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On November 29 2012 07:44 Clarity_nl wrote: Phagga are you saying that any ability that is used on you, you can use afterwards? Phagga claiming Golem? I just had to fight that bugger in the game, he was tough. I lost. Got thrown in jail. | ||
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Keep in mind, that Keirathi also claimed a low influence value. Also, for those doing the bookkeeping, I took 75 damage. | ||
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On November 29 2012 11:55 Promethelax wrote: my giant case. Read it. Tell me your thinks about it. My thoughts: your giant case could use spoiler tags. It also won't change my vote. I'll bother figuring out GK for myself tomorrow. | ||
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I should probably leave this until postgame, but don't try to blame the hosts for this. They made it very clear what would happen if potential party leaders derp it up. On November 22 2012 04:20 Mementoss wrote: Important Host Note: Please if you feel that you have any chance of being elected party leader include the (3) party members to take along with you with your PM for the night actions. Even if you don't think you will be elected, you can include it cause, you never know. If the party leader doesn't chose (3) party members the party leader will take some punishment regardless of success or failure. The (3) party members will be chosen at random in this case. This allows the party to be chosen for the elected party leader, even if they are not available at the time the hosts need the party members. Reminder: This game follows a 47 hour combined day/night cycle with 1 hour no posting action resolution period. | ||
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So, risk, given GK's claim, that makes the mason chat yours. Why did you invite GK? | ||
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On November 29 2012 15:09 goodkarma wrote: Well, I'm done for today I'll check back tomorrow. Repeating your same arguements and me repeating what I've already said in response over and over isn't going to get us anywhere. There's a few things you could do to validate my claim.: 1) I already claimed my target in Mason QT. Wait until tomorrow to see if my claim checks out. 2) Bring me along in a party with three "confirmed town." If you can fail a mission and still get a lynch, clearly the consequences aren't that terribad... And what's more, I'm town so you won't even have to worry about that in the first place... 3) Continue to angrily OMGUS me, waste vigi shots and/or a lynch, and be down one more town. Having a claim that is verifiable, this is a very stupid option. Point 1: your vigi claim is neither here nor there. Sandro's flip proves scum has role-based KP powers. That means scum could equally well claim a vig hit. Especially on a dubious target like Drazerk. You saying scum has no reason to hit Drazerk? I beg to differ. SnB+me really really really wanted Drazerk dead in Caller game. Now that may have been a bit of a personal vendetta, but Drazerk has proven to be OP in themed games regardless of his alignment. He acts like a complete idiot (he isn't one, just acts that way) and plays the game as if it is his personal playground. As scum, the motivation to kill him is pretty much the same as town's: he is thoroughly unpredictable and that can be pretty scary. Point 2: I don't know what you're using to support this conclusion. We had 2 party selections before the lynch. We succeeded in one and failed the other. We now have a "hidden lynch". It makes me suspect effects like pardoner and doublevoters are in the game, and these effects might have been outted explicitly in a votecount, but not in its current format. I would NOT conclude that we get a lynch regardless. Other than the possibility for lynch-tampering mechanics I fail to see the problem of the lack of a votecount. Sure, it's a bit of a hassle, but as long as everybody has to vote in the voting thread, we can all keep tabs on what's happening. So... taking GK along on a party and running the risk of a failed party (note that I still have not delved into his filter, so the only info I have to go on is my null read from D2 and my rough impressions as I was reading the thread since then)? Bad idea. Same as taking me along D3 was a bad idea. I honestly have no clue what my HSM is. Greymist left the possibility open that I count for scum. The "I count for 0"-possibility was also left open. I said not to take me because we don't know what it takes to succeed at an event and I want town to succeed. With Keirathi (low success modifier) and me (potentially 0 or negative success modifier) both on the party, it is possible that GK is town and just shit-outta-luck, but I see no reason to take him on another party and possibly have that one fail as well. @GK: I am still going to go through your filter, but I don't recall ever bumping on something you wrote and thinking "damn, GK is town", while there have been plenty of red flags. Does that point directly to scum? No. However, it definitely does not point to town. Step it up. When 3rd party players are looking more townie than you, you're either doing it wrong or are scum. Prove to us it's the former rather than the latter. | ||
