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On November 22 2012 09:53 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:22 Promethelax wrote:
You know catching up with this thread is a million times worse than I was hoping, remember how I said that I was toning down the amount which I am posting? Could you all do me a favour and consolidate too. Thanks.
After reading the last ~20 pages I have come to a conclusion as to who I want to vote. It isn't Sylo and it isn't Sand. Their abilities are, no doubt, incredible but I don't like the way Sand took over the thread early and no one challenged him. I feel that a mafia player would in fact have tried to take over. (Remember Matt's reed of Decundo in PP) as such I'll be voting away from the two of them and towards someone who I read as town right now and who is known for having good reads.
## Vote: Acro
Come on boys, lets do this right and make Sand have to fight for his nomination.
I'll be out again for a few hours. See ya'll soon. That's a clear misrepresentation of what happened. Many people were putting their names out there to be party leader and I came about with a different aproach and it got support based on the ideas in it. Mafia hardly ever goes against the consensus and stick their neck out there to oppose in that way. That's a shitty, if not mafia oriented, reason for opposing me. You even include syllo in it randomly and don't comment on why he isn't the choice.
I'm catching up, but writing as I read.
I have never played with either of you before, I have trouble reading you and while it is true that you gained much support on a good idea. One which you got from reading the OP more acuretly than anyone else (we all thought that we needed strong players on the team, you realized that all we needed was townie players) you are a smart guy and, from what I have read of you, I would bet that you would have made this same play as town or scum. The fact that there was not an obvious counter wagon after you makes me lean scummy on you just as an unopposed lynch on day 1 would give me a townie read on the player who was up for lynch.
I did not address Syllo because he did not seem to be a credible candidate to me at that point. I'm not going to vote Acro as he did not try to generate momentum from my vote on him and I will be voting somewhere else instead.
On November 21 2012 13:16 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 21 2012 12:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
Sharing is caring? Sharing is great when votes are made, It is early in the day and allowing everyone to continue to play without knowledge of each others town reads is probably for the best. No need for scum to get a chance to plant seeds of doubt on our town reads or to keep working on rowing themselves as townies if we have green reads on them right now. You'll know my town read when I am confidant enough in it to place a vote. I'd like to learn Acro's at the same time. Well that's an easy way to make sure your town reads don't look so suspicious, isn't it?
nah brah, it is how I play. I don't vote for a scum read until I think they are scum even if the thread as a whole disagrees (look at my d1 town vibes on muso in ACME).
I was about to support Kush as a townie. He talked to me pre game about his fear of the size of this game and the themey-ness of this game. He was truly concerned and did want a just Vanilla game. I would expect more posts from scum kush because he would want to match his meta.
My vote will be on Kita, the candidate I trust. The reasons I trust him 1) I am in his party and know that I am town. That leaves only three others in the party and I have a town read on all three. 2) I am very unhappy with how into Syllo/Sand this thread is. The lack of a real campaign away from theirs worries the shit out of me. Mafia would want to be leader or in the party and the only way that is confirmed is if one of them is mafia. Ergo ## vote: kitaman
I'm keeping up with the thread but doing my best to spam less as I have less to say. Trying to keep my posting short and sweet, this thread is hard enough to read without my help.
I'll be around for a bit. Any questions: shoot.
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GK:
1) I miss being called prox <3
2) Your proposed team is butt fuck bad. Including Sand makes voting you as bad an idea as voting Sand. If I was confidant that Sand was town I'd vote his ass over yours any day (no offense but he is a beast and you are one of the top newbs to come out of the games when I was new. But so are Keir and Hapa).
3) Oats isn't a town read, he is an 'excited to play mafia' read. He reminds me a lot of my first game where I posted all of the posts even though I was mafia and being quiet would have been smarter.
4) you called Djo a weak town read for you and said you couldn't see this team changing.
Sorry bud, not a chance you'll get my vote. I like you as a person but this election ain't for you.
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Oats: I read a ton of games and hadn't obsed any. The first game I in'd was the first one I inteded to obs but they needed one more player.
Djo: Acro has been saying things that I think before I think them. Ergo townie read.
