EPTPerson X saved person Y, when he could have easily let him die.
Person X is scum.
Person Y is innocent.
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MrZentor
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Person X saved person Y, when he could have easily let him die. Person X is scum. Person Y is innocent. | ||
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I seriously don't understand what you're trying to prove. BH saved DYH, while knowing that DYH was a vigil. If you're scum, instead of putting in an extra effort to SAVE a vigilante, wouldn't it be easier to pretend like you didn't see DYH's claim until TWO MINUTES after he claimed. That's all BH had to do to kill DYH. Wait two minutes. It makes absolutely no sense for BH to be scum. | ||
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MrZentor
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But it is extremely unlikely. So stop wasting your time until you have decent evidence against him. | ||
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MrZentor
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Show a game in which BH was mafia and played like he is now. Show me a game in which he, as scum, saved a claim vigilante when he could have let them die. (Or anything as insanely risky like that.) Show me a game in which BH as scum made a case and then instantly retracted it. Sure, BH's play this game isn't like his play as town in previous games, but it isn't like his scum play either. So your case on him proves nothing. + Show Spoiler + And I don't know who I want to lynch yet, because I don't come to rash conclusions before I get as much evidence as I can. i.e. It's best to wait at least 24 hours before deciding who you want to lynch. | ||
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MrZentor
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It's better than insisting that somebody who is basically confirmed town is scum. | ||
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On December 04 2012 05:00 DoYouHas wrote: Here is an interesting point that should be mentioned. In a situation where there are 3 townies on the chopping block (myself, marv, DP) mafia will almost always split their vote (every time in my experience). That means that there should be at least 1 mafia on me and on DP (and probably on marv, but that is less sure because of shiao and zealos being by themselves on others). The votelist for DP is the one that interests me the most, it had the longest time for the wagon to build, so should have had the best chance of drawing at least 1 scum vote onto it. DarthPunk (5)<---- Has been lynched I'm town. marv was town. I have a very good reason to believe BH is not scum. I have a townread on debears. That leaves Lazermonkey as the only person I think could be mafia on a list where I'm pretty sure there is a mafia. Look at the post where Lazer votes DP. + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2012 18:48 Lazermonkey wrote: Just woke up... I really don't get how you can read so much into the Ace vote TBH. It was a joke obviously And it was less then one hour from game starting so I he was hardly in any danger at all. The fact that you are even using this as an argument against me is mind boggling. Also, I see how you can say that I don't have any reads yet when it's quite clear that he have a scum read on ShiaoPi...While I think WBG post about me was weak, DP ''case'' is FAR worse. This post is taken heavily out side of context. I said this to show how stupid ShiaoPi's arguments against Xata were. So if anything I am taking a stance AGAINST ShiaoPi. While it is true I had a null read on Xata at the time of this post(still do) that is totaly and utterly irrelavant. I don't really see how me making null reads on some players is making me scum. And the funny thing is, you find that my argument for saying that they are null makes me even more scummy. What a fucked up logic is that? So it would be better for me to simply say that they are null without even an explanation? If some action from some could be considered scummy or townie and it all comes down to WIFOM to determ which one it is, don't you think that is a null tell? While I may not have phrased myself in an optimal way I don't get how you can say that: ''You did not read the post where Xata explained his post very carefully, but why would you make a pressure against him then?'' = ''shiao you are town and made what I perceive to be an error.'' Like WTF, there is a huge diference between theese two. While a) could be done by a really crappy town player it also can be motivated from scum PoV. And saying that there is a 50% chance for either of my estimations is bullcrap. It comes down to which of the explanations you think is more likely. He obviously either did a) or b) but it doesn't really matter unless he is a bad town player in which case we might have to reconsider. But Afaik ShiaoPi is quite experienced player, no? Several times in this post DP are taking things out of context and he missinterprets ALOT of stuff. He is trying to make me look far worse than I in fact. There isn't any reason for this for town. Also notice how