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Anybody want to own up to dealing damage to me? I really doubt it was scum: they know I'm not one of them, so have no reason to mistrust my survivor claim and that removes me from their wincon. Scum shots on me are wasted shots. That leaves town or someone who needs me dead. If it's town, just tell me, I won't be mad. Otherwise I will assume someone needs me dead and take precautions tomorrow night. I have something that sounds like it could be a paranoid gunman ability. I think it'll be fun. Want to play chicken with me, mr X? @Kita, did you take any damage? I promise I didn't shoot you. | ||
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On November 29 2012 22:10 risk.nuke wrote: And get real. Karma being on this party tells you nothing about his alignment because regardless of if he is scum or town the mission would fail. It's riddiculous how you (acro and prom) hold it against him as if there was minor chance he could have effected the outcome. Do you even read my posts? I say exactly that... You also STILL haven't answered any of my questions. You say 1 of the questions I ask is stupid and use that as a reason to ignore everything else. Go read it and answer it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [earlier postº [QUOTE] + On November 29 2012 00:44 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 21:40 risk.nuke wrote: I don't know what you are talking about Acro. As for Oats, He made a tunnelcase on clarity and when it didn't work he tried the yell higher approach. I also didn't like that he voted toad who's notoriously difficult to read but that is a lesser concern. My main problem with oats is he hasn't really done anything in actual terms to distinguish himself as town while he's playing one of the easier ways to play as scum. Furthermore I get the feeling of two sides of him. One calm and considerate and one yell as high as you can side. Right now I don't have an abundant of trust for syllogism and sandroba wants to send oats. I have townreads goodkarma and Djodref. Hrmmm. What was your town read of GK based on at this point? In fact, explain Djodref as well. So far, you have managed to say you didn't have a town read on Oats (which I agreed with at the time, so I didn't think too much into it, but suspicious minds would say you were trying to manipulate town off the party)... and you didn't trust Syllo, without any further explanation. You then throw a seemingly random town read on GK out there. That is what I meant with trust, btw. Your usual meta is to be aggressive and angry at everybody. Your friendliness towards GK feels strange. This is how you justify it a couple of hours later: On November 23 2012 00:45 risk.nuke wrote: I like how he post. I feel I can follow his thoughts. I feel I need something more to justify this weak-ass vote on a weak-ass candidate. I am not understanding your thought process this game, which is somewhat unusual, because you're usually far more transparent. Then comes the whole Sandroba ordeal. There are two ways of reading this: a townie who think Sandroba might be scum, but isn't sure... and scum waiting for Sandro to give him any reasonable opportunity to not bus his scumbuddy. Not much more to say on this issue. However, this is interesting: On November 24 2012 05:01 risk.nuke wrote: <snip> Chronicler I didn't like his initial plan in the terms of that I didn't agree with it. On the other hand "IF" he is town I don't feel the plan was beneficial for the mafiateam either so from that perspective I can see what he was going for. A lot of people make up their own plans because they like the sense of leadership. I don't think his candidacy plan is alignment revealing. I especially liked this post (clicky) from him, even more so in hindsight of syllos sucess. I am slightly leaning town on him. Post in question: On November 22 2012 03:42 TheChronicler wrote: I'm going to place my vote on syllo. Cave seems to be pushing syllo as someone who can't be elected because he's "taken himself out" when he's a very viable candidate. I'm driving to California, and won't be back in the thread for a good 12 hours. I will try to keep up with the thread on my phone, though. Just don't expect your questions to be answered until I get to my parents' place tonight. This was one of the posts that set alarm bells off in my mind (and I believe some other players' minds too). I am thus completely and utterly confused: why did this give you a town read on him? How the hell do you go from "Chronicler provides a bad excuse to drop his plan and sheep the majority" to "town read"? And here we have some more buttfuck terrible reasoning: On November 24 2012 05:20 risk.nuke wrote: We may not know for sure syllos alignment but as long as occams razor says syllo is town then that speaks in chronicles favor. If my vote on sandroba is useless, is that why you're so attracted to it? Birds of a feather flock. TC voted for Syllo when Syllo was building momentum and everybody else was losing it. You are a good player. You KNOW there would be scum on a wagon like that. Why is TC's complete throwaway reason a town tell? There's some other incongruencies: On November 24 2012 20:43 risk.nuke wrote: Scummy post from a scummy player. <snip> Pretty much the first mention of Kitaman in the