issues I had this game, I certainly had fun and will take it as a learning experience-- perhaps I can become an even better player. right, I was apoplectic in QT that you made a case on your mason partner, but in the end that was only one thing and... Ace? was right that we'll look back on it and laugh. I don't think your play suffered from any other issues particularly and I agree with syllogism with regards to who we should be aiming any anger at. This is the primary reason I left my ranting in obsQT, the case was silly and it was what it was, but BH already knows this and there's nothing anyone can say to prevent it happening again or anything, that's for BH. Actually BH has been quite stoic in the face of the rage I've aimed at him the last couple of games + the exceedingly pointless criticisms here post-game. | ||
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i was of the mind for a while that town would have to flip BH for how the play went down. Obviously that went away but basically town needlessly complicating stuff for town = not good, is the basic idea. | ||
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On December 11 2012 01:10 austinmcc wrote: I guess I just didnt' feel confused. I'm not advocating it, but ... the mason claim was so instantaneous, so genuine, and backed up with logs the minute they were requested. There was no way you guys weren't masons. While the case on MrZ didn't fit that, oh well...it wasn't a big enough deal to worry about imo, and I was sitting there suspecting EVERYONE. like you said, this is coming from the guy who towned up his redcheck. Town has enough to worry about without adding extra complications (however small or large) where they are unnecessary. This is a niggle I have with your play in general, you overcomplicate sometimes which is fine for you because you're the one doing it, but for the rest of town it can have the result of obfuscating rather than clarifying. | ||
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On December 11 2012 01:18 Blazinghand wrote: SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH only because of a modkill though. That was the game that ghost had a redcheck on someone at lylo, decided to sit on it and lynch a townie instead, and town got saved by modkill. | ||
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