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On November 21 2012 20:52 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 16:55 Djodref wrote:I would like you to vote for me !I don't know if I'm going to get the answers from my latest questions to the hosts but I know believe that the best way for the party leader to chose his party members is to do it in complete secrecy. The next day, I would reveal the members if the event resolves in a failure and I would not reveal them if the event resolves in a success. I'm going to base my election campaign on this plan. In a battle of information, you should give the least possible clues to your enemy. Of course, it would mean that you have to totally trust me on this one. Trust me on the fact that I'm town and trust me on my reads ! I'm ok if people would rather townhunt than scumhunt but I think I'll spend the rest of my day scum hunting rather than town hunting and of course promoting my own election ! I'm totally open to discuss the validity of my plan and if anyone has some ideas to contribute to it  ##Vote: Djodref
Djodref for party leader ! Trust me, I'm town and I have good intuition. I'll take my responsibilities in case of failure, I'll keep the info outside of mafia reach in case of success ! I'll give you everything in due time and I'm promoting traditional scum hunting for day ! What if you get shot? What if the party succeeds and you get shot before you tell us who was on it? Party leader and formation (and the team's subsequent success or failure) seems to be our ONLY source of town-controlled information this game. If you die before you can give this info to town, we lose that information. Seems like a heavy price to pay and a giant target on your head. Also, I somewhat expect the game will reveal the party members. Without that, the mechanics would give us very very little modconfirmed information, which seems unbalanced (although if there is enough KP flying around we probably have flips, etc).
Well, obviously, being the only visible target, I'm counting on a doc or a protective role to keep me alive for the night.
I'm not sure if the party is going to be revealed or not the day after but I don't see any way for us to be sure if the party leader is going to respect his word concerning his choice for the party members.
I would like to get some answers from the hosts before speculating too much on his though.
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On November 21 2012 21:12 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 21:02 Djodref wrote:On November 21 2012 20:52 Acrofales wrote:On November 21 2012 16:55 Djodref wrote:I would like you to vote for me !I don't know if I'm going to get the answers from my latest questions to the hosts but I know believe that the best way for the party leader to chose his party members is to do it in complete secrecy. The next day, I would reveal the members if the event resolves in a failure and I would not reveal them if the event resolves in a success. I'm going to base my election campaign on this plan. In a battle of information, you should give the least possible clues to your enemy. Of course, it would mean that you have to totally trust me on this one. Trust me on the fact that I'm town and trust me on my reads ! I'm ok if people would rather townhunt than scumhunt but I think I'll spend the rest of my day scum hunting rather than town hunting and of course promoting my own election ! I'm totally open to discuss the validity of my plan and if anyone has some ideas to contribute to it ##Vote: Djodref
Djodref for party leader ! Trust me, I'm town and I have good intuition. I'll take my responsibilities in case of failure, I'll keep the info outside of mafia reach in case of success ! I'll give you everything in due time and I'm promoting traditional scum hunting for day ! What if you get shot? What if the party succeeds and you get shot before you tell us who was on it? Party leader and formation (and the team's subsequent success or failure) seems to be our ONLY source of town-controlled information this game. If you die before you can give this info to town, we lose that information. Seems like a heavy price to pay and a giant target on your head. Also, I somewhat expect the game will reveal the party members. Without that, the mechanics would give us very very little modconfirmed information, which seems unbalanced (although if there is enough KP flying around we probably have flips, etc). Well, obviously, being the only visible target, I'm counting on a doc or a protective role to keep me alive for the night. I'm not sure if the party is going to be revealed or not the day after but I don't see any way for us to be sure if the party leader is going to respect his word concerning his choice for the party members. I would like to get some answers from the hosts before speculating too much on his though. Party revealed or not, there is no way any of us can know that the person we are picking is going to stick to their word and select the team they indicate. The best you can do is put your vote on someone whom you find most likely to do as they say, and who will be transparent about why they are taking the people they are taking.
@ Adam
I absolutely want to have a town player as the party leader. That's why I proposed myself for the job. But I think it could be a valid strategy to not reveal the other party members before the resolution of the event. Town cannnot know for sure who you are going to pick anyway and you don't give extra info to the mafia. What do you think ?