game. While I don't think Kita's case was particularly strong and risk is justified in ridiculing it, I am surprised about him asserting that Kita is "scummy". This feels a lot like an OMGUS to just discredit the case off the bat. A case being wrong/bad doesn't make the poster scummy, it makes him wrong/bad. We never actually get to know why Kita was "scummy". What had Kita done at the time? In fact, for someone claiming a scum read on Kita, there is remarkably little interaction between the two. There is no explanation of the read, no attempt to learn more about Kita, nothing. Risk, why did you think Kita was scum? Do you still think so? Why? Further questions: Why did you want to be party leader on D3? I understand the "party was bad" reasoning, but regardless of alignment, you have enough brains to know you had 0 town cred and would never ever get elected in a million years. The decision to try to run just seems really really strange. I can think of a "desperate scum" motivation though. And given that scum was in a pretty bad shape after D1 and D2, desperation is a decent guess of the scum state of mind at that point. Your reason for not wanting to take Dieno along sounds incredibly forced. You honestly expect us to believe you thought that Dieno's HP would play a bigger role than the fact that he is about as close to confirmed town as we can get without flips? I know you have already been asked this by someone (Djodref I believe), but your answers were thoroughly unsatisfactory. Try again. Given your reluctance to read, I will compile this post in bite-size gulps for you: 1. Why did you have a town read on GK during d1? 2. Please explain how the post you linked from TC gave you a town read on him? 3. Are you maintaining that Kita posting a trolly campaign made him scum in your mind? 4. Why did you want to be party leader D3? Why did you think this would be constructive? | ||
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For those who haven't figured it out yet: derping is just plain stupid as town, but makes sense as scum: a random party means you wash your hands from any responsibility for the composition of the party and a decent chance of it failing (better than if you're forced to take people everybody thinks are townies anyway). Now given Dieno's playstyle I think it was a 1-time derp. I cannot imagine a townie didn't learn his lesson from that debacle, so if we still think Dieno might get Masamune, lets vote him in. | ||
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On November 30 2012 00:09 syllogism wrote: Some things I learned while in the mason QT He says he is Gato and he claims this in the first post of the QT. The QT flavor says the tent has a crystal ball. He has only recruited people who he thinks are town, although he also claims there was some mutual distrust between GK and him until some undisclosed point. He claims he thought GK might have roleblocked due to his fearsome mason recruiting ability. He says he recruited me to get me interested in the game or something. He says he can attack people in the QT, but apparently thinks it's better to invite people who he considers town rather than people who might be mafia. Hrmmm. I'm not sure how Gato having a mason chat makes any sense at all. So far the abilities claimed and the ones confirmed at least make some sense with regards to their character. On the other hand, Gato is a really weird fakeclaim, because he could have figured that bit out for himself. It is also a particularly weird use of the mason chat. Being able to attack people in the QT and then selecting town reads is... well... I think you got recruited to a cult. Have fun. | ||
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On November 30 2012 00:19 iamperfection wrote: what time period would we be in next jump? If this is the bit where Lavos crashes and leaves us with a time gate, the next step is Antiquity. However, we have skipped quite a bit of the game (the whole fight with Magus). We might skip antiquity and go straight to the future to get us a time machine. | ||
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Also, I have no idea what risk is at the moment. - A cult leader (3P) makes sense. His choices seem strange, though. Why pick a high profile, high knowledge player like Syllo if your true intention is to sacrifice them to Cthulhu (or Lavos)? - A scum makes sense. He has no need to include his scumbuddies in this QT, because he already has a QT with them. The main question I have here is whether this is feasible from a balance point of view and what the ultimate purpose of such a QT would be? Can he damage everybody in there or something? - A town has some justification. He has two things he can do with his mason: communicate with fellow townies, or recruit and damage scum. He picked the former. The problem is that I feel the latter is a far more powerful option. Also, if Syllo is to be believed, his behaviour in the QT has been beyond peculiar. Also, his reason for picking Dieno makes no sense, because Dieno has already told us who he is. What was risk expecting Dieno to talk about "in secret"? Especially as the QT isn't modconfirmed townies. @Dienosore and GK: do you find Syllo accurately represented earlier convos in the QT? | ||
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