Kier: I've been thinking of that as well (encryption could solve this problem  ) but the hell with it. I have town reads on everyone Kita plans on picking. I know I am town. I am very worried about Sand/Syllo. I was planning on voting away from them and won't vote for them even if Kita changes his party to exclude me.
Oats: my scum reads, or non-town reads really I'm betting on a three party system, are pretty minor (if I were Marv they'd be pink or something)
Hapa reads as non-town to me he has not been the assertive, pushy in my face townie I expect and I don't like it.
I will bet that at least one of Syllo/Sand is scum. I think I explained well enough earlier and I'm sticking with that. If you need clarification I can give you that.
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so Djo,I hear that you haven't looked at me yet. Give it a go, what do you think?
And yes, if Kush is telling the truth (which I think he is, one of them will flip) I think that Kush is town and we'll see how this goes. I have no comment until the flip though.
Syllo, glad to hear it. As such who would compose your party? Or who would not make the cut?
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GK: it seems to me that scum want to be elected leader (an assumption but ah well, I have to go with what I have) or at least be a party member, since there were only two candidates who seemed like they would take each other in thier parties I was deeply unhappy. If scum wants be leader (which I believe) than one of Sand or Syllo must be scum. Otherwise a strong candidate would have appeared to oppose them, since that had not appeared I assumed that mafia was content with what we were doing and I was not content with that.
As I said pre-game I am trying to change the way I play. I can't commit the time I have in the past and I am trying to remain an active town asset despite that. If you don't trust me yet that is fine, I'm playing differently than I ever have before and, for some reason people still think I'm a great scum player, you'll realize that I'm town eventually. My activity will always be in spurts.
Kita may not be the best leader but he is better than Syllo/Sand (though I would vote Syllo over sand) and I hate the party you chose. I think that Kita has a chance to be party leader and has a better chance of being town than Sand or Syllo. His town reads also agree with mine.
Syllo: please answer my earlier questions.
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On November 22 2012 16:27 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 16:11 Promethelax wrote:
GK: it seems to me that scum want to be elected leader (an assumption but ah well, I have to go with what I have) or at least be a party member, since there were only two candidates who seemed like they would take each other in thier parties I was deeply unhappy. If scum wants be leader (which I believe) than one of Sand or Syllo must be scum. Otherwise a strong candidate would have appeared to oppose them, since that had not appeared I assumed that mafia was content with what we were doing and I was not content with that.
As I said pre-game I am trying to change the way I play. I can't commit the time I have in the past and I am trying to remain an active town asset despite that. If you don't trust me yet that is fine, I'm playing differently than I ever have before and, for some reason people still think I'm a great scum player, you'll realize that I'm town eventually. My activity will always be in spurts.
Kita may not be the best leader but he is better than Syllo/Sand (though I would vote Syllo over sand) and I hate the party you chose. I think that Kita has a chance to be party leader and has a better chance of being town than Sand or Syllo. His town reads also agree with mine.
Syllo: please answer my earlier questions. I understand your concerns about a scum party leader winning day one, but I still don't see any reason why Kita is any less likely to fit that bill. He gained zero momentum until now, and I would speculate that from a scum perspective that is because scum would not vote their candidate without some support jumping onto it. Speculation to be sure, but I don't see any reason why he's less likely to be scum than syllo/sand. Also keep in mind that sand upfront gave syllo "veto powers." Imagine how unnecessary (and ridiculous) a move that would be from a scum perspective, when sand had at that point gained considerable momentum in his campaign and had nothing to gain as scum for making such a statement.
Have you read their games? They are each others' foils. If Syllo had vouched for Sand, Sand 100% would have won the election. Explain the no scum motivation.
anyways I'm off to sleep. See you all tomorrow in ~13 hours, best of luck guys.
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Hapa, you will not get my vote today. You come to late to change this election and I don't like that you push us away from Sand/Syllo but don't mention Kita except as a 'joke'
I agree with you that we should not be voting Sand based on his unopposed candidacy and I didn't want to vote Syllo since he seemed intent on bringing Sand with him on the mission. I still prefer Syllo over Sand and will vote him if things get tight, as it is though I am more comfortable with Kita than either of them, his town reads are still strong to me even though he is not as townine in my mind as any of the three he chose to take with him.
