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CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
November 21 2012 19:19 GMT
#861
Strong you are probably better off doing all those quotes into one post that you do at the end of reading the thread considering the size of this.

<3
Mafia smurf
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-21 19:21:32
November 21 2012 19:20 GMT
#862
Important Host Note:


Please if you feel that you have any chance of being elected party leader include the (3) party members to take along with you with your PM for the night actions. Even if you don't think you will be elected, you can include it cause, you never know. If the party leader doesn't chose (3) party members the party leader will take some punishment regardless of success or failure. The (3) party members will be chosen at random in this case.

This allows the party to be chosen for the elected party leader, even if they are not available at the time the hosts need the party members.

Reminder: This game follows a 47 hour combined day/night cycle with 1 hour no posting action resolution period.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 21 2012 19:21 GMT
#863
On November 21 2012 13:01 Z-BosoN wrote:
That being said, I'm thinking we should actually vote sandroba. I've heard he is a capable player and a few people have mentioned that he is easier to pin down when scum. We then impose that he gives us every single line of thought on why he's chosen the party members (trying to choose town of course), and play on based from the result of the mission and from the assumptions I've made earlier on. If he's scum, we should be able to catch him on these grounds.


So I'm not convinced "voting someone to get a read on them" makes sense.

For one thing, we should probably be able to get a read on the main candidates based on their platforms etc - they're already putting themselves out there more than most players, and giving us more material (or, if they're not that's pretty significant also).

But also - I think it's gonna be pretty important to win the minigames. Until we have done a few and (hopefully) know a little more about their implications, I don't think we want to risk losing them to get better reads on people.

also this has probably already been discussed to death on the pages following this quote so if this is obsolete, my b
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 21 2012 19:23 GMT
#864
On November 22 2012 04:12 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 12:57 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My town read is on TheChronicler. He's either new to the game or a longtime vet fucking with us. In the former case, a noob scum would not be proposing some shitty plan like that. In the latter, he was gauging reactions and hoping to get scum to bite. Also, not a scumplay.

It's not a very useful town read, though, because I don't want to vote for him precisely because his plan was terrible.


huh

like, how random is this? I mean, i can give or take the logic, but did you really need to explain your useless town read right then?


In his defense, he was responding to an equally useless question asking for a town read less than a day into the game. Oh wait, that's not a defense. Oh well...
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 21 2012 19:24 GMT
#865
On November 21 2012 13:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 13:06 goodkarma wrote:
...
Goodkarma for President:

As your leader, I will do my best to further the policy of choosing the most obvious townies as detailed above. Along those lines, I would elect to choose both sandroba and promethelax for my party. The third is still tentative, as the game has only been going for a short time.


Why are you pre-determining who to include in your party right now? Certainly you couldn't have THAT strong of a town read on the both of them.


this is silly. he could change his reads, obvy, but if he actually wants people to vote for him it only makes sense to tell them "these are some of my town reads" so then the voters can be like "oh man his townreads are great lets vote for him" or "oh man his townreads suck that person totally didn't look town when he said that."

I mean, it's a damn sight better than just asserting "my town reads are the shit bros"
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 21 2012 19:26 GMT
#866
On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:
@ iamp

Welcome! As distinguishable as you are, that's not the only thing we're looking for in a party leader. I'd prefer someone with a very strong track-record of accurate D1 town reads. You're definitely someone that can be read early and be a party candidate though.



@ Kei
Show nested quote +
You're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts.

Err... but you said...
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:

--Quote Pyramid Omitted--

I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through.

Do explain good sir.


ehrmagerd he was inconsistent wooooooooooooooow

this is a big deal guys (no it's not)

not feeling the hapa happenin right now
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 19:28 GMT
#867
snb I don't really like the fact that you're living 16 hours in the past
On November 22 2012 04:14 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 13:05 iamperfection wrote:
also why do we have to have the leader select all 3 wouldn't it be best for the town to put some input on the other team members?


I feel like this was already discussed to death (with thechronicler's terrible plan, among others); why bring it up again just then?

Oh the irony.

Anyway I'm back and catching up =]
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 21 2012 19:31 GMT
#868
On November 21 2012 13:25 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote:
On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Kei
You're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts.

Err... but you said...
On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:

--Quote Pyramid Omitted--

I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through.

Do explain good sir.

What is there to explain? Both of those things you bolded say the exact same thing :o


1) "I'm not going to vote marv unless I have a town read on him."
2) "I'm going to vote someone unless he's giving me a 'scummy vibe.'"

Those two statements mean very different things. The first expresses reservation - that you're not going to vote someone UNLESS you have a town read on them. The second expresses no hesitancy - that you're vote is determined unless marv shows you otherwise.



On November 21 2012 13:30 Hapahauli wrote:
@ GK

Ah that makes sense. I'm still don't care for such early D1 town reads, but that's just my own attitude and nothing to hold you accountable for.

@ Z-Bo
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 13:25 Z-BosoN wrote:
Oh-oh Kei. That's not something you just go ahead and say to sir. Hapa the interpretator. That guy is such a proser.


Ok ok I know I super-tunneled you that one game based on stupid wordings and such, but this one seems a lot more clear-cut no? Like those two statements do not mean the same thing at all.





THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT!
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 19:40 GMT
#869
@ Cavejohnson

While I appreciate the fact that you're trying to "think of the endgame" we don't know what an endgame will look like at all in this format. We don't know how many (if any at all) lynches we'll have. For all we know there is no such thing as lylo. Yet you are suggesting we get rid of people who give off a newb town vibe because they might be a problem later?
Seriously, our win con is defeating Lavos, with a secondary objective of killing scum. How will getting rid of a newb towny help town?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 21 2012 19:44 GMT
#870
Hey S&B what's your take on how Marv's acting so far?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 19:52 GMT
#871
Dieno I'm really happy to see you posting the way you are now. Please keep it up.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 19:56 GMT
#872
On November 21 2012 22:25 sandroba wrote:
I wont take clarity with me if I get elected. He smells funny.