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On November 21 2012 21:23 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 21:12 Adam4167 wrote:On November 21 2012 21:02 Djodref wrote:On November 21 2012 20:52 Acrofales wrote:On November 21 2012 16:55 Djodref wrote:I would like you to vote for me !I don't know if I'm going to get the answers from my latest questions to the hosts but I know believe that the best way for the party leader to chose his party members is to do it in complete secrecy. The next day, I would reveal the members if the event resolves in a failure and I would not reveal them if the event resolves in a success. I'm going to base my election campaign on this plan. In a battle of information, you should give the least possible clues to your enemy. Of course, it would mean that you have to totally trust me on this one. Trust me on the fact that I'm town and trust me on my reads ! I'm ok if people would rather townhunt than scumhunt but I think I'll spend the rest of my day scum hunting rather than town hunting and of course promoting my own election ! I'm totally open to discuss the validity of my plan and if anyone has some ideas to contribute to it ##Vote: Djodref
Djodref for party leader ! Trust me, I'm town and I have good intuition. I'll take my responsibilities in case of failure, I'll keep the info outside of mafia reach in case of success ! I'll give you everything in due time and I'm promoting traditional scum hunting for day ! What if you get shot? What if the party succeeds and you get shot before you tell us who was on it? Party leader and formation (and the team's subsequent success or failure) seems to be our ONLY source of town-controlled information this game. If you die before you can give this info to town, we lose that information. Seems like a heavy price to pay and a giant target on your head. Also, I somewhat expect the game will reveal the party members. Without that, the mechanics would give us very very little modconfirmed information, which seems unbalanced (although if there is enough KP flying around we probably have flips, etc). Well, obviously, being the only visible target, I'm counting on a doc or a protective role to keep me alive for the night. I'm not sure if the party is going to be revealed or not the day after but I don't see any way for us to be sure if the party leader is going to respect his word concerning his choice for the party members. I would like to get some answers from the hosts before speculating too much on his though. Party revealed or not, there is no way any of us can know that the person we are picking is going to stick to their word and select the team they indicate. The best you can do is put your vote on someone whom you find most likely to do as they say, and who will be transparent about why they are taking the people they are taking. The easiest way to get yourself (mis)lynched (or shot by a blue or whatever this games equivalent will be) is to say one thing as party leader and do the other. The question becomes if it's worth it for scum to sacrifice a mafia member to make town fail a mission, and this all depends on the length of the game, which we know nothing about. I think for now it's safe to assume that it is not, until we get information that says otherwise. I think there's no reason for a candidate to withhold who they will choose for their party though, Djo. As pointed out this is the only information that town has reasonable control over. Transparency is key for any candidate, and lack thereof should be viewed as inherently scummy or misguided.
@ Clarity
I don't think that town has really control of the formation of the party members. The only thing that we control is who is going to be our party leader. I could be elected, stating that my party members are going to be players X,Y and Z, but then send a PM to the hosts during the night action resolution that I'm going to constitute a party of A,B and C. I'm not sure if we can control or at least check this or not. Maybe the following day, maybe not.
A mafia player would certainly lie about who is really going to constitute his party but not a town member. If I get elected, I'm going to retain the information of the party members for at least one day, to be sure to keep the mafia in the dark.
