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On November 21 2012 14:08 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 14:05 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 13:51 Hapahauli wrote:On November 21 2012 13:31 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 13:25 Hapahauli wrote:
1) "I'm not going to vote marv unless I have a town read on him."
2) "I'm going to vote someone unless he's giving me a 'scummy vibe.'"
Those two statements mean very different things. The first expresses reservation - that you're not going to vote someone UNLESS you have a town read on them. The second expresses no hesitancy - that you're vote is determined unless marv shows you otherwise. Okay, I guess I see what you're getting at. Just poor wording on my part, I guess. But really, there is no "neutral" ground for me when it comes to marv. Either I believe that he is town, or he is giving off scummy vibes that give me pause. I still don't understand this. This implies that you would never be unsure about your read on marv - on D1 of all days. Part of me has a really hard time believing that this is the same Kei as in GSL III - the one who was uber reluctant and helpless on D1 to make a read on anyone in the game. It doesn't imply that I would never be unsure of my read on marv at all. I'm much more likely to be paranoid towards marv when he says something fishy (aka 'scummy vibes') than I am for someone like kush, because I know town kush can say really stupid things (no offense kush <3). And, if you remember, day 1 in GSL 3 was a nightmare for me IRL. I had a ton of family shit going on, and I was playing 90% of the game from my phone, which meant I wasn't able to go filter diving, or even devote very much time to the game. I'm not averse to making comfortable day 1 reads, but I generally make them really conservatively. Conservative reads + no time to play meant I was useless. Oh you're totes right on GSL III - completely forgot. Well I still don't understand the marv thing, but I don't think it makes you scummy. And that is my cue to hit the sack - gnite!
hapa still not happening for me
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On November 21 2012 14:27 Dienosore wrote:Look at it this way: I have no idea who any of you are, and none of you know me. Therefore, I can't abuse any preconceived notions or reads you have on me because they just dont exist. If I'm elected the leader, I promise to publicly consider every move before it happens. I will try to do so in such a manner that hopefully leaves no sour taste in anyones mouth. + Show Spoiler +campaign poster lol
wow this guy
I just don't know what to make of this
I mean I guess iamperfection is right, what noobly scum player would do this? But... this just makes no sense so hard.
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On November 21 2012 17:09 Toadesstern wrote:
This Keirathi guy is mafia.
Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far.
There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on.
this.... feels pretty silly to me
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On November 22 2012 07:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
snb, I beg you, just read the whole thread and then join us in current discussion, rather than 12-hour-ago-discussion
oh, I just noticed it.
okay, I guess I can do that.
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On November 22 2012 01:11 kushm4sta wrote:
I actually don't care at all who is elected leader. I just said that shit before about making the scummiest leader because I wanted to contribute something unique.
okay i know i said i would stop doing this
but i am actually laughing out loud right now
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On November 22 2012 02:45 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:39 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:38 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:37 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:32 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote:
*colours Cave in orange* Can I have a legend for your color scheme? orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain". Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too. Easy target != wrong Kill the easy targets before end game or you lose its simple game logic. Trying to go around that on day 1 is idiotic and foolish and you should know better. obviously you misunderstand what I say, but do carry on. Easy target as in he's new and fluffy. Technically you're an easy target too, but I still think you're scum. The new and fluffy will have to die as well. We don't need complications in the end game. Excellent, more wanting to kill people for reasons that aren't that they are scum. New and fluffy != scum (to use your construction) and we want to kill scum, dear. Anything else? No point killing scum if you can't kill Lavos What's that got to do with being new and fluffy? New and fluffy are harder to read and likely to make mistakes. If they prove themselves to be town and competent somehow: Wonderful. However if they fail to do that they need to go down before the end game. So far I don't ever see the dinosaur changing and so he's on my needs to die list. Before you call me an easy target again I am including myself in the needs to die before end game list since I'm smurfing.
fuck
i was really happy that i was gonna get to play a themed game without drazerk in it
but no
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On November 22 2012 07:57 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 07:54 strongandbig wrote:On November 22 2012 02:45 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:39 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:38 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:37 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:32 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:
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orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain".
Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too. Easy target != wrong Kill the easy targets before end game or you lose its simple game logic. Trying to go around that on day 1 is idiotic and foolish and you should know better. obviously you misunderstand what I say, but do carry on. Easy target as in he's new and fluffy. Technically you're an easy target too, but I still think you're scum. The new and fluffy will have to die as well. We don't need complications in the end game. Excellent, more wanting to kill people for reasons that aren't that they are scum. New and fluffy != scum (to use your construction) and we want to kill scum, dear. Anything else? No point killing scum if you can't kill Lavos What's that got to do with being new and fluffy? New and fluffy are harder to read and likely to make mistakes. If they prove themselves to be town and competent somehow: Wonderful. However if they fail to do that they need to go down before the end game. So far I don't ever see the dinosaur changing and so he's on my needs to die list. Before you call me an easy target again I am including myself in the needs to die before end game list since I'm smurfing. fuck i was really happy that i was gonna get to play a themed game without drazerk in it but no Great minds think alike?
yeah I got to your post a couple minutes after I posted that
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Hokay so
I just finished reading this massive thread
I also have yet to vote.
I am thus a swing voter and demand pandering.
As far as I can tell, there are three "real" campaigns (real meaning the candidate actually intends to get elected) - Sandroba, Syllogism, and Toad.
All three campaigns are based around the fundamental premise "i'm a vet, i'm town, i have good reads, and i'm self confident enough to take responsibility for my actions."
Unless I've missed something, that's pretty much 100% of syllogism's campaign.
Sandroba has his "get some noobs semi confirmed" thing
Toad says he'll talk a lot
Out of those, I gotta say Sandroba's got the lead on talking points, so I have questions for the other two:
Syllogism, it's been a pretty long time since you started your campaign. You said you weren't going to lock yourself in to your party or whatever early, but do you have anything more for us by now? Or is it 100% that you're running because you know you're town and you're still not sure of Sandroba?
Toad, why do you need to be the party leader to do that stuff you were saying you would do about getting people to talk about reads, and putting yourself under scrutiny so we get a better read on you? Shouldn't you be doing all that anyway, and why is it a campaign point?
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On November 22 2012 04:44 Toadesstern wrote:
Hey S&B what's your take on how Marv's acting so far?
oh also I forgot to answer this
I liked his takedown of cave johnson
I also think marv is way more egotistical as scum than he is as town, it's something about the "bwahahaha fools i'll kill you all" mentality. so the fact that he's not running for king of daventry makes me think he's probably town.
Why do you ask about marv specifically? why ask me?
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holy shit
this thread
Anyone interested in a late switch to Marv? I've got a pretty strong town read on him right now, and I can't say that I like Syllo's election platform.
marv if you were magically blasted into being a serious candidate would you tell people your picks so they can evaluate whether they agree with your reads or would you do a syllo and keep them secret?
I'm also a little T_T that no one has talked any more about platforms/ideas for "party composition themes" like Sandro had, I do think having been in a successful party is a statistical indicator of townieness and the idea of spreading that out makes sense.
That said, I'm not voting for Sandroba until he actually takes Syllo's case a little bit more seriously - seems like it's a reason people are dropping off his campaign wagon but he really has barely even mentioned it. there's some pretty srs reasoning there.
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im going to completely ignore drazerk. im trying something new out since nothing else seems to have worked in the past.
i had a dream last night where i found out that cavejohnson was actually a smurf run by a friend of mine from college (who doesn't play mafia at all) and then I felt terrible for accusing him of being drazerk.
True story
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On November 23 2012 05:26 Hapahauli wrote:@ MarvWho are you currently supporting? I've seen you tear down a bunch of campaigns, but you've proposed no alternative yourself. @ Cave JohnsonShow nested quote +On November 23 2012 05:12 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 23 2012 04:58 Hapahauli wrote:
yaaaaay another sheeper.