In my catching up I saw Kita post something asking why I was voting him if I didn't think he was the best leader. I thought I had made this clear, he was the best leader with a chance of success. If that wasn't clear my apologies, my intention was to communicate that Kita was the least of the evils which were available to me.
I am sending in my night action(s) now. I will be in the thread for another hour.
Syllo: I believe that it is now time for you to announce the members of your team and the reasons for their inclusion. You probably will win this election and I would like to hear your reasons for their inclusion in your team, you may not be able to give us those reads next day since you may be killed by scum/3party. I don't want to block up the thread with a lot of fluf but I think that your reasons would be a worthwhile inclusion that might protect townies from other townies at a later date.
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bleh, Clarity why don't you like GK? And why Phagga over him?
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On November 23 2012 05:46 marvellosity wrote:
Prome, why do you tell us that you're sending in your night actions? :s
it matters.
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you'll know when you need to know. It matters to me that I said what i said. It wasn't an accident.
marv, how is your read on me going? I know you have a somewhat scummy read on me even though you haven't said it. why haven't you said it and what do you think?
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On November 23 2012 05:49 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 05:46 Promethelax wrote:
bleh, Clarity why don't you like GK? And why Phagga over him? I've had a townread on phagga, but not gk. I don't think hapa's reasons for a townread are valid, although I've obviously not played with gk before and hapa's reasons are somewhat meta.
Why do you have a townread on Phagga though, and why not on GK? What is it about Gk that seems scum to you and what is it about Phagga in particular that seems town to you?
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On November 23 2012 05:51 marvellosity wrote:
i have said it.
No, you said you are 'somewhat suspicious' of me. Well, why? I know I'm not playing like I have in the past and I'm doing my best to keep that up. I think I have had good thoughts thought and contributed more to discussion than many even with a very low presence.
What answer did you want from me about my Night Actions? What do you garner from what I have said?
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Marv: why aren't you being Marv?
Clarity: I'm asking you why you see Phagga as more town than GK, I get having GK null (my read on him is greenish but base don his meta more than anything else), I don't get why you, as opposed to Marv, would have a town read on him.
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On November 23 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 05:56 Promethelax wrote:
Marv: why aren't you being Marv?
Clarity: I'm asking you why you see Phagga as more town than GK, I get having GK null (my read on him is greenish but base don his meta more than anything else), I don't get why you, as opposed to Marv, would have a town read on him.
I have no idea what marvs stance on phagga is or was, but how does that matter? Marv already explained my main reason so he gives me no choice but to appear to sheep him. Double bastard.
I was mostly poking fun at marv for answering my question which was directed at you.
So, your reason for Phagga=town is that he responded to Marv in a way you can't see mafia playing? So you read marv as non-mafia?
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On November 23 2012 06:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 05:56 Promethelax wrote:
Marv: why aren't you being Marv?
Clarity: I'm asking you why you see Phagga as more town than GK, I get having GK null (my read on him is greenish but base don his meta more than anything else), I don't get why you, as opposed to Marv, would have a town read on him.
anyone could possibly have a townread on phagga for the reason I mentioned. I find you suspicious because you first voted Acro while dismissing sand and not mentioning syllo. When later pressed you said that syllo wasn't a main candidate at the time, but you then sidestepped once again addressing his candidacy with the explanation that "you didn't like how much the thread was into sand/syllo". Someone being a popular vote does not make them a bad candidate, and it doesn't chime with how you said syllogism wasn't a serious candidate before. I admit that part of my 'off' read on you may be because you're trying to change up your style of posting; that gave me an erroneous read on Z-bo last game too.
Syllo and Sand were one in the same. Both appeared to me to be taking each other with them into their teams. When they were the only two candidates this screamed that at least one was scum. I don't get how you don't read it that way. it seems obvious and you are better than I am at this game. Explain to me why I am wrong in the read that one of them must be mafia based on the way the thread went early d1. Honestly I didn't differentiate much between Sand and Syllo which is why Syllo didn't seem like a real candidate early ( he was behind Sand in votes and they were, for all intents and purposes, the same candidate).