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On November 21 2012 21:35 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 21:32 Djodref wrote:On November 21 2012 21:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 21 2012 21:12 Adam4167 wrote:On November 21 2012 21:02 Djodref wrote:On November 21 2012 20:52 Acrofales wrote:On November 21 2012 16:55 Djodref wrote:I would like you to vote for me !I don't know if I'm going to get the answers from my latest questions to the hosts but I know believe that the best way for the party leader to chose his party members is to do it in complete secrecy. The next day, I would reveal the members if the event resolves in a failure and I would not reveal them if the event resolves in a success. I'm going to base my election campaign on this plan. In a battle of information, you should give the least possible clues to your enemy. Of course, it would mean that you have to totally trust me on this one. Trust me on the fact that I'm town and trust me on my reads ! I'm ok if people would rather townhunt than scumhunt but I think I'll spend the rest of my day scum hunting rather than town hunting and of course promoting my own election ! I'm totally open to discuss the validity of my plan and if anyone has some ideas to contribute to it ##Vote: Djodref
Djodref for party leader ! Trust me, I'm town and I have good intuition. I'll take my responsibilities in case of failure, I'll keep the info outside of mafia reach in case of success ! I'll give you everything in due time and I'm promoting traditional scum hunting for day ! What if you get shot? What if the party succeeds and you get shot before you tell us who was on it? Party leader and formation (and the team's subsequent success or failure) seems to be our ONLY source of town-controlled information this game. If you die before you can give this info to town, we lose that information. Seems like a heavy price to pay and a giant target on your head. Also, I somewhat expect the game will reveal the party members. Without that, the mechanics would give us very very little modconfirmed information, which seems unbalanced (although if there is enough KP flying around we probably have flips, etc). Well, obviously, being the only visible target, I'm counting on a doc or a protective role to keep me alive for the night. I'm not sure if the party is going to be revealed or not the day after but I don't see any way for us to be sure if the party leader is going to respect his word concerning his choice for the party members. I would like to get some answers from the hosts before speculating too much on his though. Party revealed or not, there is no way any of us can know that the person we are picking is going to stick to their word and select the team they indicate. The best you can do is put your vote on someone whom you find most likely to do as they say, and who will be transparent about why they are taking the people they are taking. The easiest way to get yourself (mis)lynched (or shot by a blue or whatever this games equivalent will be) is to say one thing as party leader and do the other. The question becomes if it's worth it for scum to sacrifice a mafia member to make town fail a mission, and this all depends on the length of the game, which we know nothing about. I think for now it's safe to assume that it is not, until we get information that says otherwise. I think there's no reason for a candidate to withhold who they will choose for their party though, Djo. As pointed out this is the only information that town has reasonable control over. Transparency is key for any candidate, and lack thereof should be viewed as inherently scummy or misguided. @ ClarityI don't think that town has really control of the formation of the party members. The only thing that we control is who is going to be our party leader. I could be elected, stating that my party members are going to be players X,Y and Z, but then send a PM to the hosts during the night action resolution that I'm going to constitute a party of A,B and C. I'm not sure if we can control or at least check this or not. Maybe the following day, maybe not. A mafia player would certainly lie about who is really going to constitute his party but not a town member. If I get elected, I'm going to retain the information of the party members for at least one day, to be sure to keep the mafia in the dark. I've been under the assumption that once the mission happens the day/night post will say who the party consisted of and what the result was, do you think that is not the case? Because if it is the case then it would be a death sentence to lie to everyone and do something you didn't say you would. That leads me back to the "Is it worth it for a scum to sacrifice himself in order to make town fail a mission". The answer to that, for me so far, is no.
Let's wait from the answers from the hosts, ok ?
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Mmm, yeah, transparency from the beginning is better in that case :0
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On November 21 2012 22:18 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 22:17 Djodref wrote:
Mmm, yeah, transparency from the beginning is better in that case :0
So do you still feel you are the man for the job?
In fact, I think it would maybe a good occasion to withdraw my candidature because I'm playing two games right now and I didn't expect it to be so difficult. Hopefully, I'm going to focus on this game only very soon. I don't have all the time I should need to be a party leader today but I'll would be present in the thread.
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On November 21 2012 22:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why did you work under the assumption that party members chosen would not be disclosed. Seems rather counter-intuitive to me.
I didn't imagine it like this at the beginning as well but then I've realized that we didn't have any real control of who were really going to be the party members. So I wanted to know if we were really going to know them for sure at one point.
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On November 21 2012 22:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
I understand wanting to make sure, who wouldn't, but before the mod shared that info you were working under the assumption that party members chosen would not be disclosed, right?
That's correct, that what I was thinking when I made my "secret plan" for my aborted campaign
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On November 21 2012 23:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
LOL why would you say that the case is good?
Marv, goodkarma, other people who were in this thread a moment ago.
I would like your opinons on this case?
I think that Clarity is looking like its usual townie self...
I thought that you were following the Mario game. Clarity was town in this game and his D1 play was just the same as it is right now. So, I would wait for him to produce more serious contributions before looking further on him.
Slight town read on him for the moment.
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On November 21 2012 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyone want to say how Clarity acts when he is scum? Djo/iamp/marv?
He makes lists...