Well I hope that Syllo is town for our sake I'm just taking the enemy of my enemy approach with this election. Might be worth doing the same for consolidation Yes let's sheep a guy without thinking about his alignment because we think the other guy is scum. Nevermind making a read on the guy we're voting, let's just consolidate. Someone needs to shoot/attack/kill/whatever this guy.
marv was like one of the first people to vote syllogism.
when even I am following the thread closer than you are, you have a problem
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voting options kinda lame atm
not like it matters who i vote for, but whatever every vote counts DEMOCRACY FUCK YEAH
I still don't agree with Syllo's decision not to tell people who his party members are. I guess it's possible that would make it easier for scum to fuck with shit, but imo it's worth running that risk, if him telling the town who he would pick enables the town to make a more informed decision / give feedback on his townreads, and thus be more likely to get a team of townies.
then there's Sandro, I don't like how he pretty much brushed off Syllo's evaluation of his alignment
then there's this last-minute campaign by hapa. there is a bunch of stuff I don't like in hapa's filter - he has long serieses of posts really digging in on things that are completely unimportant, and seems kinda hypocritical in a way that makes me doubt his alignment (example:
On November 21 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:51 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:On November 21 2012 11:49 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
The more I think about this, the more I like Sandro's line of thinking. Our ideal party leader in this scenario is a skilled player with a very distinguishable town/scum meta. From what I've heard about Sandro's play in the thread so far, it fits the bill rather well. That was a quick flip-flop read.... Your point is? It's not like I'm making a read - we're still almost entirely in setup speculation no? It's just a super weird change of opinion from "You're suspicious for even suggesting that." to "Okay, I actually like that idea, let's do it" Ok, but again, your point is? Do you disagree with me or something? If so, speak up. Otherwise, these random passive accusations are pointless and stupid.
then later
On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:@ iampWelcome! As distinguishable as you are, that's not the only thing we're looking for in a party leader. I'd prefer someone with a very strong track-record of accurate D1 town reads. You're definitely someone that can be read early and be a party candidate though.
@ KeiShow nested quote +You're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts. Err... but you said... Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:
--Quote Pyramid Omitted--
I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through. Do explain good sir.
/example)
Out of the people who have votes, that leaves me with Kitaman. I have about the same level of town read on him as Syllogism - mostly based on my gut and the fact that if there is a scum candidate, I think it's more likely to be Sandroba or Hapahauli - and I also think his team seems mostly town (although I don't have a read one way or the other on prome).
so ##vote: kitaman
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On November 23 2012 06:39 marvellosity wrote:
you've talked to me plenty enough that you should be, dear ^^
not everything you want to share with Keirathi is so easily communicable
(see keirathi there you go)
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On November 23 2012 06:55 Z-BosoN wrote:
Strong town read on marv? Really? If marv hadn't told be beforehand he wasn't gonna take this game seriously, I would have gone with scum read on marv. He spends a ton of time arguing with cave fellow for no reason at all, the guy is and has been a lost cause since he began posting. He's not nearly as active and as involved as his other games. He's not willing to run for party. I've reread his filter and there is nooooo way you can get a town read on marv that fast, with that kind of bad reasoning. Someone else had a town fast, with zero reasoning. Especially SNB, who's played with him a ton of times.
SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game, in terms of low activity and post coutn, but I haven't played with him much. Marv, do you have any meta read on him?
lol
nice case bro
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On November 23 2012 06:58 marvellosity wrote:
i wouldn't mind hearing from him why he thinks i'm town, though.
aww you're no fun
anyway mostly it's, like, meta-meta
On November 22 2012 08:22 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 04:44 Toadesstern wrote:
Hey S&B what's your take on how Marv's acting so far? oh also I forgot to answer this I liked his takedown of cave johnson I also think marv is way more egotistical as scum than he is as town, it's something about the "bwahahaha fools i'll kill you all" mentality. so the fact that he's not running for king of daventry makes me think he's probably town. Why do you ask about marv specifically? why ask me?
it's not like i think i can read your "posting style" or whatever. it's more like, behavioral psychology I guess?
tbh i can't see "scum marv" not running for party leader on day 1 unless he was teammates with Ace
but i can easily see "town marv" not running for party leader day 1 in a town with syllo or sandro, especially if he had a town read on them
so yeah I could be wrong but I doubt it very much.
(also: toad you never answered me, why'd you ask me about marv spcifically?)
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On November 23 2012 07:25 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:15 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 23 2012 07:05 Keirathi wrote:On November 23 2012 06:55 Z-BosoN wrote:
Strong town read on marv? Really? If marv hadn't told be beforehand he wasn't gonna take this game seriously, I would have gone with scum read on marv. He spends a ton of time arguing with cave fellow for no reason at all, the guy is and has been a lost cause since he began posting. He's not nearly as active and as involved as his other games. He's not willing to run for party. I've reread his filter and there is nooooo way you can get a town read on marv that fast, with that kind of bad reasoning. Someone else had a town fast, with zero reasoning. Especially SNB, who's played with him a ton of times.
SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game, in terms of low activity and post coutn, but I haven't played with him much. Marv, do you have any meta read on him?
S&B quoted this with a silly response, but it really doesn't make a lot of sense. You spent a lot of words to say you don't have a town read on marv, then in the same breath ask marv for his meta read of S&B. If marv is, in fact, not town while S&B is, don't you think he would theoretically try to strengthen your scum read on S&B via answering your question? On this game I can tell SnB's filter looks more like the last game we played with and he was town (which I got right, thanks) than in his scum games, and marv wouldn't have been crazy enough to give SnB a scum read here, from either faction. Not sure I understand your issue, do you not interact with people you are suspicious of? What do you think of snb? Do you agree that adam looks like new scum trying to blend in? I'm not sure what to think about S&B. He's mostly been trolling again. His huge town read on marv is pretty silly, imo, which you agree with. Other than that, he hasn't really said much of substance. Mostly null. Adam I'm a little biased towards I think. He came in with a meta-based town read on me, which while not necessarily a strong reason for me being one alignment or the other (since I'm pretty self-aware of my own meta), it seems weird for a scum Adam to pick me of all people to give that kind of town read to. I'm not exactly a stellar player, nor likely to influence much of day 1. Seems like scum Adam, knowing what vets were town, would have been better off backing them rather than me. Slightly green shaded null, I guess.
keir do you honestly think i'm "trolling" this game?
like, am i being anything comparable to last game? Cause I don't want last game to go down again
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On November 23 2012 07:31 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:30 strongandbig wrote:On November 23 2012 07:25 Keirathi wrote:On November 23 2012 07:15 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 23 2012 07:05 Keirathi wrote:On November 23 2012 06:55 Z-BosoN wrote:
Strong town read on marv? Really? If marv hadn't told be beforehand he wasn't gonna take this game seriously, I would have gone with scum read on marv. He spends a ton of time arguing with cave fellow for no reason at all, the guy is and has been a lost cause since he began posting. He's not nearly as active and as involved as his other games. He's not willing to run for party. I've reread his filter and there is nooooo way you can get a town read on marv that fast, with that kind of bad reasoning. Someone else had a town fast, with zero reasoning. Especially SNB, who's played with him a ton of times.
SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game, in terms of low activity and post coutn, but I haven't played with him much. Marv, do you have any meta read on him?
S&B quoted this with a silly response, but it really doesn't make a lot of sense. You spent a lot of words to say you don't have a town read on marv, then in the same breath ask marv for his meta read of S&B. If marv is, in fact, not town while S&B is, don't you think he would theoretically try to strengthen your scum read on S&B via answering your question? On this game I can tell SnB's filter looks more like the last game we played with and he was town (which I got right, thanks) than in his scum games, and marv wouldn't have been crazy enough to give SnB a scum read here, from either faction. Not sure I understand your issue, do you not interact with people you are suspicious of? What do you think of snb? Do you agree that adam looks like new scum trying to blend in? I'm not sure what to think about S&B. He's mostly been trolling again. His huge town read on marv is pretty silly, imo, which you agree with. Other than that, he hasn't really said much of substance. Mostly null. Adam I'm a little biased towards I think. He came in with a meta-based town read on me, which while not necessarily a strong reason for me being one alignment or the other (since I'm pretty self-aware of my own meta), it seems weird for a scum Adam to pick me of all people to give that kind of town read to. I'm not exactly a stellar player, nor likely to influence much of day 1. Seems like scum Adam, knowing what vets were town, would have been better off backing them rather than me. Slightly green shaded null, I guess. keir do you honestly think i'm "trolling" this game? like, am i being anything comparable to last game? Cause I don't want last game to go down again Maybe trolling is the wrong word. Not-caring is more appropriate, but yes.
T_T
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Hey thread I'm at the airport
Flying to visit my old college roommate in Britain
I'll post as much as I can but idk how consistent wifi ill have
Plz not to kill me like last time I went on vacation - that's the only time I've ever been mostly chef an I'd rather not repeat it
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Mislay niches
And I'll be back on monday
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