Fair enough. I don't expect huge town reads from people who have played with me before right now. I want you to make reads and stick with them though. Don't give me this apologetic bullshit. Play your game Marv and play it right. u scum bro?
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Maybe I wasn't clear. I do think that Phagga is town, I just didn't see any reasoning from Clarity and I hate no reasoning. I wanted to get it from him and not from marv but that didn't happen. Nothing I can do about it.
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On November 23 2012 06:06 marvellosity wrote:
What apologetic bullshit? What are you talking about?
It's certainly possible sandroba could be mafia, but I doubt syllogism is. But why does one of them 'have to be'?
Also I take a somewhat perverse pleasure that people like you and Kei don't know how to read me accurately still. Although it'd be easier if you simply found me town, of course.
the "oh maybe I'm reading you wrong because you are trying to post differently" you don't have confidence in your read there which is something I expect from you.
one of them has to be mafia because if neither of them was the mafia play d1 was useless and without goal. I've said this before but assuming that mafia wanted to be in the party one of Syllo/Sand is 100% mafia. The only way this is not true is if mafia did not want to be in d1 party.
Sorry bro, I read you as scum right now; we'll see if I'm still bad or if maybe I can read you now.
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On November 23 2012 06:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Prome, if marv is scum, and one of the syllo/sand is scum, does that mean syllo is scum? Because the way you're saying it, why would marv be backing syllo if sand is scum?
why would Marv choose a candidate and not push him? marv was like the first dude on Syllo, counter wagon allowed not all scum to be on one wagon and Syllo seemed like he was taking Sand along for the quest. Either one is a success for mafia.
Not at all saying this is how that went down but there are good reasons fro marv to do this.
Marv, sorry buddy, maybe I'm just terrible. Prove your townieness in that case. You haven't done it yet and are playing way differently than I expected a town marv to behave. You are playing without your usual assertions and y\there are a few things you have said which just rubbed me the wrong way. Not in the lovely Marv way you usually rub me.
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On November 23 2012 06:21 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:12 Promethelax wrote:On November 23 2012 06:06 marvellosity wrote:
What apologetic bullshit? What are you talking about?
It's certainly possible sandroba could be mafia, but I doubt syllogism is. But why does one of them 'have to be'?
Also I take a somewhat perverse pleasure that people like you and Kei don't know how to read me accurately still. Although it'd be easier if you simply found me town, of course. the "oh maybe I'm reading you wrong because you are trying to post differently" you don't have confidence in your read there which is something I expect from you. one of them has to be mafia because if neither of them was the mafia play d1 was useless and without goal. I've said this before but assuming that mafia wanted to be in the party one of Syllo/Sand is 100% mafia. The only way this is not true is if mafia did not want to be in d1 party. Sorry bro, I read you as scum right now; we'll see if I'm still bad or if maybe I can read you now. Mafia have been ditched in elections before today. If both Sandro and Syllo are town, then mafia never stood a chance in this election in any case. Biding their time and waiting till after they can kill off some of the more influential town players seems like a decent move in that case. Or maybe they have some fiendish ability they can use to sabotage a mission regardless of whether there's a scum in it. It'd be super powerful, but god knows what's in this game.
I believe a mafia player would have created a campaign. They could not have known that Sand and Syllo would own the fuck out of this election. Unless they did not want to be in the party which, as you state there could be reasons for. However it is easier for me, and makes more sense according to Occam, that scum wanted to be in the party.
Anyways, its mah birthday and I'm going out to dinner with my folks and my young lady. I'll be back eventually. I hope the quest goes well, gl guys.
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Hey all, just checked the day post and this page, since the mission was successful and I'm pretty sure one or the other of Sand/Syllo is scum Vote ## Sand, mission success=Town Syllo (According to Ockham's laser)
I'm here and catching up (a million posts for me to read...). I'm all old and shit now.
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