On a serious note, he is less active and doesn't push his scumread by himself. He doesn't really take initiatives and just follows the flow of the thread
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On November 22 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 00:34 iamperfection wrote:
look at you guys with your contributing
gsl II bad one to use he replaced in and got expert coaching agreed, it's why i didn't link it
The one you linked, he gets caught pants down by DP at the beginning of D1, I think that my contribution was the best.
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On November 21 2012 22:47 Acrofales wrote:
I am disappointed that Djodref dropped out. I felt he was the only serious contestant for Sandro and I don't like it that Sandro is running uncontested. I have been vague about my own aspirations, because I feel the last time I was voted mayor I let the team down a bit. I felt like I should take a back seat on this election, but without a serious contestant for Sandro I am not sure anymore.
Why did you feel that I was a serious contestant for Sandro ?
I didn't recall anybody showing any interest in my secrecy approach nor anybody giving a town read on me, nor any vote for me. Could you tell me why you felt this way ?
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On November 22 2012 12:36 Dienosore wrote:
Cant believe you guys aren't even considering me for first party leader. Would it help if I made three towny reads and put them all under the scope with me? Fine. Give me a minute to whip something up.
Well, you had scumreads on GK and me, which clearly shows that you are unable to properly assess players alignment. So nobody is going to vote for you. No harm feelings by the way...
You should stop your campaign and focus your attention on something else. That would be my advice...
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So, I'm waking up and catching up with the thread, and it finishes with the latest post from GK to advertise his campaign.
And this is the most open, honest campaign post I have seen from a candidate so far. He encourages ourselves not to sheep, to think carefully of our choice.
This post and the previous posts of goodkarma made me leaning town on him. I think right now that he is the guy who we can have the best town read on among all our candidates and I'm going to vote for him to support his campaign, before he presents us the 4-guys ticket.
I want to show him and everybody else my trust and my support. I'm eager to see what ticket he is going to propose us.
##Unvote
##Vote: goodkarma
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Given the fact that Toad has just given up, I think it might be a good time for us to narrow the possible candidates to 3 or 4 serious candidates. Honestly, I don't want to see anybody with only one vote (being his own vote) in the vote count posts, this is not a constructive attitude.
Of course, I'm not expecting people to really follow my advice and to withdraw their candidatures, but I would say that it would be better to consider sandroba, syllo, goodkarma and maybe kita (maybe because I don't give a fuck about Thanksgiving) as our only serious candidates.
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Nooooooo
Kush was a kind of a day vig ?
town vig or scum vig ?
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On November 22 2012 13:28 kitaman27 wrote:My proposed party: Myself - You guys still have more than two options for leader Acrofales - Acro has been quite opinionated and appears to care about the outcome of the event. I like that he tries to open the game with a plan (even if his choices were premature) and he is attempting to direct discussion. Dienosore - I'd take a Frog over a Toad by my side any day. Ignoring the first few trollish posts, I find his posts sincere. Something that caught my attention was your instance that you be the party leader, which leads me to worry that your insistence to be elected may be role related. Would you be content as a member of the party, rather than the leader? Promethelax - Maybe the weakest preference of the four, but I'm usually pretty trusting of a player that is trying to come up with a way to use the setup to benefit the town. Even though I disagree with the idea, I like the effort. Of his remaining posts, nothing has jumped out to me as something to worry about. Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:01 Promethelax wrote:
I'm curious if putting one player who seems like a liability (one of the guys known for trolling or one of the smurfs) onto the team so that we can get a read on them from their actions makes sense? It seems like we won't have lynches but knowing who scum is/is not will help town players direct any and all actions which they have and i assume making sure that non-town players not being on the quest team will be a good thing for us as the OP specifies that they can make it more difficult to achieve our objectives. Of course these four selections are subject to change as the game goes on. Do I really not have any votes? 
@Kita
You are not going to get my vote. First of all, I don't know if you are town or not yet.
Moreover, I don't share your town read on Acro and I didn't look at Prom yet. In my opinion, Oats and Clarity are town and these reads are easier to get than yours. I like the idea that you are taking Dieno with you.
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@ Prome
What do you think of GK and his latest campaign post ?
What do you think of his ticket ?
What makes you think that Dieno and Acro are town ? Especially Acro please...
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