close after WBGs post this came. While I'd say it's quite unlikely that scum team WBG and DP would make a push at the same time against me, I think it's perfectly resonable to say that DP saw WBGs post and thought there were a decent chance to cause a bandwagon on me. DP just rose immensley on my scum-o-meter. While I am still suspicious of ShiaoPi because he is yet to come back and give a satisfying answer I think DP is looking worse. ##Unvote ##Vote DarthPunk DP is voting Lazer because he doesn't like the number of null reads Lazer has been giving out, and he didn't like Lazer's given reasons for voting Shiaopi. Lazer is not wrong that DP didn't do a great job showing why Lazer's reasons for voting Shiaopi were bad. However, Lazer doesn't stop with just defending himself. Instead he goes right past that and OMGUS votes DP. Thoughts? Why am I town? :/ | ||
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MrZentor
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I thought my name was on that list... + Show Spoiler + Ignore me... | ||
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MrZentor
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I can't decide which of those I want to kill. But ShiaoPi is on the list and WBG wants to kills him, so why not? | ||
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MrZentor
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Obviously... | ||
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MrZentor
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Making these terrible posts is a conscious decision. There is no reason for him, a vet, to post like that as town. So, for actively hurting the town environment while fully aware of his actions, I will ##Vote: WBG. Also, WBG, I challenge you. I challenge you to either refute each of BH's points in his case or to admit to purposefully being detrimental to town. I challenge you to not say something useless like On December 04 2012 08:19 wherebugsgo wrote: cool, I was right. You're biased and bad. Let's move on. | ||
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On December 04 2012 23:57 sandroba wrote: Being detrimental to the town =/= wbg is scum. His emotional response to marv makes sense given the lack of knowledge of marv's alignment because it was the exact same response I had when reading through those pages. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2012 11:39 MrZentor wrote: WBG is a vet; he knows what kind of posting is beneficial for town and what is detrimental. Making these terrible posts is a conscious decision. There is no reason for him, a vet, to post like that as town. So, for actively hurting the town environment while fully aware of his actions, I will ##Vote: WBG. Also, WBG, I challenge you. I challenge you to either refute each of BH's points in his case or to admit to purposefully being detrimental to town. I challenge you to not say something useless like On December 05 2012 04:39 Xatalos wrote: After carefully reading through MrZentor's filter, I'm left with more questions than answers. The biggest thing is this: Here it looks like MrZentor has a town read on WBG - he's even willing to follow WBG's lead to lynch ShiaoPi. Two hours later, he's suddenly Mafia??? What the heck??? MrZentor seems to also have a very strong townread on BH. I pretty much agree with his arguments, although I wouldn't give them such heavy weight as MrZentor does (especially the weird case against MrZentor isn't that big of a towntell IMO). I'm puzzled more than anything by MrZentor, but I want to hear an explanation for that voteswitch from ShiaoPi to WBG right now. I also want to hear some more reasoning for his actions so far in the game and what this mysterious "list of five suspects" is. Yeah, I went back through WBG's and ShiaoPi's filters, and WBG's was far worse. What can I say? I'm fickle. The "list of five suspects" is what it sounds like. In other news, WBG failed my challenge. He's scum. | ||
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NEVERRRRR On December 01 2012 10:18 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: wherebugsgo | ||
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On December 05 2012 06:18 Keirathi wrote: @austin: You seem to be hung up on WBG fighting with marv. Did you go read Rockband? I believe I know marv as well as probably almost anyone on TL. If he gets in a fight in thread with someone, and thinks they are scum, he would be yelling about it up and down. The fact that he didn't call WBG scum even once says that marv thought WBG was town, and that they were just bashing egos against each other. Now, I certainly don't think marv's reads are infallible, but at the very least it gives me pause to voting WBG. Marv is quick to call someone scum who does something he thinks is scum motivated, even if he changes his mind later. Do you think, as an outside observer of the fight, you have better insight into WBG's motives than who he was fighting with? | ||
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MrZentor
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Scum buddies? | ||
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