This post has been begging for a follow up for a while now. Where is it?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
November 21 2012 20:00 GMT
#873
On November 22 2012 04:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Cavejohnson

While I appreciate the fact that you're trying to "think of the endgame" we don't know what an endgame will look like at all in this format. We don't know how many (if any at all) lynches we'll have. For all we know there is no such thing as lylo. Yet you are suggesting we get rid of people who give off a newb town vibe because they might be a problem later?
Seriously, our win con is defeating Lavos, with a secondary objective of killing scum. How will getting rid of a newb towny help town?


lylo still exists in these two forms:

Either when mafia could out number us
Or we don't have the tools to kill lavos

We don't know what it takes to kill lavos except I presume for firepower. Of course the success of the missions will also impact this. We don't want to have to fight lavos in the ocean palace for example because we failed too many.

I want the newbies to prove themselves like any other but that may not be possible when one false move could easily screw us up on either one of those conditions. This game will be so chaotic that one false move means a loss so we can't afford risks at any point in the game.
Mafia smurf
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 20:04 GMT
#874
Why will this game be so chaotic that no one is allowed to make a mistake? You lost me completely.
You say the only definite thing we need for Lavos (endgame, win condition) is firepower. But you think of newb townies as a liability, rather than an asset? Yes of course if they contribute more/better that will help, but do you really believe you're going about this the right way?

Lylo is lynch or lose. It MIGHT not apply to this game. You're talking about reaching a state where town cannot win, there is a difference.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 21 2012 20:06 GMT
#875
On November 22 2012 05:00 CaveJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 04:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Cavejohnson

While I appreciate the fact that you're trying to "think of the endgame" we don't know what an endgame will look like at all in this format. We don't know how many (if any at all) lynches we'll have. For all we know there is no such thing as lylo. Yet you are suggesting we get rid of people who give off a newb town vibe because they might be a problem later?
Seriously, our win con is defeating Lavos, with a secondary objective of killing scum. How will getting rid of a newb towny help town?


lylo still exists in these two forms:

Either when mafia could out number us
Or we don't have the tools to kill lavos

We don't know what it takes to kill lavos except I presume for firepower. Of course the success of the missions will also impact this. We don't want to have to fight lavos in the ocean palace for example because we failed too many.

I want the newbies to prove themselves like any other but that may not be possible when one false move could easily screw us up on either one of those conditions. This game will be so chaotic that one false move means a loss so we can't afford risks at any point in the game.

On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Setup Information

Mafia: Kill ALL town and have 1 mafia left alive
CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
November 21 2012 20:14 GMT
#876
On November 22 2012 05:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why will this game be so chaotic that no one is allowed to make a mistake? You lost me completely.
You say the only definite thing we need for Lavos (endgame, win condition) is firepower. But you think of newb townies as a liability, rather than an asset? Yes of course if they contribute more/better that will help, but do you really believe you're going about this the right way?

Lylo is lynch or lose. It MIGHT not apply to this game. You're talking about reaching a state where town cannot win, there is a difference.


Fail in one event the time line changes we become weaker and the events become harder - one mistake can cause that shift in power. Lets not forget people can send in their night actions at any point when they may not have all the information available to them causing even more issues down the road.

I'm probably approaching newbs the wrong way but hopefully they realise they need to really focus if they want to win in this game.
Mafia smurf
CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
November 21 2012 20:20 GMT
#877
On November 22 2012 05:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 05:00 CaveJohnson wrote:
On November 22 2012 04:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Cavejohnson

While I appreciate the fact that you're trying to "think of the endgame" we don't know what an endgame will look like at all in this format. We don't know how many (if any at all) lynches we'll have. For all we know there is no such thing as lylo. Yet you are suggesting we get rid of people who give off a newb town vibe because they might be a problem later?
Seriously, our win con is defeating Lavos, with a secondary objective of killing scum. How will getting rid of a newb towny help town?


lylo still exists in these two forms:

Either when mafia could out number us
Or we don't have the tools to kill lavos

We don't know what it takes to kill lavos except I presume for firepower. Of course the success of the missions will also impact this. We don't want to have to fight lavos in the ocean palace for example because we failed too many.

I want the newbies to prove themselves like any other but that may not be possible when one false move could easily screw us up on either one of those conditions. This game will be so chaotic that one false move means a loss so we can't afford risks at any point in the game.

Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Setup Information

Mafia: Kill ALL town and have 1 mafia left alive


Does anyone get a feeling of a scum mad hatter from that condition (We could also explore the possibility of an event killing everyone at once I guess)?

Also if scum outnumber town it generally leads to them killing all the town not always I'll admit but its a rule of thumb I'm going to stick with to keep some sanity.
Mafia smurf
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 20:23 GMT
#878
Okay, so walk me through how failing an event will be a newbie's fault. Especially if you know they're newbies.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 21 2012 20:23 GMT
#879
How does it give you the impression of a scum mad hatter? I'm not seeing how that condition makes it more likely.

As to your second point: SSB mafia with pikachu (or a kirby who eats a pikachu).
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 21 2012 20:25 GMT
#880
kush4masta you stealth voted sandroba, which isn't a big deal as you already voted in the thread, but it indicates that you have been around and yet haven't addressed my questions. Usually it's hard to keep you from posting, but in this game you haven't even begun playing? Why is that?
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